Everyone submits signatures in a format, and you feed them into this, which calculates the vote weight by the current balances

Then spits out the top X

👍

How to group them?

In the order they come, lots of 10?

Nah, every week a batch goes through

Unaccepted ones go through next week maybe

Possibly remove the bottom 25% in votes

(Tbd)

Top 5 get added, certain vote threshold, minimum vote?

It's the patented Proof of Dankness Pepe mining feature

Three time bottom card burned, one time only?

You can't force a card issuer to burn their card, but you can stop accepting that card in any submission process

Submission format would be json (I think most people get that):

{
address: 'addy',
challenge_sig: 'sig',
votes: [
{
card: 'card',
weight: 'weight'
},
{ ... }
]
}

Can if it is a rule of submission

I can write a formatter for people

So it wont be complicated

But it is somewhat harsh

All weights add to 100

And its a % of the funds in the address

Welcome to the PepeCoalition

If they sum to less than 100, the remainder is discarded. Over, and the last ones are left off the count.

Hope the coalition doesn't go to far alt right on us lol

Pepecash holders are invested in the financial success of pepecash. Going alt-right is a recipe for financial disaster... it wouldn't make economic sense

^

What if an alt right wale stepped in?

The RPF would be a check and balance

Although if there was low enough voter turnout an alt right pick could make it in, however you could just have the pepecash foundation prescreen cards with the same rules they use today

Remember, the card is certified by the RPF as a filter before voting

Yep

This proposal only acts to further filter new pepes

Important step

It does not make their submission more lax

Concerns of alt-right stuff is misplaced here

It is not misplaced to guard against it

To rephrase, 'there is no more risk of alt right stuff than there is today'

It also gives holding pepecash much more utility, and keeps the community involved every voting period. The most successful and effective communities are ones where the members are highly engaged

(Although this community is already quite engaged, at least relatively speaking!)

It isn't alt-right thing! It is the prosses of doing the right thing! Not doing thing by using the so called right way! Pepe are open for humnetiy, not a single entity

This community is scary active for the market cap

Voting also teds to galvanize and split communities

Although we have not been able to devise a better system

Thats the important part

Democracy is the worst system out there, except for all the others

Or however the quote goes

Yeah, it seems the best way to me...not a perfect way (doesn't exist)

We should start a formal improvement process. Calling it a PIP 🐸

💪

👌👍❤️

Anyone can become a more influential voter by acquiring pepecash. There is also the potential issue of vote buying though, but Eg with Counterparty foundation elections we realized we could never really stop that, we just didn't encourage it. I would think that in the end, bringing in the highest quality cards would be most important to most large holders... although some holders may choose to try to sell their voting ability (which they can do out of band, and then vote for which ever cards they are told to vote to.)

It didn't end up being an issue for the CP foundation. We still got absolutely excellent directors

/p PEPEPARTY

:)

Lol

robby is a pepe

very dank

Agreed. I love the caption

Id at least want to test the voting, and if it sucks it sucks. There are some issues such as submission fees and asset registration

Tho

/p pepethetroll

@rarepepenetwork

let me know if you need a link added

You could say all submission fees get burned and not returned if you are voted out

it's a channel, so no msg

Or get donated to a charity of the communities choice

That too

Or xcp servers etc

ya

Good idea. May be best to do it off chain to minimize asset spam if there will be voting every week or so, but on chain could be practical too for less frequent voting, maybe -- off chain could still be done cryptographically via message signing

So you could still have an audit trail with off chain

we have done okay without it :)

but i like making exclusive clubs or content for holders of Card A

They already started!

PEPECASH only party

Hahaha

Ruhul who is bribing you?

Lol

Speak up ruhul

Actual it was me bribing ruhul to act like one of icqs many personalities

Personal!

oksarpepe vote was test 1

It's ok ruhul, the secret is out

is that why he has 25 votes for Oscar Pepe

lol

be sybil attacked it.

Explains icq winning vote lol

there's really only 68 ppl in here

Sybil Not possible with pepecash stake voting

29 alts, damn I have a hard time keeping track of myself

Yeah, latest

Also not possible with no voting 😝

Let's hold a vote to see if we vote

lol

Everyone here is an alt but you

but what if it's rigged

Weighted by pepecash holdings pls

Let's vote on whether it's rigged

You're the big sucker. Secret's out

What if they are all my own alts and I don't even know it

I've been paid to vote that it's not rigged

😂😂

Oh shit, my whole life isn't even real

Let's vote on who rigged the vote deciding whether to vote if it's rigged

Nice one!

Not signed holdings votes, theo

Of Pepecash

New pepe acceptance

I can tell you every card I have is organic market cap 100%

To limit how many get made

1000 is the limit

Hundreds a week is like, way too fast

Unless someone else is manipulating them

There will be cutoff

Yeah mini freezes are nice

I personally know a shitton of people have multiple cards waiting post freeze

Mike, taking to much LSD, cards are starting to trip him out to much

Once the unfreeze happens, there will be a flood

Like a zcash signing ceremony?

Im trying to preempt that

Yes need money is correct about that

Theo, read above

No, not magical

I described a clean way it would work

is that your vote? ;p

Read above

Limit cards per person

It would reduce low effort submissions

And cashgrabs

Not possible... can easily be sybiled

Theo, im writing a script to do t

It

We've done it in the past, works fine

All signatures will be public and auditable to a block

We need immediate fix on this!

Not necessary. Signatures can be checked instantly and automatically in the code

/p Pepecash

You can run the script yourself

This is Pepe though. Unless we start taking real identities and doing background checks 😄

That feels very conspiratorial, do you have a better distributed asset than Pepecash?

If you do, im all ears

You keep saying that without any basis

How do we slow submissions down? That's the issue

Look at where we are

That's the basis

Fingerprints

Or is it ?

There is no issue, everything is working too well so we need to create issues

We have a ton of people making cards to turn a profit, and making low effort submissions

voting can be rigged, even limiting submits per person already is "rigged"

just because someone submits doesnt mean it get certified? does it?

turn a few down, thatll slow it

No scientists can reject

Voting based on verifiable, auditable blockchain holdings is pretty unriggable

Some that appear to be low effort are very popular cards. May be low effort for a pro and a days task for others

I think only hairpepe owners should vote

Absolute holdings

No only jongpepe owners

Thats the same as asking a holder to vote in your stead

The CP foundation had no issues with this

Stake voting can be rigged like paying a big bitcoin miner cartel to attempt to 51% the network can be rigged ... it's possible, but less likely than other systems

I know kids under 12 that have made $160 to stash away in crypto

I think Pepecash holders are incentivised to help the economy

Not hurt it

selling their rare pepe

auction fun, shopping fun, bidding fun, memes fun, voting sux

What are you talking about

The CP foundation votes went well

Ask them

still can bribe holders to vote for them

bigger holders, maybe not so much

The problem is we need a rate limit on submissions so we dont flare out in two weeks

but can happen

how do you suggest we do it?

How?

What?

No, how do you choose which cards get through?

EXTREME VETTING

BEEF DECIDES

Describe how :/

Who decides?

Er

The history behind the cards!

some cards get rejected already, dunno what % though

Mike thinks voting is a good idea though

He is tired of vetting shit :/

I think it's interesting

Why?

But too much against it

Easier to just tell people to slow the fuck down

Mike, wont work

And why wouldn't big holder just vote their own stuff in

People will multi account

It leaves people out

Yep

Raise submission price

As I've said before, I see rate limiting as more important than stake voting itself. Seems the main two ways are with RPF solely deciding which cards, or stake voting . I like the latter but I'd prefer either over nothing to attempt to prevent a flood of cash grab cards

Or don't care about their submition

Slowing down

If they havn't passion

Exactly

Pepe passion

I say only ruhul gets to submit from here on out

If there is a better solution that isnt 'mike decides what is good', im all ears

There isn't

That's the best solution

This is crypto.. good luck 😄

Mike is not the community

I let 97% through

^^

He is a filter for bad things

Which is fine

Harmful things

Not for lame or unwanted things

Unless I think they will cause us problems

Or whats super amazing

The silent watcher

I only know of one pepe I don't like

I am happy with Mike choosing. But I can imagine when things open up he gets bombarded

So we have a lottery

Everyone buys tix

Ya up da ante

That restricts rare makers to people who have money though

At least stake voting, anyone can get in

Pepe pools must form then

Up any- It'll make u reconsider sending three in three days

Pooling talent for the best pepe

That is actually the third option. It would have to be much higher and I think it could work but many would see it as unfair and/or complain. But people will complain about anything

Look at all the complaining about voting!

Increases fee > vote

/p unluckypepe

This is a room full of complainers

Theo sounds like he sold all his pepecash early

Yes, but that doesn't stop people complaining with some idea of fairness they have floating in their mind :)

/p winkelpepe 11.03.2017

At least all out capitalistic stake voting has an element of fairness to it, due to economic opportunity costs. Higher fees could too

U can pool

I dont think thats really a big risk

The CP foundation, for example, didnt see any attacks there

Get money for yer card for investors ICO style

Make 100,000 each submission

I would wager that the largest pepecash holders care about quality over being bribed

Slow da fuck down

Exactly

They can make much more $ over a solid ecosystem and cards than via short term bribes

Consensus is mo'money yo

😂😂 i like it

Hey, I'm all for a capitalist pig solution. It's the "fairest" we got

maybe a sliding scale

so the 1000th pepe is like 10,000,000 pepecash

Each creator pays more each card

the rarest of them all

He submits

There's a way to use Counterparty for voting...

Scale

Or she 😬

no one likes your idea theo

Sybilable

i say we vote on whether theo tells us his idea

I think we should let through like 10 cards a week

Yeah we discussed. You can also do voting via collecting signed messages and it's more efficient and cheaper (no blockchain transactions need to be involved and can be done off chain)

Who is in the rotation?

Mike, lol

Make creators pay double each submission!

By.....dare I say it...

Vote?

They can just use other telegram accts

i dont like random dictator, they'll just fuck up mikes site and it will screw up the wallet

Oh ya

It is broken

Whoever is the dictator each week can just walk around with a target painted on their back

you might as well sell all your pepes then

if its broken

If all 1000 pepes get made in the next week, no more can be made by new people

We need to restrict creation somehow

How do you propose restricting it then?

Ya we went in 20% already this round

Thats the problem

submission fees

I will raise fee

we've had this convo so many times

Plus 60 the game has

Yes, ramping scales are not workable I think due to Sybil attacks. Would need to be a constant, high fee, same for everyone

i vote that toawa leaves

No more voting

2nd

all in favor?

@nola1978

We at 660ish

The only fair way to do this is Mike prints each pepe out, tapes them to the wall. Throws a handfull of shhhhhhiiiiite and the ones it sticks to get in the directory

Only 340 more

Then years of frizz

haha everybody with their 3M pepecash marketcap card cant pay 25K pepecash fee

The voting period can be open for several days

We could limit pepecreation to x per month/week. Then we open a publicly visible register for new Pepes (Google form). Then a new team of scientists, formed by loyal and long-time members of the community decides which x assets are being taken.

The issue is newcomers who dont have an existing card

Just like on going one to playing the legacy voting game!

The team could decide on which are accepted and has the possibility to give wildcards to cards which are not accepted but accepted to apply for another round.

any newcomer that wants or needs help with their card bc fees, can submit to me and if i think the card has merit will pay all in return for 1% of issue

I deleted one that typoed @theogoodman

Pepe VCs 😂

This is why im funding the creation of Pepestarter

Peer vouch

Good idea

toawa everyone voted that you cant participate in this discussion anymore

sorry dude

Lol

Lol

Voting isn't so bad see

stake voting, just happened on the blerkchain

you blink and you miss it

It's kind of like stake voting, in a way, but I think it could work too. It's an economic solution and I like that

Rareperpepers

/p RERERPERP

Ugh stopped by the razer store just now - saw so many playing hearthstone

Way too complicated...

Thought - noooooo, you don't even know what ur missing

Yeah! Good for campaigners who wants to be leader of pepe

Can be sybiled if not tied to pepecash stake

Shaving chest for next pepecash picture update?

You could be getting excited about a real game - not some server controlled mockery of a game

20 cards per week is 25 weeks for 500, that's pretty spaced out to me

Lol nice - no laser hair removal has taken care of that forever actually

half a year

RAREPEPE game has 60

Unreg

Maybe, but whales are pepecash whales most likely and want to see it succeed. Newbs/poor folks with talent can go to Pepe VCs for funding, who will exercise vetting of their own

even 30 cards/week is 16 weeks, still a long time

Sounds quite OK for me

^

U all in a hurry?

One year

one year for 500 cards, at that rate could do 500 every year ;p

Yup

Doesnt seem excessive

There's 104 already plus 60 in rarepepeparty game to account for I believe

For the rest of 1000, I want to see few years from now

1 card a day, 3 on fool moon, 77 on pepecash birthday

/p pepepassport

So dank

Need 95% support to activate

Decentralized lifestyle

I think we got some dank rares

I vote for a team of elders to be the ones who vote once a week. New Pepes must be registered in a public readable Google form for review. Voting team has 7 cards per week to pick and unlimited wildcards to give out for cards to possibly be picked in a later week...

(those just stay in the list)

I'm good with a high fee, or voting. Either could work. If you wanted to further control rate, you could impose a rate limit with high fees, and once fees were paid the card would be added to a waiting list to go live... but I don't think that's necessary ... could always just increase the fee

👍

Why unpaid?

The fees of the ones who will be registered...

As the fee reaches someone's expected returns with a cash grab shit card, less shit card authors will ante up

For voting, I proposed an automated script to do it and audit/verify the results

Yes

I would be happy to write it

When there is willingness to subsidies the creators if needed to be!

Eugh, why not just keep burning most of the fees, and the rest go for server costs, etc

Pepecash is the best distributed asset we have

It is integral to the ecosystem

Not to make some "elder" rich

Yea elder whales

i believe in the cards

Which mega holder, theo?

holding pepecash isnt really doing a lot for the card economy

How big do you think peoples holdings are?

Must not make em rich, but they need time to do the selection

every hairpepe gives you a vote

/p hairpepe

yes, hairpepe holders vote, 1 hairpepe 1 vote

It's that way with both fees and voting . I think that's fine as they have a vested interest in making Pepe succeed, and both methods offer a way for newbies to acquire influence and access into the system

An real Elder would not take advantage of such a situation. Challenge is trust

thats it 1 hairpepe one vote

it is dankness per se

There is freeze at the moment till Monday

For sure, the system must be dead simple. If not we have to explain it every day...

Rate limits are imposed

its the same as now

fees

👍

like we've always done

we've regressed back to the beginning

Not beyond truly subjective decisions made by someone arbitrarily chosen

You talk to me

not physically possible lol

Must no regress, must progress

mike isn't a robot ;p

(that I know of)

Stake holders are not arbitrarily chosen. They have put cash money into it and are materially vested in its success

so happy to see that burn # on RPW today

/mike

Wise Pepe says...Coming together is a beginning; keeping together is progress; working together is success.

Easy to game users

show them

New accounts are important for the ecosystem and growth, interest

No

Dont

No

👍👌

Thats illegal

Dont do it

And for the newly applying cards we set up a Google form and a spreadsheet that pulls the pictures in from imgur. Rejected cards get a status, accepted ones and wildcards (to be possibly selected later get a status). 4 users and Mike decide.

why notˋ

Not necessarily. Most of them, yes, but stake voting or higher fees has much more of an element of objectivity to it though... everyone knows what is necessary for a card to get picked

Pm me

Delete

Delete

Delete it

WTHD

Lol

Now someone going to steal your pepe

😄

Mike picks co selectors and has supervoting powers.

No, just being a big holder that votes is the justification

how do I pm (im new to telegram)

itd be nice to compare artist portfoloio to easily see where the quality is

Imgur link could also be put into token description. So the first creator can prove it.

how do i pm

toawa which cards did you make?

wtf :D

how do I pm

yeah lets ban toawa for being such a jerk

all in favor?

But such a thing would IMO be quite necessary if you had a board selecting cards subjectively. People would bitch like crazy because they would have no clear path to influence of the selections. That's the main thing: you need to give members of the ecosystem an achievable path to gain influence over any limiting selections.... beyond "bribe an elder" 😄

I

I don't see that problem. We don't have it now..

"card A: sucks; card B: good; card C, meeh"

Lol, and people will complain like crazy "mi e was better! Why was it not chosen!?!"

sounds good lets do that

i

/p pepetard

Mike doesnt decide if its worth it to add

He decides if its dangerous or bad to add

sounds like we're 80% of the way through

Big difference

now we want to plan the party?

He is a judgement filter

I'm improving one of mine atm

Too much work. The board of dictators simply decides. And Mike as the superdictator can vote against all 4 with his supervote.

toawa why are you so angry?

for the same reason

Theres no work, I would write a script to do it

Fully auditable

Sign a message and done

Its a function in counterwallet

if mike wants to get bombed thats his choice

he's a grown man

Thats a conspiracy, Pepecash is well distributed

people are gonna submit a ton of cards regardless

Exactly. Raised fee (so that it's still payable for noobs) + board of dictators + public Google spreadsheet/form

Man?

I dont think its as big of an issue as you imply

i just assumed....

Even 200 cards per week are quickly looked through...

I know the large holders, its a lot of people

we won't hit 1k next month, impossible, there's not enough time in a month

Frog

Yeah that's terrible

so make it harder for new members to get rare pepes

This is making my head hurt. Taowa especially

sounds like a great way to attract new members

toawa look at what you're doing to mike!!

i thought you cared about him

Of course it's work to write down a reason why a card was not picked...

He doesn't even know what he is anymoer

It's going good considering

Pease put a fee on telegram messages :D

Eh... I think it will devolve into a high school popularity contest

You would be able to choose a % of your holdings to any card you like. More cards = less weight per card

then you should respect the community vote and leave the discussion

👍👍👍👍

mike check your PMs

😂

(I didn't start it this time 😁)

It's still fine! And will be

Yes!

can someone #summarize the drama rn for a late comer

We are pepe! We will be pepe!

no drama, people angling, same old, same old but less memes

There is a 1000 card limit on pepes according to mike, and some people seem to think the current breakneck pace of 100 a week is fine and isnt a problem

The reason why I propose a board of dictators is, that this way not all 5 have to take care of selecting each week. It's up to them to organize themselves...

All hail mikes decisions on what cards are the best

I don't do that

Theo seems to think you do, and therefore no change is needed

There is apparently no problem

Nothing is wrong

if mike wanted to be a dictator he'd do that so we have to force him to be a benevolent dictator

Spreadsheet could be set up in a way that the pictures can not be seen by the public. Only by dictators...

im cool with that