- 12 January 2024 (685 messages)
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Any questions from the audience? -
I just told you a reality -
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This is not normal just by opening the wallet
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Do you think you need all this data jus for opening the wallet? I strongly believe that not
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Might or might not
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Is better the approach of incremental fetch what you really need in each moment
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IMO
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Now multiply this calls for the numbers of users of freewallet
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Nice olive branch.
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What are you offering here ser?
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Are you proposing any solution?
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fee calc added -
Awesome -
I pulled it up on mine
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its obviously more than .5, but won't be super terrible
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at least at these prices
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A Blue One in Official Counterparty Chat
Stop showing selective graphs and propaganda
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@teysol dm from me
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The partners collaborators and customers section of universelle.io include the system counterparty was intended to replace.
I will not consciously spend my efforts giving them any support for free or support their closed source endeavors by proxy. -
https://pypi.org/project/qrcode/ for the dispensers pages. Many users are stumped without qrcodes for dispenser addresses. I always thought xchain UI leaving the qr code and address visible for a dispenser, when the dispenser was known to be empty, to be in poor form. I bet you can blow that out of the park.qrcode
QR Code image generator
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you need to know does a address have a dispenser open on it when you load it .. so if you got a dozen address's say that's a dozen calls to get the my dispensrs tab to work -
getting utxo from cp will help development as testnet utxo selection not as well supported on public apis .. testnet broadcast too be nice over api
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his articles are brilliantn too .. reverse engineering counterparty multisig was very helpful
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I’ve been following Olga for a long time.
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Check dm jp if you need me
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I like Electrum bcs coin control, RBF and multisig.
Will do a writeup soon about the Counterparty Electrum scripts. -
I hemorrhage million of sats making subassets with long descriptions n went n found where they went
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I’m pretty sure I quoted you’re electrumrs or resurfaced it recently.
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yes rbf, I use coinb.in for p2sh multisig
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A Blue One in Official Counterparty Dev Chat
Your code looks beautiful. Indented, plainly worded and with comments! Someone give this man a promotion.
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bitcoin balance, asset balances, current mempool txs ..txhistory all needed when wallet is loaded to be able to see whatever you have n are in process of doing
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it OK eh . I think it's 0.001 per database hit .. 4*0.001 as 4 dbase hits to move a issuance ownership, 2*0.001 for a asset transfer as 2 dbase hits
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an address that look empty may have dispenser. you can't know until you check api .. a flag in address balances may help ? as your assets are in escrow so not visible on balance ... dispenser rate and escrow remaining all come from dispensers api call
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Tellykick bot was cool... gated access to chat room dependant on asset held ... a challenge response using signed message to prove ownership of requited asset
sadly bot not working at this time ..but is good idea and worked well -
certain pepes unlock doors
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Ownerships needed to be known to know if possible to perform actions like new quantity issuance, Lock asset, transfer ownership etc if you not using api to build opreturn hex
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Could we get a p2sh multisig held by core devs funded with xcp via xcp fees to pay for xcp developers?
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can then put dev price on cips and fund by community use of counterparty
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3 of 5 p2sh easy to do
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could fund community node(s) too
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Whose is working on client side wallet stuff for xcp.dev?
I may not use same flavour of javascript but I am happy to share my stuff ..
@IndelibleTrade has seen some n made use of some of it -
Another idea is if dev publish some signed pub keys we can publish a tool that anyone can use to (dont trust verify) and make the 3 of 5 or 5 of 8 multisig address - ppl may even start to donate funds to help
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p2sh works just doesnt have api support
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I don’t have a nodeJS based server right now due to budget So I am stuck in client only JS or dire php for a bit.
The flavour of js I tend to use is like npm repo that builds from Either TS or JS, I didn’t play with next style server rendering yet but next time I get nodeJS server again that’s the kind way I like to build, I like it when I can get the intital load for whatever url from the server but then I like the client app takeover from there.
Loved seeing your stuff and the directions you are going to reclaim escrowed (for want or better temeinaology) sats -
i got the multisig javascrpit p2sh address/redeen script building code to hand
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We dont need polished tool to spend from multisig - can be done manually to begin with - but a nice tool to build multisig addresses that anyone can use i happy to put out .. will do bip67 so always get same address from same set of pubkeys
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I got a 3 of 5 multisig address builder page working :) - just needs 5 public keys as inputs
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Sign a broadcast?
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to make a counterparty "broadcast" you dont need any balance info
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you can broadcast messages with bitcoin key and no xcp no assets
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Careful with terminology and traps. I would advise a circular economy on assets.
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Anyone can send XCP to P2SH addresses
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This
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We could have a list of dev pubkeys and a sha256 hash of the 3address they create when combined into a 3 of 5. Then users can enter 5 pubkeys make 3address and check it matches the sha256 hash
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no address published just pubkeys and tool to build/verify
I could build in the ability to verify the signatures of the pubkeys - so 10 inputs a pubkey and a sig x 5 -
You’re so there.
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screen shots soon - whats a good linux git gui ?
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@herpenstein see dm
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you will see my page matches coinb.in p2sh address generation
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Reminds me of coinbin -
Hahahaha
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that is coinbin
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but coinbin does not use bip67 so key order is important on that site -i make it easy for n00bs keys in any order n same multisig address
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It's been years, but I used to base all my client side wallets on coinbin, that's how I learned coin control and how to pick utxo's
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here are the pubkeys ...
020b24cdac6953a86c6f8114377f7744b7b9e3c09d379018ffeaa7ed14e85c0b55
02a687666022b1da420433e55635c6a586a7f3e4cf08f9c13bfe951de76d21ae65
02b58abe2220445b4abc5c73dae728ed56d078e012f8dcaac1a9baf7de6302bd78
033820aa25d8a8b1bd47c3f1c99c13c11daa8c4b9948d327ace809289bf4da17a0
0348f903ae35969acc6b9de56db4cbfa3a396039f98d6891379f8bb1f0482babcc
I dont have the private keys so dont deposit lol -
Should not be any conflict everything pushed in my side
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i cannot tell i dont know @hodlencoinfield @jp_janssen
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yes it has been years since thats been working
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Many tx types is a summary of growing pains too.
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please ser check your dm
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No. I’ll talk w you publically
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Go ahead
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i would prefere to have this chat clean
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i need to understand why your attacks and what are you meaning with this
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yes i’ll certainly admit the codebase has been poorly managed
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and i’ll take the blame for being lazy and not contributing since it “just worked”
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im very excited to get it cleaned up and back to a less spaghetti state
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9.58 was good times.
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@ABlue0ne also i think you are mad because we have not released publicly the opensource indexer for stamps, i will explain you why not bc im a little tired of you attacking me, we cannot release it opensource until we have not a 100% balance match with current working indexer at stampscan (which is different and close source at the moment, but he is planning to make it opensource when we release this one) we cannot release it yet bc if we release it and there are discrepancies in balance we have a big problem also people that was in the repo, has been stealing the code and running the indexer without been full tested so if we release it without been finished some others can do the same and we are in a chaos, there are many money in src20 protocol so we have to be prudent releasing it i hope you understand this
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and please i would prefere to have this chat clean and in the focus
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A Blue One in CNTRPRTY Bitcoin Developers
You’re worried about stamps. I’m worried about counterparty. We are not the same.
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I have been with the stamps Community offering dev help for nine months with the same lines on repeat. In this chat for much longer.
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if i were worried just about stamps, i wouldnt be here, the ones worried about stamps are working in his own things not here
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Fair enough. Remember this is a counterparty chat first and the topic is the protocol please. Anyone confused please just read my posts above or ask me.
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*within the repo, but the community is going wild. No?
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jajajajaja 100% is why i wanted to talk with you in private
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Not my words.
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This! Would be perfect for xcp.dev. The create calls are the most problematic to scale because of all the validation it does at the lib
It would not even hit the server with this approach. Obviously the drawback is you could end up with an invalid transaction -
we need to evaluate the pros and cons of this validations for some calls could be okay doing it on the client but i think that there are validations necessaries for some of the cases right?
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Yeah is it better to use API or hand the roll op_returns?
I guess it depends if your confident hand rolling them .. the api does do some sanity checks -
i would like the API to just return the message data non arc4 encoded
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or at least have a flag to do that
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then you can decide how you want to encode
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We are looking into it, and we are still considering if is worth doing… because it is extremely inefficient. In like even if we do it, it WILL have to be only for short term. Or we will replicate xchain’s chaos
Freewallet makes 10s of calls to the api for the most basic use cases. And some of these calls are heavy on the DB
Jeremy put himself in a very difficult position with these inefficiencies. I get the problems he is having in his backend. Is cringe and sad to hear publicly… -
lol said here
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Catching up…
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yes but is okey to repeat, he dont believe me so better if you told him
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we’ve all told him he just doesnt want to listen
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Yes, but I see how parallel improvement with counterwallet could render freewallet obsolete and end the default jdog donation.
Community can shift.
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Dont support jeremy/freewallet. That is a disservice to the community.
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freewallet can be forked today .. its the apis that it needs
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He IS part of xcp.dev though. The tx decoding is his. Would love to have more of his tools integrated ❤️
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This
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yes... but forking it dont solves the issue of users needing to import pkey in other wallets
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we can certainly fork and optimize calls but this is a work that we can avoid, we can just push forward integration in big modern wallets and get expossure there
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You want everything back the way it was so the ‘Mike and co’ business model can continue and thats fine. I want the community back up regardless of anyones business model.
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Who?
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is not true, but okey this is your POV
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Same repo as counterparty2mysql.
Counterwallet is more native no? -
my POV is that if we can convert xcpdev in a dapp that can be easily integrated with big wallets like okx, leather, unisat, Math we can get 2 positive things, a modern wallet working with xcp and some exposure to his users base for counterparty
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Yeah counterwallet is the native wallet but i thought it lacked certain newer features i could be wrong?
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could we not have a community version of freewallet that speak to xcpdev.counterparty.io or something ?
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all users need to do is change the xchain host name in the settings
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This generates the same xchain qr? Once tried to add the qr to xcpdev, but did’t proceed because it was not generating the same as xchain and wanted it to be consistent…
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Is this in the users best interest? There are some shady wallet services out there?
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will it be fully open sourced?
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if is a npm package yes
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Ask juan about xcp.dev.
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the qr is just of the address of the dispenser and the amount in btc 0.00000000 should be easy to match
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i asked him
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This. Counterwallet and done.
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put your work where your mouth is
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i see everyone here working unless you
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Depends on what you feed it. You might be remembering when jdog changed consensus with us and hardly nothing matched.
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"dispenseraddress?amount=0.00010000" is the QR i think
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@herpenstein said he wants to build it into a counterparty js lib
And @XJA77 and I are also discussing it when doing the freewallet api replacement work/analysis -
How much work are you doing with your nonsense posts right now? Stay on topic for the 200th time in the 4th channel please. Respectfully.
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i wont enter arguing with you im surpased my patience with you so iw will just ignore you :)
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A counterparty js lib could be a very nice 👍
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yep for sure, its on my list of things to do lol
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Not working on that for now, so go ahead. @XJA77 ?
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for the last 8 years
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is free to push it, just let us know so we can sync our branches
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@vm_ea pretty cool what you did with openapi
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DM me if you are still having issues
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i thought in the .env when cleaning a litle and divide in files but as we just had one var for the db path as cofig i didnt
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I don’t even know how to run it 😭
In part because I knew it was broken for not being updated -
yes... this is why i mocked all the responses
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Dm
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I can write docs.
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So grateful!!!! This is amazing to know 🚀
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but i think that we have to do a evaluation of supporting freewallet it will cost many time and resources and will load xcpdev with tons of innecessary requests
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i think yes
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From my perspective, there was almost nobody looking at the code. I was one of the few aside from Javier and Jeremy
Screamed a few times, but I was “new” and ignored
Times are changing though -
Counterwallet.
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yes as counterwallet is part of the stack
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The bip words are different but wallets can move
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counterparty seed is used by freewallet as default but bip39 is an option
some websites use bip39 by default but allow import of counterparty seed -
i made tool to extract info from counterparty seed
https://b0bsmiths.github.io/ -
main n n test use exact same private keys just like freewallet does
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thats just the start i got lots more
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counterparty seed create, resotre bip39 restore or create.. wif import to keys - sign in with message signed
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if you sign your pubkey you can derive both legacy and segwit addresses and give user a watch only wallet
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sometimes you need a p2wpkh: prefix on Wif
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freewallet now decodes tx hex so this is viable
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no one should be signing tx hex they dont know what it does - we had to pressure jdog for that as before it was blind
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I was using coinb.in to decode verify api hex before signing in freewallet
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The inefficiencies are the issue. We will replicate Jeremy’s, so is kind of pointless long term
Short term? Debatable. But this is voluntary work so we need to maximize the effort for long term benefit I believe -
but you dont get counterparty decode data
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i explained this morning why so many api calls
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This trivia is an artifact of growth/use and bad socumentstion and feature implementation has led to losses for users due to key confusion w freewallet. Very common issue in the chats. We cluld fix that too and add it to the changelog. Great job supporting the people bob.
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Do you know if this is xchain’s?
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i dont no - i found it worked easy for me
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this is it in action
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yeah thats why i went all out with my loading wallet options - i dont offer bip39 seeds but could
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dispenser info in address balances perhaps?
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we can use the uri--schema for working with freewallet
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i use this when in watch only mode
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Counterwallet requires counterblock backend… is too much code to maintain imo
I see the breaking of it as a blessing in disguise
Sorry lol -
is easy to work with
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True but could be a huge time suck for now
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yeah i found counterwallet a pain in that regard
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i made my web wallet lean into freewallet - so signed messages for sign in and then generate tx hex it can then be asked to sign or throw out links like send a asset via uri
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May not be worth it
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Cool ser thanks for it I think is the best path forward work with modern wallets
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yeah .. dispensers are big part .. if you can get /api/market/{asset}/{asset} then dex stuff can works
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Modern is not always the best in BTC world.
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Counterwallet
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That wallet is still good.
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The cardinal rule of "crypto" is never share your private keys and we're, unfortunately, in a situation where users are now routinely moving private keys across multiple web wallets. Not a good security practice. -
its on the sheet just needs a priority row21
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freewallet has trezor support - rarepepewallet.wtf has ledger
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I swear the reasons for counterblock to exist, why its broken, and what fixes it, are all related and we are probably overlooking the key. Worth investigating counterblock IMO.
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Replicate Jeremies issues or API? Same thing?
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Counter lock broked with the dispenser close thing
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If we replicate API will be replicating some of his issues
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I said that above yes. Jdog broke it recently.
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So stop arguing with me.
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Yo asked ser if was an affirmation remove the question mark
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You proved my point
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What the xchain feed does is provide additional value information alongside the general cp data - you might just wanna slide null into all those estimates so you don’t have to deal with what it takes to get the value info
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I don't have any problem just answering questions
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I guess also as per jdogs message in other channels, it’s coming back.
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He’s lurking here, trying to front run our progress.
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I meant the funds are safe.
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@ChiefSamyaza
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Trezor coming soon to rarepepewallet
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ChiefSamyaza in Official Counterparty Chat
Can you please post in the main CP channel that work is being done in the background, even tho I am silent. Even tho I have found the last year EXTREMELY challenging, I have done my best to try to remain calm and patient and focus on what is important "do the work"... that has not changed. Music and art are a huge part of why I do what I do, to provide a way for artists to create and express themselves, and while I might create artwork of a different kind (code/blockchain), I appreciate art in all forms... These 3 links go to artists and music that has keep me positive and working the past year... and are what I am listening to right now, to help power me through all this. Please everyone take a breath and lets focus on the positive... vibe with this music, or whatever music speaks to your heart, dance a bit, and lets realize this to shall pass... soon! Tribal Need https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuoFay4RgXTstakS4HLrybg Miss Monique https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClIIy-aQBXRi1OHupBcrjJw Sofi Tukker…
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J-Dog in Official Counterparty Chat
jeezus christ... STOP TRYING TO FUCKING HACK Freewallet into working... I am working on fixing shit... but gotta come here to tell pppl to just fucking stop for a minute!!!!! putting in different hostnames to point directly to individual servers in my infastrcuture is only going to cause MORE headaches... I took xchain.io down, and have NOT brought it back up for a reason... it say 9.62.0, has no numerics, is on wrong fork, etc... so MAYBE let me fix it... or at least, point to different stufff... dont' keep trying to use my shit, while I have said dont and I am working on it.... or I will be forced to take all the servers TRULY down... as in physically off... because you guys cant just chill for a bit longer!
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i thinking we need to verify the signed pubkeys for multisig - no one wants to make a p2sh with someone they dont know has privkey eh
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Repost for pin request -
Encrypted Sheet
CryptPad: end-to-end encrypted collaboration suite
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None
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i want more bitcoin in coutnerparty api please
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we dont have p2sh support
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if we can bitcoincreaterawtx then be nice
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thats how i was sweeping multisig dust was using a bitcoin api
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Talking about host3. Settings recommend in the room earlier
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someone saw it sorta worked so ppl started to use it
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Cloudflare has extensive internal caching systems so things when changed there can be slow to go live
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something like that would help yeah
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i dont know - i guess changes to core must be reflected or depreciated
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so signed pubkeys are validated before p2sh is made
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The system learning.
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i think p2sh support does not need bitcoin-cli createrawtransaction - think we can do it in browser
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coinb.in can make p2sh spends in broswer - but i not figured that bit out yet
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but is not needed to replace hextx if we use a flag there right?
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ColdCard does PSBTs so can have cold assets
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looks like api.counterparty.io is now down
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loads for me
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❤️
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oh weird
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shift+f5 still loads
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loading now, false alarm lol
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OK so I got a 2-of-3 and 3-of-5 signed public key to bip67 compliant 3type p2sh address building javascripts done .. i need to eat!
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get balances works good, its get asset info that sucks
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im instead filtering a get issuances call to get description
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it goes way faster
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"filters" : [{
"field" : "description",
"op" : "LIKE",
"value" : "IPFS:%"
},
{
"field" : "asset",
"op" : "IN",
"value" : ["IPFSPEPE", "SPAMP"]
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so you can replace IPFS with STAMP to get stamps
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I Do this for my ass: listings lol
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CIPs used to have funding address when John was about
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yeah and hed put a cost to fund the cip then he’d work on it
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Eheh assetic.io when you are curious
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it actually worked pretty well
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cips/cip-0010.md at master · CounterpartyXCP/cips
Counterparty Improvement Proposals. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/cips development by creating an account on GitHub.
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devs do something
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The XCP thats burned could be redirected? or is that a big no no
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Then bounties on CIPs seems reasonable and it used to work
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true we got maintenance to think of even if no cips are addd
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JDog has a donation thing in Freewallet - could offer same thing to users with community freewallet version that send to dev funds
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It seems to round it up a bit so as as not too create too many small utxos - i dont know the code well just seen it in settings and on txs on chain
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Yes but this causes problems...
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Some dispenser wasn't triggered for this reason
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ahh did not know that
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all outputs should trigger dispensers was a new update to the protocol i think
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so yo can multibuy is a good idea in theory but i dont know implications for protocol and tx scanning
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Yes but the problem was he was decreasing the Bitcoin send
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Is working ninja guys has it implemented
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DOH! so its a dev logic / maths problem not a protocol issue
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Yes
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hmm its a hack he added recently to his wallet ]
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I dont disagree - some db performance works would be nice. There are commercial operations atop counterparty who may wish to contribute?
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dickbutts are a tough sell ... even Rarepepes take some mind bending to accept as value
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btc should be possible tho direct from commerical operations who are earning it
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I hope not - many business make money from those dank memes ..i not idea on numbers but they not all doing it for nothing
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imo the problem isnt so much funding but developer time
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obvi they go hand in hand
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but the real thing we need is to get people interested in contributing outside of bounties here and there
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yep something like that is a great idea
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i hear you, but the problem in the past is people wanting to contribute funds but didnt know where it should go or whom it should go to
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if you have a developer and a specific idea of what to build then fund raise for that specific thing
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then no one is managing funds
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and it goes direct to the person building
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thats different from a bounty system tho
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where anyone can try to build the thing
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this would be “heres the thing im going to build, it costs x, so im fundraising for x"
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If people really wanna bounty can’t you do ‘gits for bits’ or whatever it’s called
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i hate bounties
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because you could end up having multiple people work on one thing and duplicating efforts
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then someone needs to judge if it was done well enough to release funding
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Logistics woe
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no one wants to manage funds
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so needs to go direct to dev
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who runs bitst.art? Bad ass.
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@uanbtc
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Counterparty runs on love (mainly) and sometimes drama
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That too
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Just stable rare pepes is a good start
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Could try the nakahoneypot model idea - cards are donated to be sold at auction proceeds used to pay a dev . dont auction till think its enough to get the require funds
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Well
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My vision and use case is supplemental to yours but not specifically currency, more so data and truth for me.
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Go far enough right on a horse shoe and your closer to the left.
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With a sealed protocol, all the devs can focus on their projects and they may be interoperable and fun their own dreams.
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this was not a false alarm - JDog just posted in Counterparty Dev chat about it
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i hear ya, i think the biggest issue is managing funds, no one wants to hold money and decide how it should be distributed, so thats the problem that needs to be solved
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Jdog got funding with his Token sales so yes i think there is some appetite there
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What work needs to be completed? Creating an updated xchain type browser with more modern architecture?
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Got it
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Lol
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It comes to funding. The protocol needs to be backed by solid capital -
Database etc are implementation details , not protocol right?
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but also that capital can’t dictate contentious changes
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it can be a bit of a catch-22
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sometimes people want to donate for a specific vision they have that does not align with general consensus
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Yeah ideally some lead emerge from the community and and the capital provider back them
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i think NFT collection sale to fund things is the best option
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because the buyers are getting something for their money
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so they’re funding dev work and speculating at the same time
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and crypto people love speculating
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we arent doing that
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its art!
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lol
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the token is the art
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its not “tokenizing” anything
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this is the new paradigm we live in
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thats the best part about NFTs, they are things not securities
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they dont represent anything
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they simply are
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and people collect them
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OP_RETURN API Support · CounterpartyXCP/cips · Discussion #132
CIP: XXX Title: OP_RETURN API Support Author: B0BSmith Discussions-To: ?? Status: Draft Type: ?? Created: 2024-1-12 Abstract Add the option to only return OP_RETURN data via the API Rationale Count...
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thanks @herpenstein i took your posr and made one too !
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Its a trap Hushmoney.org I’ll do some work for native tokens.
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We is counterparty as a protocol? Or a specific project?
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Maybe this was already shared, but I’m just blown away!
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You can check it out here 🐸👀 https://www.vivalavandal.biz/
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Just added an update so it shows the live information from xcp.dev below the asset, so you can see the dispenser balance 👍👀🐸
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chad -
LOL... talk about "loaded" language.
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hahaha
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where is that?
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I hope youre asking genuinely… Because the chat mentions this every 3 minutes and its a governance trap.
501(c3) registration and chasing fiat at all as an organization applies certain laws.
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so he hold 25,000 xcp give or take a few
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How california
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Banned from ‘official counterparty chat’ now
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The fix is in
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Shoulda kicked the socks off
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hahahaha
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can someone tweet that
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Carsonated has a fair point. This sort of looks like Counterparty is saying there is a need to find consensus, when Counterparty has consensus.
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this is a vote from a third party and not an official protocol request for vote, correct?
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