Question for the users:

Right now we have this mostly unformatted table of things happening in the Bitcoin mempool. Is it useful? We can clean it up.

*or* We can just list all pending events in their respective tables. So pending issuances go in the Issuances table, etc.

I think it needs to be contextual. The reason someone would want to view the mempool, mainly, is due to the safety problems surrounding dispensers. So before I buy from a dispenser, I would want to check mempool transactions specific to that dispenser to know whether or not its safe to buy.

so pending dispensers should be available (now? today?) on asset detail pages and on the landing page

if that's what's important, then we don't need a dedicated mempool tab

Mempool tab is nice. It's where command sits unconfirmed, then moves to given tab once confirmed

Knowing I successfully triggered a Dispenser

And I'm awaiting my transaction to be confirmed...unless it sits in Dispenser tab maybe with an icon? Unconfirmed?

It would be in the dispenser tab

immediately

With a pending or unconfirmed badge?

Then I mean there isn't a need for a dedicated tab, if I can see it triggered and pending somewhere

And so forth for issuance and sweeps.

consensus is clear, no one wants us to 'do us'.

beyond that it's a tossup.

i just chose the do you option :p

My opinion is that we've already abstracted away the blockchain-y bits a lot by having separate tabs for each message types. IMO makes sense to keep the mempool view unified as a reminder of the blockchaininess of counterparty

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Yeah I don't see the harm in keeping it.

Yes this is very true.

Also, I like to use the mempool also for seeing dex orders/sells coming in

And making the expiration of the dex orders greater would be good

3 months is too low imo

Some people only login once every year and place orders, then they expire, then the liquidity and availability drys up

okay noted

It would be nice if orders had the same easy visibility as dispensers too
Like easy to search I mean

sorry could you elaborate a bit more?

what are you thinking?

I find orders right now tricky to find really
Dispensers and orders basically anyway to transact should be easier and as searchable as possible.
Like if you had a card in your wallet and you clicked on standing orders for that card you’d see them all
Or dispensers for that card
You could see them right away and either make one or buy one or sell one ?!
Normies need it to be easy lol 😂

I think you’re referring to freewallet itself, not the explorer?

The UI is definitely not easy to understand for the DEX if you’ve never used it.

Dispenser is much easier, send BTC to this address. Simple.

Correction on the Dex max expiration, it’s 56 days, or 8,064 blocks… not 3 months

I’ve always wondered why 56 days and my only guess was due to February having 28 days

@droplister posted 1,000’s of 🔥 dex orders months ago and most expired with no action.

It be nice to have a big store with stuff on the shelf

I got 40-50 fills which seemed decent

Hey, all! I am really excited to share our first beta cut of the Horizon Wallet: https://horizon-wallet.vercel.app/

Things to note:
* as @Niftyboss1 pointed out, if you are importing a seed it is very likely you should import it as Freewallet/Counterwallet. If your balances aren't what you expect, try importing as Freewallet bip39
* accounts are not addresses. Coins in one account cannot be spent by coins in another. This is crucial for atomic swaps but can be a bit confusing if you're not used to it.
* currently only supports send, issue and receive
* we have not tested wallets with large numbers of assets and lots of transaction history, so it may not work. If it doesn't, no worries, it's the next thing we're working on!

Please report any and all feedback here! And for now, please do not share the link to the wallet outside this group.

Thanks for testing!

(and of course, as testers, caveat emptor and all that. It's under rapid development and additional features will be coming over the next few weeks.)

Another thing worth noting: it is not currently possible to view your seed phrase in your wallet, so if you don't write it down and you log out of your wallet, you cannot recover it.

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Perhaps you don't think it matters, but in Firefox (librewolf actually) the wallet doesn't load at all.

that matters a lot!

filing an issue.

obligatory: if you have an ad blocker try disabling it. I use Orion and have to disable both uBlock and the native content blockers.

Okay, I'll try that later

I installed librewolf and replicated weirndess with librewolf even when disabling ublock and native tracking protection. Wallet works well on vanilla firefox, though.

Firefox's privacy settings are extremely configurable (enter about:config in your address bar and then search for the word 'privacy' and you'll see) and some futzing that librewolf does with those settings might be messing with Vercel. Anyway will look into it. Thanks for reporting!

I guess code is. Hard

@mnlclassic found the culprit. steps to fix:
- in Librewolf address bar enter about:config
- in about:config search bar enter webgl.disabled; this will say true; use the toggle to switch to false.
- reload https://horizon-wallet.vercel.app and it should work!

Awesome

I will check it out when I get home

Awesome

Looks great and works fine

Awesome! Thanks so much for the kind words. More to come soon 🔥️️

Inventive haha 😂

It froze during this process with an iPhone

I’ll try again

Doh 😣 frozen 🥶 sucks

Same result

Yeah, I take security seriously

thanks for the report @XCERXCP ! Will try to replicate and let you know. Do you have Lockdown Mode disabled? What browser are you using?

Safari, lockdown mode off

Okay cool. Any adblockers? Have you tried disabling content blocking for this site?

for the reentry, did you try both copying and pasting and entering by hand?

It’s possible it was not frozen but I couldn’t scroll down to click continue?

I’ll try again

one sec, I think there might be a bad error message

one sec

yup okay! That's a subtle but bad error message. Do me a favor and do the following in order:
* Delete the reentry
* Delete the first entry
* In the first entry box enter Star3333
* Do the same in the second entry box
* try to log in

Problem is when password don’t match, it doubles down and freezes

There's a nasty bug in the error handling.

Great find, but I think this will fix it.

That’s cool also

yup, we were very intensely focused on having rigorous error handling in the seed entry. This is just a gap in the error handling for password entry

Yeah we’re not handling the actual error properly here. Start from scratch and ensure the first password is 8 characters before typing in the password confirmation. That should allow you to login. I think Periwig has made an issue for us to fix.

@XCERXCP this worked for me. Give it a try and let me know if that unblocks you.

Not to be too picky, but if the continue button could auto focus on the next seed word when you click it, it would be much smoother

Na same result, maybe it’s because I keep clicking continue?

Each seed word I enter? I can’t get to the continue button

The seed and password entry are independent. If you made it to the password entry you put in your seed correctly.

I don’t know if it’s frozen or if the continue button is off the screen

In the password entry, the issue with error handling is: if you enter a password that's fewer than 8 characters then, if you tab through to the reentry, you cannot go back to the first entry and add additional characters to make it hit the character minimum

Yeah, I entered each in one swoop

This time correctly

Hm, could you try going through the workflow again in incognito mode? want to make sure there isn't a weird caching issue

Yeah just did that next

I don’t think it’s freezing, I think the continue button is just off the screen

Even before I do anything, I still can’t scroll down on page load but passwords and errors work

ahh okay. that should be easily fixed (cc @dimesquanderer )

Well you incidentally discovered a more pernicious bug so thanks!

Continue button off screen the biggest bug!

Maybe most important! Not biggest lol

yes, will get a fixed deployed asap.

thank you for reporting!

Haha no problem, I’m just joking

@XCERXCP does it work in landscape mode?

(or have you tried opening the URL directly outside of telegram?)

(confirmed it works both in landscape and portrait on iPad, which is also iOS)

Screen bigger on iPad

I did try on landscape, no

hm? you mean didn't? can you try? and can you try opening the url directly in the safari app rather than through telegram's safari

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okay thx!

Yes I did try on browser outside telegram

can you post a screenshot of the password entry page in the safari app?

I’m reading along and ios too. Is there a button below the seed phrase generated with a new wallet? I was given a seed phrase by the app but there were no other navigation items on the screen. I assume just login with new seed but app is not loading. Looks clean.

What browser and device are you using

In landscape, no scroll exists to navigate down page

Same here, can’t scroll down to continue

awesome tyvm for the report. we'll get right on it.

That’s ten password bar glitch or pooor placement I was talking about g about a while ago
Need to be further up the screen is all

It's a bit more than that. per @XCERXCP it should scroll differently.

Same as xcer

Css problem? Accepting pull requests?

Css for responsive sizes…

#yourDiv
{
min-height: 100%;
max-height: 100%;
}

Will Horizon be able to do this (eventually)?

https://twitter.com/theog__/status/1830921270692589800

"mint' is a loaded term

Does he mean 'issue'?

or is this a reference to the to-be-released fair mint functionality?

Yes I believe he means ‘issue’

But I’m not sure if he’s referring to stamps or ‘standard’ assets

yeah I mean with v10.5.0 you'll be able to batch issuances but I am not sure what the UX would be like in the wallet.

Gm ☕️

Will horizon have wallet connect capability?

We'll be building out a separate marketplace, which will connect both to Horizon and in the future other wallets.

@Niftyboss1 I guess this would work as a JSON/CSV upload. Might be better suited to the marketplace. Would also be good for multisend. Interesting idea; will file an issue.

I believe there's a max limit of 20 issuance at one time.

hm, really? lemme check

Launchpad on ninja. We can stamp 20 assets in 1 Transaction

Is that a data limti or a Counterparty limit?

Not sure if it's a Bitcoin limitation as 20 txs are created, or it's a CounterParty limitation

But yes 20 asset creations in 1 go is possible.

afaik atm it's not possible to embed multiple Counterparty txs in a single bitcoin tx. That will change with v10.5.0.

hmmm... I wonder if Ninja is just presenting that to the buyer and doing 20 txns on their end...

This would make scalability cheaper on a tx basis or just increase the data size of the tx?

This, coupled with the proposal to embed data in witness outputs + derp/jp(?)'s tx relay proposal would massively reduce costs and increase scalability.

All slated for v10.5.0

(it'd also optionally make fees payable exclusively in XCP)

It's 1 tx out. 20 in.

I belive it's only supported with their wallet though

So you send 1 fee (roughly the cost of minting 1 asset) and you get back 20 minted assets?

I mean that's a nice UX but it's not the same thing as embedding multiple counterparty txs in the same bitcoin tx, which the protocol doesn't currently understand and does not support.

1 tx multiple utxos, fees variable by qty due to dust on minting stamps

Well that's that's thing with stamps. Each tx is a separate issuance of an asset, so if those 20 Bitcoin txs approve next block..20 assets are issued

Well.... I mean it could be 100s or thousands next block if it filled wonder what's the imitations

Would you mind sharing the txn ID so that it can be assessed?

I can pay for my tx fee in XCP?

the way it'd work is: you'd pay a relayer in XCP to relay your tx (and thus pay your BTC fee)

again, it'll be optional, but a pretty exciting evolution!

That’s insane… if I had 0
BTC balance, and 5 XCP, my wallet would still work?

yep

Wow!

conversely, if you had 0 XCP but a btc balance, I think (@teysol correct me if I'm wrong 😬) you could acquire XCP through an atomic swap with which to pay the relay fee as part of the bundle of txs to be relayed by the relayer.

Literally making XCP BTC at different price points in the CP ecosystem

there are very clear benefits to using xcp rather than btc for tx fees: e.g. no longer having to send yourself dust in addition to your counterparty assets in order to use them

and generally, having to pay tx fees in one currency seems obviously preferable to two.

Wouldn’t you need some BTC to send the XCP tho?

no, it's out of band.

counterparty doesn't have a p2p network

How do you do trustless out of band or is that the tradeoff?

that's precisely the tradeoff (and why there's a fee charged by the relayer)

again, it'll be optional, just an exciting innovation for those who want it.

And tbc relayer fees will be forfeited if the txs aren't executed by a user-specified target. It's a nuanced thing obviously, but it doesn't need to reach a game-theoretic equilibrium; it'll be optional and depend on trust.

anyway, specs will be published for review soon enough, only brought this up a propos of what @NorthrnSatosh said.

The loss is the fee paid or other assets involved?

the loss is the fee paid to the relayer. obviously the submitter doesn't get penalized.

i.e. the fee gets refunded to the submitter

But I don't want to get ahead of anything. The spec is still being drafted.

So how is that not trustless? There’s no harm?

MEV attacks, e.g.

it's one thing to align incentives, another thing to provide formalized notions of trust, which this will not.

once again, I don't want to speak out of turn too much. probably better to wait until the specs are published so there is a common reference point for discussions.

If no harm of the original value being transacted can’t be lost or reduced, I consider that trustless.

I am not trying to be pedantic or anything I just don't want to oversell it

Bitcoin works the same way as you know.. miners can decide to do X or Y with txs and we all call Bitcoin trustless. So if this is all true, we should call it trustless.

I hear you and I really am not trying to kick up a fuss lol. IMO Bitcoin's different in some important ways but I understand what you're saying.

(but you bring up a good point. e.g. interestingly the first block to mint runes had *way* lower fees/byte than succeeding blocks. I am sure people made out-of-band deals with miners to get their txs included in that first block.)

All miners will do it in the future, they will guarantee access to Bitcoin to preferred customers

Nation states will do it. Etc… it’s going to be a digital war.

Only thing trustless is I can’t lose my initial value

I’d actually argue a relayer is a better model, since I can choose.

However, the relayer still relies on the miner.

Intriguing remarks...please elaborate and how does ICP fit in future context?

Yup issue indeed

Fyi

Happy miners makes happy bitcoin and counterparty indeed !

Unspendables account is good..horizon rugged

hm @teysol ?

thanks for calling attn to that @NorthrnSatosh. Will look into it.

Who dis ?

I can't seem to find this pending dispense (for 610 XCP) anywhere else:

Suggestion: Could the explorer show txid (and when it was first seen) for pending transactions?

@Niftyboss1 I found it, last page of the mempool tab

Yes, I meant I can't find it in xchain or mempool.space

and in the dispenses tab (`OXBT` is cluttering the latter)

ah oh

sorry I wasn't clear enough :)

np! I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Seems a bit of a rabbit hole but you can if you copy adesess from hash

Anyone getting timeouts when opening their wallet?

manually trying this query also times out for me

https://api.counterparty.io:4000/v2/bitcoin/addresses/utxos?addresses=1NYF1ToFei2XiP9RmJ2VboQ8LKVyyRwMoC

just made a new wallet and yes I get that error

thanks! So it's not just me

hmm I think this is a vercel thing

okay this is an api server thing from counterparty

this is probably transient

on it right now. thanks so much for reporting guys.

yep confirmed it's the api server itself. on it.

For older addresses with history the utxos call from counterparty server is unreliable

It’s why I’m still paying for blockcypher api

Okay servers are healthy again

Horizon wallet and explorer are working.

yeah addrindexrs is going away. will be replaced by an optional dep on electrs

looking forward to it

@Niftyboss1 @benchbtc can you confirm it's working well for you

(@hodlencoinfield @Niftyboss1 fwiw as part of UL I think we'll be providing infra with proper SLAs in the not-distant future. we're just eating the cost of counterparty servers atm so giving uptime guarantees is impracticable)

I no longer see the error!

awesome tyvm for reporting back!

Just found another issue: I can’t create a new wallet on my mobile (iPhone 8)

Scrolling seems to be disabled so I can’t see the entire page

yup! @XCERXCP reported that. We'll be releasing a new version with a ton of fixes incl better mobile support very, very soon

My bad for using an ancient phone lol

lol not at all, we'll try to support as many platforms as we can (within reason ;-P)

yep sorry for the downtime guys!

Anyone know how this works on a Linux ?!
I’ve got a new computator I’d like to load this on
Haven’t even tried yet ?!

OS shouldn't matter? should just be a browser thing.

just confirmed it works on my linux machine with firefox

Right on I’ll be doing that tonight !!

Fwiw mempool.space explorer needs an electrum server too. Infrastructure wise, it would be awesome if counterparty and mempool could be configured to utilize the same electrs instance.

yeah we're gonna host a public electrs server!

(same caveat goes for it ofc)

Nice. I’m working on a custom explorer is why I mentioned it. Trying to keep infrastructure smooth.

awesome

Electrs servers
https://api.counterparty.io:50001 # mainnet
https://api.counterparty.io:60001 # testnet

@teysol is there rate limiting?

Are there known issues with Send? I'm trying to do a send but it's failing with this error:

An error occurred: Bad Response - Request Failed https://api.counterparty.io:4000/v2/bitcoin/transactions?signedhex=02000000015d82f14d60d79ce05...

nope, no known issues with send. can you paste the full error?

sure, one sec

(you can open up the network tab in the console to get the full error if it's not bubbled up)

Ah I think this is it:

From the console tab:

error
:
"mempool min fee not met, 522 < 591"

there ya go. that shouldn't be possible tho.

still a bug. nice find!!

Ok, now trying again with a higher fee

Hmm still the same issue, even with the highest fee setting

The UI doesn't let me set a fee higher than 591 sat

wat

really?

Unless I'm missing something

can you send a screenshot?

(dm is fine)

Sure

none that we have added; we're using mostly the server defaults

https://explorer.unspendablelabs.com/tx/b167842b9aa57ba11d3bb22a396d078a418f1d396d8bf37238a8e4446a863b49

Dispenser live

Slick on horizon
Only 5 at that price 22 only available

Wallet's live here! https://wallet.unspendablelabs.com

Announcement tweet!
https://x.com/UnspendableLabs/status/1838708329440248022

Proper TG announcement soon but thanks to everyone who tested!

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oh yeahhh! congratulations

I think the password might need to be 9 characters

definitely tested that a ton. it might be a small regression.

lemme see

I could be wrong, I will try again later

8 chars worked for me!

Ok cool! False alarm

Looks great!

Just a head's up, if you're looking to decode assets that reference IMGUR, xchain invented a custom structure for the pointer.

For instance, this asset: https://explorer.unspendablelabs.com/assets/NORMIES?msg=balances uses the following string as its description:

imgur/8uMIwWX.jpg;NORMIES

This should map to: https://i.imgur.com/8uMIwWX.jpeg

A lot of assets were minted this way, as it was required in order to display on xchain/freewallet for a number of years.

Great! We have an open issue for that.

woot! OtherWallet is uninstalled! looking forward to 10.4 and hardware wallet support, at last. thanks for all the hard work, this is a big upgrade

when open source so ppl can verify what is going on in the wallet. Believe this was promised in CP channel many months ago, just following up to see if your plans are still to open source the wallet, and if so, when, where?

Will the code be open source

Wallet code will certainly be open source, yes.

sounds a lot like CIP13 - MCAT proposed by John and Devon in 2017

https://forums.counterparty.io/t/cip-proposal-13-mcat-multiparty-counterparty-aggregate-transaction/3151/4

Well well well

actually format wasnt invented by me, was by someone else (cant recall who)... maybe Joe?. I just added support to xchain for it so ppl could display images easily, and added it to CIP25 as a standardized format, same as IPFS:, ORD: etc.

Source code is available here: https://github.com/UnspendableLabs/horizon-wallet

Thank you 👍🏻

Snap snap @KeroNFTs

snap snap fam

Great job guys

Terms of service and Privacy Policy are ‘white on white’ when viewed in daytime mode.

ah damn good catch

Will file an issue.

Done thx @ABlue0ne !

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gm!

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Gm

Respectfully ask that you guys focus on getting MPMA sends working in your wallet before moving on to other features. I’ve had a number of users who have had issues doing mpma send, which work fine on 9.61.3, but users who have pointed their freewallet server setting at api.counterparty.io seem to have issues with generating the second tx required to complete the mpma send. The first tx generates fine n broadcasters fine, but they get errors when trying to generate the second tx, end result is user funds are lost as they are written to outputs in the first tx, which are then never spent in the second tx. The issue is resolved by them pointing to public.tokenscan.io on 9.61.3…. However if the update to 10.4 is mandatory, I want to make sure MPMAs work fine on 10.4 before and upgrade is made, and many users use and depend on MPMA sends.

Thank you for your attention on this matter👍🏻

So having a strange issue.
I am trying to do a multi-send and for some reason it is failing yet sending my tx fee to some random address.
Anyone know why the hell I am losing funds.
Thanks

This is the mempool of where the tx fee is going and the image of the failed tx for the multi send.

https://mempool.space/address/35YFG178PnpTGS8Hd7fzg8iwKRcFqWM9mS

Basically thinking the tx had failed I would try again not realizing I was losing my btc on every failed attempt.
Bout 20$ in fees have been LOST.

Just a heads up.
My problem was solved.
If you are using free wallet and it is giving you issues
Go to yer server settings in yer wallet and make sure they are set to default settings by clicking the button that says
“reset to default”
Done.

Also,
I am outside explaining all the new features and ability people will have with the power of Counterparty.
When I am able to test the new features I will be the 1st one helping new users to use it.
I am always here for my fam.
I am just autistic and emotional.
I just don’t like loosing funds.
I don’t make the rules.
KEK

Forwarding messages above from main channel with details from users. Thx. 👍🏻

Will tokenscan not be upgrading its servers?

I believe I just clarified that if the update is mandatory, then all the features, like MPMA should continue working in 10.4….. once I have seen this is the case, I will most likely update.

But upgrading to 10.4 and having users use MPMA in FreeWallet and have issues, offloads support cost to me….. as of right now I can tell them to use 9.61.3 and MPMA sends work fine. I would like to tell them to use 10.4 and have MPMA sends will work fine as well.

This is why I am respectfully asking that you add MPMA to your wallet ASAP so that you can verify that indeed MPMA‘s seem to be having issues on 10.4 and get this fixed before activation block 👍🏻

I'll get an issue filed for Counterparty Core with this bug report with MPMA.

Thank you👍🏻

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/2270

[removed] (false alarm)

Gm ☕️

May we have the Dispenser count show empty if the txs are in mempool?

that is a great suggestion!

will file a bug rn

I just sent to a Dispenser. That already been empty with txs in mempool...

I know I know. Don't trust verify...

So we do track pending dispenses, but we don't show the dispenser as closed if the dispenser is pending

Let me file a bug.

Thank you 🙏

It’d be nice if you could click on the asset shown in a dispenser and have it navigate to the general info of that asset

Order matches are now displayed on the homepage. Some other nice features like distinguishing b/t types of issuance events and sorting are WIP but coming along.