Page 1 - Sep 2018 - Official Counterparty Chat

@heunland #29629 01:34 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Foldingcoin Public Meeting will start in half an hour - please watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ci3SeJlSVM

FoldingCoin Public Meeting September 2018

Come join the FoldingCoin and Curecoin communities to discuss the recent news and updates relating to the project. The Meeting Recap Notes can be found at th...

@jdogresorg #29630 01:34 PM, 01 Sep 2018

sticker (6).webp

@mafiawars_game #29632 06:24 PM, 01 Sep 2018

https://twitter.com/mafiawars_io/status/1035952419111284736

Mafia Wars

The 3rd MAFIACASH Distribution has been completed! https://t.co/9M4OPqJRHO Check out the Mafia Wars game at https://t.co/avriFAKxRj to start earning MAFIACASH today! #MafiaWars #MafiaCash #Bitcoin #BTC #Counterparty #XCP #BlockchainGaming

@603507099 #29633 09:14 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Hey can someone explain why it cost 750 FLDC to withdraw fldc from polo? I understand that counterparty transactions need to pay a btc fee but if fees are this high then how will it be feasible to transact or trade with counterparty assets?

@pepe_van_winkle ↶ Reply to #29633 #29634 09:27 PM, 01 Sep 2018

That's about a $2.25 fee to withdraw from the exchange. You can trade rare pepes for about $.04 right now. Neither seem unreasonable.

@heunland #29635 09:30 PM, 01 Sep 2018

I suggest you ask Polo support if you do not think their fees are reasonable. Also other exchanges charge similar fees for withdrawing other counterparty assets. Please note that you could post a sell order on openbazaar now at zero fee, pay nothing for the trade and nothing for withdrawal (other than the regular TX fees for any token movements you make).

@heunland #29636 09:33 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Keep in mind that centralized exchanges will charge fees that are high enough to cover themselves in case of sudden price fluctuations, and as a convenience to users, they don't force you to actually deposit btc to pay the fee for sending the TX, but let you pay in whatever token you want to withdraw. They need to then sell those tokens for BTC to cover the miner fees which also may end up losing them some money when the exchange rates change abruptly.

@603507099 #29637 09:35 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Ok thanks. Yes I’ve asked polo - no response.

I think it’s not reasonable as percentage of value moved. It’s more the issue counterparty assets will face if the asset value is priced significantly lower than btc. Is there a solution for this going forward?

@heunland #29638 09:36 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Usually people just don't withdraw small amounts of tokens but wait till they have enough to make it worthwhile

@heunland #29639 09:37 PM, 01 Sep 2018

As the fee is independent of the amount of tokens you withdraw

@heunland #29640 09:38 PM, 01 Sep 2018

solution would be not to use centralized exchanges.

@pepe_van_winkle #29641 09:38 PM, 01 Sep 2018

It's pretty expensive to withdraw PEPECASH and XCP from TUX, so I do it as seldom as possible.

@heunland #29642 09:38 PM, 01 Sep 2018

exactly my point

@603507099 #29643 09:39 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Ah ok cool

@603507099 #29644 09:40 PM, 01 Sep 2018

The fee however is an issue since it’s independent of the tokens moved for the reason stated above

@603507099 #29645 09:41 PM, 01 Sep 2018

That implies that even if a dex is used the btcp fee could end up being a large portion of the tokens moved

@heunland #29646 09:42 PM, 01 Sep 2018

if you trade on the DEX you can set your own fee.

@heunland #29647 09:42 PM, 01 Sep 2018

you can post your TX with 1 sat/byte fee, and send it when there are not a lot of other TXs in the mempool for fast confirmation

@603507099 #29648 09:43 PM, 01 Sep 2018

How does that work? Doesn’t the network have to pay btc to miners?

@heunland #29649 09:43 PM, 01 Sep 2018

yes and you are the one who decides how much BTC to send

@603507099 #29650 09:45 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Right but is that feasible? Imagine trading counterparty assets on a liquid dex. Let’s say the assets represent gold or another asset. Can one wait to trade if prices are fluid?

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29650 #29651 09:46 PM, 01 Sep 2018

The prices are set in stone for the duration the orders up, so as long as your order matches.

@heunland #29652 09:46 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Works for those of us who have bought and sold assets on the DEX till now.

@603507099 #29653 09:48 PM, 01 Sep 2018

I guess if it isn’t a liquid market sure

@603507099 #29654 09:48 PM, 01 Sep 2018

But liquidity is what one wants to create

@603507099 #29655 09:49 PM, 01 Sep 2018

There must be a way to lock in prices and trade but settlement to occur when fees are low

@heunland #29656 09:49 PM, 01 Sep 2018

I suggest you have a look at rarepepewallet.com and see how easy it can be to make trades of Rare Pepes on the DEX with a user friendly UI.

@603507099 #29657 09:49 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Ok I’ll check it out

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29655 #29658 09:50 PM, 01 Sep 2018

If you're filling an order settlement is then and there, you judge yourself the fees.

@heunland #29659 09:50 PM, 01 Sep 2018

or check out freewallet.io (ok you would need to make a donation to get access to the DEX functionality) for trading the other counterparty assets

@603507099 #29660 09:52 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Why can’t one trade rate Pepe’s with btc?

@603507099 #29661 09:53 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Is it possible but not done or not possible

@heunland #29662 09:55 PM, 01 Sep 2018

you could use a swapbot to do that

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29662 #29663 09:55 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Are you guys using tokenmarkets for FLDC in some capacity?

@heunland #29664 09:56 PM, 01 Sep 2018

yes

@heunland #29665 09:57 PM, 01 Sep 2018

I suggest you watch our Public Meeting, Adam Levine discussed in detail about the features that Tokenly has implemented for us, and also we have Foldingcoin swag for sale on the tokenmarket

@heunland #29666 09:58 PM, 01 Sep 2018

we now also have a new and improved version of merged folding and asset distribution features

@heunland #29667 10:00 PM, 01 Sep 2018

actually we are implementing a way to distribute tokens to users that allows the users to pay in the token being withdrawn for the miners fees, and withdraw when they want rather than waiting for monthly distributions. this was all discussed at todays meeting which you can watch here https://foldingcoin.net/index.php/news/335-news-public-meeting-september-2018

News - Public meeting september 2018

FoldingCoin is a rewards program that distributes reward tokens (similar to a retail store point program) to participants of the global Folding@home network.

@heunland #29669 10:01 PM, 01 Sep 2018

you can watch the recap at the link below

@heunland #29670 10:02 PM, 01 Sep 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ci3SeJlSVM

FoldingCoin Public Meeting September 2018

Come join the FoldingCoin and Curecoin communities to discuss the recent news and updates relating to the project. The Meeting Recap Notes can be found at th...

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29666 #29671 10:03 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Very interesting, tokenmarkets looked intriguing and I certainly like the sound of those changes. You've been doing solid work in the background for some time, and all for a good cause to boot. Gonna give it a watch through in a minute.

@heunland #29672 10:03 PM, 01 Sep 2018

This is actually some stuff that solves a problem that afaik noone on ethereum has been able to solve so far

@heunland #29673 10:07 PM, 01 Sep 2018

as in, when you want to distribute a token to many users, there are now problems with blockchain saturation on ethereum (similar to what we had a year ago on bitcoin) and distributions get stuck, you have to send with exaggerated fees and TXs get dropped completely at times. Ethereum fees need to be paid for gas no matter what ERC20 token you are distributing. With this new method we are about to implement, we can now allow the users to withdraw themselves when they have accumulated enough coins to make it worthwhile, and pay the fee in foldingcoin rather than BTC. This also ends the problem of people all turning around and immediately dumping their coins on exchanges right after the monthly distribution, hurting the price

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29673 #29674 10:08 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Last I checked ETH they were trying (and struggling) to cleanly implement a 'pay in any token'

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29673 #29675 10:09 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Even aside from anything more than a cursory technical understanding of that development (yet) the convenience/slipstreaming of that from and end user experience POV sounds awesome.

That's the kind if innovation that needs to be communicated to those devs &, architects building up token ecosystems. Hope it gets a thorough mentiom in the upcoming newsletter

@heunland #29676 10:09 PM, 01 Sep 2018

but have they done so already on Eth? - No

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29676 #29677 10:10 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Nope I don't believe they have. +1 to counterparty and +1 to you guys. 👍😌

@heunland #29678 10:11 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Tokenly did an excellent job working with us to bring this to fruition

@heunland #29679 10:12 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Also the merged folding features are available right now already for any counterparty project to try out, including distributing indivisible assets to a set number of random folders, or to the top folders only etc.

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29678 #29680 10:13 PM, 01 Sep 2018

I do hope this innovation gets condensed down into A) Eli5 version for users (who'll notice regardless) and for developers. Or in general gets broadcast. Definitely warrants more than a casual mention

@heunland #29681 10:14 PM, 01 Sep 2018

divisible assets can be also easily distributed to all folders, or to those that have folded above a certain threshold of FAH points. We will be happy to explain in more detail to any interested parties

@heunland #29682 10:15 PM, 01 Sep 2018

We are working on making tutorials for all these new features

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29681 #29683 10:17 PM, 01 Sep 2018

The parties just need to hear about it that's all, the interested will follow. Discoverability hasn't traditionally been crazy high (need dat PR campaign $$s) but it's not gone unnoticed. I'm confident it'll all pile up gradually . Keep up the good work 👍😀

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29682 #29684 10:18 PM, 01 Sep 2018

I shall keep an eye out.

@heunland #29685 10:30 PM, 01 Sep 2018

Here is the new dedicated website https://mergedfolding.net/ Of course, we are going to contact the reps of the projects that have previously expressed interest in our merged folding platform shortly with more details. If anyone who has not previously contacted us is interested, you can send us email to rross@foldingcoin.net

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29685 #29690 06:47 PM, 02 Sep 2018

Looking good. I've forwarded to someone that might well be interested in that new 'pay in what's being withdrawn' aspect especially.

@529335952 #29691 06:47 PM, 02 Sep 2018

We are announcing our first cause, brought to us by community member M.G. Report, to get XCP listed on a new exchange! Check it: https://bitcorn.org/causes/5

@ShawnLeary ↶ Reply to #29691 #29692 07:20 PM, 02 Sep 2018

giphy (2).mp4

@104473096 #29694 09:00 PM, 02 Sep 2018

New CIP proposal: https://counterpartytalk.org/t/cip-proposal-18-configuration-flag-to-remove-api-query-limit-defaults/5017

CIP Proposal 18 - Configuration flag to remove API query limit defaults

This is the discussion thread for the proposed CIP 18 to remove API query limits by configuration flags. Link to the CIP: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/blob/cip18/cip-0018.md Please, discuss.

@104473096 #29695 09:00 PM, 02 Sep 2018

please weigh in

@104473096 #29697 09:08 PM, 02 Sep 2018

changes to the master codebase should all be done in cips, even more if it modifies API behaviour

@104473096 #29698 09:09 PM, 02 Sep 2018

after all, it's a Counterparty Improvement Proposal

@ShawnLeary ↶ Reply to #29696 #29701 02:50 AM, 03 Sep 2018

Why?

@104473096 #29705 06:23 AM, 03 Sep 2018

"A Standards Track CIP describes any change that affects most or all Counterparty implementations, such as a change to the network protocol, a change in block or transaction validity rules, or any change or addition that affects the interoperability of applications using Counterparty."

@104473096 #29706 06:23 AM, 03 Sep 2018

emphasis on "... that affects the interoperability of applications using Counterparty "

@104473096 #29707 06:27 AM, 03 Sep 2018

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/blob/master/cip-0001.md

cips/cip-0001.md at master · CounterpartyXCP/cips

Counterparty Improvement Proposals. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/cips development by creating an account on GitHub.

@jdogresorg ↶ Reply to #29706 #29711 02:20 PM, 03 Sep 2018

sticker (6).webp

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #29709 #29712 02:22 PM, 03 Sep 2018

it does... there's no way in the api to know if you've reached end of the dataset or if your data got limited

@104473096 #29713 02:22 PM, 03 Sep 2018

i.e. currently, if you receive 1000 results on a get_* call, you can't know if you got limited or reached end of data

@583016849 #29724 08:03 PM, 04 Sep 2018

Maybe the team could contact Gate exchange. Since BIter which is the previous name of Gate exchange had xcp before changing the name. And it says no charge for listing

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29724 #29733 04:53 AM, 05 Sep 2018

I'd been in close touch with the founder previously, he was amenable to counterparty and supported what it was doing but the technicalities of running on the nonstandard varations XCP requires were not ideal. An upcoming update to support 0.16 would be v helpful to them.

@529335952 #29734 04:55 AM, 05 Sep 2018

In other news there's this exchange that's added XCP trading

@529335952 #29735 04:55 AM, 05 Sep 2018

Hello everyone! XCP is now traded on Coinsoda Exchange with 0% trading fees, forever. Coinsoda is a brand new exchange and we have recently launched our fully functional beta exchange with over 30+ pre-listed currencies. XCP has been listed upon review & we would like to welcome the community for trading! Enjoy.

@529335952 #29736 04:57 AM, 05 Sep 2018

I would not endorse the above thus far and encourage due diligence- not sending any large balance etc; as this is a brand new exchange with slim to no feedback so far. Just sharing that post for visibility

@nola1978 ↶ Reply to #29735 #29737 04:59 AM, 05 Sep 2018

Do you also trade xcp tokens ?

@483911280 ↶ Reply to #29736 #29738 05:01 AM, 05 Sep 2018

I’ve seen cam soda ads, they seem legit.

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29737 #29739 05:05 AM, 05 Sep 2018

I trade tokens on the dex, for centralized exchanges I'm primarily concerned with with additional liquidity sources and outlets being made available for new users to be able to discover, acquire XCP and ultimately interact with the ecosystem. An ecosystem that's broader that the market has given it credit. Many would love to play with blockchain collectibles as just one example but have never even heard of counterparty, and possibly won't for some time. For some a listing on an exchange (again many users do not visit some of the historical US exchanges any longer) may be their first discovery of counterparty and an introduction to explore further.

If XCP was available on one less exchange, or zero exchanges discoverability too would be close to zero for new users. Sourcing XCP to be able to create assets or develop would become problematic. For this reason I think increasing existing visibility within the constraints we can collectively should be a small, but larger part of the focus of the community right now.

@heunland #29740 05:07 AM, 05 Sep 2018

I just made an account on coinsoda to check out what coins are listed. Looks like so far only XCP is listed as far as counterparty tokens go. There is a page on their website to request coin listings, so should be pretty easy for projects that run on XCP to ask to get listed, such as Pepecash, Foldingcoin, Bitcrystals etc

@heunland #29741 05:08 AM, 05 Sep 2018

https://coinsoda.io

@heunland #29742 05:09 AM, 05 Sep 2018

they got a chatbox too so Grounbeeftaxi should be happy

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29740 #29743 05:17 AM, 05 Sep 2018

It's nice to see the addition there, jurys out on their platform for now. I'm in the progress of testing it out with a small amount. They've said API feeds are underway in the next day or two.

@heunland #29744 05:20 AM, 05 Sep 2018

yes I can see they still could make a lot of improvements, however many counterparty based projects have had troubles to get their token listed on any exchange, and Age of Rust even is in the process of leaving counterparty altogether for that reason now. In order to be on coinmarketcap, you need to be listed on an exchange they support, otherwise you got basically no visibility. I am happy to see a new exchange venture into the counterparty space and hope others are too.

@Needmoney90 ↶ Reply to #29745 #29746 05:56 AM, 05 Sep 2018

I will be contributing a bit, talk to me privately

@Needmoney90 #29747 05:56 AM, 05 Sep 2018

a bit busy atm

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29747 #29748 06:12 AM, 05 Sep 2018

Thanks 👍 & No worries. Will ping you in a bit then.

@mafiawars_game #29750 06:46 PM, 05 Sep 2018

https://twitter.com/mafiawars_io/status/1037410743988023301

Mafia Wars

Announcing a monthly design contest with prizes for the top 3 card designs totaling over 50,000+ MAFIACASH, a 75% card stats boost, and being a featured card! Learn more at https://t.co/25gvxiO8Tz #MafiaWars #Bitcoin #Counterparty #XCP #RarePepe #Artists #BlockchainGaming

@ShawnLeary #29805 08:58 AM, 10 Sep 2018

https://twitter.com/counterpartyxcp/status/1039073086547652609

Counterparty

@brucefenton https://t.co/GSD6tHWnLR

@Needmoney90 ↶ Reply to #29807 #29810 09:13 AM, 10 Sep 2018

Waiting 2 minutes at two Am and being impatient

@Needmoney90 #29811 09:13 AM, 10 Sep 2018

High standards

@Needmoney90 #29813 09:15 AM, 10 Sep 2018

Is it a counterparty project?

@390887840 ↶ Reply to #29750 #29814 09:32 AM, 10 Sep 2018

What's 50,000 MafiaCash worth these days anyway is it gonna be on TUX?

@390887840 ↶ Reply to #29744 #29816 09:42 AM, 10 Sep 2018

Oh great so my XCP rustbits will soon be worthless 🙈

@ShawnLeary ↶ Reply to #29816 #29817 09:58 AM, 10 Sep 2018

becoming Eth token right?

@theogoodman #29818 10:04 AM, 10 Sep 2018

what was rustbits again?

@484821212 ↶ Reply to #29818 #29819 10:08 AM, 10 Sep 2018

Shitcoin

@theogoodman #29820 10:08 AM, 10 Sep 2018

😂

@ShawnLeary #29822 12:10 PM, 10 Sep 2018

it’s a video game

@ShawnLeary #29823 12:10 PM, 10 Sep 2018

Age of Rust

@ShawnLeary #29824 12:11 PM, 10 Sep 2018

https://www.ageofrust.games/

Link

Age of Rust is a blockchain, dark sci-fi action adventure game set in the vast expanse of the universe.

@PepeCashMillionaire ↶ Reply to #29817 #29825 12:33 PM, 10 Sep 2018

sticker (6).webp

@theogoodman #29826 12:34 PM, 10 Sep 2018

sticker (6).webp

@PepeCashMillionaire ↶ Reply to #29826 #29827 12:36 PM, 10 Sep 2018

sticker (6).webp

@PepeCashMillionaire ↶ Reply to #29826 #29828 12:36 PM, 10 Sep 2018

wow a new sticker pack imagine that. a good one too

@ShawnLeary #29829 12:39 PM, 10 Sep 2018

fake rare sticker kit ;)

@PepeCashMillionaire ↶ Reply to #29829 #29830 12:40 PM, 10 Sep 2018

quick, airdrop a new token, add a new dex and let's MONETIZE It BABY!

@PepeCashMillionaire #29831 12:41 PM, 10 Sep 2018

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@609298053 #29832 03:06 PM, 10 Sep 2018

Would anyone like to donate their Rustbits to someone who wouldn't mind having some? If so I would like to offer my Rustbits Collection Services. In return I can serve up plenty of praise for your altruistic donation.

@heunland #29837 09:42 AM, 11 Sep 2018

Guys rustbits will be exchanged for their new token on ethereum whenever they switch over and then you can sell them on some eth exchange that will probably list it if you want to get rid of the rustbits. The game itself does look it has potential though them switching to eth is a disappointment at least the tokens are not completely worthless imho

@heunland #29838 09:45 AM, 11 Sep 2018

Also nothing keeps you from posting rustbits for sale on the DEX right now for XCP

@manksi #29839 01:22 PM, 11 Sep 2018

Ascendency - Age of Chains Card 015 available now and limited to 1000 cards.

https://medium.com/@ageofchains/ascendency-age-of-chains-card-015-52ad66c845ec

https://tokenmarkets.com/item/ascendency-age-of-chains-card-015

The sale is organized in tiers as follows:

200 cards for 0,0018 BTC or 3 XCP each.

200 cards for 0,0037 BTC or 6 XCP each.

100 cards for 0,009 BTC or 14 XCP each.

Ascendency — Age of Chains Card 015

The center of power within the Andromeda Galaxy is the planet Sarda within the Aereus solar system. It is the home planet of an ancient…

@609298053 ↶ Reply to #29837 #29840 02:29 PM, 11 Sep 2018

100% It has massive potential. While it is a tough move for Counterparty believers Rustbits will remain an in game currency and also paired ETH for other uses. Or so I understand. As for the DEX I've placed a 1XCP order for BTC I saw yesterday so I could get some Rustbits and the BTC/XCP still has not gone through.

@609298053 #29843 02:41 PM, 11 Sep 2018

Thank you @droplister that makes sense

@609298053 #29844 02:41 PM, 11 Sep 2018

But I was trying to trade BTC for XCP same thing I suppose

@609298053 #29846 02:46 PM, 11 Sep 2018

Solid info. Will remember in the future. So as long as it is a Counterparty coin (token) it will act atomic if there are standing orders?

@PepeCashMillionaire #29847 02:57 PM, 11 Sep 2018

My name is Lisa Renee and I am the Admin for the worlds largest online Cryptocurrency Community with a network of 450,000 crypto enthusiasts. Ive taken a look at your project and would like to increase awareness and the user base of Counterparty on our platform. Let me know if you are interested and I can send you our partnership info.

@PepeCashMillionaire ↶ Reply to #29847 #29849 02:59 PM, 11 Sep 2018

Hey guys someone actually thinks counterparty is good enough to merit DM spamming its group admins about paid promotions - we're gonna make it after all boyz and gurlz! 🤦‍♂️💹 If this is legit offer should we pursue?

@PepeCashMillionaire ↶ Reply to #29848 #29850 02:59 PM, 11 Sep 2018

wassup Dan! 🐸

@PepeCashMillionaire ↶ Reply to #29851 #29852 03:00 PM, 11 Sep 2018

sticker (6).webp

@mightbemike ↶ Reply to #29838 #29853 04:09 PM, 11 Sep 2018

somebody's buying? seems pointless.

@ShawnLeary #29854 04:23 PM, 11 Sep 2018

sticker (6).webp

@raretruck #29858 07:05 PM, 11 Sep 2018

XCP is dirt cheap on bittrex, just dipped below 60k satoshis

@raretruck #29860 07:43 PM, 11 Sep 2018

Someone just bought 447 XCP @ 55k Satoshis each

@raretruck #29861 07:44 PM, 11 Sep 2018

A SOLID BID

@529335952 #29862 07:45 PM, 11 Sep 2018

I certainly think so.

@raretruck #29863 07:45 PM, 11 Sep 2018

Market orders are available at 59k Satoshis

@raretruck #29865 08:55 PM, 11 Sep 2018

I just calculated my average BTC/XCP price since last December. Shouldn't have done that

@raretruck #29866 08:55 PM, 11 Sep 2018

Gotta buy more and lower that average

@104473096 #29867 11:14 PM, 11 Sep 2018

https://counterpartytalk.org/t/cip-proposal-18-configuration-flag-to-remove-api-query-limit-defaults/5017/13?u=chiguireitor

CIP Proposal 18 - Configuration flag to remove API query limit defaults

This is the discussion thread for the proposed CIP 18 to remove API query limits by configuration flags. Link to the CIP: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/blob/cip18/cip-0018.md Please, discuss.

@Needmoney90 ↶ Reply to #29867 #29877 02:38 AM, 12 Sep 2018

Awesome

@ShawnLeary #29884 02:54 AM, 12 Sep 2018

DEx for the win

@ShawnLeary #29886 02:55 AM, 12 Sep 2018

i really want the FU asset

@ShawnLeary #29887 02:55 AM, 12 Sep 2018

When LL???

@ShawnLeary ↶ Reply to #29885 #29889 02:56 AM, 12 Sep 2018

sticker (6).webp

@ShawnLeary #29891 03:32 AM, 12 Sep 2018

definitely need some SW and enter into 2017

@646122464 #29900 12:01 PM, 12 Sep 2018

I haven’t heard about Vertex. Why this project is useful?

@bigwormcrypto ↶ Reply to #29885 #29904 12:43 PM, 12 Sep 2018

giphy (2).mp4

@raretruck ↶ Reply to #29882 #29905 01:53 PM, 12 Sep 2018

Just charge more xcp to register premium asset names.

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29883 #29907 05:25 PM, 12 Sep 2018

I agree. I see increasing concern about the rampant oversaturation of ETH tokens (1000+ created in the last years- many dubious cash grabs) scaling issues there, smart contract hacks -- coupled with BTC's increasing dominance recently (30% rise in 4 months and a 1 year ATH) Plus increased XCP exposure probable in the coming months.

all the while XCP which launched before ethereum and arguably had a huge hand in kickstarting this 'blockchain 2.0 movement' has just been chugging along in the background.. currently enjoying a smaller mkt cap than the BTC burnt to bring it into existence!! it just seems the potential here is so great if a group of people collectively can work together on bringing it back to relevance and showcasing its utility, the benefits it affords.

@ShawnLeary #29916 06:09 PM, 13 Sep 2018

@shitpost

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@jdogresorg #29919 08:11 PM, 13 Sep 2018

https://counterpartytalk.org/t/eterbase-com-listing/5035

Eterbase.com Listing

Representatives from Eterbase.com recently reached out via email and indicated that they had an interest in Counterparty and would like for me to submit Counterparty for inclusion in their upcoming digital asset exchange. After filling out the project application and having a brief phone conversation, it seems they are interested in supporting Counterparty and could offer BTC / ETH / EUR and possibly USD markets for Counterparty. They are requesting a listing fee of $10,000 to cover their devel...

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29919 #29920 08:16 PM, 13 Sep 2018

Interesting, I see they're a new entrant. Incorporated in a favorable jurisdiction and aiming for fiat integration (IBAN/euro). Could possibly become a big player.

@jdogresorg #29921 08:34 PM, 13 Sep 2018

Yeah, they laid out some of their plans and they definitely sound like they are going the 100% legal route.

@jdogresorg #29922 08:35 PM, 13 Sep 2018

They actually listed 2 options for getting CP listed... 1.) a token swap XCP for XBASE (100-200 ETH worth requested).... or 2.) a listing fee of $10,000 (they asked for ETH, but I got USD amount value)

@jdogresorg #29923 08:36 PM, 13 Sep 2018

Personally I am against paying for a listing on any exchange.... but, others in the community feel differently... so worth mentioning in case anyone like MG or the Bitcorn foundation wanted to get behind it.

@jdogresorg ↶ Reply to #29925 #29929 09:02 PM, 13 Sep 2018

Nice work

@jdogresorg ↶ Reply to #29926 #29930 09:02 PM, 13 Sep 2018

Yes... I snagged it... mainly just to hold it for the XBASE guys if they want it... no plans to use it.

@mmortal03 ↶ Reply to #29916 #29934 03:37 AM, 14 Sep 2018

lol

@jasonbs #29947 11:43 AM, 14 Sep 2018

Can anyone provide me with a Counterparty contact e-mail? I'm the editor of the Standard Catalog of Cryptocurrencies and it's regarding an article about Counterparty in the 2019 edition. Thank you in advance.

@heunland #29948 12:13 PM, 14 Sep 2018

@GoodGatsby ^^

@krostue #29949 12:22 PM, 14 Sep 2018

from yesterday,
that looks like a 1000% natural conversation. not scripted
all three accounts went offline within a two-minute window.
"public sale starts in 16 hours"
offtopic vaporware talk can GTFO.
no real redemption explanation needed.
simple ban and delete is good, imho

@ShawnLeary #29950 12:35 PM, 14 Sep 2018

banned

@jasonbs ↶ Reply to #29948 #29951 12:52 PM, 14 Sep 2018

Thank you.

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29947 #29957 02:02 AM, 15 Sep 2018

press@counterparty.io

@529335952 #29958 02:04 AM, 15 Sep 2018

Also September newsletter in case any did not notice it https://counterparty.io/news/counterparty-newsletter-09-05-2018/

September Newsletter | Counterparty

It's been a progressive month as CIP development continues with help from developers in the Counterparty community. Alongside some other interesting updates from projects in the community, check out this month's update below!

@104473096 #29959 02:19 AM, 15 Sep 2018

https://counterpartytalk.org/t/cip19-upgrade-to-bitcoin-0-16-2-and-indexd/5039

CIP19 - Upgrade to Bitcoin 0.16.2 and Indexd

Proposal to update counterparty to latest Bitcoin version + usage of addrindex. As usual, feel free to discuss.

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29959 #29960 03:34 AM, 15 Sep 2018

+1 Fully support this CIP.

@529335952 #29961 03:43 AM, 15 Sep 2018

Offtopic question.. but aside from ideological oppositions: Would it be technically feasible to to implement some kind of inflation (supply increase) into the counterparty protocol, ostensibly for the purpose for funding development? Assuming for example: A) either all future 'mined' XCP would flow into a ringfenced account and be disbursed either directly to a 'development foundation' or B) backers would donate BTC, ETH in exchange for developXCP token or similar that is proportionally awarded XCP by the protocol at a later date

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #29961 #29962 03:49 AM, 15 Sep 2018

could be possible.... it is also possible to create another avenues of income tho

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29962 #29963 04:10 AM, 15 Sep 2018

Hmm. I was just wondering because it seems the altruistic donation based model has certain shortcomings and counterParty is one of the few totally deflationary projects, I feel a small, transparent, inflation that tapers down would long-run be a net win for all.

Major cryptocurrency supply inflation: Bitcoin: 3.8% XRP: 2.5% Bitcoin cash: 3.7% Monero: 6.3% Dash: 6.3% Zcash: 56%

What are the other plausible avenues you could think of that would further incentivize continuing developmemt contributions from yourself/other devs into the future?

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #29963 #29964 04:11 AM, 15 Sep 2018

i think one idea could be JP Janssen's lottery, where say, 10% of the proceeds go to bounty address

@heunland #29965 04:12 AM, 15 Sep 2018

I don't think the problem is as much finding supporters willing to fund CIP development as developers willing and able to do the actual dev work and code reviews

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29964 #29966 04:19 AM, 15 Sep 2018

Interesting idea. The lottery like systems on eth certainly get a lot of inflow.

@krostue #29970 01:30 PM, 15 Sep 2018

at one point there was talk of bringing contracts to XCP. is that still an avenue or did rsk.co end up showing interest in retrofitting to our ecosystem?

@jdogresorg ↶ Reply to #29965 #29972 03:32 PM, 15 Sep 2018

sticker (6).webp

@353361367 #29981 10:45 PM, 15 Sep 2018

Do i have to pay taxes on rare pepe, xcp, tokens, or crypto?

@jdogresorg #29983 10:50 PM, 15 Sep 2018

giphy (2).mp4

@ShawnLeary #29993 05:45 PM, 16 Sep 2018

https://medium.com/@nextlevelcrypto/whats-sad-about-ethereum-is-they-took-a-cryptocurrency-culture-of-hacking-and-innovation-and-c1ff760c7ca4

Response to Raven

What’s sad about Ethereum is they took a cryptocurrency culture of hacking and innovation and discovery, stripped away actual useful coding and innovation, kept the buzzwords, and focused entirely on…

@ShawnLeary #30002 11:24 AM, 17 Sep 2018

excellent tutorial for anyone wanting to get started with Counterparty https://medium.com/@droplister/counterparty-dex-tutorial-b38dcab102e5

Counterparty DEX Tutorial

Learn how to trade using Counterparty technology.

@ez13x #30003 11:36 AM, 17 Sep 2018

@ShawnLeary can i create a new dex on counterparty with my own altcoins ?

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #30003 #30004 11:41 AM, 17 Sep 2018

You can create a new 'altcoin' on the dex and trade it, yeah

@ez13x #30005 11:41 AM, 17 Sep 2018

can i add eth or other coins that are not xcp assets ?

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #30003 #30006 11:42 AM, 17 Sep 2018

Unless you mean can you import litecoin, dash, dentacoin or whatnot and trade on the dex, nope. That's cross chain atomic swaps chain and nobodys cohesively solved that yet

@ez13x #30007 11:42 AM, 17 Sep 2018

ah

@ez13x #30008 11:42 AM, 17 Sep 2018

i see

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #30005 #30009 11:43 AM, 17 Sep 2018

just like eth cannot trade btc or xcp counterparty cannot trade eth or eth tokens.

@ez13x #30010 11:44 AM, 17 Sep 2018

do you have a guide about creating a new dex ?

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #30010 #30011 11:47 AM, 17 Sep 2018

The link above covers it well I think from the point of view of someone who wants to trade on the dex. Just use mainnet instead of testnet. If you want to issue your own asset, instead of buying or selling existing pairs simply log on to counterparty and issue your own. For 0.5 XCP ($2.00) it will be stored permanently on the blockchain, protected by the same securiyy as the bitcoin blockchain.

In theory you can trade tokeens redeemable for eth or anything else. But then users have to trust you will back them..which is a non starter. XCP-XCP tokens (or even XCP-BTC) does not have the same problems, they can be exchanged trustlessly with no counterparty risk

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #30010 #30013 02:04 PM, 17 Sep 2018

If you want to create a "dex" i might have the product just for you

@ez13x ↶ Reply to #30013 #30014 02:04 PM, 17 Sep 2018

Sure

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #30014 #30015 02:06 PM, 17 Sep 2018

Pm me

@ShawnLeary #30016 02:35 PM, 17 Sep 2018

John Mcafee: Decentralized Exchanges Will Trigger ‘Largest Economic Boom in History’

https://bitcoinist.com/john-mcafee-predicts-that-advent-of-decentralized-exchanges-will-trigger-the-largest-economic-expansion-in-history/

John Mcafee: Decentralized Exchanges Will Trigger ‘Largest Economic Boom in History’

John McAfee, developer of the first antivirus software, is a cryptocurrency advocate. McAfee predicts that centralized exchanges will cease

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #29964 #30031 12:13 PM, 18 Sep 2018

https://counterpartytalk.org/t/cip-draft-instant-lottery/3020 Reading through this thread in more depth now, I this is a fascinating proposal I hadn't looked at as that closely until now, especially with @chiguireitor 's idea about how such a system could simultaneously allocate some percentage of rewards to a development bounty pool. Thoughts?

CIP Draft - Instant Lottery

Before I submit the CIP I would like to hear your thoughts Updated 6/1/2017 Abstract Always have an active bet that users can play against and with settlement every few hours. This is achieved by adding an automated contract addresses… Automated oracle feed that broadcasts a random value based on the blockhash Automated bets placed on “the house” side with a slight edge Motivation Stimulate usage of the Counterparty betting system. Lotteries will always be available and not require an...

@ShawnLeary #30053 10:29 PM, 18 Sep 2018

would love to see some powh.trade like project running on Counterparty 😊

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #30053 #30054 12:25 AM, 19 Sep 2018

completely possible with a CPVM :D

@ShawnLeary #30055 12:28 AM, 19 Sep 2018

When CPVM?

@ShawnLeary #30056 12:28 AM, 19 Sep 2018

sticker (6).webp

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #30056 #30057 12:47 AM, 19 Sep 2018

cip19 indexd branch already on develop

@ShawnLeary #30058 12:53 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Will these CIPs help RPP?

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #30058 #30059 12:54 AM, 19 Sep 2018

CIP19 helps anyone developing or integrating a counterparty based project

@529335952 #30060 12:54 AM, 19 Sep 2018

And lays sturdier groundwork for the future

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #30058 #30061 12:55 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Totally

@104473096 #30062 12:55 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Cip18 will certainly make rpp Leess buggy

@ShawnLeary #30063 12:55 AM, 19 Sep 2018

I know distributing all the dank rares ppl donated is a big one

@104473096 #30064 12:56 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Some PRs that are gonna get merged during cip19 are surely needed for rpp

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #30063 #30065 12:56 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Yup

@104473096 #30066 12:56 AM, 19 Sep 2018

And getting a real simple cpvm will help with a lot of automation

@104473096 #30067 12:56 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Especially stuff like nfts

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #30066 #30068 12:58 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Much potential there indeed. Super interested in keeping abreast of developments on the VM front

@104473096 #30069 01:00 AM, 19 Sep 2018

I'm picturing a real byte code vm, which just has some event driven code and can only interact with immediate values and Counterparty ops

@104473096 #30070 01:01 AM, 19 Sep 2018

And 0 loops

@104473096 #30071 01:03 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Important 18/09/18 Update your full nodes ASAP re CVE-2018-17144

https://bitcoincore.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.16.3/

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-core-dev/2018-September/000060.html

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures#CVE-2018-17144

@104473096 #30072 01:03 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Wow... Gotta fast track that 0.16.x branch release

@104473096 #30074 01:05 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Doesn't states if it affects<v0.14 but that's probably because that's not tested anymore

@529335952 #30075 01:07 AM, 19 Sep 2018

There was a huge amount of ready-to-be unleashed creativity and experimentation atop of counterparty when serpent integration was announced. Whilst theDAO etc debacles proved at the time it wasn't ready for prime time. It did pave the way for a bit of a rush to the exit IMO as some felt bait and switched. (And of course ETh based smart contract thirst became insatiable) A counterparty specific vm makes a ton of sense somewhat neutered, lean, sensible with a whole ton of new cases opening up.

had read the initial proposal with interest, very keen on following its dev. nice work 💪

@529335952 #30076 01:09 AM, 19 Sep 2018

https://www.reddit.com/r/counterparty_xcp/comments/9guhk7/rocketchat_now_supports_counterparty_xcp_tokens/

r/counterparty_xcp - Rocket.Chat now supports CounterParty XCP tokens!

1 vote and 0 comments so far on Reddit

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #30076 #30077 01:10 AM, 19 Sep 2018

😱

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #30077 #30078 01:11 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Cool integration (and sensible use case some have been dreaming about for years) that went under the radar

@104473096 #30079 01:13 AM, 19 Sep 2018

I use rocket chat

@104473096 #30080 01:13 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Have it as customer support app

@104473096 #30081 01:13 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Works wonders

@ShawnLeary #30082 02:19 AM, 19 Sep 2018

photo_2018-09-19_02-19-16.jpg

@483911280 ↶ Reply to #30082 #30083 03:17 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Get in on the ground floor of the 600 Bitcorn pyramid @ShawnLeary

@ShawnLeary ↶ Reply to #30083 #30084 03:29 AM, 19 Sep 2018

L1Nk????

@483911280 #30085 03:40 AM, 19 Sep 2018

@ShawnLeary

@483911280 #30086 03:40 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Here is how it works...

Below is a list of Counterparty addresses (you'll see it as you read further). Each of these people has already taken part in this system. When someone new comes along (such as yourself) he/she removes #1 off of the list, moves the other five email addresses up one position (i.e. #6 goes to #5, #5 to #4, etc.), and places their Counterparty address in the #6 position. This process is what develops the power of compounding.

INSTRUCTIONS:

STEP 1:

Save this message.

Step 2:

Send 100 Bitcorns to each of the 6 addresses on the current list from your Counterparty address.

Here is the current Counterparty address list:

*************************

1.
2. 16FafZ8xqZv8eAoffX9D5pfmS47YqFwYez
3. 1KacrYMuQW5eqLbrYUotQ1mdsVpxin6hC9
4. 1DMCrvh4NbkToZi9xmssQoEaFcNk33CC51
5. 1DLyyj4LonwkngVKFuj2yXMHhPAYsNyJH8
6. 14MsDSuPb6aMj9S1PNGAuYMudxft2HJaHV

STEP 3:

Take the #1 address off of the list that you see above, move the other addresses up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc.) and add YOUR address (the one used for your Bitcorn send) as number 6 on the list.

STEP 4:

Share your amended message created in Step 3 for maximum exposure.

@ShawnLeary ↶ Reply to #30085 #30087 03:41 AM, 19 Sep 2018

link?

@483911280 #30088 03:42 AM, 19 Sep 2018

^^^read above @ShawnLeary

@ShawnLeary #30089 03:42 AM, 19 Sep 2018

read, what does it mean

@ShawnLeary #30090 03:43 AM, 19 Sep 2018

where is the longer list?

@483911280 #30091 03:44 AM, 19 Sep 2018

not sure. i think it's a scam.

@483911280 #30092 03:45 AM, 19 Sep 2018

it could be a way to get BITCORN rich quick. not sure.

@jasonbs ↶ Reply to #29957 #30101 08:16 AM, 19 Sep 2018

Many thanks.

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #30100 #30102 12:17 PM, 19 Sep 2018

Atm we're focusing efforts on getting Counterparty updated, as there's a huge risk of hitting a showstopping bug with btcdrak's Bitcoin fork

@104473096 #30103 12:18 PM, 19 Sep 2018

Then we're gonna bring long requested features from backlogged cips

@104473096 #30104 12:19 PM, 19 Sep 2018

And then begin adding new features via the cip process we all know and love

@jdogresorg #30105 03:10 PM, 19 Sep 2018

giphy (2).mp4

@heunland #30110 09:18 PM, 19 Sep 2018

Cointelegraph.com reports that Zaif exchange was hacked a few days ago

@heunland #30111 09:20 PM, 19 Sep 2018

Looks like some XCP and Bitcrystals left their hotwallet 5 and 6 days ago

@heunland #30112 09:21 PM, 19 Sep 2018

But there still is a large XCP balance left

@heunland #30113 09:23 PM, 19 Sep 2018

Same with Pepecash

@heunland #30114 09:24 PM, 19 Sep 2018

Maybe hackers don't know where to offload Counterparty assets

@heunland #30115 09:36 PM, 19 Sep 2018

Apparently only BTC, MONA and BCH were taken and the deposits and withdrawals are stopped

@Barbatoss #30119 07:28 AM, 20 Sep 2018

Yeah 196,000 XCP are still there in their wallet

@529335952 #30121 08:58 AM, 20 Sep 2018

Check out @NicolasSierro’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/NicolasSierro/status/1042602349603315712?s=09

Nicolas Sierro

My @BitCrystals @SpellsofGenesis @SpellsJP @a_table_game colleagues are ready for Tokyo Game Show #TokyoGameShow #tgs2018 visit our booth Hall2 N14 for a cocktail of products around #blockchain #gaming #collectibles #casatookan #Wallet #Bitcoin #Ethereum #bitcrystals #swissgames

@529335952 #30123 04:41 PM, 20 Sep 2018

. Historical BTC:XCP ratios

0.018 FEB 2014
0.02 BTC NOV 2014
0.008 NOV 2014
0.0083 AUG 2015
0.0084 JUN 2017
0.0081 JAN 2018
0.000051 SEP 2018
xxxxx : 2019

@jdogresorg #30124 04:42 PM, 20 Sep 2018

0.05 : 2019 😛

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #30124 #30126 04:46 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Could well be.

Many alts are down 1 year but there's no sense with the extent this has been oversold IMO. I'm putting some of it down to shallow markets exacerbating moves in either direction (small volume can easily double current price.. hell current price can 10x with moderate buy pressure) maybe last of the buy high sell low dec 2017 crowd needing rent money is almost. gone. noticing some patient accumulation. Let's see how it plays out

@raretruck ↶ Reply to #30124 #30127 05:08 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Based on what? Hopes and dreams?

@jdogresorg #30128 05:11 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Based on the fact that we have had little to no dev work done over the past year, and now we have a developer who is moving forward on a bunch of initiatives to improve CP including a CPVM which could bring it up to par with ETH and make it a pretty serious competitor.... and based on the fact that a large quantity of XCP is in the hands of a few holders who have no interest in selling anytime soon..... seems primed for a pump at some point this year.... who knows how high it will go, but seems like serious potential if we get the CPVM

@jdogresorg #30129 05:12 PM, 20 Sep 2018

so yeah... hopes and dreams ... nothing is guaranteed 🙂

@jdogresorg #30130 05:14 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Price pumped the highest to 0.02 BTC when the EVM announcement was "accidentally" announced early..... still lots of conspiracy theories surrounding that... but it did show that there was serious interest in the VM at the time.... now that the EVM newness has worn off and some of the centralized "decentralized" smart contracts are being exposed..... perhaps the market will welcome a simpler non-turing complete VM.

@mightbemike ↶ Reply to #30130 #30131 05:34 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Can you ELI5 the rationale for a simple VM? Does anyone really need this?

@jdogresorg #30132 05:35 PM, 20 Sep 2018

https://counterpartytalk.org/t/proof-of-concept-vm-development/3031

Proof-of-concept VM Development

So i’ve recently started to develop a minimal pure python Virtual Machine tailored specifically for counterparty. I’m starting this thread to keep note of development and design decisions, and also to get input from the community regarding what should the VM do. FAQ Why not use EVM? EVM was designed with ethereum blocktimes and specifics in mind. CP has already a lot of groundwork regarding tokens, bets and a lot of useful functions that don’t need to be recoded in a smart contract. Isn’t...

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #30131 #30133 05:35 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Absolutely.

@jdogresorg #30134 05:37 PM, 20 Sep 2018

ELI5..... 99.9% of programming can be done without the need for turing-completeness.... turing-complete is very very VERY hard to do correct and not necessary for most stuff.

@529335952 #30135 05:38 PM, 20 Sep 2018

I'd say a huge majority of buyers brought in on the premise of a VM (just like ethereum itself) even if some portions didn't fully grasp the implications that was a major selling point, and a point for developers to play around with new, advanced use cases. and while it was probably the right call to make not pushing in port of the serpent to mainnet after theDAO (and many other debacles) ETH brushed them off, it had obvious effects. While eth is doing a ton of work on securing things up, wanting to migrate to wasm etc, a simplistic VM makes a ton of sense.

@mightbemike ↶ Reply to #30135 #30137 05:47 PM, 20 Sep 2018

I still haven't heard the "why" - there would seem to be very little functionality that can be added by having a VM and clearly potential for problems. Why would the tradeoff be worthwhile? BTW I don't think RSK is a wise way to go.

@mightbemike #30138 05:47 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Is it all about marketing?

@jdogresorg #30139 05:51 PM, 20 Sep 2018

"very little functionality that can be added by having a VM".... hrm... I tend to disagree.... with a minimal VM, we could do almost everything that ETH can do but also eliminate some of the security issues that the EVM has..... for tech details, probably better to ask a dev like John or Devon or Joe looney... I only have a very cursory understanding of the CPVM and the functionality it will provide.

@jdogresorg ↶ Reply to #30138 #30140 05:52 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Naww... CP has never really been all about marketing.... its one of the weak points of CP, so definitely not all about marketing... more about adding tools to the platform to allow people to play around...... make a big sandbox, the other kids will want to come and play 🙂

@mightbemike ↶ Reply to #30139 #30141 05:55 PM, 20 Sep 2018

I suppose my belief is that most of what can be done via Ethereum smart contracts can already be done on Counterparty with some ingenuity, and the rest can be accomplished with minor additions via CIP.

@jdogresorg #30142 05:59 PM, 20 Sep 2018

True... with a little work you can make CP work for almost anything... but currently still need the "middleware" to run on a centralized server.... with the CPVM, the entire thing could run from the blockchain, like ETH does. Opens up possibilities to run things like powh.io (not that I encourage pyramid schemes, but having them be provably fair and truly decentralized does have some appeal)

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #30142 #30143 05:59 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Agreed.

@529335952 ↶ Reply to #30137 #30144 06:01 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Personally I don't see implementation of a specific/somewhat neutered VM as any kind a trade off.

@mightbemike ↶ Reply to #30142 #30145 06:04 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Good point. But to be fair, everyone rolling their own platform is problematic too. Now I guess we're all basically using the same contracts as implemented in CP protocol. If everyone can customize every time, aka Ethereum contracts, then security becomes a persistent problem.

@104473096 #30146 06:05 PM, 20 Sep 2018

the risk reduction for the CPVM comes from two design decisions being made early on

@104473096 #30147 06:06 PM, 20 Sep 2018

1) No contract can "loop" over arbitrary data, only map-reduce semantics over predefined sets (holders)
2) Interaction semantics are what's already there on CP: orders, sells, etc. No way to have random function calls.

@mightbemike ↶ Reply to #30147 #30148 06:13 PM, 20 Sep 2018

2 seems to really lock things down security-wise, that's huge. But 1 might only partially mitigate the turing-complete class of problems, it's not just looping that's problematic, no?

@mightbemike #30149 06:14 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Will I be able to write a smart contract to factor a huge number that has only huge prime factors, such that most nodes will not be able to perform calculation before the next block?

@104473096 #30150 06:14 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Removing looping and limiting code jumps to be only forward effectively makes a machine non Turing complete

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #30149 #30151 06:15 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Nope

@104473096 #30152 06:18 PM, 20 Sep 2018

No looping

@mightbemike ↶ Reply to #30151 #30153 06:18 PM, 20 Sep 2018

👍👍👍

@mightbemike ↶ Reply to #30152 #30154 06:19 PM, 20 Sep 2018

no recursion

@104473096 #30155 06:19 PM, 20 Sep 2018

In fact, most contracts will want to be less than 40 bytes long

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #30154 #30156 06:40 PM, 20 Sep 2018

neither recursion, no call semantics

@104473096 #30157 06:40 PM, 20 Sep 2018

no jump back

@104473096 #30158 06:40 PM, 20 Sep 2018

only branch forward semantics

@104473096 #30159 06:41 PM, 20 Sep 2018

prolly reducing instruction set to 16 instructions, tops

@104473096 #30160 06:41 PM, 20 Sep 2018

+common counterparty instructions (which will be called by a special op)

@104473096 #30161 06:42 PM, 20 Sep 2018

4 bits ops with 16 registers

@104473096 #30162 06:42 PM, 20 Sep 2018

so an op can operate in a register with just an 8 bits call

@104473096 #30163 06:42 PM, 20 Sep 2018

jump forward up to 16 bytes

@104473096 #30164 06:42 PM, 20 Sep 2018

etc etc

@mightbemike #30165 07:07 PM, 20 Sep 2018

That's a VERY simple instruction set and model. I might've been prematurely skeptical about the risk potential. 😁

@104473096 #30166 07:08 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Yup

@104473096 #30167 07:08 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Modeling it to be really simple

@104473096 #30168 07:09 PM, 20 Sep 2018

I've done several projects with pic mcus before

@104473096 #30169 07:09 PM, 20 Sep 2018

And I'm modeling some stuff from their instruction set

@104473096 #30170 07:10 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Thinking of each contact more as a "clause" than a whole contract

@Nickst2 ↶ Reply to #30167 #30171 07:25 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Are you the only one working on it or are there others?

@104473096 #30172 07:25 PM, 20 Sep 2018

cpvm?

@104473096 #30173 07:26 PM, 20 Sep 2018

me

@Nickst2 ↶ Reply to #30172 #30174 07:26 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Yes

@104473096 #30175 07:26 PM, 20 Sep 2018

let's just hope i don't get a stroke or a heart attack loooool

@Nickst2 ↶ Reply to #30175 #30176 07:27 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Haha yes. Don't follow any crazy crypto diets.

@ShawnLeary ↶ Reply to #30175 #30177 07:30 PM, 20 Sep 2018

we need a health insurance bounty for you!!

@104473096 #30178 07:30 PM, 20 Sep 2018

sticker (6).webp

@Nickst2 ↶ Reply to #30177 #30179 07:34 PM, 20 Sep 2018

Augur prediction market maybe. Will Johns heart survive coding the vm?

@104473096 #30180 09:41 PM, 20 Sep 2018

sticker (6).webp

@TitaniumP ↶ Reply to #30155 #30208 12:43 AM, 24 Sep 2018

Can Bitcoin core ever reduce op_return to 0? Rendering xcp useless?

@TitaniumP ↶ Reply to #30211 #30212 12:56 AM, 24 Sep 2018

👍thanks for the reply. Just been a lingering thought of mine that need to be checked.

@TitaniumP #30213 12:58 AM, 24 Sep 2018

Iam glad to finally see a potential for updates in the future

@104473096 #30214 01:07 AM, 24 Sep 2018

🎉

@104473096 ↶ Reply to #30210 #30215 01:08 AM, 24 Sep 2018

Also the fact that on that compromise the opposing part just obtained what they wanted, pruning op_returns from their dataset

@raretruck #30241 11:46 AM, 25 Sep 2018

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@raretruck #30242 11:46 AM, 25 Sep 2018

Counterparty is so cheap (HOW CHEAP IS IT?) Counterparty is so cheap, every time I think of buying more I ___.

@krostue #30243 11:51 AM, 25 Sep 2018

...Ask myself myself why theDEX must be so tricky for btc/xcp

@Needmoney90 ↶ Reply to #30242 #30244 07:13 PM, 25 Sep 2018

Curl up fetal position and cry in a corner

@Nickst2 ↶ Reply to #30242 #30245 08:47 PM, 25 Sep 2018

Think opportunity opportunity opportunity, rekt.

@Nickst2 #30248 04:49 AM, 26 Sep 2018

@droplister are you creating a different version of counterparty?

@Nickst2 #30252 05:06 AM, 26 Sep 2018

Sounds good. How would a snapshot work for assets?

@Nickst2 #30255 05:08 AM, 26 Sep 2018

I'm super dumb and not technical so didn't know that.

@Nickst2 #30257 05:11 AM, 26 Sep 2018

Crypto is 95% vaporware so it should fit in.

@Nickst2 #30259 05:34 AM, 26 Sep 2018

Bring on two letter assets.

@krostue #30290 06:00 PM, 28 Sep 2018

giphy (2).mp4

@635168884 #30309 10:35 PM, 29 Sep 2018

Hello

@heunland #30319 05:07 AM, 30 Sep 2018

Hi!

@Aztek_btc ↶ Reply to #30319 #30320 05:12 AM, 30 Sep 2018

Its a bot

@DefinitelyN0tMe #30329 10:54 AM, 30 Sep 2018

giphy (2).mp4

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