What is happening... so many channels!!!

Fyi you can link this chat to the channel so announcements etc are more organized

@teysol this channel doesn't have a handle I can share...

that's where I got into trouble

I was on the phone w/ him during the meltdown...

How do you share the channel? I don't see a handle here...

Click on more in channel and copy pasta this chat groupmake it public and name it

that's what I'm working on

See discussion tab

try the desktop app.

@PeriwigReascends same error. mobile was my backup

@pappyG45 any ideas lol

so either the bug will resolve itself as TG's servers get consistent... or they won't

Have u tried to edit the channel discussion not the group chat

I deleted the "discussion"

I think the problem is that I still have the Announcements "channel"

Honestly I would keep that makes it more official and can link a group

I created the channel, then created the discussion group. tried to link to the discussion group directly but that was impossible *even after I delinked the group from the channel*

it's a bug :/

so before I deleted the discussion group @counterpartycommunity was still linking to the channel

Keeps topics organized too otherwise u just get consnoise shilling etc

Good to have a central announcements page

@pappyG45 I agree

happy accident

the rest is unhappy, however

I can't even change the link in the channel now lol

so I'm going to delete it

that didn't work

jdog has more power than we feared

okay I think I'm being rate limited

I can't create any new public channels

@vectorconfetti I made you an admin here

would you try to make this group public?

looking

I haven’t done this before, what would it be?

from reddit:

The group type (public/private) can only be changed by the Owner of the group, as this change involves freeing up the @username associated with the group.

ah

okay making you owner

done

JDog is offering to hand over the old discussion but couldn’t add you back? My opinion would be to link that one so keep the history

that worked - do you want the approval function ?

@pappyG45 happy to take over that one if he'll transfer it

this link is fixed now also, i can transfer owner back to you now

@vectorconfetti ah before you do, make it @counterpartycommunity if you can

@PeriwigReascends prefers that :)

look good now?

yes thank you

@pappyG45 I'm back in the old channel

OMG lol i can’t transfer ownership back to you because I didn’t have 2FA and now it needs to be active 7 days before i transfer

Yeesh

lol

seriously, telegram

only slightly better than whatsapp

truly, can you link the other group here if you’re owner now? would like to join again

yeah I'm not the owner there (yet)

Hes said he would but you need to join the old one back

@pappyG45 I did

Ok will let him know

in the meantime reposting here

— Announcing Counterparty Core v10.5.0 —

This release includes fixes for a number of critical stability bugs as well as significant performance optimizations for parsing Fair Mint transactions. We have also made many other bugfixes and tweaks to the API and CLI in response to user feedback.

IMPORTANT: This update requires an automatic reparse from block 865999. However, reparses have become very slow recently due to the high transaction volume. We recommend that users upgrade to this version (even if they were running a pre-release version) either by bootstrapping their databases or by rebuilding them from scratch. You can bootstrap either by running counterparty-server bootstrap (if your node is not Dockerized) or by temporarily adding --catch-up=bootstrap-always as an argument to counterparty-server in your Docker Compose file. If you would like to rebuild your node from scratch, simply delete your existing database and restart the server.

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happy I wasn't here for the triaging lol but seems like you've figured it out!

Which is fine but Core Devs have a conflict of interest against current tooling that supports an overwhelming majority of the community. So intentionally making things harder for competing wallets banning other devs does not seem in the best interest of the community.

Will UL ask the current VC's if they are ok being named in the interest of transparency? You can at least ask

So there are two different potential conflicts of interest that I see. The first is the possibility of supporting Unspendable Labs' business over the interests of the community (e.g. Horizon Wallet + Explorer over other wallets and explorers). The second is that the entities funding the company Unspendable Labs could push the protocol development in a way that favors their own interests.

The second question is easy to answer: the existing funding for UL comes 100% from (1) myself, (2) the Bitcoin Frontier Fund (who have made their investment public), and (3) close friends and family (whose names I won't disclose)

The first question is harder to answer. Yes, there's a potential conflict of interest. It's possible that I personally could push to change the protocol in a way that favors the UL business. That's possible in any case where someone who leads development of a community project also runs a business that makes use of that project. All I can really say here that UL and I are much more incentivized to make Counterparty successful than to increase UL's short-term revenue. That's why 100% of Counterparty development is done out in the open, including all issue tracking and prioritization, and why Horizon Wallet is fully open-source.

@vectorconfetti when I try to click on the link to this channel this is what I get

https://t.me/counterpartycommunity

lol

another bug

exactly

for me it’s pointing to the other one with the waving radishes

lol

I guess try renaming this group

https://t.me/counterpartycommunitee

that worked :)

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What up party people

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Rejoined the CP after many years . Don’t know what’s goin on in the community . But anyway , Are setting up dispensers working or no ?. I tried to setup a couple of times using freewallet and don’t see em yet .

Freewallet is just one of multiple Counterparty wallets, and my understanding is that its dispenser support broke recently (it's using an old and deprecated API).

You can find a list of Counterparty wallets on the website: https://www.counterparty.io/#wallets AFAIK the only other wallet with dispenser support is the one I'm developing privately, called Horizon Wallet (https://wallet.unspendablelabs.com)

you should be able to just import your Freewallet seed into Horizon Wallet and create dispensers. if you can't join the Horizon Wallet channel for support @HorizonXCP

Awesome . Thanks

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hard to follow with all channels

yeah sorry about that. I had some struggles with Telegram

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https://mempool.space/tx/a2e17824c11f6dfa87d97054b86c19aa49c8535438edfb5993f3ac4b08b9ba73

Horizon explorer does not see it

Atomic swap

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Yeah so the tx is visible to the protocol. Looks like a bug in the explorer. Will report 👌

> http https://api.counterparty.io:4000/v2/transactions/a2e17824c11f6dfa87d97054b86c19aa49c8535438edfb5993f3ac4b08b9ba73
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Alt-Svc: clear
Content-Length: 514
access-control-allow-headers: *
access-control-allow-methods: *
access-control-allow-origin: *
content-type: application/json
date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 04:55:57 GMT
server: gunicorn
via: 1.1 google
x-bitcoin-height: 866947
x-counterparty-height: 866947
x-counterparty-ready: True
x-counterparty-version: 10.5.0-alpha.3

{
"result": {
"block_hash": "00000000000000000000c78706e7ebe5e3808cc86e37127bc2be6d8e4de3040a",
"block_index": 866942,
"block_time": 1729657316,
"btc_amount": null,
"confirmed": true,
"data": null,
"destination": null,
"fee": null,
"source": "",
"supported": true,
"tx_hash": "a2e17824c11f6dfa87d97054b86c19aa49c8535438edfb5993f3ac4b08b9ba73",
"tx_index": 2951037,
"utxos_info": "7045337252b3c988df1047459ad77f7cc3858ad1c6a3130a7725938cd745cc5a:0 a2e17824c11f6dfa87d97054b86c19aa49c8535438edfb5993f3ac4b08b9ba73:0"
}
}

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API communication error

is it going to work anytime soon?

as i understand all non-tech people can't interact with counterparty

what are the benefits of this update beside that nothing is working and people started to lose more money and get more issues?

is there a working wallet and working explorer for CP? at least one?

those are serious questions- please

or simplier.

what is recommended wallet by devs?

majority of people were using freewallet. maybe 90% of people or so.
if that wallet isnt working, adaptation to new wallets going to be slow and painfull. it might even cause a great depresion for CP.
imagine someone wanting to buy an asset and running in to API error.
and there will be many many many "failed" tries to buy nowadays.
lack of synchronisation and flow during this update will not be as good as expected.
even to sell 1XCP is getting though lol.

another question. is there any way to buy/sell XCP that supposed to be the most liquid asset of the protocol.

can sell 1k+ XCP OTC. if anyone interested - DM.
completed a shitload of trades over the years.

or
https://tokenscan.io/tx/2950932

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another question is, does BTC-Pay work?
how come nobody even tested if main functions are working???

even devs couldnt broadcast few dollar worth trade just to make sure it all works as it should?

since the update i do not see a single btc-pay transaction. most likely i am just wasting my time waiting for the match.

@kappepe lets talk

what exactly you do not like about my comment? tell the benefits dude

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community is based on people who cant even think, but they are good at pressing buttons.

comment what benefits of this update is. and dont tell me i am the hater because i am one of the most active on counterparty. for sure more active than all the mods combined.

i am also xcp bag holder.
means i can talk and ask questions

what a fucking peace of shit community. instead of answering what wallets are recommended they are downvoting my messages where i am 100% right.

probably the right way to do is dump the shit and forget about it. it will never get better.

so who of you great believers are going to absorb 1k XCP? or more?

oh i bet there is no liquidity and all you can do is type on keyboard.

because if any of you see those great benefits, that order was already filled. but now, the truth speaks it self. if will sink..

why someone would need to have "counterparty ready" to send bitcoin lol?
and again another proof that this wallet isnt working for sure. and what wallet is recommended nobody knows, or at least not me.

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works for me - check if your settings are like this;

not sure why in my default settings CP port is 4001

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Yeah, unfortunately Freewallet is still having issues and Jeremy isn’t having any luck fixing them yet.

Just try wallet.unspendablelabs.com.

I promise you will get help if you have any issues in the support chat @HorizonXCP.

You can see it’s in the official website:

https://www.counterparty.io/#wallets

If you’re still using freewallet please use the freewallet support chat instead in this one.

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they are rolling back lol

i thought should be the opposite

just saying to everyone

FREE WALLET AND TOKENSCAN ARE HUNDREDS OF BLOCKS BEHIND.
DO NOT RELLY ON THEIR INFO

always check the block height

Horizon has the current block height and should be used for now

even XCP.DEV is down

and way behind.

Horizon explorer is the only one to be on the current block from what i have checked

I'm not sure what happened with xcp.dev or with tokenscan. I don't run those servers. We did have some downtime overnight with api.counterparty.io ourselves. Looks like someone was spamming the nodes with requests. It's possible they were spamming other public servers too.

the overall requests didn't go up much at all, so I'll have to investigate what caused the issue

The node API makes it very clear when the node is behind, and a good block explorer + wallet should display this to the user. (I don't think even Horizon does this well, though.)

ah sorry I misreported. those charts aren't correct. the only issues we had with api.counterparty.io were on testnet, which was getting spammed. I forgot to activate the security policy on those servers. here are the public servers from the past 12 hours

looks like J-Dog didn't follow the upgrade instructions: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/2559#issuecomment-2432022942

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multisend doesnt work on freewallet. api error, "insuficient" balance. as i understand that function wasnt tested too.

this XCP dispenser is still open: https://explorer.unspendablelabs.com/tx/9bbdd2ecedd76fbd8eb0cb6bf9a6c60b395b7b8512b8ee8b3fc15187255cae50

FYI a regression has been found in v10.4.x in the way that that multiple dispensers on the same address are handled. right now, if one of the dispensers has been closed, all dispenses to that address fail. Coupled with the create_send() call triggering dispenses, this can reproduce the old behavior of dispensers where you send BTC and you don't get anything back (!) All nodes are recommended *not* to use `create_send()`—that was to ease the migration to the new version only. We'll be releasing v10.6.0 soon which will be a protocol change activating in about a week: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/milestone/42

Thanks for the info.

What’s the recommendation to buyers in the meantime: avoid using dispensers until v11.0?

sorry will actually be v10.6.0

for buyers, if you use a wallet that implements create_dispense(), the transaction will either work fine (if there are no closed dispensers on that address) or an automated sanity check will prevent you from making the transaction

this is the current state of things until 10.6?

yes, I believe so

and until it activates, not until it is released

when is there a danger of losing funds for buyers?

if they never updated to use create_dispense but kept using send_btc for triggering dispenses

actually getting reports there's another subtly. stand by 🙏

nope, looks like it was a bad report. it's as I described

so which wallets are vulnerable to this issue right now?

Thanks for answering the questions, just trying to get the most clarity

yeah, I have no way of knowing :/ Horizon Wallet is not vulnerable. Seems like Freewallet is?

Great, thank you for the info

FYI currently having some issues with the public servers

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okay we were rebalancing our bitcoin core backends and accidentally sent all counterparty traffic to only one

nodes are catching back up now

update: v10.6.0 will come out tomorrow. we found another (non-consensus) buf that we wanted to investigate and fix first

*** Announcing Counterparty Core v10.6.0 ***

This release includes a protocol change to fix a regression for the case when there have been multiple dispensers opened at a single address. The bug prevents users from triggering dispensers at addresses where there have previously been closed dispensers (rather than simply re-opened dispensers).

This release is a protocol change from mainnet block 868,300 (in about one week).

It also includes a backwards-incompatible change in the API: /v2/addresses/<address>/balances/<asset> and /v2/assets/<asset>/balances/<address> now return a list that may include balances attached to UTXOs of <address>.

This release includes a bugfix for chained UTXO movements within the same block. This bugfix requires an automatic reparse starting from block 867,000. Given the current slowdowns in catching up with the API database, we recommend using counterparty-server bootstrap before restarting your server, but of course you can reparse from scratch to verify. The slowness in reparsing is currently being addressed.

*NOTE*: All wallets should use the compose_dispense() call to trigger dispenses rather than the legacy create_send(). Due to the above bug, using create_send() can make it possible for users to send BTC to an address where the dispenser will fail. All node hosts should migrate to compose_dispense() ASAP.

Full Release Notes on GitHub: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/releases/tag/v10.6.0

Public API Servers at api.counterparty.io are being updated as we speak.

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nice! [ INFO] - 348 blocks reparsed in 102.23s

are these out of date? seems like it's calling for
counterparty-server kickstart

which doesn't look like it exists to me

https://docs.counterparty.io/docs/basics/usage/

but i'm also running everything dockerized, was trying to see if I could help someone who was maybe doing a manual install, although I'm not totally sure

oof yeah that's out of date

lol, old PR! https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/Documentation/pull/204/files

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So I guess there's fork going on? not good

my understanding is that the operators of xcp.dev and xcp.ninja did not upgrade, while the operators of Horizon and Freewallet, RarePepeWallet, and Tokenscan did.

maybe that will change but I know at least in the case of xcp.dev, it was fully intentional and the operator of that service is committed to no longer receiving any bug fixes or feature adds on the version of counterparty they are running

So those different things shouldn't necessarily be put in the same bucket.

J-Dog has announced he's going to support both the current version and version 9.x.y in some combination of tokenscan/freewallet/xchain/whatever

xcp.ninja and stamped.ninja haven't upgraded, but it's unclear if they're going to or not. they have this banner on the latter site

as @vectorconfetti said, xcp.dev seems to not be upgrading

but literally everyone else has upgraded (of course)

for the full list of Counterparty wallets, explorers, marketplaces etc. that one can use, they're listed on the new project website https://www.counterparty.io (built by @ffmad 🙏)

Thanks for the clarity.

In case it's not obvious, forking the network is an extremely dangerous and irresponsible thing to do. Any given transaction may be valid on the main chain, on the fork, or on both, and there's no way to know ahead of time which it'll be. Users are going to lose funds.

Will lost funds be avoided if a user sticks only to the upgraded services?

If you make a transaction on one chain, say to buy asset A with asset B, then you might not get asset A on the other chain. On the other hand, you may have *spent* asset B on the other chain.

they don't corrupt the main chain

and there's no notion of minority / majority

there are two protocols operating simultaneously, and they know nothing about each other

If you stick with the services listed on the website, then you're not at any risk

So notably, freewallet is removed because of the choice to run both protocols, potentially leading to loss of funds.

So xcp ninja forked? But is listed on your website?

Right, it should probably be removed until they get everything upgraded.

Looks a little j-dog specific otherwise…

Just a bug, not a conspiracy.

hey there - tried to swap some BTC for XCP in the Freewallet dispenser and while my BTC is gone I have not received any XCP (used high priority gas) - any idea what is going on?

Read the above conversation :/

wait what the fuck - so I just lost like $2k lmao

zero tweets cautioning against this btw

It’s all actively evolving and JDog is giving this information only in the freewallet chat, which we are all banned from. Hopefully @teysol can put together a statement ASAP

Hopefully there is a way to get your funds back for you. If it is a verified dispenser and the user has the BTC on the main chain, they should be able to send your funds back to you using one of the official wallets.

Can you confirm if you used one of the below dispensers?

()

Updated - 1709 XCP available on verified dispensers

https://explorer.unspendablelabs.com/tx/dff8c851a0d38c7e4bc0ab6c4d281073620063865072e8c8943cf2ee564dbac8 -- 0.00014882 -- 158 XCP
https://explorer.unspendablelabs.com/tx/9bbdd2ecedd76fbd8eb0cb6bf9a6c60b395b7b8512b8ee8b3fc15187255cae50 -- 0.00015000 -- 45 XCP
https://explorer.unspendablelabs.com/tx/d312f7220b820d395324cb271d41509fe3fa8aa9c8fbe27a7a5d68360e4b3909 -- 0.00016000 -- 999 XCP
https://explorer.unspendablelabs.com/tx/e7ffb08363fb2621135d30ea3f7d32e11952b90dfa3ef07df77062a9c49fa647 -- 0.00016500 -- 115 XCP
https://explorer.unspendablelabs.com/tx/12e89fda64a19b2a71e4f16344f73be3c3ed89629eabc55566d020ed7fbbc5ce -- 0.00017650 -- 149 XCP
https://explorer.unspendablelabs.com/tx/a1ba19eeb7406f3fb989efbf956a9fbab26c3aee390cd8cd7a901b08b2c2717c -- 0.00018900 -- 243 XCP

I used the first one

Ok, let’s dig into this a little. Can you import your freewallet seed into Horizon Wallet and check if you received the XCP there?

let me try

nothing, BTC is gone & no XCP

Ok, and it looks like this is not one of the verified dispensers, right @Niftyboss1 ?. Then you could try reaching out in the various chats with a link to the dispenser you used and see if anyone will come forward as operating it and hope they send you your funds back. Verified dispensers are from users Niftyboss is in contact with, so there is recourse if there are any issues.

i see you pinged me on the other chat

not my addy

not my dispenser

ty for replying

np

mine start with 1cC

dispenser open with 999 xcp

thats the only xcp dispenser i have open at this moment

wait

what addy you bought from?

where did you sent lol

1QFLJw6VEWVgmuQr2AQ6HM5E7MPLHv2HCL

my addy

and whats your addy?

oh wait

For users coming to the chat now, please be sure to only use verified dispensers and XCP wallets listed on the Counterparty website.

counterparty.io

sorry

that was my addy - I bought from this: 1JsPoV5USoFM7441KtGXtvMH5ezNwq9Uak

ok

i left feedback on that addy long ago

check on tokenscan

known for nasty actions such as rugging or bruteforcing and shit

avoid this seller

at least before there is atomic swap

Ok, so this is unrelated to the fork.

that addy is not included in to dispensers list

as far as i know

i mean verified by niftyboss

because there is on the question now if he will refund you

i will recommend contacting Cam

he might help you to pair with the seller

i know once we found him here 😀

is Cam in this chat, or the other one?

@camzjamz sorry for the ping...

help the fellow collector with the contact

just wild to me (not a dev, purely degen/end-user) that FreeWallet has that dispenser literally front and center/at the top in their built in tab. Thought it was pretty permisionless - i.e. automatic dispense.

i know Cam once got refunded by that seller

would be so awesome

lets hope he will do the right thing again

i would consider reviewing my feedback

thank you Slack & Vector for all the help

Dispensers are inherently broken. Frontrunning is always possible, which is why Niftyboss does the community a huge solid with the verified list. Evan and Adam really dislike dispensers and are in progress of creating better solutions. Really sorry this is happening and I am hoping that you can get your funds back.

basically, a bad actor (or even just multiple users) who is running a dispenser can see you sent a transaction in the mempool and they can issue another transaction with a higher fee and get the dispense filled and get the XCP, while your BTC gets sent anyway.

did that happened today?

or he sent and dispenser didnt got triggered?

Not sure, I haven’t looked at the transaction history.

hope the second...

i can check quickly

nope

not a front run

the dispense wasnt cought

Yeah, so hopefully the person will refund you.

but there were no other incomming transactions nowhere close to the same block he had

Right, so it could be this issue;

here

So hopefully the person will just send your money back or send you the XCP

would be very nice of him

I can confirm, that dispenser does not qualify for the verified list, unfortunately

Tomorrow I will try to find out who the operator is, and if there's a way to contact them

You are the best.

found the dispenser owner contacts :)

forwarded to Niftyboss

🚨 Announcement 🚨

Last week the protocol change in Counterparty Core v10.4.0 finally activated, bringing numerous upgrades to the Counterparty protocol including Fair Minting support, UTXO support, Atomic Swaps, etc. Details may be found in this blog post: https://www.counterparty.io/news/counterparty-development-update-counterparty-2-0/

While the vast majority of the community has of course upgraded to this new version, a couple of entities have not:

* xcp.dev seems to not be upgrading
* xcp.ninja and stamped.ninja haven't upgraded, but they have published a banner on the latter site suggesting that they soon will
* J-Dog has announced he's going to support both the current Counterparty protocol and old one on some combination of tokenscan/freewallet/xchain/whatever

All users are *strongly* recommended not to use any of these tools. If you do, *you could accidentally lose your Counterparty assets*, because the forks haven't implemented any replay protection. A list of alternative Counterparty wallets, explorers, marketplaces etc. may be found on the official website (https://www.counterparty.io). If and only if you stick with these tools, your funds are not at risk.

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Are you recommending not to use freewallet indefinitely or just until the replay protection is implemented?

That's difficult to say. Forks are permanent things, and I'd be surprised if any of these guys knows what a replay attack even is. This is also the *second* time this year that Jeremy has attacked the network in this way. I would never use his software personally, and fortunately there are now alternatives available.

Do you still need me to contact the dispenser owner? I have their contact still

If you could do that I would be so grateful. Happy with either the XCP or BTC returned. I sent a good chunk of my liquid to this and in a tough spot now.

please if you can Cam, about 10 blocks ago

his wallet received the payment that didnt triggered dispense

its not the dispenser owner fault

but he ended up with other person btc

was nice of him if he could return to the same address

it came from...

https://mempool.space/tx/68d3fcf396f5af9e4bec11f262cbfa27d2d9c9a187a072b0d6360210558be0ca

the ref

I just messaged them. Says they were last online 10 hours ago

seriously thank you all so much

fingers are crossed

if he will refund you xcp/btc

ill send him PEPETIP

This is abslutely terrible for the community

making the protocol essentially unusable

@pappyG45 yep. it's definitely terrible for their users, but if you just use other tools you're safe

99% of users use freewallet

we are over trying to bring more people in and you guys are moving way too fast and pissing everyone off

Obviously I personally believe Adam and Evan (@teysol and PeriwigReascends), who originally created counterparty and the proof of burn, have the vision, the clout, and the technical capability to bring Counterparty to the forefront of bitcoin L2 innovation. They’ve also shown this with all the changes they made this year.

Not everyone who is running a tool built on Counterparty agrees, and some want to continue with the status quo as it existed at the start of 2024. Just don’t use those tools if you don’t agree. Or attempt to convince the people who operate those tools to upgrade. No one but them has any control over that.

nobody wants to use a browser app

Don’t use it if you don’t want to use it. Build a new wallet if you want.

maybe you guys should have better wallets tools avail before you start breaking shit at least people would have options

We took 9 months to make a single protocol change because we wanted to do it as responsibly as possible. We would have gone slower if possible. Jeremy failing to upgrade until *after* the last possible minute isn't evidence that we went too fast.

There have been bugs definitely, but Jeremy's reports of "breaking things" are simply lies. 100% of the development is out in the open and verifiable. Check GitHub.

we're porting Horizon to other platforms soon!

I beg to differ

Until a few months ago everyone was asking to bring Counterwallet back lol

people are only using horizon to test at this point

Yup, it looks like their beef with J-Dog is more important than the community. 😢

This is really not clever given we are about to enter a bull market.

It’s time to put this feuding behind and work together for the sake of the protocol and community.

A Chrome extension (a la metamask) and mobile versions are coming soon I’ve heard

I literally just went on Breedloves show and talked about counterparty half of the episode now all this shit

Honestly, if you want Freewallet to upgrade, just tell JDog that.

What outcome are you hoping for here?

cant trust dispensers, not sure what tokens your wallet will have on 2 different ledgers... a mess

Absolutely, it’s a huge mess. What do you want the people here to do about it?

I just dont think you guys have a good handle on what people are using

love the dev work love everything you guys are doing but you are also uprooting an entire community that has been doing this for years

maybe you all need to go out in the woods with some shrooms and hug it out

I definitely didn’t want Freewallet to fork. I don’t think anyone except Jeremy and Juan did.

But also do you really want to work with people who are going to hold the counterparty community hostage by refusing to install software every time they don’t get their way? These are dangerous actions by untrustworthy people.

Also hundreds of hours have been wasted in pointless discussions that haven’t brought us to a different place.

Let’s not slander the people who kept the entire project running the past 10 years and handed it back over to you guys without any hassle only to be banned and removed from GitHub. It’s your integrity we are evaluating at this point

I am not a counterparty developer.

Why are you doxxing J-Dogs name, none of us knew it, We didn’t need to know it. This again appears to be childish pettiness.

Please stick to J-Dog.

What goal are you hoping for in this chat right now?

We are trying to tell you recent actions are doing more harm than good.

What actions do you want to occur?

Freewallet to upgrade? If so, that is a conversation for Jeremy.

Have you guys tried to maybe get on a phone call? Talk it out

What outcome of talking it out? jeremy to upgrade?

I know I am being pedantic asking the same question over and over. But really, what is the future you see on Counterparty? What are you hoping happens from here on out?

I’ve been trying to stay out of the drama, but can someone ELI5 me on what we GET with the upgrade? Fairmints and what else?

Are multisends and dispensers and the things we used all the time more costly now?

It’s all documented here:

https://www.counterparty.io/news/counterparty-development-update-counterparty-2-0/

If there are specific things you’re not understanding there, just ask and I am sure people will jump in with answers.

Tone deaf

J hands over xcp

New devs ban him even tho he’s been finding all of your bugs lately

New devs start for profit wallet

New devs then force new upgrade specifically that aligns with their new wallet

New devs say don’t use existing wallet that’s been used for past decade

This is the timeline of events and you guys look like total pricks

What is your vision for the future?

If your goal is just to scold people working 80 hour weeks for likely no pay at all then I think you can understand why Adam might not want to talk to you.

If that’s the sum total of the point of this discussion, I won’t continue to have it with you.

I've had Adam on my show I gave him the UNSPENDABLE asset cause of his new company I'm hear voicing my concerns sorry it hurts your fragile ego

Alright, enjoy the rest of your day.

Jdog handed over xcp? New devs start a for profit wallet? I don't even know where to start... none of this is even remotely accurate and leaves out quite a few critical details

Meanwhile, Jdog is the one posting stuff like this lol: https://x.com/jdogresorg/status/1849487812221124925

Mike! the voice I like to break things down …

Can we see & send stamps in 2.0?

I literally haven’t even opened my wallet in months bc I’m so lost. 😫

I just did... in fact, there isn't complete divergence yet as there is no replay protection in place. Sending around account-bound assets should still be fine, but sending around UTXO-bound assets won't be reflected on both branches. Dispensers also depend on a few factors... its messy...

If you stick to all Counterparty 2.0 tooling, your funds are safe.

really not much incentive to make any tx's right now essentially the entire chain is in limbo until the dust settles

*trust me bro (new guy no one has ever seen or heard of)

That would be safest particularly for the average user. More advanced users can still transact pretty safely if they know what they're doing

Adam made me an admin of this channel, so you’ll have to take his word for it.

also, direct quote from Adam here.

The "dust settling" implies there are 2 potential outcomes here. There aren't. Only one branch is in active development. The other will whither and die, and the longer its maintained only creates market confusion.

As far as I know it will still be possible to use FreeWallet safely _if_ it’s pointing to an updated ledger. But best to wait for clarification

Here's another point people may be missing in terms of the relative viability of each branch. Services like Emblem Vault no longer look to "Dankest, LLC" as the source of truth. This is a critical point for vaulted assets.

Hoping xchain and xchain wallet is end all

Correct - all of the following critical services have successfully upgraded to v10.4+:

emblem vault
spells of genesis
bitcoin stamps
rarepepewallet.wtf
dex-trade (CEX)
zaif (CEX)

i'm curious how the horizon wallet was made as a for profit wallet? is this true?

Did you pay to download it? I didn't

I agree - just saw it posted a few times so wondered what caused some to think this

I'm curious where the royalties for all the faimints are going

royalties? 0o

You setup your fairmint as you like

There should be tiny XCP royalties.
But I can't see how to set them up for

I think its being conflated with the founders having raised money. I don't think there is anything ethically wrong with that. Dankest, LLC also raised money. It's a necessary thing and shouldn't be villanized.

Money is needed to dev

organizations pay Bitcoin core devs

You can't really rely on JPEG to eat xD

Royalties on fair mints don't go to the devs, they go to the fairmint deployer

yes, i don’t think that there is currently any monetization or donation system in Horizon. I am sure longer term they hope to have value-added features, but there are none that I know of right now.

I've been trying to figure out how???!?

It’s not live on the wallet yet, it is only live in the protocol I think.

by the way I'm creating a PEPEFAIR - BTC dispenser page with a lot of verifications and clean UI

I could setup a XCP BTC page too

No that’s incorrect. Horizon wallet is entirely free and open source

and add @Niftyboss1 verified dispensers to that

Freewallet is funded off an opt-out donation system, by default it is around 65 cents USD for every transaction.

so that it's easy to track bad wallets too

I agree with that also - what do the investors get in return since the tokens are already distributed a decade ago

God, UTXO-consolidation would probably eat most of it. Not even sure what the value in that is.

trying to make it easy so it's taking me time 🫠

Hell yes, love all the new tooling being built on Counterparty 2.0.

I love being able to finally really build on Counterparty

Really wants to update the numbering protocol after all that, to not limit it to Nakamotos

I also didn't realized before like 2 weeks that many bitcoin wallets were available as extensions

It's great because you don't even need to be a "web wallet", just connect a Unisat or Leather or whatever

You should give the numbering system a cool name as it technically predates Ordinal Theory (I believe). I think that narrative could be important and applied to Counterparty assets.

Bitcoin tooling has extremely improved. Thx Ordinals & stamps ^^

I agree

It's the Naka protocol :D

NNB, the Naka Numbering Protocol xD

Numbered
Assets
K...
A...

this is going somewhere

Numbered Assets Kek Architecture ?

xD

It's what I did with Stamps: came up with a backronym

Secure
Tradeable
Artifacts
Maintained
Permanently

Numbered Asset Key Assignment System = NAKAS (not sure it makes much sense ^^)

But yeah this could be the next big narrative: Counterparty did it first. Paired with atomic swaps there’s some real memetic juice here

Perfect

Doesn’t need to make sense lol I came up with one for OLGA which was a real stretch lol

Octet-Linked Graphics & Artifacts

this will be easy to link to thenakas club like that ^^

I’m not kidding lol… https://github.com/mikeinspace/stamps/blob/main/OLGA.md

🚀 Exciting news! We now have the MVP of the first Counterparty platform that allows you to buy and sell through atomic swaps 🔥 — eliminating the risks of dispensers, scammers, or front-running. ⚡️

Be among the first to create your own listings! The platform is fully compatible with Leather, Unisat, and OKX wallets, giving you a seamless experience to connect and start trading.

Any feedback from the community would be greatly appreciated as we continue to improve and build out the platform. 🙌

👉 Check it out: https://firemints.xyz/

Is this the Counterparty Classic chat?

Nope it's the counterparty counterparty counterparty one

Official Counterparty General Chat?

It seems we're losing the main discussions channels after some years, as the "official" replaced the former "official"

trevor still own the OG @Counterparty?

hum, it's seems to be Koji!

We could probably get it back

no way!! that’s awesome, i need to ask him to unban me :)

you have him on telegram?

Getting back the OG discussion channel would be best

I did not mean to doxx anyone. J-Dog himself doesn't go by J-Dog anymore, and I'm tired of all of the 17 socks.

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Also his identity has been public for years - posted right on his website:

https://www.coindaddy.io/about-us

Ok, I’ve never seen this before.

Wait a minute... are you saying that Jeremy Johnson the CEO of Dankest, LLC that acquired XChain Platform is also... JDog???

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Said it then and I'll say it now...

"When the elephants fight, the grass gets trampled"

I just been smoking it

I have limited bandwidth for debunking this kind of nonsense, but the reason that this story makes me look like a prick (I'm not sure who else it's referring to) is that it was told by J-Dog, and it just so happens to be completely false. In fact, it describes what *he* did, rather than what *we* have done.

In the years that J-Dog was "maintaining" Counterparty, he took in hundreds of thousands of dollars of donations and made only *48* commits to the node repo. *48* I think Ouziel and I together made 300 in the past week alone. https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/graphs/contributors

J-Dog wasn't maintaining Counterparty, he was pushing his own closed-source, for-profit "XChain". Those commits he did make were largely to benefit himself, and he successfully cemented his position as the only infra provider for the whole protocol by aggressively pushing other developers off the network. J-Dog didn't "hand over" XCP. He rage quit when his attack on the network in January failed, just as it's going to fail this time, because for all of his bluster, J-Dog is obviously not capable of actively maintaining Counterparty.

Horizon Wallet is fully open source and free to use. GitHub repo here: https://github.com/UnspendableLabs/Horizon-Wallet The features we've been developing weren't for our benefit, and you can see that in the fact that we weren't even the first to offer fair mints *or* atomic swaps (!) We did 100% of the protocol development in the open, with tons of input from community members and months of lead time before each protocol change, each of which was accompanied by a formal specification. (e.g. https://www.counterparty.io/news/counterparty-development-update-august-9-2024/) J-Dog on the other hand made mandatory protocol changes with *zero* notice or communication.

Finally, look at the bugs that have been reported and fixed, don't just take J-Dog's word. Of the past 25 issues filed, *1* was from J-Dog. In the entire past year, of the ~*750* issues filed, J-Dog has reported *6*, all over the past two weeks now that he's suddenly been developing his wallet again. 4 of those were not bugs but user error. 1 was fixed already. The final one will be addressed in the next release. (https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues?q=is%3Aissue+author%3Ajdogresorg)

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if there is some XCP bagholder that wants to create some atomic swaps listings could be great :D

at 30$ per XCP? :D

jajaja up to you yes sir

Where is this being done? How can I see these?

here sir

will be adding images for all the assets but for the moment i have just the stamps ones as they are onchain

and PEPEFAIR and MINTS that i had it located

https://firemints.xyz/#assets/XCP

who will do the first xcp Atomic Swap!

I would buy some

Make sure to bind the xcp il the bundle sizes you want to sell

Once it’s bound to split it you have to unbind

Then rebind

Let me try a test with 1. Not sure if i’ll figure it out

let me know if you have any doubt about it

I´m also preparing a video, but will take me a bit

Where's the button for it? Basic questions, i know

you can connect your wallet, in the top right there is a dasboard link

Once you connect in the dashboard tab you´ll see all your CP assets.