- 01 May 2024 (41 messages)
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https://twitter.com/rarepepenews/status/1785488706050371634
here's a question I have just posed to the NFT archaeology community...RarePepeNews (@rarepepenews) on XOpen question to the #NFT archaeologists Is NUMERAIAI from the 2017 #Memorychain collection 10,000 issuance the earliest NFT with "Artificial Intelligence" on the artwork? #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #digitalart #Counterparty https://t.co/UyuoptjrrJ
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Wow 🤩 thanks a lot, I got my btc back I really appreciate it. 🤗🚀
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When will we be able to use our counter party wallets again?
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we are working on it, there is no definite date yet. a protocol bug late last broke Counterwallet. that issue's been fixed but Counterblock (a Counterwallet dependency) is untenably slow.
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There’s freewallet and Rarepepewallet.wtf, why do people want to use counterwallet?
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Not everyone is comfortable moving seeds from one web wallet to another mostly because it’s a terrible practice.
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this sounds very much configurable...
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I get it, feel the same way. But always felt comfortable going from counterwallet to freewallet.
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I don’t remember seeing any configurations on the user side making it possible to lower the minimum fee. Could def be wrong.
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I mean serverside
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You can't use half the features in those wallets. You can't disable pictures when it gets slow. You only get the pictures of certain projects
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RPW has added Stamps support which is nice. Definitely the best option.
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RPW.WTF that is.
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Pepe.wtf has always been very clunky, hopefully the cp updates remedy that
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We are trying to solve that user experience problem, and integrating new chains, the simpler things are, the easier they are to replicate... our goal is to make CP attract the attention of the masses with the DEFI hook.
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We have an uphill climb to gain the trust of the community.... but I think simplicity makes it easier.
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What do you mean? Seems like it’s always been great
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Perhaps it was just my devises
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We must use what we have to build good things. I have financed everything from my pocket and I think the community deserves it, at least have a secure tool where they can manage their assets.
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I definitely think that you deserve the help of the community I would love to help, but my bitcoin is on counterparty and I’m an older gentleman and it’s just seems easier. I’m not as smart as you guys, but I liked it before because it was easy to get into an easy to use.
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the CP community has given me a lot of love...I appreciate that.
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The fact that you have your bitcoins in counterparty makes you smarter than most bitcoiners...
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👍👊🫵 Good.
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I think Crypto King meant counterwallet
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lol
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How so, ser
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Get out of our own way and learn. 🙏
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Big exchanges reacting to the barcelona event.
- 02 May 2024 (11 messages)
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iOS it’s very nice and clean
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https://davestaxcp.gitbook.io/freewallet.io-user-manual/troubleshooting-issues/counterparty-api-communication-error
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That was corrected a long time already)
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review your server settings for CP Host then.... newest update (for Reset to Default) is public.xchain.io and the other option is using api.counterparty.io .... also check your CP Port too
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🐸 OG RarePepe dispensers open for business 🤝
🫥 DAOPEPEHACK
https://xchain.io/tx/8d9df3349c96d9e2bb041ca71e760de0c4f3585947d87794a42a05d7df1326cf
🍴HARDPEPEFORK
https://xchain.io/tx/412bbde2158d5488f3c5bfe16d5250a5c65a8db9b5e6f740eb28dec8d40676c9
👷♂️PEPEMINING
https://xchain.io/tx/19682e152a56ad9e5beced605cba201c4815fe8e011e5e992cc7dfa1a769d842
👹RARECHAVEZ
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Ser I’m not gonna click on each one just to find out what it is
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Problem solved. My apologies, ser.
- 03 May 2024 (12 messages)
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PEPENEFRTITI | Series 15 Card 34 by ooakosimo
via FAKERARES (orange rarepepe series)
Total Supply: 48
Holders: 16
xcp trade order for 0.00555 btc
https://xchain.io/tx/93880f0e5eb0fac9c30f8e84c08260aaef410680e383f023612ae677991ff357
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3YR OLD DISPENSERS I MADE FOR MY ART IN COUNTERPARTY (REJECTED CARDS) CREATED BY OOAKOSIMO
DONUTBRIBE
https://xchain.io/tx/d432a6d5603b4a7cca0568f80fe2603051493e96133c32b18dfcee9728a965c9
CLOLVIB
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that interesting, I cant even send to any other addy only from my 1 huge wallet... :D other addys work fine, but... :D strange...
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Here is an experienced frontend and smart contract engineer looking for ongoing projects now.
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strange.. would love to hear your process... might have to be an issue filed in the FW github - feel free to explain it in the FW chat and i can write up an issue in the github for ya
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Ok, thanks, will check later again
- 04 May 2024 (1 messages)
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- 05 May 2024 (32 messages)
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Lmfaoo
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Got them all roundy this morning thanks to Binance
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Binance (@binance) on X
Let's talk Bitcoin Stamps. What are they and how do they work? Your answers lie here ⤵️ https://t.co/z1GoLYrtWq
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This got them all triggered
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"Xcp, I think, "the counterparty token" "
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Please dear devs, dont attach assets to utxos. 🙏🙏
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Was this? Are you triyung to hack my phone?
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lol
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is it a link?
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fuck
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No, but I once heard of a guy who got hacked with an image.
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yes i guess its possible
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but no
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not trying to havk anyone
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just sharing a pickleslice
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Ohhh is a pickle
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yes
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Rare Pickles
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I like videos of cats jump scaring at pickles
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same
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this guy :)
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He has cerebral diarrhea he just speak shit
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I just got the first buyer 😁😁 of bytedust.....
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It's little but it's good to see that someone is interested in what we are doing.
- 06 May 2024 (26 messages)
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Counterparty White Paper
https://krellenstein.com/adam/get/counterparty-whitepaper_2024-03-29.pdf
For the TLDR crowd (most of you?), here are some goodies I found in the "Future Development" section.
1. Deeper Integration with BTC
".....Counterparty will be able to provide seamless integration with the Bitcoin token: Counterparty assets will be able to be attached directly to UTXOs, allowing for them to be
held and transfered using standard Bitcoin wallet software."
" this upgrade will allow for trustless, atomic swaps between native Counterparty assets and BTC, such as Ordinals has. Indeed, it will be possible to trade Ordinals assets for Counterparty
assets as well."
2. Implementation of a General-Purpose Virtual Machine
"The Counterparty smart contracts language will address these limitations of existing systems, so as to bring general-purpose computation to the Bitcoin blockchain, and without the use of a sidechain. Naturally, XCP will serve as the gas token for computation and storage using this virtual machine, and fees will be dynamic based on network load." -
be on the watch out for @Edemilsonolive7, he's trying to do scam XCP buys with a fake escrow phishing link
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hi guys i have a 4090gpu how much cions can i mining for a day ?
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Counterparty has no GPU mining
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only the asic can mining?
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Counterparty has no mining
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you can use your 4090 to contribute GPU compute to the BasedAI Cyan test net in the next few weeks probably... that's why I suggested @PepeCoins
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Is there any reward?
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Yes there will be Based token rewards once their new main net goes live.
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Shaban Shaame (@shaban_shaame) on X
✨The Bright future of Counterparty 2.0 I see a future where the creation of digital tokens, unique digital collectibles, and decentralized applications is as straightforward as launching a website. This empowerment will lead to a surge in creativity and entrepreneurship,…
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What do you mean by the protocol might be too much?
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what exchanges can you currently buy XCP on atm?
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What the core team is doing is complex and you don't find devs for that easily
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Hey everyone! I hope you’re all well. I wasn’t wondering if someone could help me get a counterparty address? Thanks!
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Xcp.ninja now supports okx, unisat, leather
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Limited to Dispenser buying I think.
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More functions on stamped.ninja for minting
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I remembered I have a freewallet. Is the Bitcoin address the same as Counterparty? To me this sounds right but I just wanna make sure
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I’m green to interacting on counterparty
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Yes. CounterParty uses your btc address
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Ok thanks! I’ll stick with freewallet
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There is already an open source libre explorer: https://github.com/CNTRPRTY/xcpdev-genesisGitHub - CNTRPRTY/xcpdev-genesis: Open Counterparty Bitcoin Data Explorer - DIY Node
Open Counterparty Bitcoin Data Explorer - DIY Node - CNTRPRTY/xcpdev-genesis
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Dankest, LLC (@Dankestllc) on X
Today we are thrilled to announce the acquisition of XChain properties, including logo, https://t.co/rbbu12ddZL website, codebase, and pending trademark. These properties will be used to develop our new multi-chain XChain Platform. https://t.co/6yZ2jdcU77 #XChainPlatform #BTNS
- 07 May 2024 (141 messages)
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what is best wallet rn for xcp?
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What does this mean for counterparty?
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It will still have a block explorer and FreeWallet… same as before… only differences that the explorer URL will be tokenscan.io instead of xchain.io👍🏻
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hopefully, innovation and user-base grow
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What is the marketplace to buy or sell?
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Currently is only on dex-trade com
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Okay… thanks
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There's also an exchange only available in Japan
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Otherwise you can use dispensers
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Thank you for the explanation 🧡
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who is this person?
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Is that sarcasm? Lol or honest question
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Casey, Ordinals/Runes founder
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Funny watching it on repeat
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lol ah, a founder shilling his own project at the expense of another, super surprising...
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Twitter was fun. Teasing Casey and Leondias, Leo is Casey's marketing and spaces dev dude
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Got them all hurting. Especially after Binance wrote about Bitcoin Stamps
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They doing their best not to even bring up CounterParty or stamps during their X Spaces.
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Gotcha. I am very glad that Bitcoiners found a VC-friendly way to rebrand colored coins, but yeah semi-coherent whining by someone who's recycling a ten year old idea isn't super interesting.
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He's probably paid to fud. And ignore CounterParty. Not In the best interest of Ordinals if CounterParty picks up traction,
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@teysol can you please debate him?
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Free advertising from my perspective
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Get @teysol onto the Ordinals show with Trevor Owen and let the discussion between big brains go
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Trevor Owen's always welcomes, would be a super easy audience to entertain
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😀
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Sir, It’s colored coins with jpegs. Completely different
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Definitely should make this happen
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Be more fun to drop 2.0 and make Runes irrelevant
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2.0 isn't some discrete event, but rather the incremental improvements which have been ongoing.
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Yes it is. It’s 2.0.
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Oh. TIL.
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I was on The Ordinals Show yesterday talking about Counterparty
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1H20M in I talk about CCSATOSHI, Counterparty, and STAMPS
https://x.com/LeonidasNFT/status/1787490552444862941Leonidas (@LeonidasNFT) on Xhttps://t.co/VNIqoxM992
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I was chatting with Leo before, and he would like to have Counterparty devs come on and talk about PSBT once it’s live
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Just listened. Leo made a very important (and pretty obvious point) near the end: until users can just click a button in xverse or unisat, Counterparty will continue to stay under the radar. Expecting users to jump through the amount of hoops necessary to interact with Counterparty (today) is a non-starter. The good news is that the roadmap looks promising and hopefully friction will be reduced soon.
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was eagerly waiting to hear faux mentioned but no luck
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still 18m left 🤞
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Narrow is the path. Natural selection process can’t be disturbed quite yet
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Indeed, I think the amount of adoption Counterparty has *in spite of* the number and severity of the UX issues is really a testament to the community.
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The Stamp Wallet proves it can be. Select stamp, quantity, address, send
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Will be cool when more Assets get support
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It's interesting they see Ordinals as less friction, with the amount of lost funds
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Stamp wallet is great but just the very idea of having to install yet another wallet is a lot of friction for users.
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that muscular/crying doge meme comes to mind to compare 2014 to 2024 UX, but I hear you.
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I think liquidity trumps all and users are willing to put up with a lot more if they see a profit incentive
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Casino
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I know I might loose. But I could win
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bytedust already use Okx as wallet provider, the main asset rewards the user with the collected fees on atomic swaps.
Soon we have atomic swaps between btc and xcp assets, and xcp/multichains. (Avalaible on bytesdust.com)
3D collections on alphadust.io.ñ and zkdust use zkproof to reward users based on the 3D assets.
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Psbt are already implemented on bytedust.com
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This is cool and Stamp marketplaces do something similar with trusted-PSBT. I think the holy grail, tho, is trustless PSBT similar to how Ordinals can be traded on DEXes
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Attaching assets to UTXOs
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For that the assets should be attached to utxos. but wouldn't that turn CP into runes?
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All the tooling is Ordinals-based at this point so you almost need to follow that approach to be integrated into marketplaces
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We have discovered a way to do trustless utxos-based atomic swaps, using combined osbts and join utxos techniques.
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Interesting… that’s going over my head, but maybe you can dumb it down.
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A user can safely exchange BTC for XCP.
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No custodial risk?
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if any of the input tx tries to double spend. the tx fails.
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Not custodial risk, there is only one coordinator who makes sure to combine the utxos, so fewer steps are required to complete a psbts-atomic-swap.
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Not custodial but coordinator
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Different choice of word. But doesn't it achieve same?
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A coordinator is in charge of finding the ask/bid and validates that the conditions of the psbt meet the minimum requirements to be considered "trustless" The coordinator also makes sure that no user tries to frontrun. the coordinator does not modify the tx or add or remove signatures.
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The only thing we charge is a maker/taker fee percentage. We make sure that in the psbt there is an output that we call "atomic fee", something standard in most DEXs.
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How many on chain txs does it take?
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but that fee will not go entirely to us. Bytedust holders will be able to burn BYTEDUST to obtain their equivalent share of the collected fees.
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1 TX.
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This way we ensure that if any input is spent in the psbt, the transaction fails.
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99% not frontrun scams.
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We are legally ensuring that a company that is the "custodian of the collected fee" is legally obligated to pay BYTEDUST holders when they burn their coins.
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Only problem, it will not be available for the United States users.
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So Bytedust isn't the fees for the platform? It's a token that represents instead?
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Not...
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Im forking counterparty
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Bytedust is just a way to reward to the holders for trusting on the project
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I have been working on CP projects since 2022, I have not made as much noise because everything was under construction and raising funds... also some previous partners did not align with my principles, but now that I have projects ready to go out on CP I am making more noise. I don't know if I should call it spam... I'm dyslexic anyway......
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Can you explain how?
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I tried at the end of 2023 but my engineers were not able to get a node up.... so I waited until Adam came back and fixed the mess that was there.
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there is documentation. That explains the step, I just don't want to expos the documentation to light until the dex is available on the tesnet.
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I hope you found a way and I am wrong, but I don’t think it’s possible to do this deterministically in any less than 2 transactions
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The coordinator has requirements to use the dex, one of them is the address that makes the ask. just have 1 utxo. also for the address that makes the bid. You cannot do an rbf(or paud high few) because if you paid higher fee the (atomic psbt) tx will fail, because the input has been spent.
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But the input hasn’t been spent until the tx is mined?
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As an example, I had a tx without rbf stuck at a low fee because of the recent surge in activity, so I created new different tx using the same utxo and submitted it to a mempool that didn’t have my low fee tx in it
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My new tx was mined and my funds were freed up
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The tx will fail i that case
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My engineers have cool docs with nice graphics explaining that, just waiting to finish some ux bugs to go on testnet
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But i can explain it in a math way.
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Kk will wait for the docs.
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Regardless, from the explanation I think that as a malicious user I could submit my PSBT, generate (but not broadcast) a send from another wallet to my purchasing wallet then use that new utxo to generate a send to move the xcp asset at a higher fee. And when I see your tx hit the mempool submit my txs that pay a higher fee
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But I hope I’m wrong. Would love to see finality in 1 tx
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If you add outputs or inputs to a psbt you need to sign the psbt again.
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I wouldn’t be adding anything to the psbt, I would be making another one that has a cp send op return and ensuring it’s fee is higher
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It will fail because you are only using one input. and if you do a frontrunr the tx will fail because you are using that only input you have.....
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you still have the input until the tx is committed to the log.
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If you ensure the wallet in question only has one input that helps and then forces tje attack to require two txs, fund the purchasing wallet with another utxo then use that utxo to move the asset
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And those txs would need to be submitted with a higher fee after the coordinator tx hits the mempool
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AddressAsk = (1utxo)
AddressBid = (1utxo)
Cashback = utxoamount - fee
OutpubBidSend =xcp
PsbtA = (AdressaskUtxo, outputBidSend, Cashback)
OuputAskSend = BTc
PSBTb = (AddressBidUtxo, outputAskSend, cashback)
Combine PBTs = (PsbtA, PsbtB)
Case 1 paid higher fee.
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Take note pepe lover
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EZ
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case 1, you need to use the only utxo you have but if you use it the combined psbt fails
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Yes, but as I said above that will kill the metaprotocols that use utxos, ordinals runes. Etc...
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bytesdust plans to have 2 addresses
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The coordinator only makes sure that the tx complies with those rules....
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for the BYTEDUST burning process to get the fee collected you do the same. , the only thing that changes is that in this case the outputBidSend is a burning address.
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i made this card In honor to all the great work of Jdog
https://xchain.io/tx/a98386a46d01cc23206c71974d137cb1b787f6a5fcf6fd2ceb5d649b025d2c26 -
I think we found the holy grail of trustless swaps.
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I think that having CP be attached to utxos is just forking the OP_Return just for the hype of the new protocols.
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I agree. Being reactionary shouldn’t be the Counterparty way, we have the Lindy effect on our side.
CP users love it being address based. “Addys”.
And the UX will be affected because now assets will be either UTXO based or address based. Not sure how complex or if is even possible to make the transition between them seamless.
But… having said all this, if the implementation can be done in a way that does not over-complicate the current codebase, and the address based assets option stays “intact”, then I won’t mind it being added.
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I think that having assets attched to utxos will not be ready in the next 5-6 months, implementing that change at least requires 1 year planning...
1. CP is a protocol with a history of high value assets, and maintaining the integrity of those assets is prioritized above all.....
2. Attchinf utxos properly requires testing, documenting the cips that wil implemented, analyzing possible failures, where it could break, and giving a considerable margin of time to projects, wallet providers and others that update the technology.
3. explain very well why and how the utxos are going to be used within the dispensers, the dex, the bets, etc...
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1. Yes, maintaining the integrity of the current network is paramount. However, that doesn't mean that the network can't change and even get better... obviously. The slow, fitful development over the past eight years was a consequence of a lack of effort invested, not the difficulty of the task at hand.
2. The CIP process is, unfortunately, a bureaucratic joke. Of the 33 CIPs listed in the official repo (https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips), only *2* were ever "accepted", and neither of those had anything to do with actualy software development 🙄. There will be a formal design proposal for all significant protocol changes going forward of course, and there will plenty of opportunity for the community to participate, but it will _not_ take a year to write lol. If anyone has anything concrete to add to the discussion, there's a place to contribute here for the time-being: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/discussions/134
3. If you're worried about compatibility with dispensers, bets, etc., then you need to review the actual design suggested. None of that will be an issue.
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It's not fud bro, it's just a realistic perspective. protocol changes like this in other blockchains are planned with a lot of time. and i know you've been doing a lot of work now improving the technology, and the last thing we need is for something to break. i'm a dev too, and also an entrepreneur, so my opinions on those changes include what i believe from a business standpoint, and as a dev i understand that adapting to new protocol is important, and i know these things require a lot of research.
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all due respect, "as a dev" you should know that this makes zero technical sense
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Bruce Fenton (@brucefenton)
Almost *nine* years ago Overstock issued the first legally compliant securities token in the USA. Why don’t we now have thousands trading in a vibrant market with the US leading the world? For same reason so many other things are broken: anti market tyranny & regulation.
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preparing my projects for changes and making them compatible with CP costs money, at least 3 frontend engineers cost me 4500€ each one per month in which at least 1 month they will take to understand what update is planned and at least 2 months to complete and test the new changes, my mobile engineers cost around 3000€ per month in which they will take more time to handle the changes, and to that we add the risk that some of them can be wrong or there is no good documentation about the new changes. That's why we need time to understand what is planned, and the first thing we will go to are the CIPs to study how those changes have been implemented.
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and as an entrepreneur I try to reduce those risks to a minimum.
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all significant protocol changes will be carefully documented, as has been the standard practice over the past few months (see the docs for the v2 API! https://docs.counterparty.io/docs/advanced/api-v2/node-api/)API v2 | Counterparty
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I'm taking Counterparty private at $420
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🤝
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there is gonna be a lot of chobani at the counterpartycash meetups
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free chobani for all attendees
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Should try to reduce those costs to $0
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How so, ser?
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Are you a programmer also?
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I build blockchain tech since 2013.....
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Now I only spend about 2 or 3 hours a day coding.
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But I think I spend more time writing on this telegram and collecting memes, than having a life
- 08 May 2024 (55 messages)
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Many people, especially the youth, are getting sucked into the MATRIX.
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New Release! Counterparty v10.1.2 out, with the v2 API available with the /v2/ prefix and everything fully backwards-compatible. (Have not pushed it to api.counterparty.io yet, however.) Full release notes are available on GitHub: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/releases/tag/v10.1.2
Attention The _next_ release (v10.2.0) is going to be a protocol change (the first this year), and a mandatory upgrade, necessary for us to kill the AddrIndexRs dependency which makes deployment much harder and is the source of a *lot* of bugs. We're going to _try_ to backport the change to the v9.x.y branch, simply because we value not breaking backwards-compatibility wherever possible, but really no one should still be on that branch because there are multiple known consensus bugs in it (!) If we are able to backport the changes, this will be the last time—the codebases will have diverged too far to do so safely in the future.Release v10.1.2 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-coreRelease Notes - Counterparty Core v10.1.2 (2024-05-08) This version of Counterparty Core marks the release of API v2, a new RESTful API—see the official project documentation. The new API is availa...
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Will Counterparty join the Bitcoin L2 race? 👀
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A lot of new Bitcoin "L2" are not really the L2s. L2 is just the general name for networks are getting built inside the Bitcoin's orbit.
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Counterparty could become a big player.
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A multisig is an L2 these days.
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true
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Imo L2 means the Blockchain is different from the L1
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There are many "Bitcoin L2" that use ETH as the gas fee. That's funny, xd.
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that's the funny part about L2s :D
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Does anyone know off the top of their head how many bytes of data can be stored in a cp broadcast?
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Using op-return
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counterparty-core/counterparty-core/counterpartycore/lib/messages/broadcast.py at master · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core
Counterparty Protocol Reference Implementation. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core development by creating an account on GitHub.
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So no chance of me storing a Bitcoin signature in there eh
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I need the raw signature on chain so I can recreate a PSBT from the other data as an… an insurance policy
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Can just store it in a standard op return I suppose, was hoping to make it easy to find by using the cp api :-p
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Optimize On-Chain Data Storage · Issue #1375 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/121686/data-op-drop-vs-op-return/121687#121687
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LFG you guys are killing it
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Hello @jdogresorg Your actual spread is 42%, please reduce it up to 2%. Thanks
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Thank you for this info… I will pass it on to the community and hope that they place orders
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https://xchain.io/tx/a98386a46d01cc23206c71974d137cb1b787f6a5fcf6fd2ceb5d649b025d2c26 -
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Not sure it’s related but there is some type of migration happening according to Jeremy Johnson CEO of Dankest, LLC.
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isn't jeremy jdog? so he's acquiring his own company with another company he owns?
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xD
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Someone known about something similar to XChain?
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dankset dot io
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xcp.ninja
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- 09 May 2024 (4 messages)
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Looks, my addy is staggered because there's a tx with a low fee still on the maintenance)
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That's pretty cool, but there's no one who have API?
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https://www.xcp.dev/api
Note that not all calls are documented. But you can see what the website uses by inspecting the network requests by the browser.
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- 10 May 2024 (559 messages)
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Max broadcast text in opreturn somewhere around 54 yes. I don't remember exactly.
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Hasn't been a bet in 7 years 😆
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Makes me wonder if Augur has been used in the last 7 years
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how often do yall use non-counterparty wallets (such as Electrum) or old versions of wallets (such as Freewallet) to *buy* from a dispenser?
if so, might wanna look at this future protocol change:
https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/1670Make `dispense` a Normal Counterparty Transaction · Issue #1670 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-coreNo longer allow a normal Bitcoin transaction to trigger a dispense; require the CNTRPRTY prefix. This will prevent users from using a vanilla Bitcoin wallet to acquire Counterparty assets, but such...
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@pork_chop77 @subterranean1 @g0barry @robotlovecoffee thoughts?
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The oracles are probably the reason for that if I remember my docs correctly.
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never. no one does except for spammers who created dispensers on exchange addresses as they knew it would cause masses of dispense spam. it is obviously destroying performance too
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that isnt even allowed with current protocol. this is for buyers using other wallets like Electrum (that offer better features for UTXO's, RBF and CPFP) in the event of a mempool spike on large purchases
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counterparty wallets need to simply step up feature wise. stamped ninja has cpfp for example
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that is probably the solution, but wish we had it now and before this change happens imo
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It impacts more than simply filling a dispenser. It also impacts buying from a dispenser.
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exactly
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Yes, you will have to use a Counterparty wallet for a Counterparty transaction.
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One thing I'm not clear about: how will the CP wallet know that its sending to a dispenser in order to set the CP header?
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So to buy or sell XCP have to have CP wallet?
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Freewallet is a Counterparty wallet
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A new version of Freewallet will have to be released and any user that is using an older version will not be able to initiate buys with dispensers using the dispensers tab (which is just simply a BTC send)
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To be clear: for any mandatory upgrade users have to update, or else you split the network...
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what if users simply use an older version without knowing? .... say for instance Bobby Zoo or Jason Williams buy using v0.9.29 of FW without knowing there was a change
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that literally applies to any mandatory upgrade
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I usually just copy paste the dispenser address into send funds tab. That sounds like it will still work then?
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nope
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like how freewallet has the new version popup, it can simple have a non-closable pop up, saying an upgrade is required
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we will also have to warn users who commonly use Electrum
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after the release happens there will be a month before the change is activated.
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So without the FreeWallet upgrade there will be no way to dispense or get from dispensers XCP, Pepe's?
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all wallets will have to be upgraded
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all of these https://www.counterparty.io/wallets
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Yes but that is missing the point. If there is a mandatory upgrade and people don't upgrade they are no longer using the same network as those who do.
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this is a feature of *any* mandatory upgrade. this one is just more user-facing (somehow!) than others.
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if someone is using an older version and tried to connect to the counterparty API, will that transaction be allowed to be broadcasted?....
other than a popup in the wallet - is there any other barrier or warning that could be implemented?
i know for things like orders and token creation this would make some sort of sense, but because Dispenses are BTC transactions without extra OP_RETURN data.... these dispenses on "non-upgraded" wallets would result in loss of funds (if the dispenser creator didnt give it back) -
if its good for the codebase and xcp wallets upgrade (which most of us use anyway) I get it will be fine. and most likely for the better.... just something that community will have to be extra extra aware of. We are very very used to having a simple btc tx initiate buys from dispensers (and its why coinbase and other centralized wallets hold xcp tokens... people mistakenly dispense their own tokens because of it)
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I understand that Counterparty development has been extremely slow for a long time, but the reaction that I would expect from people is "yay! let's make it better! finally!" rather than "omg wallet devs might have to release a single patch with like a month's notice 🙀"
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I think there is excitement for this release. But also just a general concern for those less technically savvy or clued in on protocol changes. Some education and outreach to be done.
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this small change will effect alot of people if wallet devs dont do this mandatory upgrade popup ^ .... and again, im not against fixing the codebase or making things better finally... Rugspensers has been in discussion for a very long time with various things presented by JPJA and other devs on how to 'fix it' in various posts on the XCP forums and Github... im not against this fix... im just saying if not handled correctly, unaware users could lose funds - especially in the case of advanced users preferring to use Electrum for buying from Dispensers
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there are two concerns, right?
1. wallet devs won't upgrade to v10.2.0 before the change activates
2. users won't know that they are no longer able to trigger a dispenser from a non-Counterparty wallet
WRT (1) well... I share Adam's feelings. For (2): *everyone in this channel can help ensure that doesn't happen* -
it would be nice for us to have an xcp wallet with the nice features of Electrum before this change happens, but if it has to be done, education is key. Like informing users on twitter and anywhere else they stay in touch.... and bright RED and SCARY popups for users
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this is the issue 👆 the wallet situtation with Counterparty is such that people ends up using Electrum (which itself—let's be clear—totally sucks) despite the fact that Electrum _doesn't support Counterparty at all_
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and then the narrative is "omg isn't it so nice that the best Counterparty wallet is a Bitcoin wallet that looks like this" 🙈
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what i am saying is that despite having these scary popups in FW, user click past them all the time... a "mandatory upgrade" has never been implemented in FW before.... it could look very scary for OG's.... it would be very new to them.... they are usually invited to upgrade as it fixes bugs... theyve never been locked out of using the old versions before
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it is simply because we can really really control our tx's and speed them up manually if need be
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any new feature is a mandatory upgrade
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to be clear, there's absolutely no reason that a Counterparty wallet couldn't do that as well
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i would LOVE that
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" it could look very scary for OG's.... it would be very new to them.... they are usually invited to upgrade as it fixes bugs... theyve never been locked out of using the old versions before"
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yea, they have
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this just isn't how Counterparty works
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any forwards-incompatible upgrade is mandatory
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ibid
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every mandatory upgrade can result in loss of funds.
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and there have been plenty of mandatory upgrades in Counterparty's history
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i get that
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user seeing this in FW hasnt happened before in my experience
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Just make it so you can't navigate past it. I don't think there will be any complaints
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... 2 out of 3 releases in 2023
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if it's indeed the case that a significant number of users really do use e.g. Electrum to trigger dispensers, then sadly yes, that makes it much harder to make such a simple upgrade :/
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This is a big protocol change just for the node runners sake, and once a node is caught up, new tx’s don’t come flying in too fast to handle imo.
The dispenser creation process could be modified instead of the buying process/tx and keep the buying process/tx the same and achieve the desired outcome of lightening the load of the node.
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Anyone have a sense of the cp community outside of this chat? For instance, Casa Tookan is a CP wallet advertised on the SoG website. Never used it, but there might be some isolated communities that require outreach about this upgrade
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The counterparty voluntary customer service department is the best in the industry.
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I don't believe Casa Tookan has dispenser functionality
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Dispenser “functionality” can simply mean being able to send bitcoin. Which might be something users have been socialized to do. Same with Freewallet mobile.
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which why CIP 21 was so interesting and brought alot of volume back to xcp assets during 2021-2022 (despite it being live long before then)
https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/blob/master/cip-0021.mdcips/cip-0021.md at master · CounterpartyXCP/cipsCounterparty Improvement Proposals. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/cips development by creating an account on GitHub.
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No one is advocating not doing it
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Please reread my comment.
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Take freewallet mobile. From my understanding that wallet will never see an upgrade. Many users see that as a CP wallet and have successfully used it with dispensers for years
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when in reality it is a very good upgrade that fixed things
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So you would have to be using a non counterparty wallet and not be paying attention to any announcements or chats
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Xchain (and other explorers) as well. That’s what the user is encountering and where the messaging would need to be
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this too
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Freewallet desktop+mobile are CP wallets. Not sure what the plans are
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in my opinion its not low - and even if it was 5% - when there are 500 dispenses in a day thats 25 possible lost btc txs
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lol yeah rugspensers are super reliable as it is ;)
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Ok but last freewallet mobile update was March 2019 before Dispensers even a thing. Who is using that?
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most FW users are on mobile
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No idea what the usage stats are. But seems like it would be the natural choice of someone running the desktop client.
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@davesta it's unclear what you're advocating for other than broad communication of the upgrade and for wallets to upgrade
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That doesn’t mean they were good.
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every mandatory upgrade can fork the network, and result in loss of funds. I don't know what else to say.
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I think we just want to prevent that and having a discussion to understand all the edge cases is good. No one is advocating not to proceed (at least I’m not)
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this might take a while.
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someone might always not upgrade somewhere. there is an actual balance to be struck
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if you don't think a month from release to activation is sufficient time, then propose an alternative.
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you're begging the question: what's "ample"?
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okay.
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Musk would push the upgrade next week and say fuckem
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I think it’s pretty obvious there is one explorer and one wallet that handles most of the dispenser activity and it’s really about convincing that one particular dev.
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Making the transaction larger (including cp data) also bloats the block and increases tx fees, only so that xcp node operators can compute a certain way. Not the best situation for the blockchain or users. Not a very fiducial implementation.
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true.
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lol this is how Counterparty works
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"fiducial" or not
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I have no idea what you mean but I promise we'll try
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Monya too... I know that is still used in the Japanese communities
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Is that MonaCoin? That also raises an interesting point: will forks like DogeParty upgrade? Not really our concern… just curious
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You don’t need to convince us
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We’re just chattering… this is really about the actual devs and what they decide to do
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oh, and implementing this change would also fix *this* way that users can currently lose their funds with dispensers
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The hard close. We know what mandatory means.
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(also, if you're in favor of the current proposal, please comment / 👍 on the GitHub issue https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/1670 🙏)Make `dispense` a Normal Counterparty Transaction · Issue #1670 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core
No longer allow a normal Bitcoin transaction to trigger a dispense; require the CNTRPRTY prefix. This will prevent users from using a vanilla Bitcoin wallet to acquire Counterparty assets, but such...
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Will post on the proposal, but this was needed 👍. "Just sending some bitcoin" is great but result in a lot of failures, like using a non-compatible wallet, or sending BTC to your own wallet and triggering a dispenser by error
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Finally we stopping accidentally filling Coinbase's PEPECASH bag?
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I feel like huge things are in the making right now
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I didn't realize all the fun ways people lose money with dispensers as it is...
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This is a great point
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I imagine that with this prefix, we could also think about a better version were you can have multiple dispensers on 1 address? (and choose which dispenser to trigger)
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Absolutely. This would be *trivial*.
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This would improve the use of dispensers by 1000% 🔥
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if you're excited about that, please say so on the GitHub issue (https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/1670)
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The ONLY way? How about introducing this as a new feature and giving it a different name, like ‘Vend’ without deprecating the dispenser functionality.
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then that wouldn't be supporting multiple dispensers lol
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this isn't a discussion about deprecating dispensers. Please don't FUD.
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you consistently misunderstand how Counterparty works. You're not being gaslit.
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The "principal" in question is making Counterparty transactions... Counterparty transactions.
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the CIP for dispensers doesn't specify that there won't be a prefix for dispensers. since the prefix is how Counterparty transactions are identified, then, its absence should be considered a bug. And the consequences of this bug are several and serious. That this bug has been leveraged by users is a real consideration but the thesis is that it's outweighed by the benefits of fixing it.
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Implementing a new feature ("Vend") that wouldn't have this bug *would also require a mandatory upgrade*.
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It would only be mandatory to use the new feature, so not mandatory. But whatever, no skin off my back.
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You should leave you offer nothing
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that's not what mandatory means in this case...
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if there is a mandatory upgrade then whose who don't upgrade *will not be on the same network as those who do*
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that doesn't mean anything
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The Counterparty network isn't the Bitcoin network. If it were then Counterparty wouldn't exist...
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Again, you just don't understand how Counterparty works. That's fine! But I don't know why you insist that you're right.
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Is there a consideration to call the feature a new name and perform a soft depreciation of dispensers wherein no new ones can be created at activation?
Then at another future block all open dispensers are closed and returned to their origin address?