Hey y'all! Putting together this event called TheCounterparty.com Oct 17-20 in Miami. It's a play on words as I love XCP and want to give a stage to the protocol, but also to offer solutions for a more peaceful world, outide of voting because that's not so effective and it seems like that's all people do to change the world, talk about voting for 1.5 years every 4 years only to have more wars and printing money... IE Counter the political parties 🙂 Topics include security, gun safety, permaculture, homeschooling, Bitcoin, NFTs, Art, Music, mesh networks, survival stuff etc. I would also like to feature Counterparty artists and speakers so please DM if you would like to get involved, setting up media partnerships now along w finishing up bookings, but we have 20 speakers already :). I have a tentative commit from Shaban and Adam K as well ❤️

Welcome back

Hey guys someone on twitter is asking what are the minimum requirement to run counterparty node. I checked the doc but there is no info about that. Do you guys have an idea ?

I would suggest asking in this (larger) group as well:

https://t.me/Counterparty_Dev

@al_fernandz don’t do business with him he is a scammer

Nope. He is not a scammer.

this account been dropping rando @'s and calling em a scammer, I bet im gonna be next now

Ha ! Not a chance

dont do business with carsonated!

just kidding, do all the business with carsonated

He definitely is he associated with ufopepe who scammed jdog

Maybe you encountered a copycat account. There’s a lot of those.

I dunno, seems ok to me.

Jdog has confirmed in another channel that he has not been scammed. I'm left to assume you're a scammer and should be removed from this group. @krostue @jp_janssen

The real @carsonated
💯solid in my experience. What little there is. But I mean Joe and Mike that says it all !

@Muurish_fiducia_firm
Started a rare pepe trust account group where all things would be safe haha
Didn’t take 3 min then people
Trying to scam us haha
I left so ?!

Some xcpnakamoto ordinal he just tried to sell to me again haha
Now it’s nakamotoxcp haha 😂

Historically whoever has been involved in that collection is, if not a scammer, involved with them

This one

Apart of having a horrible and blasphem taste

Thats the one

This looks like the work of toawa

Also known as Michael rare

An infamous rare pepe villain

Crazy
Hmm the new card is here
1A5Q1raj1dzA4iiKxNLr6679nE7f3Hu1EK

Neo ?! Change his name ?

yeh drop the link

Follow the trial

https://tokenscan.io/tx/d17ae3cfa1b882668d04e43cd80e021b9461ad6bb01939e8131cc5c87fa508f9

Says who !!! How would you kno if you not already scamming people

I never tried to sell you nothing

@mikeinspace

We are on to you, dude. We keep track. We're always watching.

Ok wats your point

You're a scammer.

@mikeinspace it sounds like your a scammer you said jdog was unaware of any scams read the message

I’m not selling you anything

I’m not asking you for anything

We’re the scam at

I talked to the real JDOG. He said he was not scammed. I know Jdog personally, btw

I talk to him to

As you can see

I'll run these screenshots by him

Be my guest

Yeah your story makes no sense. Just talked with JDog and he said he booted you from a bunch of groups. Not sure what you’re trying to prove with this screenshot.

The proof is in the screenshot

And he kicked me out because he is not concerned with figuring out who is committing the fraudulent activity…

I would of did the same thing if I honestly didn’t give a fuk who was getting scammed

I’m glad you are watching maybe you will find the real fraud

Why you change your username?

Because I got scammed and it damaged that name plus I want my name to advertise my project

I know I have seen this art before I’ve been hunting to try and remember where ?! It was.

@uanbtc any thoughts on 10.4? I miss constructive dev conversations.

#forsale xchain asset

https://tokenscan.io/asset/QUEENARTCOIN.NAKAMOTOAPE

@codythecampbell thank you bro

Just doing what I said but this is a dev chat so you should get rid of all that crap eh

None

Thank you @ABlue0ne for asking. I have been analyzing this meta-protocol for a while now, and have concluded there is a BIG conflict between the perception and the truth of it all.

But this “truth” is a personal conclusion, not clearly evident unless a full explanation is included… So these ideas will be better served at a later time.

What I can say now is the following:

The Decentralizing CNTRPRTY project will not continue. It was an ideal, that even if it proved to be ESSENTIAL earlier this year, it is ultimately misaligned with the returning founders approach to protocol development.

Even if the overarching Decentralizing CNTRPRTY “branding” will be phased out, https://xcp.dev will continue, with the protocol as is. Not following Unspendable Labs (or any other) new feature activations path.

Xcpdev will not do much noise about this. This message is the announcement and you won’t hear anything different before the activations.

Xcpdev future plans will be shared eventually, days, weeks, or months after the Unspendable Labs block 866000 activations.

Also taking the opportunity to rename the chat and adjusting the group description. Finally, also removed all admins, except myself. (If you were an admin before and are interested in continuing even after this “group’s refocus”, let me know.)

I'm a little confused why you wouldn't just create a new group and invite people? Presumably people didn't join this group so you could have a platform to promote your fork of Counterparty. The group isn't 'refocusing', you're just unilaterally deciding to commandeer it for your own purpose, to the the point of removing all other admins. Is that how "community" works?

Who are you, what is your interest in Counterparty, and when did you join this group?

(I open the door and point you to it)

Community!!

Very clear and well typed
Xcpdev has always been such a solid go to. !!
can’t wait !

Stopped being a community driven project when it became centralized under the current core devs. Nice trying to gaslight Juan. Was it Juan who deleted forums and CIP repos that were around for 9 years? Was it Juan who removed other devs from the core dev team and blocked on GitHub? Was it Juan who deleted comments from GitHub issues and pull requests which questioned the core devs? Was it Juan who gaslight other devs n called them toxic n made personal attacks like “ppl who’s daddies didn’t love them enough?”

Community? More like a dictatorship with a few parrots hoping their bags pump🤷🏻‍♂️

Right, when you were in charge, there was community. Now that you’re not, it’s a dictatorship. I follow!

Seriously, I encourage you to join the linux mailing list if you think that lead maintainers having standards, vision, and not always being that nice to people who repeatedly troll them with issues they already addressed is unusual.

i’ll find you a good link, one second

https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2401.3/04208.html

This is someone who even submitted a patch, rather than just spamming the github board with the same “issue” multiple times, which in your case is, “I disagree, things should never change in any real way.” Very few people other than you want Evan, Adam, and the other developers wasting their time spinning their wheels responding to your low effort comments. As Juan knows and has said he will do, he can just fork the network and run the old version of Counterparty. It might not have all the users, it might not ever get any more updates or bug fixes, but gosh darn it, it has xcp.dev! And that’s what is important. Because that is real community

And just for anyone else here, if I suddenly disappear from this group it’s because I was banned, not because I left. Just want the record straight before the “community” vengeance bans me

lol. Been on the Linux list since the 90s, as well as many others, but thx for trying to “educate me”😂

Btw, welcome to CP, you’ve been here less than a year n already making so many friends with ur great know it all attitude. How about u STFU n build.

Those who can, do. Those who can’t prefer to talk🤷🏻‍♂️

I am employed by a company who makes generous claims to my time and they did not approve me contributing, so I do what I can. I test and I run a node. You don’t know who I am or how long I’ve been involved. those who can’t be gainfully employed as software engineers make wallets with opt-out donation buttons! What’s your excuse for not contributing?

What, now that you’re not accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations to break the network, you don’t contribute?

lol. Not contributing? I contribute to projects I believe in. As I did for 8 years before I accepted a dime. But keep talking like u know wtf you’re talking about. My time is better spent focusing back on building. Byeeee 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

Sounds good! enjoy

I’m a lover of xcp dev use it all time I mean haven’t been around threw all the “conflict” I see
But all that aside it’s the only clear source I can find to explore the history and info all built on here.
Truly a gem of historical nature that has to be preserved. And maintained.

I am glad it’s been useful to you! Unless something changes, it sounds like it will be run on a forked network (one that is not in consensus with the main network under development) so the information presented there can and will conflict/differ with the information on the main chain after the changes in 10.4 go into effect in under a month.

Unfortunately forking the network is a pretty drastic move that is damaging for everyone, but if Juan and Jeremy feel it is necessary, obviously that is how they will proceed.

Has anyone defined the rug potential here having multiple forks? Wherein someone could create and sell assets on one fork where a sale won’t happen on the other? The big thing for me would be the btc send to dispensers where you could just send btc to a dispenser from any address that would be invalid in 10.4 (as it now requires a cp formatted send) but the dispense would be accepted on prior versions. So a user would still have the asset on 10.4 and then get to sell it again there. Sounds like some gains could be had with assets duplicated in both forks.

That is exactly what a fork is, which is why it’s a huge deal

There is a mandatory upgrade. Juan and Jeremy have said they won’t be upgrading because of their principles, which means any nodes they operate will no longer be in consensus. So we all need to be very careful going forward.

Your in software dev supposedly bro. So you should know that the fork is the new version, not the old version🤷🏻‍♂️😂 But nice job trying to paint it as we are the ones making changes and forking the network 😂😂

You can spin it however you’d like.

I have not clarified anything about my intentions of what version I will run since the 10.4 release. Simply that a snapshot would be taken for future use in a separate platform. Don’t sssume u know my intentions 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

No spin, the new changes are always the fork🤷🏻‍♂️

@uanbtc pls enable memes/gifs here. Makes conversations more fun

<blah blah blah sock on hand gif> @vectorconfetti lol

Sick burn, Jeremy.

Oh shit

Socks conversation? 😁

who am I a sock for? people are really out here trying to dox me so hard and i don’t get it

Am I the only one that doesn't have those

Me neither fren

Jeremy has a few socks, one is Brr guy, one is chief samayza, and one is jdog

This is the only account I am operating in these forums.

I have also used this same handle to file github issues

Eh, you arrive at the same time as core devs return, parrot everything they say, and refuse to contribute anything but nasty attitude🤷🏻‍♂️

If you had been around for more than a few months you would know there was a true community vibe for many years, which was killed with the dictator moves of the devs🤷🏻‍♂️

Prolly best to just stfu… ur new, don’t know the history, and contribute nothing but attitude😂

Agree to disagree Jeremy. Be well.

Can we have some kind of consensus on this upgrade to avoid forks? I'm assuming the most controversial changes are the dispenses and maybe the gas fee model?

Am I missing something else?

Not worth my time to be in here from my jdog account🤷🏻‍♂️ I’ve removed myself from cp channels, n only spoke up here cuz of your gaslighting of Juan👍🏻

Devs could easily support both normal btc dispenses AND the new dispense, as they had planned to, but they opted to not do that. It’s their way or the highway🤷🏻‍♂️

I was wondering if that was an option yet

Probably out of my pay grade and only ten percent my business.But I would wager the sand is out of the hour glass on any of that

All new changes are backwards compatible in the api. All you need to do is upgrade your node.

It was… then they went full nuclear n said their new method was the only way forward…. Breaking how ppl have used dispensers for years.

Anyway, not arguing for them to make changes, only spoke up to defend Juan…. It is what it is now🤷🏻‍♂️

Enjoy having to do 3+ txs too open a dispenser n 3tx to close n return funds instead of the ONE tx it is with 9.61.3😂

This is the important thing that should be clear to everyone. We are at the inflection point of the last 8 months or whatever of arguments. Not participating in a mandatory upgrade means the network will fork. It seems to me personally that people are really excited about all the changes 10.4 is bringing, and I personally believe that those who wish to stay in the past will ultimately get left behind and fade into irrelevancy. But it’s important we all understand what is happening.

Again just to be clear, this is incorrect. Please do not spread misinformation. I will say it again: all changes are backwards compatible in the api.

also this lol. There’s no work entailed in upgrading, it’s three commands. This is coming down to Juan and Jeremy’s principles, which remain super vague to me

Oh? So the api wasn’t migrated to a /v1/ url? U can still open dispensers from origin address to safe funds? Nope.

I said many times they could add functionality without breaking what already worked, they chose this path…. 🤷🏻‍♂️

V1 still works.

At a different endpoint, ie NOT backwards compatible. Used to be able to just do a post to a server, now it’s a custom url, which will be depreciated soon. As I said, it’s the new devs way only, no room for compromise🤷🏻‍♂️

Anyway, back to work on xchain platform. L8r g8r.

Compromise == making v1 available at v1. Sorry for everyone that had add 3 characters to a URL.
Compromise is not never making v2

This is from the release notes. What custom URL are you talking about?

Seeking compromise and seeking compliance are 2 different things.

They dress similar so people often confuse them from a distance

Nothing has been “full nuclear”, the only required change has been to add v1 to a url. As a compromise, _all other changes have been totally backwards compatible_. There is zero compliance required. I know everyone loves this drama but please do not spread full-on lies about upcoming changes.

Versioning APIs is very normal.

Correct

Done

Hello i want to discuss research file here only for education purpose.. is it possible to put it here ?

It's PDF file

Woow that could interesting 🧐

potentially doubled the value of our bags 🙂 this will cause divergence in xcp balances as well between the two forks which will be interesting if you have more XCP on one fork. Sell it all there it would be invalid on the other so you keep your xcp to sell twice !

infinite forks, infinite money! why didn’t anyone think of this before?

so we had a panic about a fork and now we are talking about having a fork?

is this making sense to anyone else?

tryna steal a dinghy when they could jump ship

Just flowing with it I guess

Forks are a Bad Thing long term for the network. I am joking about the infinite money hack.

is the goal to make counterparty classic?

how did that work out for those ethereum folks?

The jacked up thing is that both forks see some trx on the other. Be better if one fork changed prefixes on the trx at least CNTRPRTYv1 kind of why we changes the prefix to STAMP instead of using CNTRPRTY for src-20 but they are pretty similar otherwise

Like a half ass fork

Yeah.

Share English - Blockchain Vulnerabilities - AFTR.pdf

I also don’t know why someone would choose to use a network whose stated value add is that it will not receive any updates or patches, ever.

Hello all , i want to discuss this .. is this research practically can be done in Blockchain network? Or it's just a theory?

Guess the new version (the fork) should change their prefix or add some replay protection? 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

Again, assuming

I have not clarified anything about my intentions of what version I will run since the 10.4 release. Simply that a snapshot would be taken for future use in a separate platform. Don’t sssume u know my intentions 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

I’m talking about what Juan said at the top of the discussion.

what if we have multiforks

XCP 2025 = BTC 2017

we should all fork counterparty

I will rename mine cabinetparty

who is taking shelfparty?

We got stampparty

windowparty only runs on iOS

I claim stopparty 😂

partysover

I am going to fork counterparty by taking a snapshot, editing the snapshot to make my own history that makes me the owner of all the XCP, and then since I am the only one running a node of my fork, everyone on my network will trust my snapshot. Literally can’t go tits up

CounterCounterParty?

Diddyparty

contraryparty

Better to make it look like everyone still has xcp but make it so the only one can sell is you

Now we are cooking

Some wizardry is afoot

Maybe a goat wizard !!

I was like wooow

i dont think this matters, messages in txs are either valid or not

as far as forks not upgrading to 10.4, pretty much any use of dispensers will risk a “separation” of assets between the forks

you can separate assets yourself by opening a dispenser on a different address, send your v10.4 asset that didnt see a valid open dispenser message to another address, then close the dispenser back to origin

if the open dispenser message is unchanged then if you buy any dispenser from v9.61 you’ll only get v9.61 assets, but if you buy from v10.4 then you’ll get both v10.4 and v9.61 assets

unless that dispenser was opened to a different address

so that would be the way to mitigate when opening a dispenser on v9.61

Unless you just send btc like dispensers have for years, since on 10.4 dispenses are a cp action n not a normal btc send 🤷🏻‍♂️

yes exactly, that would only trigger the v9.61 dispenser

So then are the multi dispensers that are set up still going to work as is ?

Yes but you’ll need to buy from them with a v10.4 wallet if you want both v10.4 and v9.61 assets

Okay and by 10.4 assets does that mean only new issues after v10.4 ?

Or just that they will reside in two spots basically

I guess I lll figure that out and start small lol 😂

which is quite logical for a CP action. Current dispensers are just broken

If I have a bunch of existing dispensers knocking around do I need to do anything like recall the assets from dispensing if I want things to be smooth and not have to switch between wallet versions, or is that just a non-concern?

You’ll still be able to close them via the origin address after the update, just won’t be able to open new ones on a remote address, the new flow is to open dispensers on your existing address since the additional required message can specify which dispenser to trigger

You can/(could) close a dispenser from the origin address? Noice never knew that.

Is it possible that new UI could (not saying they should but) toggle switch between these old and new formats? Or is this baked in the ‘node’/server versioning

Also thanks for clarity - feelin safu

Oooooooh by existing address you mean like muh parent address [0] that most use as their main….. that is dope.

When dispenser were new it wasn’t clear to me that the new addy to use for dispensing should
Just be an addy off your main key…. So I got a bunch of old stuff that is all behind its own keys so I sometimes think about main and dispenser addys differently

And what about having 15 dispensers on main addy there’s no problem having unwanted sends ?

I could see Les’s dust kicken around that way eh ?!

Yup, close by origin is something Javier n I added to reduce tx fees n make managing dispensers easier. Yet another feature going away… the ability to open a dispenser using one tx to move funds to new address. Now we back to 3 txs to open n similar to close (send token to new address, send BTC to new address, open dispenser tx. Same to close, close dispenser tx, send to get assets back, send BTC to return BTC ) dispensers back to costing multiple txs n more funds to manage.

Also losing the on-ramp that introduced many ppl to CP, being able to buy from a dispenser from any BTC wallet.

#progress 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

But if I understand now correctly there is no need for this 3 tx with this model, as you don't need to create a new address for dispenser so one to open it and one to close it

The last part yes, not possible to trigger dispenser for any wallet (that's the part I don't like)

If you want to sell everything from one address n risk multiple dispenses, just like now with multiple dispensers on same address

Off to yoga, enjoy ur new platform🤷🏻‍♂️

This is also just plain inaccurate. You can open a dispenser in one tx on an address that has btc.

This is also incorrect.

lol… how does the btc get to the new address? Oh…. A send of btc… how do the assets get to the new address? Oh, an asset send

No you need to specify the dispenser to trigger on the new model, so you won't have that problem anymore

You dont need a new address anymore bc you can no longer accidentally trigger a dispense by sending btc to an address on a non counterparty wallet. You can just use an address that has btc.

Correct

Oh fun in here today man and I have to go work irl lol 😂

Having multiple address to be able to have multiple dispenser is an adaptation to a protocol problem

However, if you want to open a dispenser at an address w no btc, you can send btc along with your counterparty asset. Just like any other transaction.

Btc is being treated as any other asset fun
Always wondered why I couldn’t just send it to another wallet in same seed without fees now we can ?!

So… not just 1 tx to open dispenser on a new address like it is now…. Got it😂

On the other hand, you can no longer accidentally dispense your assets to an exchange…

You also don’t need to create a new address 🙄 ser if you don’t understand the changes, don’t speak about them.

I felt in this jajajajajja

lost 8 of my own fake rares like this

6 of my first stamps too

Oooof that sucks

😁😁 good learning

Welp, you won’t have to worry about that anymore!

The hard way

let's wait a few weeks before saying this xD

I don't want to do a mistake yet

this was a realllllllly annoying "feature"

https://tokenscan.io/address/3MXrjsZ2Yj4uAwzAkzrUPtghmcABJUNDQy

8 MISSPEPEPUNK (out of 100) that will never have a owner :'(

So solve a minor education issue which barely happened and which made people get educated about how counterparty works, and replaced that problem by making anyone who wants to open a dispenser on a new address require paying three Bitcoin transaction fee fees instead of one. Makes total sense.😂😂

enough engaging in here for the day…. The mental hurdles being jumped through to justify these changes are laughable🤷🏻‍♂️😂

this is not how Counterparty works, this is the problem.

This is again just not true. You’re just lying lol I don’t know what to say to this

It just SHOULDN'T happens

For me it's a protocol failure

just like losing all your Ordinals by sending some Bitcoins

💯

this is not something that you should educate about

I always considered Ordinals a bad protocol because of this

My understanding is that you can already open a dispenser from the source address. From v10.4 on, that is the only way. So is really a feature taken away.

I’m not sure if you need to specify the dispenser to trigger in v10.4. I thought it was just a simple dispense type message, a case of less is more. If that was changed to having to specify the dispensers to trigger, that is also a usability downgrade.

The accidental dispense problem being fixed is the main positive of the changes in my view. Which could have also being solved by having CNTRPRTY in the opreturn in cleartext so that users that use non-counterparty wallets could continue doing it with minimal impact.

So sorry that the people who are putting in all the work get to make the final decisions after conversing and considering for 8 months!! and that you can’t scream at them enough from your computer screen next to your bong to make them do what you want. Who here is actually even a “dev”??

I know you’re confused but it is actually you guys are who seeking compliance, which is crazy because you’re doing jack shit.

@vectorconfetti

Individuals in this room agree to respectfully discuss CNTRPRTY (and similar) data written in Bitcoin. All participants should each represent what they believe to be ethically and technically responsible actions.

You can go ahead and fork the network and fork the code and develop all these awesome ideas you have.

I never agreed to discuss that?

Please be rescpectful

Jeremy told me yesterday to stfu, did you confront him in a side channel or is the respect talk just for people who disagree with you?

I can go ahead and bump all the messages where Jeremy was antagonizing me, I have a few minutes

Bump!

Bump!

Bump!

So what’s next Juan?

I can avoid cursing in the future since it seems like that was what set you off - substitute jack sh*t for “nothing”

Probably should update the room rules if it’s a curse-free zone.

This will be possible in Counterparty 2.0, fyi. That is the UTXO balances

U forgot this one triggered boy

I wasn’t triggered by you, I know you are depressed and have a really sad life. So i have grace for you. Mostly just wanted to make sure @uanbtc treated us all fairly, but that also seems to be a low priority.

lol. U funny bro, my life is great! I’m working on projects I believe in n have many friends both online and irl. Yet another thing ur assuming🤷🏻‍♂️

Be well anon sock super programmer boy 😂

It’s really funny you have a hard time believing I am a software engineer. It’s not that unusual?

But happy for your that your life is great and you have so many friends!

I believe as you were saying earlier and accusing Juan and I of contributing shit (just run wallets n apis n explorers n projects)….. haven’t seen any real contributions from you. Just lots of talk about how your super programmer, in high demand, so prevented from contributing…. And of course, parroting everything the core devs say and support.🤷🏻‍♂️

For being such a in demand programmer, you sure have a lot of free time to shit post and troll 😂

Now off the beach to meditate, then back to coding on xchain-indexer.

Have a blessed day 😜

I mean if you choose to do "Ordinals-like" transactions you are aware of the risks, but this isn't the default use of Counterparty

It's kinda like using emblems

Can you check dm please

Wait.. was that for me... cause that could be fun

Might be a good reason for recall token feature.

I see why you’re confused, this is new group.

because Juan renamed it?

I enjoyed the positive conversation sans memes; personally multimedia sharing would be nice but the memes are distracting and get out of hand.

I’ll gladly carry a ban hammer again if you don’t want to monitor this chat.

Lovin it

Read your history

Added you back as admin. Let me know if you can control the media. I agree it can become too much quickly and it might be better to limit it…