Afaik, parsers assume cbor. If cbor fails then try legacy.

Not super elegant imo, could have just had different id and not deal with trial and error. Like it always had

What would cbor be desirable ?

Cbor is less efficient (higher tx fee), incompatible with existing wallets and adds complexity (dependent on cbor library).

I tried to dig into github to find the rationale. Cbor is necessary to make counterparty compatible with ordinals.

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/pull/3133

This is the only mention of cbor prior to TOOFUNNYPEPE

Awesomeness !! I like the prior to TOOFUNNYPEPE
as a reference lol priceless haha

Oh well then I’m not crazy I couldn’t see the advantage ? And to top it off it’s human read proof lol
So that’s no fun

So you all know
There are 2
TOOFUNNYPEPE
CARDS on a dispenser !
The only ones ever going no. One ever !
KEK=LOL

If modern inscriptions use cbor (I’m almost sure the first ones didn’t), i still don’t see it having any relation to counterparty using it for other encodings…

So it’s a less efficient encoding? That’s lame

Fuck Ordinals why do we need compatability with that

Excuse my French sorry

That was not aimed at you JPJ sorry I just got outta bed

No worries, i don't like ordinal compatibility either.

I wrote a bit more extensively about it here : counterparty.com

Im short, I believe it could be done like OLGA STAMPs without any protocol change. The ordinal data would be combined in a btc tx containing both valid counterparty and ordinal data.

People interested in merged minting could then make their own indexers and explorers just like stamps. Would be much cleaner and more elegant.

See now this sounds dope… retains Effeciency for us, but allows for others to jam more in the tx if they need and will only cost more for anyone wanting to do extra fancy shiet - that just makes sense

Not surprised that YOU got that domain, amazing.

(Small nitpick… “most permanent” mention? Are you really convinced that is the case?)

Just listened. An enlightening beginning, some hot topics, and then ending in a positive tone. Good job @g0barry

guess I failed to see the conversation with the community where it was decided that interoperability with ordinals was something the community wanted.... oh wait, thats right, there was none... just Adam deciding this is what ppl wanted and quietly moving it forward without any real consensus.... this is apparently the way we can expect things to be going forward.

we don't... but Adam and team promised that interoperabilty with ordinals would bring an influx of users and listings on magic eden.... same BS promise that he made with atomic swaps.... another case of "GUESSING" what the community wants/needs and forcing it through rather than actually participating in teh community and listening.... IMO, adam sees Counterparty as "HIS" project since he wrote the original code, and cares fuckall about anyone telling him what he should do.... its pretty apparent to me that he has no idea what makes counterparty tick, and he has had over a year to try and proove his concepts will gain traction.... it has not, and we see the lowest amount of community engagement and usage ever.... but that won't stop him from claiming big things ahead for CP.... IMO he is a snake oil salesman who has no idea wtf the community wants.... but what do I know... i'm just a toxic dev 😛

not entirely true, at the Counterparty event in Miami (Tatiana's event in Jan of this year) BitcoinBeast (creator of PEPEME), PowerHodl, myself and a few other people expressed their love of Ordinals.... and we mentioned to Adam... why doesnt xcp use Taproot or OPCAT and other features? Is there a way we could include more xcp info than just an 80 byte limit?

He expressed that we could use other encoding formats to do bulk xcp tx data (like smash lock token/ update description / multisends / etc) all in a bulk tx.... like "add xcp function to cart" ok send 1 btc tx to do it all...

we also were very influential that the xcp community mostly does think ordinals are fun, cool and interesting and would like to see xcp incorporate those new address types and cram a bunch more info into stuff... (which is true, look at Dan Anderson and Bench's Rare Ordinal project...)

so yeah i guess we didnt discuss it thoroughly on github, but in person we definetely let him know we were interested and wanted this functionality.... now HOW that plays out on a protocol level (backwards compatibility etc) is out of my expertise.... but it is worth stating a good amount of us wanted to 'upgrade' xcp to include taproot, ordinals, onchain data, etc

now, personally i have been more interested in stuff like Token Ownership trading using DEX/Dispensers and other features I wish were taken more seriously.... but we def influenced him to start looking into other encoding and address types there

taproot upgrade I could agree with (it was ready 2 years ago when Javier and I wrote it)... and ability to encode larger amounts of data is a value add.... but it is frustrating that all it takes is a few people to have discussions with adam and presto, stuff gets added to the protocol without much discussion with the larger community.... Meanwhile, when lots of ppl are upset about lost functionality (dispensers losing origin functionality)... those same community members are ignored.... guess my frustration comes from the fact that there is no real way to determine consensus and so he just does what he wants or what he thinks a few community members wants rather than actually polling the community and listening to feedback.... IMO devs should have to sell the features to the community and talk about all the benefits vs just adding stuff they think ppl want.

Lets revisit in another 6 months and see how much usage this ordinal / counterparty functionality is ACTUALLY being used 🙂

https://i.gyazo.com/278c12666d6156d3cc2129d313ce2505.png

the lack of usage kinda speaks for itself about the adoption of the new features that have been pushed... no real demand for atomic swaps, fair mints, etc.... way more activity when dispensers were usable and cheaper/easier to manage 🤷️️️️️️

Totally understand.

And for the record I personally pushed the Token Ownership trading and "include a bunch of XCP txs using a new encoding system to make it cheaper" as my main focus

Though "countersctiptions" still are cool imo. We have so much more functionality and token stuff we can do, seemed like a no-brainer as well

Don't take what happened as "we spoke to him so he added it" . My interpretation is he heard us and did it the way he wanted...

But yeah def needs a new way to discuss updates and bugs and infrastructure additions... I HEAVILY told him he needs to do monthly Twitter spaces and sit and listen to the community

I told him I'd run XCP twitter spaces (for an XCP fee)... He didn't like that

https://x.com/g0barry/status/1940595035273417154

Reminder that dispenser activity was very slow for the first year plus…

Got it…. Well we’ve had atomic swaps for 9 months now…. 3 more months n we can do a fair comparison I spose🤷🏻‍♂️😜

Thx for the chart n reminder👍🏻….. also sad to see dispenser usage fall off a cliff since dispenser ‘origin’ functionality was removed😢

Is there still a host available I can do curl rpc to? If so could I please have an addy and confirm that’s it’s for user rpc:rpc
Thanks anyone who can provide :)

I just need to make a couple of light requests I’m just interested to see some send information over what I’ve sent to a particular addy

https://public.tokenscan.io/

they depreciated the old v1 API.. and even tho it supposed to continue working, it often gives out wrong information now after all the changes... so unfortunately gotta learn the new v2 API to request data... https://counterpartycore.docs.apiary.io/

I dont mind the ordinal thing as long as im not losing anything for it... and it works like an "and" not an "or"

For cash money in my hand I couldnt tell you what an atomic swap is

Thank ye ser

Probabaly not exactly but think of It like a Pepe locked to some sats that you can purchase with a tx (if it’s been placed on the market) and receive for a fee, when you get it you can unlock from the sats it’s attached to or just keep it like that depends if you mind it being a bit seperate to your normal pepes or not

But basically it means that you can use (browser plug-in) wallets like unisat and xverse to buy them without feeling all counterpartied up

Took me 5edits sorry

Bro... you know me...

What is the probability i understood that lol

Why you wouldn’t wanna get all counterparty’s up is beyond me but I heard there are folks who might be this way inclined

Feeling counterpartyd up is dope

Yeah

A bit for sure

Was just typing it

atomic swaps grant you the ability to accidentally spend your rare pepe...

That sounds bad fren

You smarter than you let people know, intact smarter than most - you know how to explain shit in real terms and not many people have that kinda intelligence

Ouch

it kinda is.. account system on CP makes much more sense..

Right... sounds like i could get a snake up the ass when im pooping

Makes me not wanna use the bathrooms here

And you got gemstars to back it up

See, real terms

Lol

jokes aside,
you "attach" asset to a UTXO(unspent bunch of btc) and create a partially signed transaction(PSBT) that says, whomever completes it (sends you desired amount) gets the UTXO with attached asset. Its cool in a way, but wallets are generally not aware that there might be an asset attached to the UTXO and can spend it to pay fees for other transaction.. its not mature technology, with limited support

i like CP dispensers..

I was just typing that

The risk is the art

Open dispenser... sell tings... pay tmobile

However I didn't find out that im in the extreme minority having never lost money in one

So I see how people could want it fixed

It’s better if you setup a new wallet that’s aware of them and keep it seperate to your normal shit but annoying to have more things to look after

sure there are best practices to prevent shit from happening, but murphys laws apply

Not directed at you morty more for others reading it for info who might not have played with it all

Lol yes

Dopatoshi nakaMoFlo ‘s are available for this tech

Shameless plug sorry

I’m thinking about rivalling Unsoendable Labs with my new company ‘unsellable arts’

Woooiiiiii

Dispensers are dope. And it was very revealing hearing Adam repeat “XCP is hard to get”… and I’m like, I got mine by just sending some BTC to an address

It couldn’t be simpler lol

thats the only way i ever knew

Only if there was a way to halt scammers, who decide to max send the remaining escrow quantity at max fee, Rugging all the users who were attempting to trigger the dispenser. Low volume/low users sure it's convenient. High volume/High user its a scammers dream.

The first 6-12 months of Bitcoin Stamps, the rugging of dispensers was disgusting. Even at that time there was an additional threat of creators of dispensers closing the dispenser rugging those pending buys of course this was before the 5 block before closing fix wasn't implemented.

Need that rare Pepe Community…. they know how to look after eachother on this front alas sadly it’s not something you can expect outside of there

Nothing to do with community. This comes down to users who exist in communities who were well versed in dispenser to use them as a tool to rug new users

I could say 100% of artists of their own dispensers, users were safe, as they could reach out to them in TG.

PSBT is even more trustless and decentralized as its an agreement between 2 parties in execution of the trade.

So the community your saying

Just yanking yer chain

Ux/ui needs to improve. Devs need to update their software and provide healthier tooling for users.

My opinion:

There was a clear dichotomy between the influx of “users” (real/fake) that stamps brought, and the lower volume niche that counterparty was.

Stamps as something “new”, have been advocating for as much changes as possible (numerical subassets!?), without realizing they destroyed whatever legacy the niche counterparty was.

The approach was destructive and Adam for some reason ($?) changed his tone. One of his first posts was: “the protocol is sacrosanct”…

The biggest winner here is SRC20, which is getting free development efforts!

Again, my opinion, but I call it as I see it.

Haha src-20 has nothing to do with counterparty or any dev work there. I wish there was some free dev work happening.

at least we never officially did utxo attachment on src-20 so they are safe from being accidentally spent or pruned. The new technique will be atomic swaps for src-20 that can’t be accidentally spent fwiw. Soon (tm)

I much prefer dispensers for stamps and that’s the only option on stampchain anyhow.

yet another thing which I had to battle Adam for... common sense... he was adding the ability to bind assets to UTXOs, but then not even doing basic protections within counterparty to stop people from accidentally spending/sending those UTXOs..... imagine attaching a RAREPEPE to a UTXO and then doing some un-related send of a XCP token or something to someone using Counterparty.... You would have sent your RAREPEPE token on to someone by accidentally spending the UTXO... Had to argue that basic protections should be added to Counterparty to at a minimum protect people who are USING counterparty from having their assets unintentionally spent..... of course, got pushback from Adam, saying that it should be the wallets responsability to manage UTXOs (yeah, cuz non-counterparty wallets are really gonna care about implementing counterparty-specific protections).... but yet again, after battling for common sense... takes my idea and pawns it off as his own on github... 🤷️️️️️️

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/2375#issuecomment-2442959046

Funny thing is, a number of users have used counterparty exactly as they have for many years, gathering dust and utxos by importing the private key into electrum and then sending all BTC from yourself back to yourself... and as a result, wound up accidentally spending/sending assets which were attached to UTXOS..... going from an address-based model to a utxo-based model was a mistake IMO... time will tell 😛

just make sure you shit in the sinks... its all the rage 😛

truth. taking a while but have some ideas to prevent even that usage from purging src-20 tokens. so it's been a good test case scenario beta mode for how we implement that

a nice fancy golden bitcoin sink at least

can shit in the sink now with no cost... can even have your numerics shit out numeric subassets at no cost... stamps #winning.. lol 😛

if I had known this was the way things were going to go, I prolly would have just let you shit in the sink and walked from CP a while ago.... at least we both got to see how passionate we were about our belief systems and building projects 🙂

yeah... and everyone gets to build their own walled gardens and charge whatever they want for PSBT listings... vs doing it in a decentralized way and charging a XCP fee, benefitting the whole XCP ecosystem with more XCP usage.... we have different opinions on what is "safer"..... also, usage has fallen off a cliff since dispensers were broken and replaced with the "safer" atomic swaps... time will tell I guess .

I don’t even think anyone has done numeric subasset stamps. Will have to check but there’s not much of a point. On some levels it would have been nice to move all stamps off cp anyway and taken you up on the fork off.

imagine a world where we all just agreed that numerics should pay an XCP fee just like every other asset registered on CP.... more xcp usage, stamps on counterparty... win/win... but alas, we went different paths and we are where we are now 😛

https://tokenscan.io/assets?type=5

exactly 22 numeric subassets since being implemented in October... much demand 😛

Idk perhaps the src-20 fork turned into the bigger fork in terms of marketcap anyhow

side-note:.... FIRST numeric subasset 🙂

https://tokenscan.io/asset/A14211351893191878525.NumericSubassetsRGhey

And no stamps on numeric subassets. I don’t see much of a downside to the feature anyhow

having stamps half on cp and half off was def confusing... but glad you got to roll out your own indexer and i'm sure you learned a lot... as did I writing BTNS... and both our paths led us to working on stuff that we believe in long-term and enjoy working on 🙂

could a numeric subasset stamp be considered a bitcoin stamp? Thought that Mike ruled that only numerics could be considered "stamps" 😛

An every day thing indeed. Would have been cooler to work on the same fork together

Those are POSH stamps thanks to MLO

Err named stamps I mean

Numeric subasset stamps aren’t excluded i don’t think

Never tried

got ya... will give ya that some cool innovation came out of stamps... seeing what ppl were able to do with SVGs and layering to force more functionality into stamps was cool 🙂

Mainnet is testnet

where real men test

🙂

FAFO

Hold my beer

IMO adam changed his tone once he figured out that he wouldn't be able to get big bags of XCP and profit from building on CP that way.... that was one of his main concerns when he came back and started wanting to get involved in dev again... said he would, but only if him and Evan could secure big bags..... I think his views changed once he saw that he stood to profit more from extracting funds from investors via a for-profit unspendable labs and its products vs focusing on getting more XCP usage within the protocol and increasting the usage and value for all users. 🤷️️️️️️

i will say i sure af wouldn't use json for this shit ever again. that was tied to the damn meme tho. i do like LEB128 encoding they used on runes

i think a marketplace like unspendable is dependent upon more users and volume regardless of who pays for it initially tho

yep... I saw the JSON for data encoding and thought "WTF!?! so much wasted space"... its what made me go with pipe-delimited formatting in BTNS... but alas, times were crazy, and ppl were just copying one another to put out shit as fast as possible.... JSON encoded data is def a bad idea (as is making every action like SEND and MINT its own asset... but I digress, we've had that battle before... hindsight is 20/20) 🙂

this binary format works better for src-20 and is planned at least for transfers to savee space:

7374616D703A // "stamp:" (6 bytes)
01 // version (1 byte)
12 // protocol op (1 byte)
F09F9A80F09F8EAEF09F8EAFF09F8EA2F09F8E88 // tick (20 bytes)
0000000000000064 // amount: 100 (8 bytes)
0000000000075BCD // decimals (8 bytes)

yeah the pipe wasn't that great either, binary ftw overall

gotta have a community that is aware of the products and wants to use them... IMO the only value that CP has now that it has lost the community spirit is that it has some early NFT projects on it.... SOG and RAREPEPE are the only thing of value left on CP... and not sure that those alone will be enough to drive traffic / liquiditry through any marketplace to make it profitable.... at least not for investors... for individual website operators (like firemints.xyz) might be able to cover operational costs and squeak out a lil profit

at least horizon has a marketing budget so who knows how that will go once everything is in place.

pipe delim def has some waste .... not as much as json... but way more flexible than binary I think.. can easily just add another pipe and anotehr field and update the indexer... vs having to do what CP does for many years (oh shit, we wanna change a format, now we need 3 bytes instead of 2... need to tickle the decoder with lots of funky rules)..... glad to see you at least have a version number... should make rolling out new formats much easier longer term.... provided you don't do like CP does now and change formats of existing ids and break reverse compat 😛

one can hope I spose.... IMO think grassroots efforts, regular dev meetings, engaging witht he community, and encouraging other ppl to build on the ecosysteem would be better than chasing most ppl away and relying on a single entity for marketing budget... UL got 1.5M last week... but that shit goes fast... Adam, Ouziel, Mikeinspace, dimesquatter... lots of mouths to feed over there... doubt much actually makes it to marketing 😛

but I am all doom n gloom angry toxic dev.. so what do I know 😛 Enjoyed the conversation @reinamora_137 🙂

haha cheers to angry toxic devs. i will say i agree with you on most things. including the need for an open source order book at the protocol level that everyone shares. partly why delays on doing things on src-20 so we can get that dialed. the only trick is we don't have a 'gas' token like xcp so a few other things need to change 😉

gn ser

I can get along with you because you have been straight like this. Remember you also saying this is all fake, which is the actual truth lol.

And have stayed anon, which is smart.

The narrative changes have been ridiculous (first XCP is a cancer, and now is a central part 🤣). But maybe that is not your role

Well the fake part certainly hasn’t changed. Keeps me from taking things too seriously and getting terribly wrapped up in the drama.

Always been supportive of getting xcp usage up, just not on numerics 🙂. Still a solid bag holder after all. And there’s nothing that can diminish my gratitude for cp as a whole. Even if it is a pain in the ass half the time. Xcp fees were only really a cancer to the stamp meme/narrative. Makes a ton of sense for more additional things that could be built around dex and such

I do appreciate being able to do mostly whatever dafuq on src-20 without anyone complaining too much. Degens don’t get wrapped up in all this stuff i guess. Everyone just needs their own protocol and we make them all talk together to decentralize it haha. Then we can have millions of punks!

"Entrepreneurs, innovators, and creators are all those who are capable of pushing the lines we define as limits a little further toward the impossible"
-Jeison Perez

That phrase defines yesterday's event. It was great.

Hello! Announcing that the xcp.dev website is down for good. It has been a wild ride, that needed to end in order to move on.

The conclusion for ending it is based on how fake everything is.

The Counterparty technology is just a private token platform, with its only decentralized part being the medium. The rules are constantly changing, and users MUST follow along for EVERY change. Over 50 ledgers and counting. It is more of a proof of concept/play crypto platform than anything else.

Some credit must be given because of how pioneering it was, principally its users.

But the incentives are aligned with grifters. Is a nasty psychological trap, about keeping an illusion that these have any merit in value. A truth that many actually know, but they benefit from the rest being ignorant.

It is kind of an insane little corner of the Bitcoin world… which can provide some awesome art! And that I will continue being interested with, but save your sats over any fake token.

Only the transaction is the art, literally.

None

Bitst.art will continue?

Thank gawd a bunch of my stuff is physical !!

Sad day was my favorite place to dig around !! Actully the best compilation of info going !!

Thank you for your passionate interest in Counterparty and all that you contributed to the community, platform, art, and space by being involved... we may have not always seen eye to eye on certain topics, but it was always clear to me how passionate you were about the platform and its users, and you will always have my respect for standing your ground, doing what you felt was right, fighting the good fight, and offering different perspectives for people to consider... I will miss xcp.dev.

Much appreciated!

Yes

https://x.com/hellmoneypod/status/1944823629780496757?s=46

Sad to hear you're closing xcp.dev but totally understand your decision, Juan.

Will you still remain active in the chat? Will you keep moderating this channel?

https://x.com/superrarerares/status/1945417065965203790?s=46&t=uZ6SvUHDqNT8MrjyS6ct0g

Yes I’ll be around. And whatever minimum moderation I do, will also continue for now

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i got a thing for this lol

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