- 01 November 2019 (48 messages)
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Anything possible to lower tx fees is my vote. -
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Yea let’s go big. How much money we need?
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counterwallets took the night off for halloween I think -
Grrr... I’ll take a look at it when I get done trick or treating with my son.... prolly an hour or two -
Looks to be a sanity error in counterparty.... will need to wait until I hear back from John before we can get the CP servers back up.
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halloween insanity 👻
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damn yeah i can't get in -
i wanted to give away a card
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/results
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Wallet is desperately needed, counterwallet is a mess
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Freewallet is good, but the access token is a real bummer for accessibility
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Nothing -
Something else -
I’d like to see easily tradable btc pairs.
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/results@PollBot -
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Since BTC can't be escrowed on the DEX, I dont see that happening... A wallet which supports BTCpay is about the best thing you can hope for, and freewallet already supports that.
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Is there any paper wallet creators for counterparty assets -
Like wallet generator .com
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Because if counterparty wallet goes down , can't access assets
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For counterparty assets
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??
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Counterparty wallets ARE bitcoin wallets, bro
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O okay
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Can some one make a plug in to a browser like brave or matamask
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freeport.io -
What I struggle with is that it seems like some xcp/btc pairs are posted on freewallet(btc pay right?)and some pairs are posted without so it ends up being really hard to match. Is it possible to have btc pay on the default wallet, counterwallet? That way most all orders will match
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This has been discussed here before.... BTCpay was disabled in counterwallet by the FOUNDERS of Counterparty due to having to keep the wallet window open, as this is very insecure. Nothing about that has changed. Freewallet supports BTCpay transactions in a secure way because the wallet can still be opened AND locked at the same time. You also could feel free to write your own implementation of a wallet which solves this problem. 🙂
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Or tweak counterwallet to allow locking of the funds, while keeping the window open.
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I believe that Joe also wrote up a wallet which used BTCpays for a while... was hosted at btcpaymarket.com... so he might be open to using BTCpays in his freeport wallet.
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GitHub - loon3/btcpaymarket: Buy and Sell Counterparty (XCP) Assets with Bitcoin
Buy and Sell Counterparty (XCP) Assets with Bitcoin - GitHub - loon3/btcpaymarket: Buy and Sell Counterparty (XCP) Assets with Bitcoin
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Is there a way in freewallet to know which orders are btcpay and which ones are not?
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If your buying something using BTC, then your order require a BTCpay transaction.
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If your selling something for BTC, you DO NOT require a btcpay transaction as you are receiving the BTC.
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You can see your orders by viewing the market in question (like XCP/BTC), your order will be listed in the "My Orders" section, and you can click the X to cancel the order if you want.
- 02 November 2019 (48 messages)
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What would your something else be?
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I think he’s asking if there is a way to know which ones are originating from freewallet with BTC pay enabled.
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I really like the quick link pw access that counterwallet enables. I think that can be used in some cool ways not discovered yet.
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There is no way to know if the user is using freewallet and the BTC payment will be automatic.
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So cp and frewalet server is in maintenance mode
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❓
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having relentlessly annoying jdog about this for like a year 2-3 years ago i just wanna say that you for answering the same questions over and over
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Yes, CP is down right now and John is working on a fix.
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Yeah, that’s what I was asking. I just need to play with dispensers a bit. Do dispensers allow a market maker so we can help the folks that come in and ask about where to get xcp?
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Is it up grade's or a virus
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J dog has the patients of a saint
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yeah i'm annoying him about stuff I'm gonna annoying him about later and he's still nice to me lol
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LOL, as if, many of my comments here are snarky.... just depends on muh mood... trying to work on patience 😛
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but i'm hoping to duplicate some instances of XCP backbone stuff soon, i'll say that
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What is vm ?
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What should the next development for Counterparty be?
👥 24 people voted so far.
VM – 10
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 42%
New wallet – 10
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 42%
Something else – 4
👍👍👍 17%
Nothing – 0
▫️ 0%
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I wish for xmas a chrome browser or extension that can connect to every type of wallet
A user may use ,or just connect strait to the Dex or marketplaces -
Xcp plugins
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Send BTC, get XCP from dispenser owner. Dispensers priced at different levels. Dispensers are market makers.
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Making a market implies playing both sides.
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/results@PollBot
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/2@PollBot
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If you want BTC, you sell XCP from dispensers. If you want XCP, you buy via dispensers. That’s both sides.
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dispensers are unidirectional
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you cannot accept a token for BTC
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^
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market making cannot be done in the system
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Market making is just making a market. The buys with btc sets the buy pressure and the overhead dispensers set the sell level.
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sure but your missing the actual mechanics to work in the space
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it doesn't matter what theory is, if you can't place limit buy and sell orders you cannot market make
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You can buy from cheaper dispensers and resell at higher prices, how is that any different.
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that poaching not market making
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a market maker should be able to work the "spread" if there is only a ask side and no bid side (aka dispensers) it does not work as strategy
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hence why dispensers are not DEx order, becuase they are not really an 'exchange order' at all
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Thanks for explaining, I was busy :)
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- 03 November 2019 (7 messages)
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MPMA is up too, right?
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Or is that still in the works
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it's there.... p2sh encoding though, didn't make the cut
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there's something up with it that it isn't getting picked up by btc the wait it is atm
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@heunland ^^
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Counterwallet is back up.
- 04 November 2019 (18 messages)
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Do you even farm, bro?
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- 05 November 2019 (327 messages)
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VM -
I don't have a link but personally think it would be cool to expereiment with scripting
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CP is awesome, I think having a scripting language in addition to supporting the native assets would be cool
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There was discussion around porting the EVM, not sure why it lost steam
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Proof-of-concept VM Development
So i’ve recently started to develop a minimal pure python Virtual Machine tailored specifically for counterparty. I’m starting this thread to keep note of development and design decisions, and also to get input from the community regarding what should the VM do. FAQ Why not use EVM? EVM was designed with ethereum blocktimes and specifics in mind. CP has already a lot of groundwork regarding tokens, bets and a lot of useful functions that don’t need to be recoded in a smart contract. Isn’t...
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because the EVM is crap and supporting a turing complete language would be ruinous. John's idea of a VM is limited, sensible and safe. my opinion only, obviously.
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because it would only support a limited instruction set
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do I really need to be able to write smart contracts that loop endlessly until they run out of gas? yeah maybe, but there are already blockchains for that
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He is for a limited VM like the one john has described.... he is not for putting an EVM where you can loop endlessly on CP.
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If you read the conversation here @chiguireitor explains why he plans it the way he does
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Yes, I misunderstood, probably most people do. It doesn't mean the wild west and letting people run their Solidity contracts. RSK supports that on Bitcoin already as far as I know.
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Adding a general purpose VM inside Counterparty will allow people to do things in the VM which would traditionally have to be done outside the VM... bad example, but for instance, lets say I wanted to run a proof-of-weak-hands style "honest" pyramid scheme... currently this could be done using Counterparty, but some of the logic such as adjusting the buy/sell prices and tracking the earnings for holders would need to be done by the 3rd party system (ie, a server somewhere running some logic code and deciding what actions to take), and Counterparty would only be used for transferring tokens to buyers/sellers..... However, if Counterparty had a VM, the entire thing could run 100% inside of the VM.... All the logic could be coded up into a smart contract which would run 100% from the blockchain without the need for any external 3rd party services.
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As to the "why"?.... it is simply a toolbox for people to experiment with and see what they can make.... same basic idea as Etherum, write a VM that can do a bunch of stuff, release it to the world, see what people build with it.... same general idea, a VM just provides another set of tools to use and experiment with.
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And no, it is not an easy no-brainer update... it is complex and will require someone with great dev skills to get it integrated into Counterparty.
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so you want to be the first one on board a hypetrain that builds off of the hard work of the existing developers and takes away any existing stake they have in the system?
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It sure seems like you want to get rid of everyone's existing stake and start from scratch, where you're first in the door
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"ah, but we'll redistribute the new stake in a favorable way" is not a valid rebuttal to that btw
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Getting rid of the existing system is not a way forward in my mind.
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Advertisement etc? That could be discussed.
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another crypto-wide bullmarket?
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RPP is a pilot project
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it will hopefully show what can be done
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3 letter assets?
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Checking out the CP group for the first time in a long time
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KOJI! Long time no see brother... How goes? 🙂
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well, I've talked with John about this a bit but we have to take into consideration the budget and dev availability obviously. VM would be nice to have (as it's been the case for CP for a long time) but I don't think it's a cure for CP's lack of dev power or will particularly bring in more (new) users
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Hey J-Dog, likewise, not much for me. Taking it kind of slow nowadays after a few crazy years but working with some data aggregation with John in my spare time etc
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Yeah, John has mentioned he has been working with you 🙂 You dabble in any LN code yet?
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I've got most the nonesense/unproductive blokchain BS out of my life and social media and have much more free time and focus back to Bitcoin now😂
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Yeah I've been interested in and getting involved in the LN community as well but I'm no coder 😅(actually kind of working on it nowadays as I have more time to learn new things now fortunately)
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very true. I've been enjoying it so far and strangely more productive with less time of work😏
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feels like I'm getting my creative thinking back as well
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Yeah I agree with you. Without strong presence in the ecosystem, adding(having someone to work on) VM might turn into a wasted effort, I am afraid
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not sure if this is a popular idea in the CP community but I'd rather see CP uniting effort with other projects/protocols like RSK or Liquid
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the point and ethos of CP for me is strong and ethical userbase and fair distribution through proof-of-burn
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Yep, marketing and developer engagement has been CPs weak point for a while.... no amount of dev work on the platform is going to fix that problem.... need someone (hopefully CP Foundation) to focus on marketing and outreach more.... exchanges would be nice to have, but IMO exchange listings will come when we have more people aware of CP and using it on a daily basis.... the VM would be a nice tool to have in CP, but yeah, not going to solve the main issue of exposure.
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a lack of developers have been a consistent issue throughout the years and it won't be fixed magically. It requires not only solid tech but also some marketing and community expansion effort and it's very hard to nail both with limited budget in the crypto space imo
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(I am more of a marketing/business side person btw)
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I don't think CP can/should commit to a single new protocol but rather finding a solution to port(or burn) CP assets to reissue tokens on other token platforms or something similar might make sense although I am not 100% sure if it's technically feasible or ideal
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right, so uniting or working with other token protocols will def address the issue to exposure and dev outreach at least to some degree
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lol true
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It's hilarious Pepecash and XCP is still tradable while the regulator refused to add EOS or other new coins that are *seemingly more legit
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but Zaif is sort of gone(although still in operation) and there is virtually no volume for CP assets now unfortunately
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nah it's not going to work
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I'm pretty sure of it
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chainrift has XCP and PEPECASH now and you only need an email but there is pretty much zero volume as well
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you know I think if we somehow get migration of assets into other platforms, interest for Rarepepe assets and maybe CP in general might rekindle. the chance is still slim tbh, but it feels to me that's one of very few options we have at the moment
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it's def nice to have more exchanges that list CP assets for sure👍
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I still hold some XCP, a bunch of assets etc as well😂
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not really hoping any financial gain off of this but I'd be very happy if Counterparty makes a small comeback
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Yeah it's understandable and it's impossible to make everyone happy
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but to answer the question, I personally think exploring partial or optional migration will be more effective than trying to add VM support
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adding it is one thing but maintaining will be a huge pain as well. and who's going to continue to work on it indefinitely is a huge problem
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I fail to see how a 'migration' or 'reissue' would have any benifit personally. The resiliancy of Counterparty/XCP, even in a 'dev desert' is that in the end of the day, it's all on the Bitcoin blockchain. Perhaps i'm missing something but how would moving it to shitcoin blockchain. In fact I personally wouldn't use Counterparty if you told me 'hey next month we're gonna do the same thing but on EOS'
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then what needs to be 'migrated'? That's not gonna bring us more devs?
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or funding
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i've been saying for years that even a simple website redesign and re-announcing Counterparty could help get us some more eyes... the website we have now is dated, if we had a revamped website with examples of what you can do with CP, and more focused on marketing than on dev resources, then we could get more attention without having to do much more than update a website.... of course, it would be on the CP foundation/community to determine what the messaging of the new site should be, and get ppl on the same page as far as design goes.... unfortunately like herding cats.
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I mean this is understandable to me as well (re:issuing tokens on shitcoin/shitty chains), but I think sticking with the Bitcoin ethos and integrity is more important than staying Bitcoin on-chain assets. LN is spearheading second layer tech and tokens will move to a upper layer or sidechains most likely. CP should adopt this and hopefully stay in the Bitcoin ecosystem
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more specifically reissuing tokens on RSK or Liquid(or token protocol on LN) for example wouldn't really violate the CP community's value imo. But I understand this is debatable or maybe even not acceptable for some
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if XCP, and IMO more importantly DEx functions, could get on LN that would be amazinggg
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however I can't imagine reissuing would be fun, and also i'd imagine probably illegal (at least in the US) at this poing
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*Point
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I understand what you are saying but I don't think simple redesigning of the website or other rather minor optimizations will go a long way personally.
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we should do that but it won't fix fundamental bottlenecks
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I mean this just sounds like, not counterparty, perpetual dev funds? whose holding those funding with fiduciary control of the keys? Cas if their in the US they better have 100's of thousands of dollars for legal fees
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migration/reissuing should be a optional feature if implemented. If people want to stick with good old tokens, they should be able to
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eh getting users from the 'hype train' is not really a long term strategy and attracts bad actors IMO
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I can get down with this
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those all launched before the current regulatory landscape and precidents of legal action brought against crypto token issuers
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Yeah I like the analogy and I tend to agree
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as I said even if we are to add a migration feature, it should be optional. But if we successfully pull it of, CP and its userbase will get more exposure in different communities and either assets thrive on different chains or bring back more attention to the original CP community
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but anyways, it's just my opinion and it's not me who's (capable of) developing it, so my talk is kind of cheap
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Your valued member of this community who ha contributed over years... of course your opinion matters 🙂
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but anyways I would vote against adding VM at this point and dev budget can be spent more efficiently elsewhere
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building/improving a wallet is another improvement but won't be good enough to resolve the fundamental issues in the community
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I'd rather want to offload wallet development burden etc by migrating other more actively developed projects
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migrating to Bitcoin sidechains had always been a part of the plan or at least a consideration in the CP community, so it seems like a reasonable approach we can consider
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btw, is Bitcorn still around? it was hilarious😂
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bitcorns is still trucking
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it's way better than cryptokitties 😏
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the only reason i'd 'migrate' any of my tokens would be for something like LN DEx matching, that's my personal opinion
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in terms of making tokens I still see no problems with counterparty itself
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man all those "new" token projects after Rarepepe etc seem so uncreative
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we need to do tokens right again😂
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I have a feeling when the dust settles much of the 'token revolution' participants will be long abandoned and XCP will remain like the rock it is
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that's what I take solace in
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wait till the VC runs out for all the crypto art 'market places' with cuter more intuative GUIs
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this is a great idea tweet dispenser tutorial at Fred
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GitHub - loon3/Freeport-extension: Collect, create and trade cryptogood assets.
Collect, create and trade cryptogood assets. Contribute to loon3/Freeport-extension development by creating an account on GitHub.
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oh nice. didn't know a new chrome extension wallet existed
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This is joes 2nd chrome extension wallet... the first one was XCP wallet which was also awesome 🙂
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GitHub - loon3/XCP-Wallet: Counterparty Chrome Wallet reboot
Counterparty Chrome Wallet reboot. Contribute to loon3/XCP-Wallet development by creating an account on GitHub.
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yeah of course I remember the original chrome extension wallet
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it was great
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CP was well ahead of time in terms of tokens
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chome extension wallet, collectibles, dex etc
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Ethereum and other projects basically copied all those and claimed they invented them
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well. cannot really blame them, it's just how things are in general. the first one doesn't always win
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which coin are you talking about?
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oh really, interesting. I didn't know that
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still have actual users??
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I kind of doubt that
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but anyways, Ethereum is going to go through some nasty migration to Ethereum2.0 chain themselves and lots of projects are starting to leave Ethereum for a lack of scaling progress and general instability
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this can be a good opportunity for CP to make a splash if possible
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at least from a marketing and adoption standpoint, it sounds like a great opportunity for me
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also, RSK/Liquid are still in search for active users and/or real applications/games/ collecibles. This can also be an opportunity for CP and push the momentum. (just thinking out aloud)
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well they had Tether but Tether is also going multi-platform direction and more activities are happening on ETH now
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yup sadly, that's the reality
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supply-wise, yes, but the number of txs etc are quickly shifting to Ethereum
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and it was breaking Ethereum lol
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I mean if it's possible, I'd love this
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tokens need to go to second layer as well
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yup the real usage of tokens on blockchain haven't even started yet
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lots of token platforms are going permissioned direction though. CP shouldn't fall for this trap imo
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Hey all -
Nonstop my fednode gets errors like this
counterpartylib.lib.check.SanityError: 32768 HAYMAKER issued ≠ 32775 HAYMAKER held
and it crashes. I can start it back up and it brings it back online just fine but has to catch up. Is there any fix to this? A constantly crashing node is not a stable release lol -
an entire resync is required?
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Thatll take longer than a week
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Interesting will look into it, thanks!
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How big is the bootstrap? And whats typical processing time look?
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Downtime is quite a no go for my current situation
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fednode update
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latest mainnet bootstrap is like 1.3 gigs... should go fast....
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no it won't touch your wallets since all your config data is in federatednode/config/
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Downtime will be minimal since we udpated the bootstrap image.... otherwise your talking a day or so of parsing
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the following should do the trick
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cd federatednode/
fednode stop
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that should stop the fednode, pull down the updates to counterparty-lib, remove the current counterparty database, and rebuild the CP containers to include the hotfix.... after that you just start CP up and let it parse some blocks to catch up
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when you start up counterparty, if no database is detected, it will automatically download the bootstrap 🙂
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Ok ty, running now, hopefully is quick. Node is on gigabit internet so shouldnt take long to download bootstrap at all, processing db will take the longest
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Will it automatically destroy old db?
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data/counterparty/ is empty
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is why I ask
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are you root?
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even though the node is running
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No
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sudo su
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then you should have permissions to view the directory and remove the files
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or just run sudo rm -rf data/counterparty/counterparty.*
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nada there lol
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wierd... you should have symlinks setup to the docker volume... thought fednode did that automatically
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You might want to create the symlinks manually
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sudo su
cd federatednode/data/
ln -s /var/lib/docker/volumes/federatednode_armory-data/_data armory
ln -s /var/lib/docker/volumes/federatednode_bitcoin-data/_data bitcoin
ln -s /var/lib/docker/volumes/federatednode_counterblock-data/_data counterblock
ln -s /var/lib/docker/volumes/federatednode_counterparty-data/_data counterparty
ln -s /var/lib/docker/volumes/federatednode_indexd-data/_data indexd
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tada, that worked, thanks
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np
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Got it rolling, at block 602220 rn so a few hours and will be caught up, thanks guys
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Certainly, I am cto at boaexchange.com 🙂
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We’ve been having our hot wallet for counterparty crash a lot, didnt know there were updates released
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Where can I find that?
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Beauty, thanks for the help & guidance! Ive added myself
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sooo your gonna list xcp?
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We are listing trig :) a counterparty asset
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If counterparty would like to provide market making we can certainly list it
- 06 November 2019 (7 messages)
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re: xcp on LN / xcp assets for 'in game' blockchain gaming coversation https://twitter.com/firezoogames/status/1192031712404033536Firezoo
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Awesome. Who’s in charge of this co?
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no idea i saw the tweet cas twitter showed me MandelDuck liked it
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and he has something pinned about LN gaming aswell
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would be cool if a wallet could hack together whatever they are making and XCP access tokens
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so the XCP/Token doesn't need to be on LN but the wallet/software doing whatever it's doing for "LN-gaming" would at least be able to 'read in' the balance of a token
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Hazama is doing some of this sort for games to hook into api?
- 07 November 2019 (16 messages)
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After doing a deeper analisys on the CP situation, my belief if that the first priority is to develop a stronger network of nodes to prevent continuos crashing of services.
No point in developing a VM or a nicer wallet if the whole thing crashes all that time. And it's been so hard for us to setup a full node that at this point we are abandoning the effort all together.
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needless to say i'm very gratefull with @chiguireitor and @jdogresorg, the foundation and everyone contributing here. And I'm always up for collaboration.
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generally it is pretty stable.... under high mempool load things start slowing down.... also the stunnel process dies occasionally when CP dies, so I need to manually restart the SSL tunnel otherwise even if CP is up, https communication won't work
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GitHub - jdogresorg/counterparty2mysql: PHP script that populates a MySQL database with Counterparty data
PHP script that populates a MySQL database with Counterparty data - jdogresorg/counterparty2mysql
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John and I have been working the past few weeks since the release of the new version of CP on misc stability issues... we had a sanity error which was fixed. Unfortunately since switching to bitcoin core 0.18.1, blocks seem to parse signifigantly slower when mempool is full
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If anyone wants to run a public CP node, that could help, as currently the only public CP node is public.coindaddy.io (on the same box as xchain.io)
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- 08 November 2019 (4 messages)
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My bad
It was actually done by my pocket.... - 11 November 2019 (5 messages)
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check counterwallet.io... seems to be up to me
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I get text alerts within 5 minues of if a services goes down
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so post it on the DEX or go sell it on chainrift.... or setup a dispenser to sell XCP at that price... no one is going to buy from you in here OTC.
- 12 November 2019 (2 messages)
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- 13 November 2019 (18 messages)
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cam across this old spreadsheet graphic i created of the top 100 accounts before the delisting took effect.
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So, i updated the records
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looks likie great news in light of private key day, or whatever the holiday is called.
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Whois the white? Do you know the top holders? Whose wallets they are?
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the white is everyone else
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top holders are on xchain.io/asset/xcp
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chart illustrates top 100 holders in color
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I'm part of the 0.1%
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I want to get my own dispensers out there soon, but it seems there is still confusion on how/why to make/use one. Therefore I will work on this guide some more tomorrow
https://etherpad.net/p/dispenser
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the top 100 accounts have 3,128.88385811 XCP or more
there are 12,140 users with 0.00000010 XCP or more.
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top 0.1% would mean you have more than 2,574.69262938 XCP
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either way, contrats!
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And the red or yellow one is Polo which in that case, those assets should be decommissioned and no longer available.
The lack of liquidity and diversified holdings will send xcp soaring with any buy side demand.
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