- 27 October 2024 (557 messages)
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Oh ok, I only have Horizon right now.
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For sure, makes sense. I need a little more time then to create another wallet and move some funds there. I will try it tomorrow
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By then I´ll have a video explaining all the steps 😃!
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Awesome. Excited to try it out.
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Atomic swaps are 🔥
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totally, it´s so smooth!
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once people get used to will be a game changer
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Mike In Space (@mikeinspace) on X
Counterparty 2.0 has a super power that few people are aware of. I just airdropped a Bitcoin Stamp to the 525 holders of MYSTERYBOX. What did it cost me? 67 cents. How much would it have cost me to airdrop to 1,000... 10,000... 100,000 holders? 67 cents.
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Emblem vault is not the standard of "integrity " here
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So what they are referencing or not referencing really doesn't bother a lot of people who hv had issues with their trustworthiness
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As a user it just is so cringe to witness what is going on
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Air drop = same as dividends? 🤔
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Mike In Space (@mikeinspace) on X
This would have cost a FORTUNE to do on Ordinals/Runes because every airdrop would require pre-splitting UTXOs and individual sends to recipients. With Counterparty 2.0 you can take advantage of the account-balance/UTXO-balance duality of the protocol. Airdrop to
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i am bugs buster lol.
there was never ever a second since i am using freewallet that it would have been bugs free. each time i instal new update my first question is always the same "do they even tested it".
so my advice would be:
If J-Dog did found the time to fix other devs bugs can he please be kind and find a minute to fix his own bugs too ? 😊
if he dont see any of the bugs on newest wallet update, ping me, ill bring you the list to start with.
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I haven't been able to see any of the exchange data (use the CP DEX) for weeks now. Not sure what is causing the problem.
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Feature requests (which are great) for Horizon have a better chance of not being buried in the HorizonXCP chat
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Less of fighting and more tangible results (wallets, functionality) would bring back the trust of people. Continuously you guys keep on arguing who is better , who is not. Why be bothered. Drive in your own lane ,do what you think is good and let public decide what they want to use. Applies both to Adam n Jdog.
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If you want to actually argue about rate limiting thing, as only a user, not a dev, I never had a problem till stamp war started . As far as I am concerned , despite being an early stamper myself (under #500 and under #1000) they cannot escape blame too here
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if you click one time a day , yes then there shouldnt be a problem
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You don't know a thing about me to be commenting personally
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Kindly shut the fuck up
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If you didn't read it properly what I wrote in the beginning, will repeat again.
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I think you have some problem with comprehension. I said it started with the stamp WAR. Not with the start of stamp or when it was popular. I was a part of it during it's peak. So not really talking random
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Just put up my first dispenser using Horizon wallet:
https://explorer.unspendablelabs.com/tx/2bf4630ce273ea136c7c44b7dee6fbc12654c2111fa8b8dbde0e982055fead36
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What’s this?
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Different from dex?
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I think Evan (periwig reascends) mentioned there’s a dex in progress
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Hi! We're getting pk import done now and next thing after that is the dex (i.e. orders). think we should have it done early in the week of Nov 4.
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just the @HorizonXCP channel or the github page. Might be others? But if you ask in that channel you’ll get all the info
https://github.com/UnspendableLabs/horizon-walletGitHub - UnspendableLabs/Horizon-WalletContribute to UnspendableLabs/Horizon-Wallet development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Serialized Tokens
There have been a few conversations in the past on slack about serialized tokens and how they could be accomplished. Unfortunately, all of that conversation history is lost. I think it is time to capture this idea in a forum post and get feedback from the community. The general idea is to be able to assign each token a unique ID which is tracked through the tokens lifecycle. Example Use Joe the artist creates a new piece of artwork called “DigitalCurrency”. Joe now wants to sell the ‘origina...
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J Loone Brickens 🧱 (@wasthatawolf) on X
completed the first rare pepe atomic swap earlier today! 21 PORPEPELAMBOs for 0.00005 BTC LFG!
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hello to everyone
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Joined.
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Hey.
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When I startup a Counterparty 10.x node without docker, just the plain Counterparty, how much storage does it occupy?
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And when I plug a wallet or explorer to it does it still need a separate more performant database or is the plain API/node performant enough?
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I see I see thank you
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How many counterparty groups exist now kek. I've joined like 4 this week
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Is this the fork?
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Welcome! This is the one that is monitored by the people who actively develop counterparty. All the newest features and updates will be announced here.
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Freewallet or...whatever?? Kekasf
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Low membership in here. How will the community find this page?
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There are literally dozens of us
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Yeah, it’s unfortunate. People will come eventually. People just have to share it as they can. I was muted by J-Dog for sharing it twice so I can’t do that anymore. J-Dog wont relinquish ownership rights to the “official group” so it has no counterparty developers in it.
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It’s all stupid. But the technology will progress anyway.
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Whats the opposite of a fork? We need that. Unity
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With a decentralized system, you can’t control what version of the software people are running. But for the most part, every major Counterparty tool is on the latest and greatest. Lots of new tooling by lots of different people being built on Counterparty 2.0 (scroll up!)
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Reports by J-Dog to the contrary, the node API has been kept 100% backwards-compatible (except in one case of a security vulnerability. Our first goal has always been to do whatever we could to keep the network unified. There have been a few bugs of course (mea culpa 🙏) but we have been fixing them *aggressively*. The only reason anyone would fork now is purely political.
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Smh
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Anyways, if your goal is try and get JDog to stop running a fork, he isn’t in this chat so you’ll have to have to talk to him somewhere else.
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If he does that, I am sure the banner warning people about the fork will go away.
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Otherwise, it would be immoral to allow people to run a wallet on a fork that only one or two people are running without being crystal clear that they may lose funds on the main chain.
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Which wallet or wallets are updated and safe to use atm ?
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PEPESPOON
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S E C R E T A R V I K S
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Who is the big spoon is the question
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You'll have to wait and see
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It's quite simple to be all on the same page. Actively maintening a contentious fork is a deliberate choice to create division. It just need to not be done
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Anyone can fork at any time? The idea that we must advert forking at all costs seems overrated.
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It’s just the concern that people are going to use 9.6 without realizing they may lose their assets on the main chain because forks are unpredictable
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Sounds like you are trying to be my mom.
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You’re free to lose your money however you want!
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SRCPad | Official Launchpad of SRC-20 (@srcpad_pro) on X
🚀 Introducing https://t.co/6wFWsaQDl2 — The first platform that lets you buy and sell Counterparty assets in just two clicks with the power of atomic swaps! 🔥💥 🎁 Big Giveaway Alert! Make sure to read till the end for a chance to win amazing prizes! 🎯 🎬 Watch the video to
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their will be a lot of angry freewallet users
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I thought t.me/counterparty was the official group 😆Counterparty XCP
A place to discuss Counterparty XCP
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lol it’s certainly not active
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Yeah, better to ask JDog what his plan is in Freewallet
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Anyone can run old versions and give them funny names
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ok, so if I get leather, it's a bitcoin wallet, so my XCP won't show up until I import it into firemints? only legacy and bc1q addresses etc
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I want to run 3.0
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I need the presegwit version because we all know segwit isn’t bitcoin
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anyone in there can you ask Koji to unban me? TIA
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But was this done to increase dispenser security? I think that rugspensers were a huge problem in CP although maybe they helped onboard. I would argue even if one had to do 5 transactions to ensure they are safe to use is better than only having to do 1 trans but having risk that you get scammed. Maybe the old way is simple and gets guys like stack rich but we need a rugproof exchange option for future growth
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Founders have been working their asses off for XCP
Built working explorer, wallet, optimized infra, added loads of new features, new api, etc…
Handled the bugs asap.
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Ha bro I barely know how to use telegram, I’m not monitoring your status
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how did rugspensers helped me to get rich?
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Yeah, JDog went on a muting spree. I'm muted too.
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Is it possible to do this over DM? Would like to keep this chat to things relevant to the majority of people in here. I'm sorry you can't respond in that chat 😕
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Thanks vector
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👍I sincerely hope everyone shares the same enthusiasm . Can't say I do bcoz at the end of the way the fights are a bad publicity for counterparty. Wish you ppl the very best
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I just ban hot Chinese girls
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And I never disagreed that founders been working hard. It's just that the negativity is starting to affect
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dmed you
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Doing anything worthwhile is never easy
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last time i am telling you that on your group someone wrote accusation about me
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Telegram is super confusing, kind of amazing really
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👍Hope counterparty succeeds. More for my sake than anyone elses 😁
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I think it will all shake out. People want new cool shit
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I would not say xcp.dev is a killer app
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Yes anyone can fork at any time. The risk is that the value of all assets on all forks could be impaired. Market confusion is never good.
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Whatever
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go rugpull someone
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This dude “Vector” came out of nowhere
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thats bitcoin
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yes you can see it connecting to the platform, same as all of your other counterparty assets balances
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but i recommend better unisat
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man all these wallets are chrome only lol. i hate having that shit on my computer
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you can use chromium not need to be chrome
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Imagine if hot Chinese girls was the key to counterparty’s success and we’ve just been turning them away this whole time thinking they were bots
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ok, 2 XCP are en route to my unisat, and some BTC dust
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i'm in 😎 is there anything I should be aware of as far as pitfalls here?
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No sir there are two steps for listing first you need to bind to an uto the qty you want to sell and once the bind utxo tx is confirmed you will have to list for a price signing a psbt( this psbt has no cost for you) when someone buys it he will pay for the tx mining cost + your price + service fee
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I'm asking because I didn't totally follow what Derp was talking about
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ohh, so did I not need the dust?
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Thanks for the clarifications
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Great. Binding now
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is there any way to see (with a link or something) the transactions in the mempool once I've submitted it?
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oh i missed it and it went away
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Bitcoin Address: bc1quzd34xfep4ap3yl9hddk39g36ftsu9qxcfa0df
Explore the full Bitcoin ecosystem with The Mempool Open Source Project®. See the real-time status of your transactions, get network info, and more.
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Yes. One small bug report - the arrows alllow you to go to negative numbers
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ok created the sell order
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hold on, the price maybe didn't take or I entered it incorrectly
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it's cancelled
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so it should be in SATs?
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got it, so it's the total for the entire lot
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So in general, is it only possible to fill the entire lot or are partial fills acceptable?
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I listed again, more correctly this time lol
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nop partial fills are not possible with atomic swaps
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How is the service fee calculated? Is it fixed regardless of quantity?
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we have the first listing :D
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it is 2% but to avoid dust (that with the mints we had to pay 1.5k$ to consolidate) we have a minimum fee of 10.000 sats
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So minimum service fee of around 6.50 at current price, and only full lots filled at the moment because of the nature of atomic swaps. Basically you want bigger orders
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Hahaha. I have a bunch more but I'm not selling now!!
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Yeah dispensers for small amount and Atomic Swaps for big is a great balance
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awesome, makes sense. just wanted to test it out
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Why is dispensers better for small amounts?
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It's not native to the protocol. The large fee is coming from fairmints.xyz
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I only paid one tx fee to bind, then nothing to list, i think?
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lol just Chinese bots
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You just need 1 tx to get the token, 2 for atomic swap
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Right, no partial fills. Full order only
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Did firemints.xyz pay the listing fee? I only see it cost me about 50c to do the UTXO + listing
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To sell its one tx to bind utxo and one signature to do the partial signature
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And one te buy
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It's firemint*
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let me look on horizon
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If you but a binded utxo you can sell It just doing the partial signature
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2 tx same as dispensers
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Just the buyer pay the fee of the platform
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So 2 tx for seller and 1 for buyer?
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I'm just using as example because everyday I see people losing funds and asking for refunds in the chats and most times it seems to be with you stack. Everyday I login I see someone asking stack to please refund 😂. I did not cause this just an example from what I see why so mad with me lol
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no just 1 + 1
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The opposite?
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Yes, I just paid one fee. Sorry, trying to figure out how to see the tx history
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yes you just pay for the utxo bind
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First time for everyone in Counterparty, actually you are among the 10 first to do it
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show me a single example. a single one. if someone asked for a refund it doesnt mean its related with me
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Here's the address -
https://explorer.unspendablelabs.com/addresses/bc1quzd34xfep4ap3yl9hddk39g36ftsu9qxcfa0df
It's possible I can't look at the UTXO history because it's not supported in horizon yet?Horizon ExplorerHorizon Explorer by Unspendable Labs
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@stackbtc with atomics you wont have these problems of refunds lol
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Yes, I just paid one fee
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Ok so 2 tx for buyer, 1 for seller
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1 tx broadcasted and paied fees for it, the other is not broadcasted until the buyer buys it
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could be possible to unwrap in the same buy tx but then you would require to bind again for selling
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Are you serious lol?
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YES i am!!!
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yes the advantage of not been frontruned and not rugspenser
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Can you guys talk over DM? I don't think this is relevant to anyone else
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I said dispensers
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I'm done talking to him, he was one who brought it up here
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oh yes just to be able to buy partial fillings
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Not really. If you want to buy just 1 XCP it will probably be easier with a dispenser
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Why?
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you fagot called my name on other chat and telling me it was me who started?
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Stack, DM please
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Because you need to find a wrap with 1 XCP in it
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fuck off scammer
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That shouldn’t be difficult?
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For sure. I think the only issue here is that firemints is charging a fee with a high minimum, so it wouldn't make sense to do small orders on this provider
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It may cost a little more…
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you accused someone for no reason and you want me to keep silent like nothing wrong you fuck?
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The point is more that you can buy whatever amount you want on a dispenser
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I don't think it does cost more at the protocol level
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Ok add me to this list lmao, I'm just another one of the 10000 people to call you a scammer then. Now let's move on
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and first rarepepe buyed ;)
https://explorer.unspendablelabs.com/tx/21a502ff8a2a48a10aaa534bbc36f6d74c4e82cf86149bf3a3f0a4e174c8d380Horizon ExplorerHorizon Explorer by Unspendable Labs
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I mean the seller won’t have to do multiple txs so it may be a little cheaper to buy from
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I might be misunderstanding, but there's a BTC TX fee to open a dispenser, and there's a tx fee to bind to UTXO. So what's the fee difference?
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Stack, I will mute you if you keep it up. We're trying to have a conversation about a protocol feature
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Please, DM. 3rd time I asked
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https://mempool.space/tx/21a502ff8a2a48a10aaa534bbc36f6d74c4e82cf86149bf3a3f0a4e174c8d380
first rarepepe atomic swap in firemints.xyz :DBitcoin Transaction: 21a502ff8a2a48a10aaa534bbc36f6d74c4e82cf86149bf3a3f0a4e174c8d380Explore the full Bitcoin ecosystem with The Mempool Open Source Project®. See the real-time status of your transactions, get network info, and more.
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My reputation compared to yours is comparing an elephant and an ant in this community
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look at the OP_RETURN
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LOL
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So dispensers will be useful for that imo @XCERXCP
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A rare pepe is listed or was bought?
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Mark Sim
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was listed and i bough :D
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Alright man, muting you for one day
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a bit overpriced but wanted to have the first rarepepe sold in my platform :)
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I think for smallers buys in tokens specially makes sense dispensers while there is not LP. But for higher quantities to avoid rugs or issues with frontrunning and having to give back what It was paid for buyerd that didnt got their assete atomics fits perfect
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I feel like people won't want to get scammed for small quantities either though?
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I guess at the protocol level, the issue preventing small buys is not really the transaction fee, its the lack of partial fills, because sellers would have to create a million listings for small buyers
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Well, I've got 2 XCP for sale, lol
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Yeah, but you won't see it at the address using Unisat's wallet. You would have to view it using a counterparty-enabled explorer etc
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But yep, I just created a segwit unisat wallet and connected it onto firemints.xyz . Exactly
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Same if you log on fairmints.io
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recommendation for you on usability - when you haven't gotten anything connected, it's still possible to click on the dashboard button but everything just shows as "loading" forever, which is a little confusing. Maybe also grey out the dashboard button or show something different there if you haven't connected a wallet yet
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maybe a message so you know that you have to connect your wallet?
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just fixing your other bug reports now will be pushed soon, thank you so much :D
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The dispenser can dispense a million times and the seller only pays a one time fee
Where the atomic swap, the seller needs to pay a fee for each sale
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Probably suggest connecting first. Wondering if the connect button can also be where you select the wallet type. Seeing it greyed out without any explanation confused me
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can you dm me? i dont understand this one
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This seems really cool.
It looks like this platform supports CP assets, runes, ordinals, and mints —- is that correct?
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no sir this platform is just for counterparty for the moment
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Thank you —- but I get the feeling more is on the way 🍾
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I thought horizon wallet is a counterparty wallet?
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it is
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yes i was meaning of not cp assets
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Should I unmute him here?
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I will relenquish my ownership and modship to Adam as early as possible next week, I was just helping with the channel naming a few days ago. No desire to mod at all 😂
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If you want the chat to be filled with disrespectful messages and crying like a little baby then this is a good idea
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Can we consider a better name for this chat group.
This seems to be a channel where the core devs are responding / providing updates but name does not indicate anything. There are other channels with a lot of vitriol right now called official where the majority of the users come for their updates.
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Atomic swaps as an onramp/offramp to the CP universe
Historically, the DEX has worked fine to use XCP or pepecash to buy and sell NFTs and other counterparty assets.
However, it was completely unusable for trading with BTC.
So if anyone wanted to start trading CP assets on the DEX, the only onramp was to buy XCP through the highly problematic dispensers.
IF the atomic swap feature enables smooth/quick/reliable trading between BTC and XCP, it will immensely improve the ease with which new users can enter the CP universe and start trading CP assets (along with others like runes, ordinals, etc.).
The lack of a smooth on/offramp was also probably a key factor for why many of the high value rarepepes ended up being traded on ETH based collectible platforms.
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I think we all became so used to the way things were (impossible to trade with BTC on DEX), that we just adjusted and forgot how much of an impediment it was to onboarding new users.
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Agreed 100%
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The big board on rarepepewallet was my favorite way of browsing and buying Rare Pepe cards. It's how I finally figured out how to use Counterparty back in the day. I bought 100K PEPECASH from Rare Pepe Trader and went on a shopping spree.
Since then, whenever I had a little pile of PEPECASH or XCP I would head over to the Big Board and see if there were any cards there that I didn't have that were in my price range.
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Yes, the exchange was great for XCP and pepecash holders.
The problem was no reliable way for anyone with BTC or other crypto to get into the system (buy XCP/pepecash).
And for those who made some big $$$ selling rarepepes for XCP/pepecash, it was hard to get back to BTC.
I imagine that is why so many rarepepes ended up trading on places like Opensea.
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Yes, of course. There is lots of money on the ETH side which is why the Emblem vaults are always sold at a higher premium. It's almost like a "lazy" tax.
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so, if a big board is created where buys can be done in BTC that would be amazing, and keep the tokens on Counterparty instead of in vaults in peoples ETH wallets which seems to be just for clout.
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I unvault every pepe I buy immediately and send it back to my CP wallet.
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There is even more money on the ordinals/btc side now
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Honestly, I'm a Counterparty maxi. I look at ETH drops and Ordinals, etc. But Counterparty is where my very favorite group of people and artists reside.
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I hear you, but call me crazy, I think we need a channel for general discussion of Counterparty that isn't completely filled with toxic nonsense that has zero connection to reality. There's no separate Counterparty 2.0 or Counterparty v10 or whatever. It's all backwards-compatible lol. There's just J-Dog attacking the network _again_ because the iron grip he has held on the ecosystem for years, preventing it from growing at all, is evaporating.
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this. And becoming able to do most of what we can do with ETH & more than Ordinals is GREAT
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I think the best thing to do is to make it clear to people that this is where the protocol discussion is happening and this is where you can communicate with the core devs. Share it and tell people. JDog is going to cling to any last power he has: He’s going to fork the network intentionally and pretend he has no choice, and he’s going to keep the ownership of the “official” counterparty chat, just to confuse people and control the narrative in the direction that he wants.
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i didn't follow.. j-dog wants to fork for real?
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Yeah. Sadly. You can talk with him in the “official counterparty chat” where everyone has been asking him not to for days. He is going to start up a bunch of 9.6 nodes and run his tool suite against both 9.6 and 10.6, which is going to be super confusing and lead to loss of funds for FW users
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Don't get me wrong... I know we're in a shitty situation. After Counterwallet broke last year (when J-Dog broke it — https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/1294) everyone was forced to use Freewallet (...) which, despite its issues, is still the only feature-complete Counterparty wallet out there. Now J-Dog has said he's going to fork (to the last version that he committed to), users that stick with Freewallet are at risk of loss of funds and so everyone needs to switch. Others are building alternatives, but that takes time, and switching is painful. Add to that the confusion caused by all of the nonsense that he's peddling... it's very frustrating.
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Yes! here:
https://docs.counterparty.io/docs/basics/getting-started/Getting Started | CounterpartyInstall Counterparty Core
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how can i migrate my assets from freewallet?
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thats concerning
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I just swept them to rpw.wtf ledger wallet
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sorry but i had to do many other things during the last days and didn't follow....