https://twitter.com/mafiawars_io/status/1112783832913108992

https://twitter.com/CounterpartyXCP/status/1113123521264152577

Yep. Joe is always playing with CP and various concepts.... first he had XCP Chrome wallet... then RarePepeWallet.. now Freeport.io 🙂

cool clicked on .io sites are cool

firefox??

when firefox , i have a add on account

i could try porting it to firefox unpack etc]

nice domain tho

Uploading loon3/Freeport-extension: Collect, create and.png to Google Drive.

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Share away dubya

Metahash - scam?

No

Prove it ???

Would a scam launch a network and support it?

At least they do what they say

X11Coin?

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There we go....100packs added🥳 check your pack there are five new stickers.

Introducing downie pepe

Heads up telegram PM scam alert 🚨: XCP group users have reported spoofed usernames offering private XCP/BTC deals. NEVER trade big money over telegram always use xcpdex.com for large orders its the only working escrow to ensure you dont get scammed. If it sounds too good to be true...!!!

https://youtu.be/Od3I8Iecfeg

Hehe nice pack

Selling some xcp

use an exchange.

Novel

Let me guess 20,000 sats?

no lol

OTC sales are not allowed here. Use an exchange.

lol

scammer

deleted his message

and now please leave the group

lol

delete message

😂

what

Is xcp any good

Why is counterparty falling so much on the exchanges?

ded

/ban

Bittrexx blocked for New York residents so a few NY people sold, then bunch of people who aren't resident of New York (or indeed even live n the US) panic sold too. Happened to other coins as well.

Thanks @coco_nut2019

And yet the platform continues to operate, with hundreds of sends and orders daily..... guessing your judging the platform by the exchange price... the least interesting thing about Counterparty.

btc fell too (a lot of crudely constructed sentiment bots don't help) and most coins follow in lockstep. Thinner less liquid markets drop easier but also rise easier.

Yeah for xcp -25% in a day when it's already down 97% is rough for a total non issue, especially as there's wall-st backed & badge of approval'd poloniex available as a venue for NY residents but these markets are pretty derpy in the short term.

xcp is such a great project, it makes no sense to me that it’s not reflected in market liquidity and price

TIC This Is Crypto. If I had this group’s meme skills I’d be getting Leonardo DiCaprio pick from that film blood diamond where he says TIA

Clam coin is a token with very little active development and it’s price was pumped up for no reason

Agreed, IMO the cryptoeconomics/incentives need to be aligned to let individuals promote that value. RVNs a worse version of xcp tbh, there are zero worthwhile tokens, no dex, no economy. It's $1.5B implied mkt cap, xcp $5m. In large part due to mineability

If your coin is mineable, even if its a shitcoin theres an ecosystem that will spring up, pool operators, hobbyists, miner coders, large farms, and of course all of these people talk, develop, contribute, critique and evangelize the project. A community forms.

Exchanges eventually want a slice of the guaranteed action (of course, some exchanges have revenue share agreements with mines too) so they will list, and then you have an audience, liquidity, people with skin in the game, just like that, you're coasting along.

This is one reason omni and xcp are languishing despite the fact they're fundamentally strong technology! They stuck their fingers up to rent seeking miners but in turn alienated the biggest group of interactors/ promoters and then got secondary burn from exchanges due to the chilling effect of ignoring miners who would generate activity/revenue for these exchanges.. thats a risk when not having the clout (or warchest) the large ICO tokens had with high profile advisors and listing fees.

That’s an interesting thesis about how rewards incentives are needed

But is the demand of those mineable tokens used for anything other than speculation

If XCP was used as a protocol to tokenise shares then its true demand would rise quite significantly and one doesn’t need a mining / exchange community to fluff demand

So I’d agree with your thesis whole heartedly for coins that are used only as a medium of exchange but not convinced for coins that are used to provide some kind of digital product or service

purely from a speculative perspective, exactly

Since miners collectively stand to gain a bunch of sats for mining using existin already paid off HW (and stand to gain zero for non mineable coins) there's a very large incentive to engage w mineable coins lotteries

PoW sets an organic price floor based on elec costs, hw, difficulty etc. E.G BTC would not be 5k now if it costs 1k to mine (on avg) and if it cost 10k to mine for even the most well scaled mining operations the market price would be above that or diff would take a colossal nosedive and things would self correct

Aside from tens of thousands of disparite miners (who also helpfully double as evangelists, voices asking for exchange integration, wallet support etc) there are large farms with 10,20,45k GPU's, some have partnerships with hydro, oil, aluminium smelters so are paying close to 0 per kwh, When diff of a coin that starts trading at $1 goes up 100x because more and more guys like this move in it follows that the price moves along in somewhat of the same direction, because the cost of the coin HAS to increase to break even even if some miners drop out/diff levels down

nobody wants to make a loss so you end up with a weird scenario in lieu of actual fundamental attempts at 'valuations' where the market 'value' of a coin on exchange is instead simply a function of how expensive it is to mine plus a premium and nothing do with much else, (okay so marketing helps too) but this PoW price floor is something that non mineable coins lack. (I guess closest is new ICOs with no lockup, you don't generally turnaround and sell for less than you just paid)

Right now if xcp was mineable with a total supply of ~2 million no way in hell would it be below $2 for what it is, the competition from miners would see to it that it would cost significantly more than that to mine. I'd say $2000 (or $2 with supply merged 1000x) would be more realistic, which is still places it a fair bit below ETH (remember xcp was once _above_ eth)

Omni existed for 5 years, escrows tethers $2B in value- the most popular token in the space yet it's mkt cap is $1.7 million fully diluted.That's how much it would cost to gain 100% control over that token protocol.

You would need much deeper pockets- an implied $1.4 billion to take over a 100% stake in RVN-- another token protocol, little over a year old. Why's it so valuable when it escrows.. nothing and obviously has less utility. there are no tokens of note, it lacks many features counterparty has had for years, it's another siloed blockchain fork of btc that lacks the interoperability of omni, counterparty, it's less secure.. so where's the explanation for such a relative distorted valuation? That's what you'd ask if we were investing in these projects as companies

in no small part because it's an ecosystem and recurring cash cow for anyone who owns mining HW (and it has all the momentum and incentive to promote itself that comes along with that.

But the cool thing about counterparty is it's not it's not just a coin for speculative purposes, it's a platform. a suite of tools we have an ecosystem that can be engaged with. A native, baked in DEX. that's a huge central component both omni and RVN lacm

if XCP community relaunched a la NXT to NEM _with_ some concept of mineability, even on it's own chain I'm sure this room would have 2x the number of users and 5x the activity in a week easy

In the long run though if the mineable tokens’ price doesn’t reflect authentic demand - ie if the network isn’t using it to facilitate trade- then the price is being driven up by speculation and eventually that bubble will burst and hash rate will fall and the cost of generation will be minimal. I think the market only has room for a few unique blockchains and Bitcoin’s blockchain is likely to be the most valuable even in the long run particularly if btc becomes a reserve global internet money. That would imply that layer 2 protocols like XCP would serve a purpose. On the other hand mineable tokens that aren’t of value will decline. The price floor determined by cost of generation can fall to such low levels that the chain loses its ability to provide a secure ledger.

In a nutshell mining doesn’t provide a long term floor on price bc hashrate responds to price rather than the other way around

Bitcoin’s hashrate falls in a bear market

So propping up a token’s price by creating a mining community and exchange community who collectively work together to drive the value up will only work for a few blockchains and will only work for blockchains that generate organic use of its tokens.

What I’m saying is ultimately I think organic demand of a protocol will determine the token’s value. For tokens native to a blockchain I agree that value will be higher bc the value of the token will reflect the value of the blockchain which will be greater than the value of a protocol built on top of that blockchain. But at the same time the market could be mispricing tokens native to blockchains that aren’t facilitating authentic demand. So ultimately giving XCP a mining community is redundant in the long term bc it is built on top of an existing blockchain

In the short term while speculation and exchanges drive price I agree with you

@coco_nut2019 what do you do btw? Interesting chat

-Rebrand (fresh web update)
-increase incentive (masternode reward, lighting network support, 3 letter assets, something)
-finish dev cips (many are awesome)
-promote use cases (betting, voting, security tokens, asset creation, dividend payments, cross chain, etc)

Selling some xcp

27,000 units😂

no lol

i am not a big whale

😔

Jump on the dex and go wild

is there any xcp block explorer live that also shows btc transactions?

AFAIK, there is only the one xcp block explorer xchain.io... there was an xcpfox.com run by droplister, but it has been down for months

ya, damn :)

Cool, so list it for sale on the Decentralized Exchange (DEX), or post it for sale on an exchange. You will get no one here to do an OTC trade with you.

https://twitter.com/circuitsofvalue/status/1118338661903491072

Wondering if any development is being done, there was a bunch of updates months ago that was quite encouraging if they've all stopped. Where is MPMA? So much potential being left on the table... We need someone to come and save us. Resurrect the community. Beg the crypto-currency community for forgiveness. Repent our sins and rise again. seriously tho. Jesus.

P2sh encoding has to be completed before mpma can be released. Recently @chiguireitor who lives in Venezuela has been working on cp, but difficult to work without consistent power (the power grid in Venezuela is failing pretty regularly)

Perhaps @chiguireitor can give an update.

Yeah, lost +1 month of work with all this power outage thing

I think a lot of people here do not appreciate the fact that this is an all volunteer project, this is not some company with some big budget and full time staff of devs and marketing... If you believe progress is too slow perhaps you should ask yourself what can I do to help move it along faster?

welp... i know for a fact ryanson helps a lot

he's just not "public" about it

Thanks. I want to contribute more but coding isn't something iam familiar with. I'm trying to figure out how to best put my skills to work for the community.

I have experience in setting up businesses, marketing and advertising, bringing people together, STO process etc

Hope the situation in Venezuela stabilizes. John you're a good guy and you do awesome work can't imagine what it's like losing power 4 weeks and months at a time

https://www.cardrates.com/news/open-source-counterparty-pushes-blockchain-beyond-money-transfers/

Thanks to @theogoodman for doing this interview 🙂

Hi! I would like to hear the XCP community's opinion on the following subject:
I have an account in Bittrex. I use it mainly to exchange BTC to XCP. I have used it many times in the past without any issues. Today I made a mistake. Instead of sending BTC to my bittrex associated BTC wallet address, I sent BTC to my bittrex associated XCP wallet address.

I clearly understand that this is my mistake, and I am ready to pay for my mistake (i.e. I am not complaining about it). Bittrex has some "not so fair" Crosschain Recovery Policy: "Bittrex's cross chain recovery policy is that we will only attempt to recover deposits that exceed $5000 at the time of deposit, within 7 days of the deposit and will charge a 0.1 BTC for this recovery".

I send them a message, explaining them, that my issue does not apply to their "cross chain recovery policy". Instead of sending BTC to my bittrex associated BTC wallet address, I send BTC to my bittrex XCP address (which is actually a BTC address). Further, after my transaction got 7 confirmations, I saw in the blockchain explorer, that they automatically transferred my BTC to another address. Hence they were able to automatically recover those BTC from my XCP address and transferred those somewhere else. I clearly understand that if I had sent XCP to my bittrex BTC address, then that might be another case, since recovering those XCP might possible be more complicated.

I received the following response:

"Good Afternoon,

I absolutely understand what you mean; however, XCP (Counterparty) and BTC (Bitcoin) are 2 separate coins because XCP has is its own mainnet coin and thus are not able to be send to the others wallet. This results in a "Crosschain", a Crosschain is when you send one coin to another coins wallet address when they do not run on the same blockchain.

Because XCP uses the Counterparty blockchain and BTC uses the Bitcoin blockchain, we are unable to retrieve these coins for the amount of funds due to the reason that, recovering coins sent as a Crosschain is an inherently dangerous and time consuming process.

Have a great rest of your day, I look forward to hearing from you in the near future.
Best Regards,"

As I said in the beginning, this is my mistake. Also, the BTC amount was not a large one, hence I am (kinda) OK of losing it.

All I want to ask is: Does what bittrex responded is arguably/tenable? (i.e. are theιr point a valid one?) Or they just got my BTC, and based on their "policies" trying to bulshiting me? (sorry for my expression)
Will the retrieval of BTC from my bitrexx XCP addy, can be considered as "an inherently dangerous and time consuming process", according to the Bitrexx representative?

If I recall correctly, someone from here (prolly John???) helped an exchange in the past with some XCP wallet issues that they had. Hence I hope that I can understand how my XCP address works (from the exchange point of view) and why it is such a big deal to retrieve the BTC from it.

thanks a lot in advance. (+apologies for the walltext 😜 )

Same thing happened to me with bittrex a year or 2 ago. My send wasn't worth the recovery fee. I asked them how I could go about retrieving the private keys for my xcp/btc associated wallet. They said they can't give me that information. If I had the keys to my deposit account number I'd be able to withdraw my xcp tokens without getting them involved from the btc deposit address or vice versa.

In the end, I fought, I lost and I gave up because it was only few hundred bucks. Maybe oneday it'll be worth the recovery fee.

they just got your BTC, and based on their "policies" trying to bullshit you..... Technically not that difficult to go in and send you back your BTC... probably less effort than just replying to your support request... but, they are an exchange and they can set their own rules, even if those rules screw you over in the case of a mistake.

Thanks for the reply. I thought so (that they are bullshiting me), but I had to ask, just in case there were other parameters that I am missing here. Lesson learned I guess.... (+ I didn't ask to send me back the BTC. All I asked was to credit those BTC to my bitrexx BTC wallet. They would still have gotten the commission for using their exchange in order to convert those BTC to XCP (+ future commissions in case I was still an active customer of bittrex in the future...) 😒

yeah, they response is bullshit.... prolly just a dumb representative that knows jack shit about anything at all besides making customers lose time

how their wallet works tho, is a completely different business

being myself maintainer of an exchange, i can tell you access to hot wallets is very restricted, so maybe it isn't as easy

mostly because of the engineering support side

However, if I understand correctly, the specific bittrex xcp wallet address that I sent BTC, is not bittrex main XCP hot wallet. It is a wallet addy that "belongs" to me, and every XCP that I sent to that addy, is credited to my account. Also (if I further understand correctly) they have a bot monitoring my deposit xcp address, and every x period of time, transfers/sweep all the funds to their "main" xcp/BTC hot/cold wallets.

Same here, same response from Bittrex. I also lost around 100 XCP (when it was at .007) when someone mysteriously wiped my account. Bittrex response was simply ‘you must’ve entered your credentials into a fake clone site so it’s your fault’. Fuckers!

What fury me the most, is that those BTC were not stuck to the sending XCP address. They sweep them shortly after. Now they are keeping my BTC as hostage based on their terms & policies. In the theoreticaly scenario that I had sent a rarepepe asset to my bittrex BTC account, and that asset got stuck there, I could understand their point. They would need some fees in order their engineers to try and recover it. But this is not the case. Also you said that you fought for it. There is a thin line between forcing enough pressure to them for resolving the issue, and force more than enough pressure. Although personally I always trying to use valid arguments (instead of just yelling at them), there is always the possibility to deactivate my account, by making imaginary accusations that I tryed to harassed them of threaten them.

Anyways, enough of my personal issues on that topic, and spamming this channel about it. let's move on 😁. I never keep any amount on exchanges. I always go in and out as fast as I can 😜. Not your private keys, not your BTC

@chiguireitor off topic: when rarepepe party will be ready? I wanted it to be ready like yesterday! 😂😜(just joking... Keep up the good work and release it whenever you feel ready about it, not when others suggest you to do it.)

Be sure to join the @rarepepepartygamedev group to get updates, been having some progress lately (and a little bit of banter)

I know. I am already a member of that group... and reading all those complains there.. LOL... As I said.. I was just joking 😂

"About six years after Blockchain’s 2008 introduction"
lol

Thinking of a server node forging

Is this what you're looking for? Describes improvement proposals but not bounties. https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips

https://counterparty.io/donate/

All the current CIPs are funded.... the one which we really need done next is P2SH data encoding as that will allow us to encode large amounts of data in a single transaction, which is needed to make Multi-Peer-Multi-Asset sends (MPMA) valuable...... The p2sh data encoding is a large project... and I know @chiguireitor has been working on it.... Perhaps he could/should update it with a bounty amount, so that the community can fund the CIP and pay him for his time.

Yes! I agree

This community has fallen apart, there is no community. There's barely any development because there are no funds for development because there is no foundation. Xcp had the chance to scoop up Mass amounts of adoption but instead the foundation fell apart the community shattered and all the CIP sit with no developer behind it. There seems to be no direction, no vision, no community no foundation no development. If it weren't for John... We'd be dead by now. I keep wondering, will BTC foundation lock us out of the margins? Are we going to be delisted? rendering the platform useless unless it adopts another blockchain which in the past it's hesitated doing? Everyone's deserted xcp... Will we keep falling on price, usage, adoption etc? Projects have deserted xcp because development has lacked. Who will save us? Who will be the leader that brings us all together the fight for the right for survival?

The potential of xcp is mind-boggling but the lack of community leader is holding this back on so many fronts.

Remember when Devon was working on xcp? Things got done. Now?

If it weren't for John there'd be no dev. He can save us from doom but he's one man working on a community project left for shambles

Remember when Devon was attacked by a few members of the community and he decided it was no longer worth it? Remember when those same members of the "community" attacked the CP foundation and made them also decide that it was no longer worth the effort? I would agree with you that the community is lacking leadership right now, however the current state is primarily due to a few key individuals who have decided to attack CP rather than focus on helping it grow. It would be nice to have some organizational structure put back in place for CP where things could get moving forward at a nice pace again..... unfortunately, there are just about 4-5 of us who have stuck with CP through thick and thin and run/host/dev everything.... it is a thankless job, and being attacked for working on something you enjoy makes it not enjoyable anymore.

My hope is that we can put out p2sh and MPMA, then revamp the CP website and do a marketing push to get it some more attention.... the platform works fine, it is just the marketing and development which is lacking.

Exciting things are still in the works... just gotta wait a bit longer 🙂

I will lead Counter Party. No problem.

。

Hi..what happen to xcp now?..seems like people are selling it. The price has drop so much...

My impression is people are selling very small amounts but no one buying either. Don't think this project is anywhere near dead , actually there's been more good news compared to the news before last pump 😎pretty hard to get any attention during long downs where lots of ppl get super frustrated and ignore pretty much

We should all appreciate the work that's still being done! These guys work for us investors!! Show some love for the xcp devs guys! ❤️LETS GO COUNTERPARTY 😎🚀

This 👆

Hey guys, anybody sellin crypto here (btc/eth/btc cash)? I don't mind going first, need to buy some, 😁

i'm selling NEWBITCORN

elite crypto

Today, I cryptographically secured ownership of living organisms using Counterparty

Go on..

If I tell you, will you vote me the ceo of Counterparty?

It would be my honor.

👍

How many votes total will I need? Is 10 enough?

I vote wheeler

6 more and I’m in charge?

Has anyone managed to get the freeport wallet extension running on firefox? Just tried quickly w/ chrome store foxified and failed.

I’ll vote for ya Wheeler, you have contributed a lot to bitcorn.

+1 for wheeler.

If I get 4 more votes and become Counterparty CEO, I will need them to unban me from that chat

+1 for Wheeler 😜

Thanks. I'll try again, see if I can get it working.

as the leader of counterparty, i will bring all the counterparty factions together

I had a similar experience in there. I don’t understand why there is more than one counterparty telegram group

The other Counterparty channel is one run by Trevor Altpeter.... at one time he was a CP foundation member, but when he was not re-elected to the foundation, he decided that he would withhold media contact info from the new foundation members, and held the telegram room and said wanted to get paid to hand it over. Rather than deal with him and his ransom request, the foundation decided the best course of action was to just start a new channel. This is why there are 2 telegram rooms (you'll notice THIS one is the only one linked from the counterparty.io website).... The other one is run by Trevor, which explains why he is always talking crap about Counterparty and some of its members.

The King for a day will bring us much success!

Thank you for your sacrifice wheeler!

King of CP Foundation

I’ve been in charge of lots of CP projects over the last year. Excited to now control all of CP

because of what CP means outside of our organization, using xcp, or XCP as a short name for CounterParty is better, imho

Yes, xcp king. Sorry

so, ah ... ravencoin: best laid plan or what?

ffs what udder crap

when decentralized is simply a buzzword

out of curiosity, anyone got the numbers on xcp?
looks like about 50% issuance in the top 100 addresses

QUITE the difference

Xchain should show the distribution I believe. Blockscan used to calculate the gini

To be fair exchanges skew the numbers some what.

edit. the top 100 address make up 78.13% of the holders

to be fair, this is by the explorer on both projects, so top holders may be exchanges, sure. ooops lost the keys

dont matter. same measurement. point is that the users outside of the top 100 have 21.87% while RVN the peons get 2.05%

How much xcp does it take to be in the top 100?

itll only cost you 1664

99 0.06534339% 1,709.17260000
100 0.06360111% 1,663.59999999

good time to go all in. wish i could have earlier. as soon as payday comes in a bigly way

sorry. train of thought from reading this article.
http://archive.is/nAgGg

In terms of dollar amount buy-in too it's a lot less significant being in the top 100 of a coin worth much less

mark my words. when he crows never more their flock will try to join our murder

sure, if you like to buy high and sell low

buying into the top 100 of an underdog before the boom is the very focus of any profitable investor

id like to see where the hashrate of RVN falls into this table...

Ran the numbers before, not so much. they rely heavily on many conf policy via offramps. Less of a big deal when sending little to/from exchanges but more problematic for (high) value p2p asset transfers

the investigation of FLO developments led me to RVN, and tZERO. same problems here... i'd imagine the ratio is quite worse than above to think that such low hashrates can hold actual securities securely. am i mistaken in thinking this is a house of cards?

https://medium.com/@valueprop/florincoin-the-tzero-connection-66697c81c873