decentralize and fix CA system - done

the challenge is integrating it with existing DNS, there's a tough one

or replacing it, even tougher

most people resort to dismissive replies, indeed

bottom line - the problems are real, and the ideas are valid

DSN was a great thing, but there are enormous problems

MITM attacks alone are a severe issue

mostly caused by this screwy CA system

true but unrelated, again running away from logical argument

MG writing a novel

well while we wait, here's a great example of MITM attack caused by current CA system: Gov't of France caught in 2013 MITM'ing French gmail users by forging gmail certs. This happens a lot, it's almost impossible to catch. Only Google and Microsoft can catch it, since they have both the browser and the CA hat signs certs for major sites.

the chrome brwser knew the forged certs weren't right, even though they were valid (signed by trusted CA)

Nope, the hosting itself is p2p ewuovalent og github pages more or less.. but the domains aren't friendly.. so the idea is users will run a modified beaker browser that's built with a resolver inside which queries coounterparty nodes & users just to use the data field in the counterparty asset description as a placeholder for the DAT public keys, so name resolution can be a "vanity" easy to remember address instead of a long public key.

e.g. you register the asset BITCORN and then you just have to type in bitcorn into beaker to load bitcorns p2p webspace. Or bitcorn.crops if you wanted to use your own subasset as a namespace etc

Coin Prism is no more, namecoin is more or less expired. I think the notion of being able to register a domain the same way as you would an asset using counterparty, secured by the blockchain is something that makes sense and would provide an extra use case. Especially when you consider the fact people can seamlessly trade their domains on the Dex, access control to sites can be configured by means of tokens/signatures and all that other lovely decentralized empowering stuff.

I for one would get involved buying/trading assets more regularly if I could point them to something and if others were doing the same

tech solutions work, political ones don't

government WAS th eproblem in that case

lol, I'm doing the old illuminated phone balancing precariously above the head trick. Not the fastest keyboard tapper out there

oh geez, I'm gonna read all this now ..... gimme a while

https://blockstack.org/faq Here is another alternative with a few novel ideas in a similar veign (rose from NMC's ashes) and cites counterparty in the whitepaper

Yeah sounds like the same solution from 2010 namecoin. It's not dead, or expired, or taken over or whatever else you're suggesting. How's this something new?

Also how big is the CP description field? Big enough for public keys? (I have no idea)

So I'm implying that it'll be the same solution, with the same challenges waiting to be solved.

namely, how to get Joe Mainstreet to be able to resolve your domain name and get to your site?

Yeah actually I think this guy Greg came up with a terrific solution. A lightweight DSN resolver that queried DNS blockchains first, then handed off the query to a legacy resolver if it was a conventional name. The idea is to run this on routers, since pretty much everyone has one. DNSChain is the name of it.

https://blog.acolyer.org/2018/02/07/blockstack-a-global-naming-and-storage-system-secured-by-blockchain/ Here is a quick summary of some of the issues surrounding NMC and why there was movement away from it. (I support namecoin and have for a while, I beleive it was one of the first with a tangible value proposition) but there are valid concerns with it at this point

I did some of th etech writing for that one, had one running for a while too, but he failed to get traction for his idea and kinda went down this other lunatic fringe path.

Yes, barely though

I'm very familiar with the problems of Namecoin - 99% political, just exactly like the problems of Counterparty.

Also they stopped development work becasue they ran out of money. Emercoin really extended all their ideas, but still faces the integration problem.

Same as all the other decentralized webs, either via a custom browser, plugin, or a public gateway like IPFS which obviously would nullify a lot of the point

That's a problem then - the key size will need to continue to grow in the near term.

Yup, was sad to see NMC decline. Onename are fairly well funded though are they not?

Exactly - all of these face the last mile problem. DNSChain had a great solution, just need a router mfg to get onboard and the founder to stay sane for a while.

no comment on Onename

we really are waaaaaaaay off topic for this chat tho, luckily Dan's being very patient

All these CJDNs and the likes were trying the same thing half baked custom router fws for some kinda meshnet

DNSChain server does local RPC calls to blockchains running on same box, then queries other known DNSChain servers to resolve blockchain names, hands ff to powerDNS or other resolver for reggular names. Really works well too.

Yeah oops, my bad for starting the snowball, wasn't really trying too talk about DNS originally just curious to see whether assets could be seperately parsed and ehrthet there was any clear. notion of seperate 'classes' of assets in the XCP ecosystem that could be ID'd

Interesting. Not looked too heavily into that so far

Solves both censorship and MITM issues. 👍

The Namecoin lead dev has a different idea how to solve. He worked on browser plugins until he realized mass adoption was a pipedream. Now he works toward another funky solution, but I like this better. DNSChain running on home/office routers - bingo!

Wonder if you could port a kind of dnschain lite to a drivechain

No idea about drivechain.

I'm also skeptical of this taking off outside of fringe fanatics and the curious but it's a fascinating thing to explore

I should spin up a dnschain server again and point my machine to it. I still like the idea, but had a fallingout with the guy because he became some 911 denier evangelist.

Lol. Yeah need that incentive and critical mass to attract and he's probably not doing any favors with that kind of attitude

He was a cool guh for the longest, he went to school with Aaron Swartz and that's what got him started doing comp security, but he kinda lost it after he moved to San Fran.

Happens to the best of them

Or so I've heard

Yeah paranoia is hard to deal with.

would say I agree with you but not sure I trust you 😁

Me and Dante did one episode podcast about blockchain-based DNS in 2014, but it sucked, so we never kept going - had Oleg the lead dev from Emercoin interview too, but his accent too thick to grok what he says.

I had a lot I wanted to say about it, wrote some articles and shit too, but eventually got tired of evangelizing this.

I heard youtube has made some strides in it's auto subtitling. Might be worth trying to give that a whirl and seeing if he had some gems

Yeah check out emercoin's DNS, they really extended eery single idea namecoin had, and fixed a lot of the shortcomings.

I tried to get involved later on with some startup effort to do DNS on Bitshares too, but that was DOA. Larimer had no clue what the problems with DNS were and how to fix them.

yeah I have some protoshares laying around I never converted

Larimer is convinced the problem with DNS is domain squatting, plain and simple. Opena and shut case.

Censorship, fine. Security - what me worry?

Tried it a while back and got nowhere, you need to convert using an old client and then again- quite a convoluted process which ultimately didn't end up working

Squatters gonna squat, I'd argue it's a net positive but each to their own.

I don't thinkit's a problem either. You can do things to alleviate to - as Emercoin did. In earliest few days it cost a fortune to register a domain.

ADN in the firs tweek, if memory serves there were limits on the duration of the registration.

But Larimer wanted some convoluted auction system for every name. It was crazy complicated, like everything he builds.

Will have to properly look into emercoin since I haven't yet. Sounds interesting though, not sure how I missed it

They used better TLDs too - .coin

I should renew some of mine for shits n grins. Nobody can resolve them tho.

I still ue that chain for timestamping/notarization.

Just did that last week.

Why not btc, purely for the permanence?

clearsigned some project notes i have by PGP, then inserted hashes into emercoin chain in a format I evangelized on Namecoin forums back in the day.

this is cheaper, I have lots of old stuff already there and this guy is my friend :)

Ah fair enough, I wonder sometimes about all these myriad forgotten ghost chains and semi abandoned projects whether there's gonna be some kind of museum, forensic archaelogy digging out the remnants of the chains

basically free for me, cause in the first days, you had to get Emercoins from Oleg. I sent him $10 of BTC and he sent me thousands of them. I wasted half, then this year I went back and looked and still had half of them LOL

They went on to do other stuff, likemgmt of SSH keys, now they have built a system to map VOIP numbers to Emercoin addresses.

like DNS for VOIP

They have a guy on the team who is an expert in STUN protocol, so...

Using CP for DNS sounds intruiging tho - I wonder how feasible it really is?

I dont know much about Counterparty.

That's pretty cool still. Hope they can find a niche and market the solution as some kind of service or enterprise solution because that's probably the best chance they have of it stickking round in the public eye now that nowadays its all about marketing and flashy deals and getting that sweet liquidity for a project to thrive and not just survive

Would be super easy. Simply make a DAT site or clone an existing DAT site like you'd clone a git repo, then register an asset (domain) of your choice then paste the public key in the description field

Yeha we'll see. They have money from some deal they signed wth Microsoft, and they just signed some nice deals too that he was trying to tell me about. But yeah they still search for the killer app.

Then you'd have a resolver which queries a counterpartyd for that name and returns the public key, that's the most amateur and simple version I could think of as a demo

user would have to be running a custom browser or plugin of course however

It should be easy to modify DNSchain to ask a CP server about those domain names too. Assuming there's a RPC interface available (no idea)

you could negate that if you resolved asset names to standard IP's but of course theirs less point in that

what is the interface to talk to CP server?

On DNschain or XCP you mean?

There is an RPC iface

yeah get the server to resolve queries by interrogating a local CP server

oh cool

that's how it's currently built, so shouldn't be too hard

I like the system of assets in counterparty although I haven't played much with the daemons, they kind of just work

same here, the tech is nice, but I dont know much about it

And then you have the dex, permitting a third party market for people to trade those assets (or domains if you see them like that) directly p2p

yeah, you'd get that for free

Pretty elegant when you compare the current market for trying to purchase/trade/sell a domain

yep

Not that it'll ever take off but it's nice to dream

IMO the dex was one of counterparties chief innovations & stepped in to save people from the kind of goxxing that was rampant when you hold your private keys on a centralized service, but XCP hasn't as much liquidity as BTC and paying with BTC is a bit slow and clunky

Years later and there's a lot of hype about decentralised exchanges, especially building on ETH, they have the advantage of being able to wrap ETH to a natiive ERC-20 token and interacting with a more liquid ecosystem but none of them have truly taken off either

yeah hundreds of projects to build DEX

those solidity contracts are a dream come true for malicious hackers

Yeah I've heard

are you planning to pursue this?

yeah I'd like to but I haven't got the skill or time to do it myself, I'd like to get the idea out there if some people agree to it, then I'm open to contribute funding and what little I can. I think it would be beneficial even if it doesn't go that far.. but we should prob leave our in depth ramblings to the main counterparty chat if anywhere and let this be the lush fields of virtual crops and crypto collectibles that it is supposed to be

agree - way too much pollution of the Bitcorn chat

/image corncombine

love that one

I love ponxis

Yoo

This is HEAT😳😳

This game is awesome too I just caught up on all the medium posts, I’m looking forward to getting going with it and big ups to my guy @toKennethCarson for filling me in I can’t believe I’ve been missing this

/image BITCORNROWS

/image FARMCAT

/image cornspiracy

My favorite card as well, can’t wait to drive that thing around for next harvest

Hi

I have not dead, my Internet if...

Got a moisture meter to check some of these cards.

Also went to a blockchain conference last week with “bitcorns farmer” on my name tag

to measure Dankness

lol

💪🏼

🤪

About to set up my farm I’m so gassed up for this

that's really nice

with a touch of sriracha would be perfect 🌶️🌶️🌶️

will it be like that from now on?

just to know

I’m going to vote no on everything just so everyone knows

shit, so moist lol

Maybe from me. Needs more work, but the potential is there

We seem to be getting quite judgemental here, so I plan to vote yes on every one.

Besides, I don't know what's good art, just what I personally like.

since we're just going to cancel out our votes lets just both agree to not vote

sounds good, you go first

lol not vote first?

yeah, tell me when you've not done it

just out of curiosity, what is the outcome when it's a tie?

these are great

LOL

your podcast the other day was great 👍

i couldnt vote no, its hard corn punk

very different sort of card....

Is this a democracy.. or a CORNfederation?

yes

A cornfederation

This is A-level pun game here

Cornism reference on the bottom of this card. Are the cornists with, or against the CORNPARTY?

not against the CORNPARTY

for corn

what is nfsw?

NFSW→NSFW

Not Safe For Work

Did we like the corn democracy and voting on cards?

Working on card art today for a few of my ideas.... Is .gif working?

https://youtu.be/6wO53A5DmZI?t=14m28s

ROFL this is still good haha air horn

hahahah

hahaha im having a nervous breakdown

Cornunism

Has anyone made an acorns card?

Lol

Or a cornucopia

I haven’t started collecting bitcorns cards yet but god damn I need a corn flag

btw here's a sticker with text big enough to read

I learned a lot about rare pepe history and wallet listening to that podcast FWIW, highly recommended listening

Nice! Yeah I thought it came out really well, Marty does a good job moving the conversation

I just spent my day making a corny Dragonball Z joke for a card for a bitcorn game that nobody in my life can understand despite my best efforts to explain it. What am I doing with my life?

Congratulations. You are one of the 200 weirdest people on the internet.

Haha yup we are all on the same boat

/image BITCORNROWS

?

Whaaaaa

/image cornlegend

/image lambogarage.cosby

Is this BITCORN CROPS thing worth getting into? I feel like I've invested so much into pepe lately.

Diversify

Bitcoin Maximalists don't diversify.

On the contrary, a maximalist is more likely to hold long term, so an idle game is just your bag baby

https://youtu.be/TdCGrS74B-0

Yes that speaks the truth, “signals“ are rekt

Ill trade 1 thEOS for one blackcorn

Did you make black corn?

Gimmie gimmie gimme, gimmie some corn

Im about to have a nervous breakdown my corn really hurts if i dont find away out of here my corns bezerk

My. CORN you say you re my friend but you re one of them one of them its MYYYYY. CORN

i think thEOS mainnet is having some trouble.

sorry need to find that charger

Theres going to be a corn minority , corn pride we are american

i'll get my block producer online tonight

I just cornified 4 black flag songs

👍

https://youtu.be/302oEzSPCqE

https://youtu.be/8eMvryXDHWQ

https://youtu.be/dfKtq6W5s2s

Nervous breakdown about corn

My war = my corn

White minority = corn minority

lol

us classic hard core punk !!

hard corn punk

corn punk!

/image CORNFLAG

corn brains

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soBqy2XDpHg

I'm sorry dirty thread😂

3 CORNFLAGs were listed on DEX about 20 minutes ago for 1 XCP ea.

corn brains lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vclUfHGKpOc

Lol

Lots of ETH games with farm in the name on the top games list. Bitcorn crops has the only real farmers though.

Very cool to be one of the only bitcoin games and listed under friends

From an outsiders perspective I wonder where to peg block chain gaming on the adoption curve

I think mg means gaming from his outsiders perspective

what if black flag cards take over bitcorns

then a smart person will make a DK cards to balance the scene

maybe it doesn't have to be a smart person

lol

current corny stats:
280 farms
131 with names
63 with custom art
58 card submissions
8 battling farms

Battling farms?

dunno, my data feed is stuck ....

who made the black flag card

I need one, I will trade one thEOS

It's Japanese

damn

thats so perfect

god dammit why didnt i think of that

Curtis Maizefield

I thought it was @xoxbox

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Do you want me to trade card?

yes please

Very nice

it's a garden party

Nice colourway going on there the bitcorns illustrated cards really are of high calibre

Sooooooooooo moist

Does anybody have any Crow I can eat?

/image thescarecrow

Sorry I've been such a bugger, Dan

And squashed gains new deeper, moister meanings

Only the most elite bitcorners get banned.

Never forget that 911 still needs to be investigated

Damn this is some of the best art work I’ve seen, love this card!

amazing art!!

/image HIMAWARI

until next harvest, she will only be available for sale by the artist.

Who did the art?

I like it and want one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITMrnKuyJdQ

knowledge

https://twitter.com/thinking_14

whoa dope card

OMG 😱

That is next level

with a name like that I'm surprised he's fully clothed

Pretty goooooood! : )

Amazing design

LordofCorn and CornLegend for 4xcp each.... DM me.. send me some offers

wow

I'll take a LORDOFCORN if I can get the crown included

Hahaha

thescarecrow is also available at 4 XCP

/image thescarecrow

I FEEL LIKE CORN

Maybe if I eat corn the corn gods will give us some green candles

Do it Wendy

Just update the chart pallete and make green candles yellow

I’ll see if I can do a TradingView corn pallete later

Red candles brown? Like dry wilting stalks?

Will any BITCORN sell orders be posted or reasonable buy orders filled???

feel like makin corn, dun dunna dunna dunna, feel like making corn tonight

Sickkk

will xcp data be made public and/or will more trivia quizes be held?

Can I auction the right to edit my farm?

Like http://www.farmstayus.com

Interested in becoming a farmer, come stay at the field of dreams for a fee

https://soundcloud.com/artontheblockchain/episode-16-live-from-ethereal-summit-in-ny

Saw you doing this was thinking that DAAB would make a perfect button

For sure!

I want to offer buttons for any counterparty asset image

Ideally

I’d send you some corn for one

I think when I make it official minimum order will be five. Sent the first two orders out today one to Mexico and one to Japan and they were both about $15 each for about a dozen

👍

unboxing video.. great idea :)

One of my best Commission of bitcorn

excellent work

It's so fucking good

/image cornboss

/image coolcorn

/image ladroncorns

/image roostercorn

/image cornpatrol

so God damn moist

lol RVN

Is that Boss on Bass, Ladron on Drums and Rooster on Guitar? Looks like a supergroup collaboration

I'm also getting bombarded lately.

I average about 5 per day

Did you buy a domain recently?

The day after i bought a few and didn't do the privacy I got 15+ all from india wanting to build me a website

Totally ICANN's fault. Many folks including me have been fighting for years to get them to allow registrations with no accuracy requirements for domain registrations. Technically they can confiscate domains that don't comply - and have been pushing to require a 5th contact which would include a street address and working phone number. Fine for big companes who have legal officers for this. Luckily this horrible GDPR has taken care of their requirements for publishing PII.

Spammers have surfed the WHOIS data for years, a very rich source of targets.

yet another reason for blockchain-based DNS

I keep my whois private and still get 15 calls a day

Private registration's often the best option unless the domain is valuable. It's problematic because the actual registrant is the privacy company, you're just an entry in a database, and these things do get stolen fairly often. Similar to keeping coins on an exchange - you really only have an account balance/IOU.

good point tho - this is not the main source of robocalls, it's a source of email spam, domain theft

Did bitcorn update their privacy policy, too?

so much gold in that one! nice work. It's held at a japanese farm, who submimtted?

lol

What are you missing?

gotta catch them all

no BITCORNMASH ever moved

1BfbEGGtu5hvFBdTuYPtgVMvHboZHtdJ7Y

Haha I hear the word give away and just paste

twitter will translate for you but it says: "The #bitcorn card was made 🐸"Corn Patrol" was issued, so we distribute it to two people by lottery.
RT and Counterwallet address reply please. The deadline is May 27. "

1E5LJXUG6MjWGwU36CrZLRRAYWETKM7z9k

I think she wants you to RT, but I'm not sure cause I'm illiterate

Me too.. XD

retweet and post address as reply to tweet is how i read it

10-4

Smart marketing move

Like & Subscribe

Smash dat RT

Another sign that money doesn’t sleep

Million dollar moves at 1am EST

indiewallet / takara bug exploit?

I suppose you could use questions that have the answer posted in TG chat, but that really limits who can collect it 😞

Brb

there is/was a substantial amount of bitcoin out in the middle of nowhere ocean as a reward for someone to be able to spoof it. wonder if they considered shipping and sailing routes.

a silo, a true resting ground for your corns

that is a bit rubbish

phalic

I might need a new silo for next harvest

saadsilo.

Magikian cornfirmed

gave mine a lick of paint...

That was actually just a poor quality run of the mill cornsilo, my bitcornsilo still fully erect

tall and girthy

viagra fix

100% marketing tactic

Any bitcorn bounties for getting banned from mafia wars? Asking for a friend

lol

Yes

Lol nice!

smells like bacon

does it run on corn oil?

it'll run on CORNETHANOL no doubt

exactly, very enviro friendly

/image CORNETHANOL

Fuel of kings

how can a farmer get a BATTLECORN?

coming soon to a DEX near you!

i really messed up dumping my rare cards for cheap bitcorn

you can probably buy em back for a slight premium ?

what's the current dankness rating of ELOTE?

I wonder ... must be amazing tho huh

somebody ready to battle eh?

I’m ready to take on anyone with my army of undead corn walkers

time for farm feuds!

Corn Tang vs MICA

Loser moves all crops to winner’s coop?

true dat - strongest farm in the land

Aztek got nothing on genesis

Winner get's Genesis to join their Coop

pretty exclusive coop

There is NO WAY corn tang will step up to the plate

V nice!

them's fightin words! 😂

everything's fightin words actually

Do tell for us humble subscriptionless farmers!

Like what kind of battle?

I wrote it before seeing we’re about to battle

Awwww

Ok what kind of battle? Like a poetry slam?

A finger paint off?

A cook off?

A dance off?

poetry farmers in a clash of verse

yeah a corn hoe-down

A bible readin competition?

http://bitcornbattle.com

https://t.me/joinchat/Hv0rwhGDYzbe-VUk_0FX9w - the telegram chat

They won that

Let me get rigger back in here, he’s on our team

Jk

like that - defcorn rap

U calling the clan a bunch of hoes

?

Lol being the only female, I take great offense to this

What is it?

I just trolling

Each line has to say corn

For the record, CROPS DON'T LIE has .2 CROPS and no clan

Like 22 2’s

Swing farm

Well what can we do to bring em to the clan?

Ohhhhhh I haven’t tried

Just waiting for the right offer

But... it worked like that when I made my mafia farm

Uploaded it all with one signature

How bout 10 bucks via PayPal?

I'M NOT A WHORE

Or I can loan u the field of dreams billboard for a week

How bout a vanity plate for yer truck that says “corn tang clan”

Either real or ill make u one for your in game truck

Ctc has steel hands

Soooo truck

Soooo sashaaa

U gonna join us?

I offer u the privilege of being Dante’s nurse for a day

I've got to sleep on any offers

no card, no battle