- 12 January 2024 (685 messages)
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As I'm usually quiet just trying to catch up, I'm bringing robot as useful contribution -
I wont vote in his 'personal' poll with control of a "Project Dev" claim as it lends validity to his grandstanding. Leading people to still believe he is at the helm for the sake of their holdings. -
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I do not feel in my heart of hearts that counterparty cannot come to a consensus, but rather that it cannot come to a consensus on what he deems valid to consent to
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gm
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Welcome
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Big fan. Quite the honor.
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sent you a DM ser -
i like the apply of Single Responsability principle we did this way in the stamps indexer where each service just do one thing less the explorer and api that are in the same service
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for what exactly? api and explorer? deno fresh
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Neutral, but a thought… Are we going out of our way to fix xchain in the process? Should we abandon the xchain/freewallet support idea all together for the benefit of the community??
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Come back if you want to bounce more ideas in this area. I dont want to sidetrack you with my ideas. Good work.
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A named stamper! Rtfo.
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Fixing counterblock and counterwallet by proxy?
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Counterparty2mysql is the black line in the middle for xchain
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I found this gem in the codebase today 😂
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Previous conversation where I wouldn’t allow the gas lighting and a friend comes up with a fix. https://t.me/Counterparty_Dev/9711mason in Official Counterparty Dev Chat
Logstash is your friend here imo
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A Blue One in Official Counterparty Dev Chat
Good for low volume. I just took a look at script. Maybe a cron job or webhook push after a new block to a script that dumps the sqlite? Looping through is nice but here we are. Dump sqllite to MySQL then cleanup in MySQL after.
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I’ve been trying everyone
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Quick solution from @vm_ea
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That was January 5
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What version of tcp/ip are we on? Hint hint.
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🤦♂️ all this nonsense over a database optimization, I mean I can run an LLM that contains a pretty full body of world knowledge on my iphone with good speed.
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how big is this database?
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LMAO
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no way
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yes 8gb....
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I really though it must be like over 100gb or something
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On 10 mins block
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hahaha
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sorry, only half caught up on the actual issue.
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David Pissarra (@davidpissarra) on X
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really my bad, it’s like comparing apples and dinosauer bones or something, 2 different types of things.
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They have an agenda.
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And it’s not spam
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Welcome
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all the sql queries might be harder to recreate in postgres/mysql but heh there’s ways around that
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And someone who can drive
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Fluent Bit v3.0 Documentation | 3.0 | Fluent Bit: Official Manual
High Performance Telemetry Agent for Logs, Metrics and Traces
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the test suite will help expose that as well
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probably right
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Keep it in mind though with every character change.
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A Blue One in Official Counterparty Chat
He was tinkering with what was already there.
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Sorry my statements come off to some of you as harsh. If you want clarification, please ask.
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respectfully, I have already asked you for clarification in a DM.
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Knew it was you
- 13 January 2024 (674 messages)
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y’all talking about counterparty yet it literally sparked a billion dollar NFT craze, we sold a rare pepe at sotheby’s for $3.65mil, measuring a protocol on the amount of development isnt giving you the whole picture -
lol
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Respectfully, this is open source software development. We can speak in the open and have already. Scroll up for my answer and stop sliding the topic and filling up the chat with politics. Got something to say, say it. I don’t have to respond and you dont speak for me.
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you should build an alternate implementation then
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you dont need support you can just build it
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if its in consensus and better then people will use it
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not sure what you’re asking, why wouldnt anyone support you doing something like that or do you mean financial support
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gotcha, well normally you dont need a cosign, you just do it in the open
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Work in the server side rendered xcpdev, integrated with the fednode, already started!
Working proof of concept: https://mdx315cagk.execute-api.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
Repo: https://github.com/CNTRPRTY/xcpdev-ssr
Fednode integration branch: https://github.com/CNTRPRTY/federatednode/tree/xcpdev-ssrGitHub - CNTRPRTY/xcpdev-ssrContribute to CNTRPRTY/xcpdev-ssr development by creating an account on GitHub.
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i just saw that!
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i remember the name but i dont know if i ever had any interactions with him
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FOSS
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I’m looking forward to a true LTS version.
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federatednode-counterparty-1 | [2024-01-13 04:41:20][INFO] Broadcast: bc1q0nhd5hqq04ds4ny7kfm35cxjzdm7g2rp3srg8l at 2023-12-11T06:53:00+00:00 with a fee of 0.0%% (071156b43179415a44deffd028711bd83075772df69e2ffc8f26fbd9c5630135) [valid]
federatednode-counterparty-1 | [2024-01-13 04:41:20][INFO] Broadcast: bc1q0nhd5hqq04ds4ny7kfm35cxjzdm7g2rp3srg8l at 2023-12-11T07:01:00+00:00 with a fee of 0.0%% (1a4fb9ef7fc3f4a4c8a022bedd1b192f17478965739ffe0626f3684b65d9d8db) [valid]
federatednode-counterparty-1 | [2024-01-13 04:41:20][INFO] Broadcast: bc1q0nhd5hqq04ds4ny7kfm35cxjzdm7g2rp3srg8l at 2023-12-11T07:02:00+00:00 with a fee of 0.0%% (8fa55c5a6a1c7aa826c8c986ca76498694c436ae5f974296879a88b6f2513abe) [valid]
federatednode-counterparty-1 | [2024-01-13 04:41:20][INFO] Broadcast: bc1q0nhd5hqq04ds4ny7kfm35cxjzdm7g2rp3srg8l at 2023-12-11T07:16:00+00:00 with a fee of 0.0%% (1bb15b6ea18daea487448d3df528c6a08184c979db2072cc50eedf8e0ab6aa3a) [valid]
federatednode-counterparty-1 | [2024-01-13 04:41:20][INFO] Broadcast: bc1q0nhd5hqq04ds4ny7kfm35cxjzdm7g2rp3srg8l at 2023-12-11T07:19:00+00:00 with a fee of 0.0%% (b1493465df89729d9f14009f69841b8df9227abea7fe76cbccb2712865cc6985) [valid]
federatednode-counterparty-1 | [2024-01-13 04:41:20][INFO] Broadcast: bc1qgzz7zr8t7jrhngzqfnz94s8metdr48w6pshhqs at 2023-12-11T06:47:00+00:00 with a fee of 0.0%% (bece08479e42ec59b2bbacc0760d3489840cc7f35d73c44a6e585b9e66f67e71) [invalid: feed timestamps not monotonically increasing]
federatednode-counterparty-1 | [2024-01-13 04:41:20][INFO] Broadcast: bc1qz26y3yxtpqgn44502mpp8evcpn8e7nc2yf7gxq at 2023-12-11T06:48:00+00:00 with a fee of 0.0%% (1e3e4ff894c9d28f142ddd560f88d54b580013711786ee7023b007ba1ce66086) [invalid: feed timestamps not monotonically increasing]
federatednode-counterparty-1 | [2024-01-13 04:41:20][INFO] Block: 820674 (56.40s, hashes: L:256c4 / TX:8dc70 / M:49e46) -
so the problem is stamps.... i didnt see any block with stamps tx that takes all this time in parse... block full of BTNS broadcasts...
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56 secs when all the blocks are taking normally 5, 6, 7 secs
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lets see when i get to the Rats mint but lol i think it will take less...
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hahaha... wow... -
incredible
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totally incredible
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btw, I don't mean to derail a technical discussion as this is off-topic, but I'm watching these 3 videos from 2018 and they have a lot of relevance to current day and reveal a history I was completely unaware of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyM8sx4JNUECounterparty Forks, Counterparty Foundation, and Consensus Failures (Part 1/3)
Intro/Outro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfE1tWZjxv0 Part 1/3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyM8sx4JNUE Part 2/3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkfer0-SdWc Part 3/3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjv8B7gSqxY References https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-VkIOjpFe6yX19B1FBhUOwCTEl0GLgeaAuDH1G7SZiM/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/13b2N8q0SnBpmLXpMJhFrK6UonaEvaT29m7iXdpjfKDk/edit?usp=sharing https://counterpartytalk.org/t/to-fork-or-not-to-fork-this-is-the-question/4233 https://counterpartytalk.org/t/whole-lotta-larpn-goin-on/4293 https://counterpartytalk.org/t/the-state-of-the-counterparty-project/4332 https://xchain.io/address/18BfbQ8kXcL8dwjYmX5fhyZs1YefxLFHG9
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fwk also seems my node has lost consensus with xcp.dev
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if i trigger a reparse would it fix it?
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This is great
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trip down memory lane!
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A Blue One in Official Counterparty Chat
I have asked before months ago but it went unanswered, is there an official xchain chat?
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So the funny thing about this is that JDog actually WANTED us to migrate SRC20 to broadcasts. That's why he wrote the BTNS protocol. Had we done that, xchain would have died months ago, it seems.
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Is BTNS a competitor to or an extension to Counterparty's token system?
As the CIP editor my first reaction was to reject the CIP but I gave it the benefit of the doubt.
What do you think?
https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/blob/master/cip-0028.mdcips/cip-0028.md at master · CounterpartyXCP/cipsCounterparty Improvement Proposals. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/cips development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Ok i leave the BTNS proposal as "Draft". The alternative would be status "Deferred".
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BTNS is JDog20 (brc20/src20) he wants to be king of the hill
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Informational CIPs explain ways to use the protocol, eg how wallets/ exolorers can make sense of json files or stamps.
Standards CIPs are for protocol updates. -
cips/cip-0001.md at master · CounterpartyXCP/cips
Counterparty Improvement Proposals. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/cips development by creating an account on GitHub.
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"i reject your reality and substitute my own"
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"Reasons for denying CIP status include duplication of effort, being technically unsound, not providing proper motivation or addressing backwards compatibility, or not in keeping with the Counterparty philosophy (as determined by a majority of the project maintainers as defined below)."
The latter is why i considered rejecting it. Counterparty is built around one name system/token standard. It is unclear if BTNS builds on top of this or is a competing standard ??? -
'technically unsound'
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It could be viewed as an attempt to usurp
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it ticks all the boxes n not in a good way
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these token networks are virtual blockchains built atop the most secure base layer, they use btc due to its security/immutability. src20 requires keyburn to guarantee utxoset residence
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btns is jdogs vision
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I believe so and plans to have it run cross chain.. so can be used even cheaper on Doge but with ultimate single indexer that he gonna build
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he never built a tool to reclaim multisig dust which if he is someone that really cared for the utxoset bloat he would have made long long ago
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its Greed I think
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jdog was in charge of cips so they became his fiefdom too to some extent
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jpja only recently got that role
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it's OK your asking all the right question it seems/feels
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stamp are art ... btns competes with src20 brc20
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on a technical level/basis
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art I know it's subjective lol
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no xcp fee correct
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they use that baremultisig tho so can keyburn
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but btns doesnt
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last few years have been controversial to the earlier members in this chat to varying degrees
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yeah apparently that was the reason publicly
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jdog loved stamp at the start .. he built a web site aka a directory for named stamps was fully on-board but I don't know what then triggered him to do btns ... it was like I know better than you n this is how it will be done
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that was my feels
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exactly
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directories (websites) make their own rules ..rares and fakerares is where it stems from
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so rarepepes had the fakerares meme in 2016 and you had to burn pepecash to get listed.. anyone was accepted unless was outright nazi offence stuff
fake rares appeared in 2020 znd is heavily curated
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I will go further to say rarepepes was decentralised team of scientists apparently or at the end ...fakerares is more centralised around scilla n his crew I think, and stamps well Mike is the face
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so it gets more centralised over time until btns which is just jdog
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Lol 5/6 individuals is not really dectentral at all in fact I’d say that is very centralised
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is why I said apparently.. it was mostly rare Mike not spaceMike we now come to understand
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correct me if am wrong but that is what I believe I have seen over time
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Who is rare Mike
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who made rarepepe?
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You mean nola78 Mike?
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yeah not spaceMike
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I am crap with names sometimes
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I vote to keep spacemike as official terminology
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both are very successful counterparty uses ..they almost as successful as Mr Exchange dispenser
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Never heard of the Nola Mike being called raremike before asides from confused coit ramblings I’m sure there was a dude with that username once but, maybe I just missed that nickname or something tho
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:)
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regarding Mr Exchange dispenser ... instead of fixing the definition of the word empty counterparty had its hands tied behind its back
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in my opinion
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so a guy put a dispenser on a exchange address ... his tokens got spread far and wide to mostly users who had no idea they were "buying" them as they just depositing to a CeX
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Oxbt has a good distro lol
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Arguable most fair launch token
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he won the game 'dispensers" n jdog didn't like it
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Beahahahahahhahaha
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Yeh surprised this didn’t get filtered from listings tbf
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cue more use of the word spam n much muh database tears
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jdogs censorship rules are anything but consistent
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it's left up to be pointed at as reason to justify his actions I expect
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they joke about it
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Will these clog the db of heavy description?
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Nah
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They get banged a lot on a mint tho I guess
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Hmmm yeh it’s kinda swings and roundabouts huh
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No fees on broadcast and no desire to add them pre-emptively. 🤷♂️
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I Feel like All use should be welcomed and adds to
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that was from Counterparty chat
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in Counterparty it felt like Jdogs way or the highway
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sure he would have open door to discuss things but he had all the "keys"
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gatekeeper what
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But well within his right, he was also missold decentral (by literally running all the thing ) and recent events have ushered more decentralisation so let’s not miss seeing the silver around these clouds
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It has been a wooohsah moment
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I don't mean to sound like a whinging bitch .. call me that if you want idk... but is important the co-founders are brought up to speed
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we here for Counterparty period
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No gif of Martin Lawrence rubbing his earlobe apologies
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I didn't mean you .. there are socks present apparently
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I never thought you would your words seem carefully chosen
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ty but I think you now know and at least have a much better appreciation
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yeah my perspective is not the only one
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you use some great words too .. had to reach for the dictionary 👍
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another idea up for discussion
https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/discussions/133Custom Outputs · CounterpartyXCP/cips · Discussion #133CIP: XXX Title: Custom Outputs Author: B0BSmith Discussions-To: ?? Status: Draft Type: ?? Created: 2024-1-12 Abstract Add the option to have custom outputs in a tx Rationale Counterparty has "...
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Does anyone know - where dividend fees and sweep fees part of the original protocl ?
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4000 stamps in a block are you sure?
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thats too many sigops to be true
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they were broadcasts no ?
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yeah broadcasts they not stamps
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np
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yeah they dont even hide in base64 json - pure text
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all blocks used to take tthat long to parse until recently was why bootstrap was the only way anyone could catch up
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but we still here lol
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Several times, I noticed the problem with multi-send and these high tx fees. It seemed to me that free wallet allowed the user to set the price for only one out of the two transactions. There's a setting in the wallet where the user can dial in a minimum fee but it has a maximum value which is well below the requirement. This results in multisend not working. Is that a freewallet bug something with counterparty?
Are we forking freewallet?
You all know Jeremy left WabData tracking on when he cloned chrome to make fw? He denied that his application was storing private keys as plain text auto complete. Said I was making baseless personal attacks only to patch it seven months later.
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you can set fees on the 2nd tx if you use CP API but not in freewallet - even so its not good as users broadcasst tx1 and tx2 fails due to tx1 not being on CP Node mempool - more utxo bloat with no fix
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Have you guys seen the electrum tools that jpja made? If not I'll find you a link
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yet i am the baddie for utxo bloat
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we want a cp node with 4gb memepool plz
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i have a lot of javascript but it needs a api to function atop of
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was built on xchain apis
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i can run my own 4gb memepool and probably will but community node needed as its a wallets source of truth
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Imho, Ideally the explorer and wallet would be one desktop program which also allows somebody to become a full node
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freewallet community edition in fednode and convet to run in browser ?
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it kinda does anyway just another docker thing ?
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I shared some links with Juan in a DM with my wallet code and he said it looks awesome and asked me to get on his git and work on his wallet repo which i will try to do - first job is to get his wallet using the more recent mnemonicv1.1
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Counterwallet is very important IMO
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I’ll live with CLI and API
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Publish a list of good public nodes.
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You could have a customisable select box, pre filled with advised nodes but able to change/ remove/add to list too
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Language is getting me here. I think it is time to sunset the word ‘freewallet’ into the history books.
Counterwallet Lite? -
ack!
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Users downloading wrong freewallet, the mobile freewallet is abandoned, duncan had beef w freewallet too I think. Freewallet defaults to donating to jdog…..
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Should, due to the nature of the beast, a reference wallet be essential ?
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This is not the place to argue over semantics. Please contribute, don't control
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I see your point
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Bob not duncan
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This is the place for semantics duncan
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Not needed I agree. A big plus to the stack and benefit to the community.
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I had concern over a major security hole which may or may not have been intentional.
Yes it has a bad brand name. It is what it is called tho
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Now thats constructive. Thanks duncan for the clarification.
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Freewallet supports trezor, so if used in that way its not as big a security risk - but requires user education - but we have users openly addmitting to having million dollar hot freewallets
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In this scenario, the name is my issue. I believe in this groups ability to deliver.
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Too many dead google results to correct. A new search term wins web viewers.
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Counterwallet Desktop sounds nice
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we can fix up seed storage to be aes encrypted on disk too
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add ability to reclaim multisig dust too
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so I pay for my computer and pay for my xcp and now you want me to pay to use my xcp on my computer
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you knew it was controversial
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but is good discussion to have
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I waiting to know about dividends n Sweeps before I open discussion on removing them fees on github
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xcp is dex fuel
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and antisquat
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which for xcp is the dex .. no rugspencers
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I still like xcp dispensers tho ..am I weird?
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who do you pay to use bitcoin ser?
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itz more like to the electric company
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I host all your txs rent free
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you seen the price of hard drives the last 50 years
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this is true
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yeah it's a great discussion to have
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I try hard not to keyboard on a Saturday so am gonna step away
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/local host and CLI support would be world class. If anyone is working on or researching counterwallet, care to share your thoughts?
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Bookmark for later.
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Pay w xcp or pay to get xcp?
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The reward is knowing the truth. Verifying not trusting.
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True. I would say the vote consists of a pool of one eligible voter, your node.
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Leather etc
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I think
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I think those web3 in browser wallets all use the same libraries and require psbt txs
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You can’t sign a full tx in them you can only sign the partials or smth like that
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It was a disappointing rabbit hole to go
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Deffo not asides from counterwallet
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Everyone would need to follow the API rules, which they haven’t been doing lately.
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Channel too noisy, @me when I’m needed
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Yes that's without bootstrap
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As was the first time I did that I would prefere to create my bootstrap for the future
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I’m multitasking here sorry.
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Can anyone provide a list of the node stack protocol dependencies as is currently being proposed?
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Any plans to support native counterparty assets? Like a named stamp?
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this room is currently for protocol development. it is not to be used to facilitate personal projects or direct a narrative. thanks for understanding
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Yes
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when the dust settles? sure. but please everyone be mindful of the space we share. deep gratitude everyone
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Stamps-related CIPs were all JDog. His attempt to “embrace and extend” the protocol.
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10 BTC worth of dust I think
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I’m not a fan of the gas idea but I did like the suggestion of in wallet or distributed explorer.
Random idea but if gas comes into play what about a system that lets node runners make 0 gas txs and charges these fees for casual users.
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Too many Mikes!
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For those of you who did not see this in the other rooms
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An update: For anyone not familiar, I'm one of the three original Counterparty co-founders, and was active in code development for the project especially in the 2014-2016/2017 timeframe. For the last good number of years though, my interests have led me to a totally different field, and life has happened (wife, kids, etc). I've maintained the github "owner" role of the Counterparty-related repositories for years, and in the absence of time to write code, have helped behind the scenes with resolving interpersonal conflicts and keeping someone at the wheel working on the project and fixing bugs.
Recently we've had some changes, such as j-dog leaving the project development team and Adam and Evan coming back into the community. I've polled the current "dev team" (Joe, JP and Shannon Code) and they are all in favor of Adam being given commit access again. I will be doing this shortly, as well as removing myself from dev team access, as having it is no longer necessary. Adam being back on the team and having the time to work on things will add a lot to the project!
I will continue to lurk in these chats (for the memes, if nothing else). After ten years, It's great to see that Counterparty is still around with a dedicated community. I wish the project the best of luck moving forward. -
The help JDog provided (and it was no small thing) was decoding the base64 on xchain so the art would show. We did appreciate that as it definitely helped make Stamps “real”
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None
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Exactly. Counterparty didn’t require changes at all
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lol rare mike is a different mike, i miss uncle mike
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the idea has been brought up by several others who also thought of it, but the notion is that not all bounties need to be for protocol development. Extending the idea outwards to other disciplines, like marketing. If a number of people go in on a billboard near/during Bitcoin Nashville, that improves counterparty. (if we are ready for an influx of noobs and are confident in our ability to scale)
There are other things I want to say on the topic, but in this setting right now, the relevance is that there should be a clearer distinction of what is needed to be funded for critical infrastructure development, feature creep, and an avenue to pursue for community funds directed at other "improvements."
Ive learned over the last few days that the counterparty culture has been to adapt the lingo of bitcoin devs when there are occasions that the implementation is simply wrong. CIP25 should not have been a CIP in name. Thinks (meant things but I like the typo) like that make it harder for general/casual users to differentiate -
yes this is what helped ordinals to be so successful so quickly
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Interesting… not sure I see it that way at all. Ordinals went parabolic when the custodial solutions appeared removing the friction. They have a great meme which is why I think they succeeded
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yes ord runs on top of bitcoin rpc and leverages the bitcoind wallet, it also has a webserver built in
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so its command line but its not a “separate” wallet
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i think that structure could probly work well for counterparty too
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let bitcoind handle key storage etc and simple pass whatever data is necessary to build the counterparty tx via rpc
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another great thing about ord is the prebuilt binaries
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so anyone can just launch it with bitcoind running and you’re off to the races
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i would def suggest checking out ord @teysol if you havent
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its very simplistic and well designed
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GitHub - ordinals/ord: 👁🗨 Rare and exotic sats
👁🗨 Rare and exotic sats. Contribute to ordinals/ord development by creating an account on GitHub.
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ehh i wouldnt call it custodial
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the market places are just holding psbts, they arent holding any funds
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custodial means holding someone elses funds
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so there must be a better word lol
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bulletin board
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order book?
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order relay
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can someone solve me this question? if i trigger a reparse in fednode would it verify all tx and change hashes?
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