- 11 January 2024 (508 messages)
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check out emblem curated collections on opensea -
we been mooning
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exactly
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$500,000 rarepepe was a moon -
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its the best place to find good deals on rare pepes
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one question i have, what are the implications of the ETFs approved with counterparty? as it was thought to be like a stock market, is it possible to beneffit of this inside xcp? -
rarepepewallet.com has a big board you can check out
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plus you can look at activity of all the emblem curated collections on opensea/looksrare
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dispensers have taken over a lot of late but rugspencer tech means rarepepe dispenses are a big risk
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we need to design psbts for trading, its what helped ordinal market activity rocket
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plus if we can incorporate ordinal theory into counterparty we can leverage all those marketplaces as well
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lol right when i open the landing page. there's nothing like crypto
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it hasnt changed much since 2017
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keeps putting along
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coincidentally it runs direct from node, all counterparty calls are through the API so i switched it to a 9.61.1 node and no problems
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i am working on a brokered p2sh multisig
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sick
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with lil ollie
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stops the scammers somewhaty
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i not using bip67 for reasons
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sounds kinda like openbazaar style
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its centralised around a broker but lil ollie has built up the contacts - he just needs better tools
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it opens the door tonew way to transact with btc in a safe way
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its p2sh i am going to work on now i cant play stamp dex
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with modern wallet
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so it actually supplat btcpay dex
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yes
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and faster than btcpay
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psbts are a threat to my idea lol
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but i welcome them
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psbts will rocket xcp
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you will be able to buy any asset in one tx without been risked to be frontrunned
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included XCP
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is one way, @hodlencoinfield has another idea with send of ID=0 will need to be studied
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we gonna need a bigger school - ppl will get screwed due to lack of education i expect
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as it is sending the asset with a small dust if i have understanded it well and this opens this door too
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yes ser but we oppen the door to actually graduated guys too so when they realized that there are sell oportunities ther they will learn faster and ideally this will just require to press a button
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yeah i love the idea - i said psbts a long long time ago for atomic swaps trades
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we need to investigate more with the propossal that @hodlencoinfield has
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not yet i think, just a gist explaining the idea to be investigated
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this
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yeah so i was reading more about script sigs and i think what i put together doesnt actually work
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but
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i think it is still possible
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maybe need a new escrow ?
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but we might need a new send type that allows a different address input to specify the receiver
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yes possible with a new creative send type
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Well the timechain is the proof. Maybe that is the only 1 transaction.
I had my node. Didn’t like the reset implementation (still don’t, it should be either removed or modified), so I didn’t upgrade. Also was learning about everything, so was curious about how the software reacted.
And I did that issuance before the block activation, but was mined after.
Maybe others had nodes. But it seems I was the only one trying to continue using the old version.
In my personal opinion, the issuance id thing should get fixed all the way. Out of principle, people doing issuances in the old format should continue being valid.
Is not like the code doesn’t know how to parse them. It has to, to be able to parse all that was written before the fork -
since traditional sends separate receiver from asset and qty into two different outputs it should def be possible to allow the buyer to specify themselves as a receiver while the seller specifies both asset qty and sell price
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so it would require two inputs by the seller, one would be dust that specifies asset and quantity, sighash single anyone can pay
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the second would be dust that then specifies the sell price in the output that makes it valid (like how psbts work for ordinals)
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sign it in a way that both pairs are required to be valid then just have seller specify their address to receive asset, that can even be the first output so they are ordered the same way
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Almost. Not yet.
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please if you found interesting docs dont hesitate in sharing here or with me in DM please
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You know all you need. Sleep on it. Touch grass, get some sun.
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we never know enough
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I wonder ... does pepepawn shop run a node? or are they part of pepe.wtf?
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btc cant use btc on dex
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well you can but its a faff
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my p2sh is 3 txs
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i doing it on chain with multisig
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You mean like my named asset stamp that predates the stamp protocols by 10 days?
Edit: but leaving it, I may have mis interpreted your statement. -
thats above my pay grade
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Think more on this.
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You have said this many times. Glad to see you get the right audience.
A project needs LTS to survive. -
thats a really good point
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i didnt even consider that
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should probly focus on something like ordinal envelopes to bind to a utxo
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thats what i consider to be the best way to preserve counterparty going forward, a two way peg with utxos either by txid or satid
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it becomes almost a permisionless emblem vault
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i prefer utxos than sats but yes
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gives users the ability to not have to depend on future counterparty development
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im leaning that way because it can be done with the current tech stack
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yes is preferible
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and then we can create a standard for inscriptions so marketplaces can display
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but that would be separate from the actual consensus protocol which wouldnt need inscriptions at all
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I won't waste my time n will wait .. got an army of rpi devices
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@uanbtc what are your thoughts on sending assets to utxos
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The fednode could have optional satoshi tracking. Why not? 🐸
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Do descriptions change or require rewriting with that tx type?
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yes it can im not against that but sending in utxos is like the same approach and doesnt require to add more services to fednode right?
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at the end when you track a sat you send it in a utxo
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Haven’t used it. But it helped me understand what you are doing
Eventually, I would like to get off AWS entirely and have sovereign distributed infra. -
I've been meaning to build a small homelab setup capable of running my own nodes etc -
Like runes you mean?
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Oh I was not like arguing. Just following up with that comment
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no for sure me neither ser
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but it doesnt require for tracking utxos add more services to the fednode
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also should be easy to add another function to the cp-lib api to ask for utxos from a wallet too
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i dont know enough about runes, but makes sense it would be done that way
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Like ordinals is awesome. I believe Casey is kind of a genius for the strategy of launching satoshi tracking with taproot data envelopes at the exact same time.
But
The inscription numbers and the arbitrary “this data belongs to the 1st satoshi” is very deceptive. It belongs to ALL the satoshis if anything. I believe.
And the numbers, then how can you call yourself the fist “inscription”? Didn’t @jp_janssen wrote an image in the timechain 7 years before?
Then let’s track those satoshis also. Hell we can track all the satoshis of all the asset issuance transactions and start trading those
I like that Counterparty is address based and virtual. Is 100% social agreement straight. Not arbitrary rules.
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TLDR: I’m a fan of the content written by ord. Not so much of being tied to the first satoshi and breaking Bitcoin’s fungibility because of an arbitrary accounting system tied to this content
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What is a named stamp bound to?
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A LTS version.
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Example: stamps as a collection currently ignoring protocol fields etc. Do base64 on counterparty properly and everyone wins.
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yea im leaning away from sats and just using utxos as addresses
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switched memepool reference to xcpdev from xchain
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You understand proper FOSS.
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Oh I like your style. You’re chasing dependencies. There are threads in the chats and github. Search for segwit and focus on the counterparty dependencies as they stack. You’ll find it.
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All caught up, in this chat. Wow what a read. Now to get back to my real life.
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Have we offered a public api for transactions and pushed a notice to the public? Api.Counterparty.io looks to be official in documentation but not sure under who’s control.
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Unless dns can change
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Ish
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In a pinch
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at the end unlesh we run the node in a decentrilized cloud like arkash or icp will be in hands of someone
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Think he said multi platform
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Nah I think like alongisde cp but maybe I’m
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He did say about multi chain for btns in general for sure but I mean just on the xchain stuff - anywho be interesting to see it all roll
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BTNS is half fixing the current counterparty issues but in a different, wrong direction. Ignoring the devs in this chat for months.
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Btns autocorrects to buns which might also lead to some smiles
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more like brc20
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i dont know about that, i dont think hes doing cross chain swaps or anything like that
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Yeh it’s stamping a bit of base64 json but in a broadcast if I have the right idea
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But i think only due to parsing and Indexoors, but it has to be like that anyway i guess cause it’s incriptiony- but it sounds like there will be locking on one chain and releasing on another type setup
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Love it! Then this would be useful, started by @jp_janssen
https://github.com/CNTRPRTY/xcpdev/blob/main/src/decode_tx.jsxcpdev/src/decode_tx.js at main · CNTRPRTY/xcpdevOpen Counterparty Bitcoin Data Explorer - DIY Node - CNTRPRTY/xcpdev
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Now apply that back to counterparty re:named stamps and what do we have?
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Look whos bypassing the purpose of xcp.
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Being in the broadcast somehow helps to Mek it smol
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Weave in a little src-721
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Got to put a fee on broadcasts to prevent spam lol
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Well
No I think more like nesting into something XCP does -
And counterparty protocol is on fire
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I cant tell. Dudes on a spaces talking about it but the server and docs are down.
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IIRC the brc20 model has to use issuances to rename it the data in and I think this separates ‘all the data’ from just the metarequired to make subsequent txs smoller
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https://github.com/jdogresorg/Broadcast-Token-Naming-System
No mention of xcpGitHub - jdogresorg/Broadcast-Token-Naming-System: Broadcast Token Naming System (BTNS) specs, docs, and toolsBroadcast Token Naming System (BTNS) specs, docs, and tools - jdogresorg/Broadcast-Token-Naming-System
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Oh yeah my goal would be to make the repo fork so much better that then it makes sense for the official repo to either slim down to the most core parts of the protocol, or absorb the whole thing
I think there is value in maybe leaving the official repo as the place for OTHERS to reach protocol agreement. The CIPs and discussions.
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counterparty-core
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i think a new repo makes a lot of sense
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Governance
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would go a long way to showing counterparty as being decentralized
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!!!
Honored to be given the OG Counterparty logo!!!
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it was either that or the react logo lol
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yea im all for that
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would be nice to get xcp.dev into the fednode which i think we discussed before
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Yeah is happening. At least in CNTRPRTY/federatednode
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Yeah that is why the fednode is so awesome
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countrwallet broken I think .. didnt like new dispenser stuff
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@hodlencoinfield this don't load still
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yes pretty strange...
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I thought it needed 962 till I learnt how it didn't
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was the hex generated by 962?
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no was generated in 961
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just was readed by 962 and deducted xcp in 862 ledger
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yeah .. was a good educational experience
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totally
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Mobile is the real problem. Pushing an extremely old version still.
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will look into it, focusing right now on getting rarepepewallet.wtf back up
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its probly just a parsing issue for memepool
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soon yes 🫡 -
but yes, pawnshop drops are inside pepe.wtf
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I've been using xchain until now, telling myself to set up a node for months, guess I just needed an apocalipsis
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The masses are so misguided. 😞
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They need a news post
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I think an official statement from core devs would be great .. dunno if that's the done thing ? 🤔
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what is this answering for ser?
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thanks for response.. in that case I don't think it would help at all
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code is the speach we need
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JP tweeted something this AM and i retweeted it
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Shall we ask for it if we finally add the fee? -
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Well sorry for this, lets not Talk about the fee yet haha
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Coordinate. Time it. Work in dm.
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Point to a central neutral static reference.
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BTNS. Different topic.
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so everyone on board with adding XCP fee to broadcasts to stop the spam?
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sorry just jokes
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lol
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Take a poll?
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gotta be able to laugh at these situations
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no ser we are voting with XCP stake
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Brb gotta pump my vote democratically.
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we can burn xcp for voting most xcp burned more votes
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wouldnt be too hard for me lol
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i spent all mine on pepes
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The real skin in the game is determined by how much XCP you spent over the years - maybe
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Not how much you horde how much liquidity you were how much tax you actually paid smth smth smth
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Every time I buy xcp
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I end up with rare pepes and no xcp
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I’ve accepted it
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Anyone have that list of verified dispensers handy?
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in a way i think owning pepes or stamps or other collectible assets is actually more skin in the game then xcp
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but i might just think that cause it benefits me lol
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I need to run to the fiat mine now.
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Will dev for XCP.
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Will mediate for BTC.
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@XJA77 will you trade a frok for a pepelama?
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Yeh I’m sure for most it reflects that their token value outweighs thier XCP HODL value
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for sure ser
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sweet I will post to dex ... but can't till tomorrow afternoon
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Where you been? Caught up on this chat?
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getting there with xcp
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90% of the last 10 blocks got Counterparty data
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https://t.me/Counterparty_Dev/1385 I brought up Swagger in 2022 to mixed reception. Glad to see you here. Great job.A Blue One in Official Counterparty Dev Chat
https://swagger.io/tools/swagger-ui/ This link is not exactly db related but I wouldn’t do that without doing swagger first, if I were you two. My two sats.
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@juan fresh dm from me.
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Heh treated well I see
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its a long story but the short version is no.
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You found us
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Could Counterparty API be run on a Raspiblitz? .. be nice to point your wallet to your own node 🤔
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when starting developing the indexer for stamps, i was playing with running it on a rapbi and it worked, just using cp node externally and quicknode for bitcoin, i think that with external btc node could work
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but is not fast jajajaja
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i point him here jaja
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Not too many more. Be selective please.
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running on a rasp
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if they dont agree and follow the rules in the description we can boot them out
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but i didnt test the whole counterpartylib, just the indexer for stamps but as cp-lib has more things is why i believe will be slower
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I got the Rpi5 but raspiblitz is not there yet .. Next release they say 2 weeks .. then you got 8gb ram which may help ?
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i didnt test in rap5 just the 3 with 2gb ram
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i was tempted to buy one rap5 but at the end i bought a minipc
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with the bootstrap I think it could be viable
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in a rasp5 i think so yes
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m2 ssd adaptor coming too
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@ChiefSamyaza Do you get it yet?
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I have been listening to Fireside Chat with J-Dog AMA for the last 40 minutes.
"Spamming of numerics that Counterparty can handle, that XChain can't"
At least that got stated clearly.
J-Dog has remained insistent on fees for numerics to be turned on, and is now floating the idea of a fundraising campaign for XChain to once again support numerics. ("It's a flag, turn it back on")
States his commitment to work on turning XChain back on, minus numerics for the time being, after a mental health break in Vegas. -
Responding to a question, about people's ability to move their assets wholesale in Freewallet.
Describing how to sweep assets.
"Pretty sure you can still sweep with xchain down"
That did not sound completely reassuring.
IMHO shouldn't be talking about moving assets "out of FreeWallet" without everyone on there having a broader context of what that means.
Best thing for people to do right now is NOTHING!? -
J-Dog says let the community advise where he should point domains, socials, etc., e.g. if there is a community controlled foundation.
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He just got back from a scuba trip now vegas? To each their own.
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Adam McBride co-hosting, wrapping things up now. Acknowledging and thanking J-Dog.
Spaces recording should be available later.
In closing, J-Dog states he does have confidence in the three core devs.
Even though he disagrees with their decisions right now, he thinks they are going to do what is best for Counterparty now, and will be the future for Counterparty.
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Sweep is a protocol feature. He knows it, just didn’t choose the right words
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Thanks for these summaries haha
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sweep is a tx freewallet builds locally? no xchain needed ?
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Oh boy… that spaces…. let’s have a vote with xcp but let’s not have a vote with xcp… but this one time it’s an emergency… I trust the core devs… will make the right decision… there is only one right decision being the subtext -
mindboggling really, especially as many of the people on the spaces are reacting to xchain and freewallet suddenly going unavailable, but have no clue about the fundamental issues playing out here
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Thanks for the tldr
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I hate when spaces are done during working hours
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so couldn't make it
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rarepepewallet.wtf is back up in case anyone uses that
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i found if you’re a little creative with API calls you can get good response time
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should be, yes, I was just surprised that J-Dog could not state that with confidence... the pressure of the last few days clearly eroding his certainty of his mental models of dependencies
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you can sweep in rarepepewallet.wtf fwiw
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and transfer assets
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good to know, will advise anyone who asks about sweeping
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the xcp fee estimation may be off
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it switched to dynamic fee and the calc isnt included
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i can add that if anyone knows what it is off the top of their head
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or wants to check
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Sweep is 0.5
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nice ledger hww wallet support back!
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i gotta do the dishes and clean up the kitchen before my wife gets home 😩
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not anymore
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used to be
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its dynamic now
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I was looking at this the other day will see if I can refind it quick
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super easy to add i just didnt have time to look it up
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Oh, I didn’t know
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total_fee = int(balances_count * antispamfee * 2 + issuances_count * antispamfee * 4)
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Sweep new fee by pataegrillo · Pull Request #1274 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib
Counterparty Protocol Reference Implementation. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib development by creating an account on GitHub.
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what is antispamfee set to?
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wow
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what the hell would it cost to sweep my wallet now, that sounds really expensive
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sweep_antispam_fee": { "mainnet":{ "1":{ "value":0 }, "825000":{ "value":0.001 } }, "testnet":{ "1":{ "value":0 }, "2535092":{ "value":0.001
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got it
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0.001
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is that issuances count in total assets issued or total issuance txs
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Oh. I did not know that had changed to dynamic.
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if you have a ton of assets, it looks like it can get expensive
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help!
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hmm
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yes that's the point
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Can we take a vote? I feel bad for @carsonated in the normie chat. He’s asking all the right questions but to the wrong people. Can I invite him?
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looks like distinct assets
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this is a public chat i think
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Objections?
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No objection from me. He's been around Counterparty a long time.
He asked J-Dog an excellent question on the Spaces. -
Certainly but maybe he’s also asking them there so as others hear those answers
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what does the this part mean exactly ?
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2 + issuances_count
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0.002 for each issuance I think
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For each asset that has been created?
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Squatter life hitting hard
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so it's 0.001 *2 fee yeah for each asset you make
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I see, wasn't clear what it meant by issuance
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hold on ...
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issuance is 4*
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Balances 2*
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I want it to be public, some don’t want full open.
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so 0.002 for each asset you possess and 0.004 for each you own
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asset name
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I always thought it was flat fee lol
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not qty
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thats actually not that bad
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own as is not hold
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it's that weird
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is 0.5 xcp the minimum fee?
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it used to be I don't know now
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damn
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well that was the only fee
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I am sure I have done this and spent exactly .5 fee but was mad long ago
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Need serious math to figure out what it wouild take to move my account again
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Yeah, I did that around a year ago
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hahaha just give me a few hours and rarepepewallet.wtf will do it for you
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don't think it was minimum just fixed
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It didn’t move assets i owned but had not created myself as a side note
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yes it was fixed
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I'm kind of scared to see what it will be now
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i mean even with 1000 assets owned and 1000 issued you’re looking at 6 xcp
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not gonna break the bank
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I see
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I just saw so many multipliers
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12x what we thought tho
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yes for that particular scenario
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Still a smol account will still be cheap so swings and roundabouts
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i didnt see a minimum fee so for some it might be less than 0.5
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yeah it's not bad 0.5 is cheap n makes it easy to stress a node if you got xcp and assets and you want to juggle em
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JA. The people in the counterparty chat are not your friends.
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They’re fucking with you, if you couldn’t tell.
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it's only a small op return tx
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its a lot of db writes
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there is precedent with dynamic fees with dividends so sweep with dynamic fees is actually much more in line with was done historically
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ser one question, is rarepepewallet opensource?
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no, but all signing is in the client if thats what you’re concerned about, i just need to structure it so that i can keep API keys separate
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im not opposed to open sourcing it at some point
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no ser was more in a sense to see how it was working
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Would allow nerds the ability to run it locally, so we could validate what we are using
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Long term, I'd appreciate that
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counterparty-hw is the barebones open source version
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GitHub - loon3/counterparty-hw: Counterparty wallet for use with Ledger Nano S / S Plus / X
Counterparty wallet for use with Ledger Nano S / S Plus / X - GitHub - loon3/counterparty-hw: Counterparty wallet for use with Ledger Nano S / S Plus / X
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I liked you message signing tool as a place to start
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this may or may not work fyi, i cant remember if ledger library changed anything
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they broke message signing from bech32 in one of their updates so i had to fix it and run my own package which actually made me feel better when their package was hacked a few weeks ago lol
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I been writing stuff in browser client side javascript stuff to mimic stuff I found .. its a goldmine
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can you put here your githubs im aware of loon3 but no more
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counterparty uses same privkey for bech32 .. so my take is legacy address is fine to sign n assume bech32 if have pubkey
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no its just their package that broke it accidentally, was an easy fix
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I not pushed much ...
https://github.com/b0bsmithsB0BSmiths - OverviewB0BSmiths has 4 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.
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What I have is old school hand written commented code I am yet to publish but when I do I expect many can use it so was saving it till I deployed it ...
it uses http to get from cp api and has counterparty seed generate import bip39 import wif import message sign in etc all the foundation of a wallet you run in your browser locally if you want ..
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i think adding the utxo call to cp-lib api is an easy and very good feature
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yeah would be nice to be able to pull utxos right from node rather then using another API
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yes ser at the end is a thing very usefull
- 12 January 2024 (685 messages)
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I been enjoying coinb.in
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that's a good browser toolset
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but for counterparty multisend you must use bitcoinjs I think it is
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it all works just a case of putting it together .. I doing in bootstrap with a few modals
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freewallet is great if you like that flavour javascript ?
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I can read it .. but that's not my style lol
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yes i know, i hate jquery
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i have tried to dig in it and some cool reusable functions but is not my style neither
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self custody
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browser ..sessionStorage.localStorage
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so you store aes encrypted seed in local storage and decrypt to sessionStorage to use as hot wallet
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This part seems particularly suspicious:
"Click on the live chat icon at the bottom corner of the page to initiate chat with support team for further assistance."
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Yeah, weird how I got that email just within like 24 hours of posting a problem here.
I wonder if they are targeting people who ask questions due to the current chaos, or if they are spamming everyone on the counterparty.io forum?
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How is this possible?
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You’re looking for counter wallet
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But you see the email address?
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There is/was a highly inactive counterparty forum. I haven't posted there in probably 2 years or more.
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emails have spf dkim n stuff now a days for anti spam
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yes
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to get bech32 the same private key is used just different derivation magic which is a neat little trick .
bip39 support now more common as xcp ninja got that as default and freewallet has it available hww use it too
rarepepewallet.wtf is ledger hww
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it doesn't function without xchain
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you can run in it a browser over a local host if you know howto 🤔
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Joined. -
Hello all, I'm here to be silent.
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the problem for pointing it to xcp dev is all the calls freewallet is actually doing to get it working and that needs to replicate exactly how the api works
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is doable
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settings has a api string you enter so thats the easy bit
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but require many work to make it work and many optimization
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Another unique thing with both rarepepewallet.com and rarepepewallet.wtf is that the txs themselves are created in the client, neither uses a create_ command from the API
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uuh really?
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thats fucking cool actually
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Yes I built js functions to build the messages
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needs to be updated with protocol changes but is cool af
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much faster ux
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Protocol updates will help.
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Yes very and utxo selection is much easier
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I never liked the idea of blind signing something returned from an api
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Left.
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can we get api to return op return hex only ?
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specify utxo in request like you can ... get opreturn only back .. its either that or build txs like this
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Would be nice to have that granularity
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deconstructing tx is the other way to get op return data
I guess if your confident in the bin2hex2bin n rc4encrypt headsets I'd message blah .. n all that it's easy but op return hex is nice -
check out jpja electrum tools and and his tx decoder stuff
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i have to check it yea
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i did it a time ago
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How do we make you official?
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Second?
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“Bitch don’t kill my vibe”
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Check dm
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Where are stamps githubs?
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You talk the talk for sure.
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If you know the target, send us a screen cap of the email headers or e-mail headers. Guys, blink twice, the walls have eyes and the stock market just launched the BTC ETF’s same day xchain is intentionally taken down, running a replacement for the stock market.
Jdog has bad dns setup allowing spammers to send email as counterparty.io. Or sending emails on purpose. -
To what:// at a minimum?
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Please speak. You know stuff!
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This. Team up and done.
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?
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This not goes this way I won't loose my time working on a tool is old and bad designed when we can have counterparty integrated with modern wallets, if you want to check it yourself open freewallet debug console and you can check how many calls it does just to spin the wallet
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He does not get or take enough credit. @jp_janssen
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You’re worried about stamps. I’m worried about counterparty. We are not the same.
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I think apis would be possible to replicate but I won't rush it and is just not the calls is the format and the data is not a good choice IMO go this path, at least we tested it soon so we discovered the reality, possibility would be fork and optimize but this don't solve the issue of user don't needing to import pkeys so why work with an old wallet if we can integrate in modern ones? This is my thoughts
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No ser I'm worried about counterparty too
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You’re worried about stamps. I’m worried about counterparty. We are not the same.
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You’re worried about stamps. I’m worried about counterparty. We are not the same.
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Are you going to spam the same message again?
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Change topics?
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Where are stamps githubs?
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Work in progress
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Not released as they are not finished and safe to use
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They will be OpenSource when it has to be
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And where are your repos?
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Leeching
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What I'm talking about is convert xcpdev in a dapp for counterparty, full explorer and integrated with the biggest wallets
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Jajajaja
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I have not caused any harm to the community or protocols to need to offer any code for redemption.
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I don't need to offer any code for redemption
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Sure. Me too. Check the record.
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I think I will stop answering you
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You don't deserve my time
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Are a short minded guy
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Wow. Lots of people showing their colors lately.
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No man my colors are pretty clear
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