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  • 01 May 2024 (41 messages)
  • @rarepepetrader #234941 01:58 AM, 01 May 2024
    https://twitter.com/rarepepenews/status/1785488706050371634

    here's a question I have just posed to the NFT archaeology community...
    RarePepeNews (@rarepepenews) on X

    Open question to the #NFT archaeologists Is NUMERAIAI from the 2017 #Memorychain collection 10,000 issuance the earliest NFT with "Artificial Intelligence" on the artwork? #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #digitalart #Counterparty https://t.co/UyuoptjrrJ

  • @dnoriegas ↶ Reply to #234940 #234942 06:14 AM, 01 May 2024
    Wow 🤩 thanks a lot, I got my btc back I really appreciate it. 🤗🚀
  • @crypto_king35790 #234943 12:34 PM, 01 May 2024
    When will we be able to use our counter party wallets again?
  • @6370143984 #234944 12:37 PM, 01 May 2024
    we are working on it, there is no definite date yet. a protocol bug late last broke Counterwallet. that issue's been fixed but Counterblock (a Counterwallet dependency) is untenably slow.

    There may be other issues... @teysol ?
  • @teysol #234945 12:39 PM, 01 May 2024
    yeah it's just really old code that wasn't maintained, so there a bunch of minor bugs, version incompatibilities and difficulties in deployment we're running into. it's also been a lower priority than work on Counterparty Core
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #234943 #234946 01:28 PM, 01 May 2024
    There’s freewallet and Rarepepewallet.wtf, why do people want to use counterwallet?
  • @XCERXCP #234947 01:29 PM, 01 May 2024
    If I remember correctly, counterwallet had a really high minimum fee also
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #234946 #234948 02:08 PM, 01 May 2024
    Not everyone is comfortable moving seeds from one web wallet to another mostly because it’s a terrible practice.
  • @Arvik78 #234949 02:14 PM, 01 May 2024
    And rarepepe no Foss 😔
  • @teysol ↶ Reply to #234947 #234950 02:15 PM, 01 May 2024
    this sounds very much configurable...
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #234948 #234951 02:21 PM, 01 May 2024
    I get it, feel the same way. But always felt comfortable going from counterwallet to freewallet.
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #234950 #234952 02:23 PM, 01 May 2024
    I don’t remember seeing any configurations on the user side making it possible to lower the minimum fee. Could def be wrong.
  • @XCERXCP #234953 02:27 PM, 01 May 2024
    I remember logging into couterwallet for the first time and seeing my birthday as the terms and conditions date.

    I felt like it was universe calling me to CP 😂
  • @teysol ↶ Reply to #234952 #234954 02:44 PM, 01 May 2024
    I mean serverside
  • @mnlclassic ↶ Reply to #234946 #234955 05:16 PM, 01 May 2024
    You can't use half the features in those wallets. You can't disable pictures when it gets slow. You only get the pictures of certain projects
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #234955 #234956 05:25 PM, 01 May 2024
    RPW has added Stamps support which is nice. Definitely the best option.
  • @mikeinspace #234957 05:25 PM, 01 May 2024
    RPW.WTF that is.
  • @mnlclassic #234958 05:44 PM, 01 May 2024
    Pepe.wtf has always been very clunky, hopefully the cp updates remedy that
  • @Jpcryptos #234959 07:15 PM, 01 May 2024
    We are trying to solve that user experience problem, and integrating new chains, the simpler things are, the easier they are to replicate... our goal is to make CP attract the attention of the masses with the DEFI hook.
  • @Jpcryptos #234960 07:16 PM, 01 May 2024
    We have an uphill climb to gain the trust of the community.... but I think simplicity makes it easier.
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #234958 #234961 07:28 PM, 01 May 2024
    What do you mean? Seems like it’s always been great
  • @mnlclassic ↶ Reply to #234961 #234962 07:35 PM, 01 May 2024
    Perhaps it was just my devises
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #234960 #234963 07:38 PM, 01 May 2024
    We must use what we have to build good things. I have financed everything from my pocket and I think the community deserves it, at least have a secure tool where they can manage their assets.
  • @crypto_king35790 #234964 09:00 PM, 01 May 2024
    I definitely think that you deserve the help of the community I would love to help, but my bitcoin is on counterparty and I’m an older gentleman and it’s just seems easier. I’m not as smart as you guys, but I liked it before because it was easy to get into an easy to use.
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #234964 #234965 09:10 PM, 01 May 2024
    the CP community has given me a lot of love...I appreciate that.
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #234964 #234966 09:11 PM, 01 May 2024
    The fact that you have your bitcoins in counterparty makes you smarter than most bitcoiners...
  • @crypto_king35790 #234967 09:12 PM, 01 May 2024
    👍👊🫵 Good.
  • @Arvik78 #234968 09:25 PM, 01 May 2024
    What do you cats mean by Bitcoin on counterparty?
  • @Arvik78 #234969 09:25 PM, 01 May 2024
    Or in counterparty?
  • @Arvik78 #234970 09:25 PM, 01 May 2024
    Forgive if it's stupid question 🙏
  • @Niftyboss1 #234971 09:32 PM, 01 May 2024
    I think Crypto King meant counterwallet
  • @Jpcryptos #234972 09:39 PM, 01 May 2024
    lol
  • @Arvik78 #234973 09:45 PM, 01 May 2024
    Now I get it.
    Was wondering if gangster put all BTC into XCP 🪖
  • @Arvik78 #234974 09:46 PM, 01 May 2024

    photo_2024-05-01_21-46-14.jpg
  • @Arvik78 #234975 09:46 PM, 01 May 2024
    And learn 🪖

    photo_2024-05-01_21-46-40.jpg
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #234975 #234976 09:50 PM, 01 May 2024
    How so, ser
  • @Arvik78 #234977 09:57 PM, 01 May 2024
    Get out of our own way and learn. 🙏
    Referring to me really 😁

    photo_2024-05-01_21-57-17.jpg
  • @Arvik78 #234978 09:58 PM, 01 May 2024
    Sometimes I feel like I'm retarding the cause by asking questions, but figure, ask the questions do research, learn.

    Mixed with humor
  • @Arvik78 #234979 09:59 PM, 01 May 2024
    Definitely no offense meant😁
  • @Arvik78 #234980 10:01 PM, 01 May 2024
    You devs and cats in these few channels are front running the new way that energy will be stored and exchanged on earth, actual wizards. I humbled to even get to just read and learn. Can't help but ask retarded questions every so often
  • @Jpcryptos #234981 10:22 PM, 01 May 2024
    Big exchanges reacting to the barcelona event.

    photo_2024-05-01_22-22-57.jpg
  • 02 May 2024 (11 messages)
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #234962 #234984 02:29 PM, 02 May 2024
    iOS it’s very nice and clean
  • @L_vs_D #234985 02:31 PM, 02 May 2024
    When I trying to send multisend/dividends I still have a "Counterparty API communication error!" 😭

    How to get around this problem?
  • @L_vs_D #234986 02:32 PM, 02 May 2024
    Looks like the orders works fine
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #234985 #234987 06:12 PM, 02 May 2024
    https://davestaxcp.gitbook.io/freewallet.io-user-manual/troubleshooting-issues/counterparty-api-communication-error

    It has to do with your Server settings and enabling SSL to yes
    Counterparty API Communication Error! | Freewallet.io User Manual | Freewallet.io User Manual
  • @L_vs_D ↶ Reply to #234987 #234988 06:13 PM, 02 May 2024
    That was corrected a long time already)
  • @L_vs_D #234989 06:14 PM, 02 May 2024
    Will try on other device later
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #234988 #234990 06:15 PM, 02 May 2024
    review your server settings for CP Host then.... newest update (for Reset to Default) is public.xchain.io and the other option is using api.counterparty.io .... also check your CP Port too

    https://davestaxcp.gitbook.io/freewallet.io-user-manual/troubleshooting-issues/stuck-on-checking-data-encoding-fees
    Stuck on "Checking Data Encoding Fees" | Freewallet.io User Manual | Freewallet.io User Manual
  • @Gabdevs #234991 09:56 PM, 02 May 2024
    https://xchain.io/tx/b9befa76481ec13207a6f046a6a96f1d47dcdd673f619ca69496ad3d9fc5430c

    photo_2024-05-02_21-56-00.jpg
  • @hcarpach #234992 10:01 PM, 02 May 2024
    🐸 OG RarePepe dispensers open for business 🤝

    🫥 DAOPEPEHACK
    https://xchain.io/tx/8d9df3349c96d9e2bb041ca71e760de0c4f3585947d87794a42a05d7df1326cf

    🍴HARDPEPEFORK
    https://xchain.io/tx/412bbde2158d5488f3c5bfe16d5250a5c65a8db9b5e6f740eb28dec8d40676c9

    👷‍♂️PEPEMINING
    https://xchain.io/tx/19682e152a56ad9e5beced605cba201c4815fe8e011e5e992cc7dfa1a769d842

    👹RARECHAVEZ
    https://xchain.io/tx/3fd2cdc1d767397ee0b7dfd29e4ef740adf3de30a107c710644b5786db34ae33
  • @rarepepetrader ↶ Reply to #234992 #234993 11:09 PM, 02 May 2024
    Ser I’m not gonna click on each one just to find out what it is
  • @hcarpach ↶ Reply to #234993 #234994 11:20 PM, 02 May 2024
    Problem solved. My apologies, ser.
  • 03 May 2024 (12 messages)
  • @OoakosiMo #234995 12:20 AM, 03 May 2024
    PEPENEFRTITI | Series 15 Card 34 by ooakosimo
    via FAKERARES (orange rarepepe series)

    Total Supply: 48
    Holders: 16

    xcp trade order for 0.00555 btc
    https://xchain.io/tx/93880f0e5eb0fac9c30f8e84c08260aaef410680e383f023612ae677991ff357

    also made emblem vault

    PepeNefertiti_7mb.gif.mp4

  • @OoakosiMo #234996 02:05 AM, 03 May 2024
    https://xchain.io/asset/PUNKJESUS

    dispenser https://xchain.io/tx/ee24327961da9a4be267ffa6f18db5065ecd6681c7200523df297e1adaa0c8ab

    2024-05-03 10-02-32.mp4

  • @OoakosiMo #234997 02:15 AM, 03 May 2024
    3YR OLD DISPENSERS I MADE FOR MY ART IN COUNTERPARTY (REJECTED CARDS) CREATED BY OOAKOSIMO

    DONUTBRIBE
    https://xchain.io/tx/d432a6d5603b4a7cca0568f80fe2603051493e96133c32b18dfcee9728a965c9

    CLOLVIB
    https://xchain.io/tx/b2c9ef4b4eb87f4129deb811765845c6b7a127472d449d0da1c0d3b24282b6f5

    photo_2024-05-03_02-15-47.jpg
  • @OoakosiMo #234998 02:15 AM, 03 May 2024

    photo_2024-05-03_02-15-47.jpg
  • @OoakosiMo #234999 02:15 AM, 03 May 2024

    photo_2024-05-03_02-15-48.jpg
  • @OoakosiMo #235000 02:15 AM, 03 May 2024

    photo_2024-05-03_02-15-49.jpg
  • @L_vs_D ↶ Reply to #234990 #235001 11:08 AM, 03 May 2024
    🤷‍♂️
  • @L_vs_D ↶ Reply to #234990 #235002 03:04 PM, 03 May 2024
    that interesting, I cant even send to any other addy only from my 1 huge wallet... :D other addys work fine, but... :D strange...
  • @L_vs_D #235003 03:05 PM, 03 May 2024
    Will check after my vacation
  • @7056440748 #235005 10:27 PM, 03 May 2024
    Here is an experienced frontend and smart contract engineer looking for ongoing projects now.
    please let me know if you are in need of my help.
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235002 #235006 10:28 PM, 03 May 2024
    strange.. would love to hear your process... might have to be an issue filed in the FW github - feel free to explain it in the FW chat and i can write up an issue in the github for ya
  • @L_vs_D ↶ Reply to #235006 #235007 10:31 PM, 03 May 2024
    Ok, thanks, will check later again
  • 04 May 2024 (1 messages)
  • @XCERXCP #235010 04:26 PM, 04 May 2024
    LFG 🇺🇸
  • 05 May 2024 (32 messages)
  • @XCERXCP #235011 12:29 AM, 05 May 2024
    IMG_5298.MP4
  • @XCERXCP #235012 12:31 AM, 05 May 2024
    Haha it’s so bad man, it’s so shitty
  • @NorthrnSatosh ↶ Reply to #235011 #235013 12:39 AM, 05 May 2024
    Lmfaoo
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235014 12:40 AM, 05 May 2024
    Got them all roundy this morning thanks to Binance
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235015 12:40 AM, 05 May 2024
    https://twitter.com/binance/status/1786636941007471069?t=qHB6Ua7mng34a9ORYOdn0g&s=19
    Binance (@binance) on X

    Let's talk Bitcoin Stamps. What are they and how do they work? Your answers lie here ⤵️ https://t.co/z1GoLYrtWq

  • @NorthrnSatosh #235016 12:40 AM, 05 May 2024
    This got them all triggered
  • @NorthrnSatosh ↶ Reply to #235011 #235017 12:42 AM, 05 May 2024
    "Xcp, I think, "the counterparty token" "
  • @JamesMcpickle #235018 12:51 AM, 05 May 2024

    photo_2024-05-05_00-51-09.jpg
  • @Arvik78 ↶ Reply to #235011 #235021 01:03 AM, 05 May 2024

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  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235018 #235022 01:48 AM, 05 May 2024
    Please dear devs, dont attach assets to utxos. 🙏🙏
  • @JamesMcpickle #235023 01:48 AM, 05 May 2024

    photo_2024-05-05_01-48-39.jpg
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235023 #235024 01:49 AM, 05 May 2024
    Was this? Are you triyung to hack my phone?
  • @JamesMcpickle #235025 01:49 AM, 05 May 2024
    lol
  • @JamesMcpickle #235026 01:49 AM, 05 May 2024
    is it a link?
  • @JamesMcpickle #235027 01:49 AM, 05 May 2024
    fuck
  • @Jpcryptos #235028 01:50 AM, 05 May 2024
    No, but I once heard of a guy who got hacked with an image.
  • @JamesMcpickle #235029 01:50 AM, 05 May 2024
    yes i guess its possible
  • @JamesMcpickle #235030 01:51 AM, 05 May 2024
    but no
  • @JamesMcpickle #235031 01:51 AM, 05 May 2024
    not trying to havk anyone
  • @JamesMcpickle #235032 01:51 AM, 05 May 2024
    just sharing a pickleslice
  • @Jpcryptos #235033 01:52 AM, 05 May 2024
    Ohhh is a pickle
  • @JamesMcpickle #235034 01:52 AM, 05 May 2024
    yes
  • @rarepepetrader #235035 02:38 AM, 05 May 2024
    Rare Pickles
  • @rarepepetrader #235036 02:38 AM, 05 May 2024
    I like videos of cats jump scaring at pickles
  • @JamesMcpickle #235037 02:39 AM, 05 May 2024
    same
  • @rarepepetrader ↶ Reply to #235011 #235038 02:39 AM, 05 May 2024
    this guy :)
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235038 #235039 02:43 AM, 05 May 2024
    He has cerebral diarrhea he just speak shit
  • @Gabdevs #235040 02:29 PM, 05 May 2024
    https://xchain.io/tx/53f75ec4a68ec52c66ae4a52caad6b2a6751f0c8369b0c103730d4637a18a652

    document_2024-05-05_14-29-17.mp4

  • @Gabdevs #235041 02:29 PM, 05 May 2024
    https://xchain.io/tx/b9befa76481ec13207a6f046a6a96f1d47dcdd673f619ca69496ad3d9fc5430c

    photo_2024-05-05_14-29-54.jpg
  • @Arvik78 #235042 03:13 PM, 05 May 2024

    photo_2024-05-05_15-13-53.jpg
  • @Jpcryptos #235043 03:16 PM, 05 May 2024
    I just got the first buyer 😁😁 of bytedust.....
  • @Jpcryptos #235044 03:17 PM, 05 May 2024
    It's little but it's good to see that someone is interested in what we are doing.
  • 06 May 2024 (26 messages)
  • @978879797 #235045 03:35 AM, 06 May 2024
    Counterparty White Paper

    https://krellenstein.com/adam/get/counterparty-whitepaper_2024-03-29.pdf

    For the TLDR crowd (most of you?), here are some goodies I found in the "Future Development" section.

    1. Deeper Integration with BTC

    ".....Counterparty will be able to provide seamless integration with the Bitcoin token: Counterparty assets will be able to be attached directly to UTXOs, allowing for them to be
    held and transfered using standard Bitcoin wallet software."

    " this upgrade will allow for trustless, atomic swaps between native Counterparty assets and BTC, such as Ordinals has. Indeed, it will be possible to trade Ordinals assets for Counterparty
    assets as well."

    2. Implementation of a General-Purpose Virtual Machine

    "The Counterparty smart contracts language will address these limitations of existing systems, so as to bring general-purpose computation to the Bitcoin blockchain, and without the use of a sidechain. Naturally, XCP will serve as the gas token for computation and storage using this virtual machine, and fees will be dynamic based on network load."
    None
  • @rarepepetrader #235046 06:34 AM, 06 May 2024
    be on the watch out for @Edemilsonolive7, he's trying to do scam XCP buys with a fake escrow phishing link
  • @2132394353 #235047 06:51 AM, 06 May 2024
    hi guys i have a 4090gpu how much cions can i mining for a day ?
  • @rarepepetrader ↶ Reply to #235047 #235048 06:52 AM, 06 May 2024
    Counterparty has no GPU mining

    you might want to check out BasedAI by @PepeCoins
  • @2132394353 #235050 06:53 AM, 06 May 2024
    only the asic can mining?
  • @rarepepetrader ↶ Reply to #235050 #235051 06:53 AM, 06 May 2024
    Counterparty has no mining

    it was a one time Bitcoin burn event in early 2014
  • @rarepepetrader ↶ Reply to #235050 #235052 06:54 AM, 06 May 2024
    you can use your 4090 to contribute GPU compute to the BasedAI Cyan test net in the next few weeks probably... that's why I suggested @PepeCoins
  • @2132394353 ↶ Reply to #235052 #235053 06:55 AM, 06 May 2024
    Is there any reward?
  • @rarepepetrader ↶ Reply to #235053 #235060 11:48 AM, 06 May 2024
    Yes there will be Based token rewards once their new main net goes live.

    Check out research.pepecoin.io
  • @c0rnh0li0 #235062 12:37 PM, 06 May 2024
    https://x.com/shaban_shaame/status/1787455359734489550
    Shaban Shaame (@shaban_shaame) on X

    ✨The Bright future of Counterparty 2.0 I see a future where the creation of digital tokens, unique digital collectibles, and decentralized applications is as straightforward as launching a website. This empowerment will lead to a surge in creativity and entrepreneurship,…

  • @ffmad #235063 12:51 PM, 06 May 2024
    That's cool. I wonder on what they will work, the protocol might be a little too much.

    The explorer could be a good idea
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #235063 #235067 02:34 PM, 06 May 2024
    What do you mean by the protocol might be too much?
  • @XCERXCP #235068 02:35 PM, 06 May 2024
    I’m curious how and why this is happening now.
  • @thepilot_x #235069 02:53 PM, 06 May 2024
    what exchanges can you currently buy XCP on atm?
  • @ffmad ↶ Reply to #235067 #235070 02:59 PM, 06 May 2024
    What the core team is doing is complex and you don't find devs for that easily
  • @squeezetaxes #235071 05:53 PM, 06 May 2024
    Hey everyone! I hope you’re all well. I wasn’t wondering if someone could help me get a counterparty address? Thanks!
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235072 05:59 PM, 06 May 2024
    Xcp.ninja now supports okx, unisat, leather
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235073 06:00 PM, 06 May 2024
    Limited to Dispenser buying I think.
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235074 06:01 PM, 06 May 2024
    More functions on stamped.ninja for minting
  • @squeezetaxes #235075 06:02 PM, 06 May 2024
    I remembered I have a freewallet. Is the Bitcoin address the same as Counterparty? To me this sounds right but I just wanna make sure
  • @squeezetaxes #235076 06:02 PM, 06 May 2024
    I’m green to interacting on counterparty
  • @NorthrnSatosh ↶ Reply to #235075 #235077 06:05 PM, 06 May 2024
    Yes. CounterParty uses your btc address
  • @squeezetaxes ↶ Reply to #235077 #235078 06:13 PM, 06 May 2024
    Ok thanks! I’ll stick with freewallet
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235072 #235079 06:41 PM, 06 May 2024
    👍
  • @uanbtc ↶ Reply to #235063 #235081 08:43 PM, 06 May 2024
    There is already an open source libre explorer: https://github.com/CNTRPRTY/xcpdev-genesis
    GitHub - CNTRPRTY/xcpdev-genesis: Open Counterparty Bitcoin Data Explorer - DIY Node

    Open Counterparty Bitcoin Data Explorer - DIY Node - CNTRPRTY/xcpdev-genesis

  • @ChiefSamyaza #235083 11:37 PM, 06 May 2024
    https://twitter.com/Dankestllc/status/1787625472387645468
    Dankest, LLC (@Dankestllc) on X

    Today we are thrilled to announce the acquisition of XChain properties, including logo, https://t.co/rbbu12ddZL website, codebase, and pending trademark. These properties will be used to develop our new multi-chain XChain Platform. https://t.co/6yZ2jdcU77 #XChainPlatform #BTNS

  • 07 May 2024 (141 messages)
  • @Arvik78 #235085 01:09 AM, 07 May 2024
    sticker (10).webp
  • @ifyoubuildit #235086 01:20 AM, 07 May 2024
    what is best wallet rn for xcp?
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235086 #235087 01:26 AM, 07 May 2024
    most people use Freewallet.io

    https://www.counterparty.io/wallets
  • @JamesMcpickle #235088 01:27 AM, 07 May 2024
    sticker (10).webp
  • @978879797 ↶ Reply to #235083 #235091 05:40 AM, 07 May 2024
    What does this mean for counterparty?
  • @ChiefSamyaza #235093 06:16 AM, 07 May 2024
    It will still have a block explorer and FreeWallet… same as before… only differences that the explorer URL will be tokenscan.io instead of xchain.io👍🏻
  • @santiagoitzcoatl ↶ Reply to #235091 #235094 06:20 AM, 07 May 2024
    hopefully, innovation and user-base grow
  • @pepellionaire #235095 06:35 AM, 07 May 2024
    What is the marketplace to buy or sell?
  • @mnlclassic ↶ Reply to #235095 #235097 06:43 AM, 07 May 2024
    Currently is only on dex-trade com
  • @mnlclassic ↶ Reply to #235069 #235098 06:43 AM, 07 May 2024
    ^
  • @pepellionaire #235099 06:44 AM, 07 May 2024
    Okay… thanks
  • @mnlclassic #235100 06:44 AM, 07 May 2024
    There's also an exchange only available in Japan
  • @mnlclassic #235101 06:44 AM, 07 May 2024
    Otherwise you can use dispensers
  • @pepellionaire #235103 06:54 AM, 07 May 2024
    Thank you for the explanation 🧡
  • @6370143984 ↶ Reply to #235011 #235105 12:59 PM, 07 May 2024
    who is this person?
  • @NorthrnSatosh ↶ Reply to #235105 #235106 01:06 PM, 07 May 2024
    Is that sarcasm? Lol or honest question
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235107 01:06 PM, 07 May 2024
    Casey, Ordinals/Runes founder
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235108 01:06 PM, 07 May 2024
    Funny watching it on repeat
  • @6370143984 #235109 01:08 PM, 07 May 2024
    lol ah, a founder shilling his own project at the expense of another, super surprising...
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235110 01:10 PM, 07 May 2024
    Twitter was fun. Teasing Casey and Leondias, Leo is Casey's marketing and spaces dev dude
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235111 01:10 PM, 07 May 2024
    Got them all hurting. Especially after Binance wrote about Bitcoin Stamps
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235112 01:11 PM, 07 May 2024
    They doing their best not to even bring up CounterParty or stamps during their X Spaces.
  • @6370143984 #235113 01:11 PM, 07 May 2024
    Gotcha. I am very glad that Bitcoiners found a VC-friendly way to rebrand colored coins, but yeah semi-coherent whining by someone who's recycling a ten year old idea isn't super interesting.
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235114 01:13 PM, 07 May 2024
    He's probably paid to fud. And ignore CounterParty. Not In the best interest of Ordinals if CounterParty picks up traction,
  • @6370143984 #235115 01:13 PM, 07 May 2024
    @teysol can you please debate him?
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235116 01:14 PM, 07 May 2024
    Free advertising from my perspective
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235117 01:15 PM, 07 May 2024
    Get @teysol onto the Ordinals show with Trevor Owen and let the discussion between big brains go
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235118 01:15 PM, 07 May 2024
    Trevor Owen's always welcomes, would be a super easy audience to entertain
  • @Arvik78 ↶ Reply to #235091 #235119 01:41 PM, 07 May 2024
    😀
  • @herpenstein ↶ Reply to #235113 #235120 01:57 PM, 07 May 2024
    Sir, It’s colored coins with jpegs. Completely different
  • @herpenstein ↶ Reply to #235117 #235121 01:58 PM, 07 May 2024
    Definitely should make this happen
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #235115 #235122 02:43 PM, 07 May 2024
    Be more fun to drop 2.0 and make Runes irrelevant
  • @6370143984 #235123 02:46 PM, 07 May 2024
    2.0 isn't some discrete event, but rather the incremental improvements which have been ongoing.
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #235123 #235124 02:57 PM, 07 May 2024
    Yes it is. It’s 2.0.
  • @6370143984 #235125 02:58 PM, 07 May 2024
    Oh. TIL.
  • @c0rnh0li0 ↶ Reply to #235117 #235126 03:35 PM, 07 May 2024
    I was on The Ordinals Show yesterday talking about Counterparty
  • @c0rnh0li0 #235127 03:39 PM, 07 May 2024
    1H20M in I talk about CCSATOSHI, Counterparty, and STAMPS

    https://x.com/LeonidasNFT/status/1787490552444862941
    Leonidas (@LeonidasNFT) on X

    https://t.co/VNIqoxM992

  • @c0rnh0li0 #235128 03:42 PM, 07 May 2024
    I was chatting with Leo before, and he would like to have Counterparty devs come on and talk about PSBT once it’s live
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235128 #235129 04:06 PM, 07 May 2024
    Just listened. Leo made a very important (and pretty obvious point) near the end: until users can just click a button in xverse or unisat, Counterparty will continue to stay under the radar. Expecting users to jump through the amount of hoops necessary to interact with Counterparty (today) is a non-starter. The good news is that the roadmap looks promising and hopefully friction will be reduced soon.
  • @realcoinking #235130 04:08 PM, 07 May 2024
    was eagerly waiting to hear faux mentioned but no luck
  • @realcoinking #235131 04:09 PM, 07 May 2024
    still 18m left 🤞
  • @pappyG45 ↶ Reply to #235129 #235132 04:09 PM, 07 May 2024
    Narrow is the path. Natural selection process can’t be disturbed quite yet
  • @6370143984 ↶ Reply to #235129 #235133 04:09 PM, 07 May 2024
    Indeed, I think the amount of adoption Counterparty has *in spite of* the number and severity of the UX issues is really a testament to the community.
  • @NorthrnSatosh ↶ Reply to #235129 #235134 04:10 PM, 07 May 2024
    The Stamp Wallet proves it can be. Select stamp, quantity, address, send
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235135 04:10 PM, 07 May 2024
    Will be cool when more Assets get support
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235136 04:15 PM, 07 May 2024
    It's interesting they see Ordinals as less friction, with the amount of lost funds
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235134 #235137 04:15 PM, 07 May 2024
    Stamp wallet is great but just the very idea of having to install yet another wallet is a lot of friction for users.
  • @6370143984 ↶ Reply to #235137 #235138 04:16 PM, 07 May 2024
    that muscular/crying doge meme comes to mind to compare 2014 to 2024 UX, but I hear you.
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235136 #235139 04:16 PM, 07 May 2024
    I think liquidity trumps all and users are willing to put up with a lot more if they see a profit incentive
  • @NorthrnSatosh ↶ Reply to #235139 #235140 04:19 PM, 07 May 2024
    Casino
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235141 04:19 PM, 07 May 2024
    I know I might loose. But I could win
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235129 #235142 04:23 PM, 07 May 2024
    bytedust already use Okx as wallet provider, the main asset rewards the user with the collected fees on atomic swaps.

    Soon we have atomic swaps between btc and xcp assets, and xcp/multichains. (Avalaible on bytesdust.com)

    3D collections on alphadust.io.ñ and zkdust use zkproof to reward users based on the 3D assets.

    Blockvault is a wallet soon avalaible en playstore, appstore.
  • @Arvik78 ↶ Reply to #235132 #235143 04:23 PM, 07 May 2024

    photo_2024-05-07_16-23-05.jpg
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235142 #235144 04:24 PM, 07 May 2024
    Psbt are already implemented on bytedust.com
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235144 #235145 04:25 PM, 07 May 2024
    This is cool and Stamp marketplaces do something similar with trusted-PSBT. I think the holy grail, tho, is trustless PSBT similar to how Ordinals can be traded on DEXes
  • @mikeinspace #235146 04:26 PM, 07 May 2024
    Attaching assets to UTXOs
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235145 #235147 04:26 PM, 07 May 2024
    For that the assets should be attached to utxos. but wouldn't that turn CP into runes?
  • @mikeinspace #235148 04:27 PM, 07 May 2024
    All the tooling is Ordinals-based at this point so you almost need to follow that approach to be integrated into marketplaces
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235145 #235149 04:27 PM, 07 May 2024
    We have discovered a way to do trustless utxos-based atomic swaps, using combined osbts and join utxos techniques.
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235149 #235150 04:28 PM, 07 May 2024
    Interesting… that’s going over my head, but maybe you can dumb it down.
  • @Jpcryptos #235151 04:28 PM, 07 May 2024
    A user can safely exchange BTC for XCP.
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235151 #235152 04:28 PM, 07 May 2024
    No custodial risk?
  • @Jpcryptos #235153 04:28 PM, 07 May 2024
    if any of the input tx tries to double spend. the tx fails.
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235152 #235154 04:29 PM, 07 May 2024
    Not custodial risk, there is only one coordinator who makes sure to combine the utxos, so fewer steps are required to complete a psbts-atomic-swap.
  • @NorthrnSatosh ↶ Reply to #235154 #235155 04:30 PM, 07 May 2024
    Not custodial but coordinator
  • @NorthrnSatosh #235156 04:31 PM, 07 May 2024
    Different choice of word. But doesn't it achieve same?
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235155 #235157 04:33 PM, 07 May 2024
    A coordinator is in charge of finding the ask/bid and validates that the conditions of the psbt meet the minimum requirements to be considered "trustless" The coordinator also makes sure that no user tries to frontrun. the coordinator does not modify the tx or add or remove signatures.
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235156 #235158 04:37 PM, 07 May 2024
    The only thing we charge is a maker/taker fee percentage. We make sure that in the psbt there is an output that we call "atomic fee", something standard in most DEXs.
  • @herpenstein #235159 04:38 PM, 07 May 2024
    How many on chain txs does it take?
  • @Jpcryptos #235160 04:39 PM, 07 May 2024
    but that fee will not go entirely to us. Bytedust holders will be able to burn BYTEDUST to obtain their equivalent share of the collected fees.
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235159 #235161 04:39 PM, 07 May 2024
    1 TX.
  • @Jpcryptos #235162 04:39 PM, 07 May 2024
    This way we ensure that if any input is spent in the psbt, the transaction fails.
  • @Jpcryptos #235163 04:39 PM, 07 May 2024
    99% not frontrun scams.
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235160 #235164 04:41 PM, 07 May 2024
    We are legally ensuring that a company that is the "custodian of the collected fee" is legally obligated to pay BYTEDUST holders when they burn their coins.
  • @Jpcryptos #235165 04:41 PM, 07 May 2024
    Only problem, it will not be available for the United States users.
  • @NorthrnSatosh ↶ Reply to #235160 #235166 04:42 PM, 07 May 2024
    So Bytedust isn't the fees for the platform? It's a token that represents instead?
  • @Jpcryptos #235167 04:42 PM, 07 May 2024
    Not...
  • @JamesMcpickle ↶ Reply to #235129 #235168 04:43 PM, 07 May 2024
    Im forking counterparty
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235166 #235169 04:43 PM, 07 May 2024
    Bytedust is just a way to reward to the holders for trusting on the project
  • @Jpcryptos #235170 04:47 PM, 07 May 2024
    I have been working on CP projects since 2022, I have not made as much noise because everything was under construction and raising funds... also some previous partners did not align with my principles, but now that I have projects ready to go out on CP I am making more noise. I don't know if I should call it spam... I'm dyslexic anyway......
  • @herpenstein ↶ Reply to #235161 #235171 04:49 PM, 07 May 2024
    Can you explain how?

    If I sign a psbt to send a user xcp and the user adds a btc send to me to the PSBT and then you add your fee and submit it to the mempool, what’s stopping me from then sending the xcp somewhere else at a higher miner fee?
  • @Jpcryptos #235172 04:49 PM, 07 May 2024
    I tried at the end of 2023 but my engineers were not able to get a node up.... so I waited until Adam came back and fixed the mess that was there.
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235171 #235173 04:50 PM, 07 May 2024
    there is documentation. That explains the step, I just don't want to expos the documentation to light until the dex is available on the tesnet.
  • @herpenstein #235174 04:51 PM, 07 May 2024
    I hope you found a way and I am wrong, but I don’t think it’s possible to do this deterministically in any less than 2 transactions
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235171 #235175 04:52 PM, 07 May 2024
    The coordinator has requirements to use the dex, one of them is the address that makes the ask. just have 1 utxo. also for the address that makes the bid. You cannot do an rbf(or paud high few) because if you paid higher fee the (atomic psbt) tx will fail, because the input has been spent.
  • @herpenstein ↶ Reply to #235175 #235177 04:55 PM, 07 May 2024
    But the input hasn’t been spent until the tx is mined?
  • @herpenstein #235178 04:57 PM, 07 May 2024
    As an example, I had a tx without rbf stuck at a low fee because of the recent surge in activity, so I created new different tx using the same utxo and submitted it to a mempool that didn’t have my low fee tx in it
  • @herpenstein #235179 04:58 PM, 07 May 2024
    My new tx was mined and my funds were freed up
  • @Jpcryptos #235180 05:03 PM, 07 May 2024
    The tx will fail i that case
  • @Jpcryptos #235181 05:05 PM, 07 May 2024
    My engineers have cool docs with nice graphics explaining that, just waiting to finish some ux bugs to go on testnet
  • @Jpcryptos #235182 05:06 PM, 07 May 2024
    But i can explain it in a math way.
  • @herpenstein #235183 05:06 PM, 07 May 2024
    Kk will wait for the docs.
  • @herpenstein #235184 05:07 PM, 07 May 2024
    Regardless, from the explanation I think that as a malicious user I could submit my PSBT, generate (but not broadcast) a send from another wallet to my purchasing wallet then use that new utxo to generate a send to move the xcp asset at a higher fee. And when I see your tx hit the mempool submit my txs that pay a higher fee
  • @herpenstein #235185 05:08 PM, 07 May 2024
    But I hope I’m wrong. Would love to see finality in 1 tx
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235184 #235186 05:10 PM, 07 May 2024
    If you add outputs or inputs to a psbt you need to sign the psbt again.
  • @herpenstein #235187 05:10 PM, 07 May 2024
    I wouldn’t be adding anything to the psbt, I would be making another one that has a cp send op return and ensuring it’s fee is higher
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235187 #235188 05:12 PM, 07 May 2024
    It will fail because you are only using one input. and if you do a frontrunr the tx will fail because you are using that only input you have.....
  • @6370143984 #235189 05:15 PM, 07 May 2024
    you still have the input until the tx is committed to the log.
  • @herpenstein #235190 05:16 PM, 07 May 2024
    If you ensure the wallet in question only has one input that helps and then forces tje attack to require two txs, fund the purchasing wallet with another utxo then use that utxo to move the asset
  • @herpenstein #235191 05:17 PM, 07 May 2024
    And those txs would need to be submitted with a higher fee after the coordinator tx hits the mempool
  • @Jpcryptos #235192 05:20 PM, 07 May 2024
    AddressAsk = (1utxo)
    AddressBid = (1utxo)

    Cashback = utxoamount - fee
    OutpubBidSend =xcp

    PsbtA = (AdressaskUtxo, outputBidSend, Cashback)

    OuputAskSend = BTc
    PSBTb = (AddressBidUtxo, outputAskSend, cashback)

    Combine PBTs = (PsbtA, PsbtB)

    Case 1 paid higher fee.

    if (addressAsk, AddressBid) tries to spend its only utxo.
    COMBINED UTXO WILL FAIL
  • @Jpcryptos #235193 05:21 PM, 07 May 2024
    Take note pepe lover
  • @Jpcryptos #235194 05:21 PM, 07 May 2024
    EZ
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235191 #235195 05:24 PM, 07 May 2024
    case 1, you need to use the only utxo you have but if you use it the combined psbt fails
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235190 #235196 05:32 PM, 07 May 2024
    Yes, but as I said above that will kill the metaprotocols that use utxos, ordinals runes. Etc...
  • @Jpcryptos #235197 05:33 PM, 07 May 2024
    bytesdust plans to have 2 addresses

    Payments
    Dex
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235192 #235198 05:39 PM, 07 May 2024
    Bitcoin core have two ways to geta final psbt-combined utxo.
    Join or combine, If you use join you will need to sign the PSBT several times.
  • @Jpcryptos #235199 05:39 PM, 07 May 2024
    We are also testing that the tx has a locktime of 2 blocks
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235192 #235200 05:43 PM, 07 May 2024
    The coordinator only makes sure that the tx complies with those rules....
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235192 #235203 05:47 PM, 07 May 2024
    for the BYTEDUST burning process to get the fee collected you do the same. , the only thing that changes is that in this case the outputBidSend is a burning address.
  • @Gabdevs #235204 06:04 PM, 07 May 2024
    i made this card In honor to all the great work of Jdog

    https://xchain.io/tx/a98386a46d01cc23206c71974d137cb1b787f6a5fcf6fd2ceb5d649b025d2c26

    photo_2024-05-07_18-04-45.jpg
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235145 #235205 06:06 PM, 07 May 2024
    I think we found the holy grail of trustless swaps.
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235146 #235206 06:08 PM, 07 May 2024
    I think that having CP be attached to utxos is just forking the OP_Return just for the hype of the new protocols.

    We are op_return since 2014. nothing can compete with that.
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235203 #235207 06:19 PM, 07 May 2024
    https://xchain.io/asset/BYTEDUST
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235142 #235208 06:19 PM, 07 May 2024
    https://xchain.io/asset/ZKDUST

    And zkdust for the 3D assets
  • @uanbtc ↶ Reply to #235206 #235209 08:01 PM, 07 May 2024
    I agree. Being reactionary shouldn’t be the Counterparty way, we have the Lindy effect on our side.

    CP users love it being address based. “Addys”.

    And the UX will be affected because now assets will be either UTXO based or address based. Not sure how complex or if is even possible to make the transition between them seamless.

    But… having said all this, if the implementation can be done in a way that does not over-complicate the current codebase, and the address based assets option stays “intact”, then I won’t mind it being added.

    Is optional and actual usage will determine if it was worth it or not.
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235209 #235210 08:12 PM, 07 May 2024
    I think that having assets attched to utxos will not be ready in the next 5-6 months, implementing that change at least requires 1 year planning...

    1. CP is a protocol with a history of high value assets, and maintaining the integrity of those assets is prioritized above all.....

    2. Attchinf utxos properly requires testing, documenting the cips that wil implemented, analyzing possible failures, where it could break, and giving a considerable margin of time to projects, wallet providers and others that update the technology.

    3. explain very well why and how the utxos are going to be used within the dispensers, the dex, the bets, etc...

    4. In my career I have learned that if something has the possibility of breaking, at some point it will break, and we cannot put at risk wonderful asset history we have on CP.
  • @teysol #235211 08:45 PM, 07 May 2024
    1. Yes, maintaining the integrity of the current network is paramount. However, that doesn't mean that the network can't change and even get better... obviously. The slow, fitful development over the past eight years was a consequence of a lack of effort invested, not the difficulty of the task at hand.

    2. The CIP process is, unfortunately, a bureaucratic joke. Of the 33 CIPs listed in the official repo (https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips), only *2* were ever "accepted", and neither of those had anything to do with actualy software development 🙄. There will be a formal design proposal for all significant protocol changes going forward of course, and there will plenty of opportunity for the community to participate, but it will _not_ take a year to write lol. If anyone has anything concrete to add to the discussion, there's a place to contribute here for the time-being: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/discussions/134

    3. If you're worried about compatibility with dispensers, bets, etc., then you need to review the actual design suggested. None of that will be an issue.

    4. In *my* career, I've designed, implemented and deployed many blockchain upgrades much more complicated than this. There's no need for all of the FUD 🥱
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235211 #235212 08:53 PM, 07 May 2024
    It's not fud bro, it's just a realistic perspective. protocol changes like this in other blockchains are planned with a lot of time. and i know you've been doing a lot of work now improving the technology, and the last thing we need is for something to break. i'm a dev too, and also an entrepreneur, so my opinions on those changes include what i believe from a business standpoint, and as a dev i understand that adapting to new protocol is important, and i know these things require a lot of research.
  • @teysol ↶ Reply to #235206 #235213 08:58 PM, 07 May 2024
    all due respect, "as a dev" you should know that this makes zero technical sense
  • @pappyG45 #235214 09:00 PM, 07 May 2024
    https://fxtwitter.com/brucefenton/status/1787868177130504658
    Bruce Fenton (@brucefenton)

    Almost *nine* years ago Overstock issued the first legally compliant securities token in the USA. Why don’t we now have thousands trading in a vibrant market with the US leading the world? For same reason so many other things are broken: anti market tyranny & regulation.

  • @teysol #235215 09:01 PM, 07 May 2024
    *ATTN* Potential small amount of downtime on api.counterparty.io as we rejigger some servers
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235213 #235216 09:07 PM, 07 May 2024
    preparing my projects for changes and making them compatible with CP costs money, at least 3 frontend engineers cost me 4500€ each one per month in which at least 1 month they will take to understand what update is planned and at least 2 months to complete and test the new changes, my mobile engineers cost around 3000€ per month in which they will take more time to handle the changes, and to that we add the risk that some of them can be wrong or there is no good documentation about the new changes. That's why we need time to understand what is planned, and the first thing we will go to are the CIPs to study how those changes have been implemented.
  • @teysol #235217 09:09 PM, 07 May 2024
    if you spend a year doing work that should take two weeks, that's not surprising...
  • @Jpcryptos #235218 09:10 PM, 07 May 2024
    and as an entrepreneur I try to reduce those risks to a minimum.
  • @teysol #235219 09:19 PM, 07 May 2024
    all significant protocol changes will be carefully documented, as has been the standard practice over the past few months (see the docs for the v2 API! https://docs.counterparty.io/docs/advanced/api-v2/node-api/)
    API v2 | Counterparty

    FORMAT: 1A

  • @JamesMcpickle ↶ Reply to #235168 #235220 10:06 PM, 07 May 2024
    sticker (10).webp
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235168 #235221 10:07 PM, 07 May 2024
    I'm taking Counterparty private at $420
  • @JamesMcpickle #235222 10:07 PM, 07 May 2024
    🤝
  • @JamesMcpickle #235223 10:08 PM, 07 May 2024
    there is gonna be a lot of chobani at the counterpartycash meetups
  • @JamesMcpickle #235224 10:09 PM, 07 May 2024
    free chobani for all attendees
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #235221 #235225 10:15 PM, 07 May 2024

    photo_2024-05-07_22-15-00.jpg
  • @XCERXCP #235226 10:15 PM, 07 May 2024
    Probably not the first tweet secured by Bitcoin 😂
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #235218 #235227 10:16 PM, 07 May 2024
    Should try to reduce those costs to $0
  • @Jpcryptos #235228 10:17 PM, 07 May 2024
    How so, ser?
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235227 #235229 10:18 PM, 07 May 2024

    giphy (9).mp4

  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235227 #235230 10:19 PM, 07 May 2024

    shitcoinguy.gif.mp4

  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #235228 #235231 10:49 PM, 07 May 2024
    Are you a programmer also?
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235231 #235232 10:53 PM, 07 May 2024
    I build blockchain tech since 2013.....
  • @Jpcryptos ↶ Reply to #235231 #235233 10:56 PM, 07 May 2024
    Now I only spend about 2 or 3 hours a day coding.
  • @Jpcryptos #235234 10:57 PM, 07 May 2024
    But I think I spend more time writing on this telegram and collecting memes, than having a life
  • 08 May 2024 (55 messages)
  • @978879797 ↶ Reply to #235234 #235235 02:34 AM, 08 May 2024
    Many people, especially the youth, are getting sucked into the MATRIX.
  • @978879797 #235236 02:34 AM, 08 May 2024

    stare-agent-smith.mp4

  • @teysol #235239 09:32 AM, 08 May 2024
    New Release! Counterparty v10.1.2 out, with the v2 API available with the /v2/ prefix and everything fully backwards-compatible. (Have not pushed it to api.counterparty.io yet, however.) Full release notes are available on GitHub: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/releases/tag/v10.1.2

    Attention The _next_ release (v10.2.0) is going to be a protocol change (the first this year), and a mandatory upgrade, necessary for us to kill the AddrIndexRs dependency which makes deployment much harder and is the source of a *lot* of bugs. We're going to _try_ to backport the change to the v9.x.y branch, simply because we value not breaking backwards-compatibility wherever possible, but really no one should still be on that branch because there are multiple known consensus bugs in it (!) If we are able to backport the changes, this will be the last time—the codebases will have diverged too far to do so safely in the future.
    Release v10.1.2 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core

    Release Notes - Counterparty Core v10.1.2 (2024-05-08) This version of Counterparty Core marks the release of API v2, a new RESTful API—see the official project documentation. The new API is availa...

  • @teysol ↶ Reply to #235239 #235240 09:33 AM, 08 May 2024
    None
  • @alex_core_0x #235244 09:41 AM, 08 May 2024
    Will Counterparty join the Bitcoin L2 race? 👀
  • @ffmad #235245 10:22 AM, 08 May 2024
    CP isn't a L2 🤔
  • @alex_core_0x ↶ Reply to #235245 #235246 10:47 AM, 08 May 2024
    A lot of new Bitcoin "L2" are not really the L2s. L2 is just the general name for networks are getting built inside the Bitcoin's orbit.
  • @alex_core_0x #235247 10:48 AM, 08 May 2024
    Counterparty could become a big player.
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235246 #235248 11:17 AM, 08 May 2024
    A multisig is an L2 these days.
  • @alex_core_0x #235249 11:18 AM, 08 May 2024
    true
  • @teysol #235250 11:25 AM, 08 May 2024
    Yeah I have no problem calling Counterparty an "L2". Originally term term only applied to something like Lightning, but now it's much broader and includes even sidechains.
  • @ffmad ↶ Reply to #235250 #235251 11:36 AM, 08 May 2024
    Imo L2 means the Blockchain is different from the L1
  • @ffmad #235252 11:37 AM, 08 May 2024
    Only proofs exists in the L1
  • @teysol #235253 12:33 PM, 08 May 2024
    yeah IMO that's precisely what an L2 isn't
  • @teysol #235254 12:35 PM, 08 May 2024
    if I take block hashes from BTC and publish them on LTC, is BTC now and LTC L2? :)
  • @alex_core_0x #235255 12:54 PM, 08 May 2024
    There are many "Bitcoin L2" that use ETH as the gas fee. That's funny, xd.
  • @ABlue0ne #235256 01:06 PM, 08 May 2024
    All People Seem to Need Data Processing
  • @ffmad ↶ Reply to #235254 #235257 01:06 PM, 08 May 2024
    that's the funny part about L2s :D
  • @ffmad #235258 01:07 PM, 08 May 2024
    "we're not sidechains". Hum, yes you are
  • @ABlue0ne ↶ Reply to #235256 #235259 01:08 PM, 08 May 2024

    photo_2024-05-08_13-08-33.jpg
  • @herpenstein #235260 01:26 PM, 08 May 2024
    Does anyone know off the top of their head how many bytes of data can be stored in a cp broadcast?
  • @herpenstein #235261 01:26 PM, 08 May 2024
    Using op-return
  • @ABlue0ne #235262 01:33 PM, 08 May 2024
    80 bytes
  • @herpenstein #235263 01:35 PM, 08 May 2024
    80b is the max op return but there is a prefix of cntrprty:?

    And perhaps another byte or two to identify it as a broadcast?
  • @6370143984 #235264 01:35 PM, 08 May 2024
    I think 52 bytes
  • @herpenstein #235265 01:35 PM, 08 May 2024
    Ouch
  • @6370143984 #235266 01:35 PM, 08 May 2024
    https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/blob/master/counterparty-core/counterpartycore/lib/messages/broadcast.py#L122
    counterparty-core/counterparty-core/counterpartycore/lib/messages/broadcast.py at master · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core

    Counterparty Protocol Reference Implementation. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core development by creating an account on GitHub.

  • @ABlue0ne #235267 01:35 PM, 08 May 2024
    54 characters for a broadcast
  • @herpenstein #235268 01:36 PM, 08 May 2024
    So no chance of me storing a Bitcoin signature in there eh
  • @ABlue0ne #235269 01:36 PM, 08 May 2024
    Nm, 52
  • @ABlue0ne #235270 01:36 PM, 08 May 2024
    Jpj had 54 somewhere.
  • @ABlue0ne #235271 01:36 PM, 08 May 2024
    You could hash it
  • @herpenstein #235272 01:37 PM, 08 May 2024
    I need the raw signature on chain so I can recreate a PSBT from the other data as an… an insurance policy
  • @herpenstein #235273 01:38 PM, 08 May 2024
    Can just store it in a standard op return I suppose, was hoping to make it easy to find by using the cp api :-p
  • @6370143984 #235274 01:38 PM, 08 May 2024
    On the docket: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/1375
    Optimize On-Chain Data Storage · Issue #1375 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core

    https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/121686/data-op-drop-vs-op-return/121687#121687

  • @BITnHODL #235275 01:59 PM, 08 May 2024
    Looking to get rid of some of these. Let me know if something interests you and we can make a deal!

    https://xchain.io/address/1DLFFU7Sqm4a7s52WmbeaXfxGVMgxn17vQ
  • @Arvik78 #235276 02:00 PM, 08 May 2024
    Thank you devs for kicking ass all over the place.
    Save the world 🪖👊
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #235239 #235278 02:23 PM, 08 May 2024
    LFG you guys are killing it
  • @ChiefSamyaza #235279 02:25 PM, 08 May 2024
    Hello @jdogresorg Your actual spread is 42%, please reduce it up to 2%. Thanks
  • @ChiefSamyaza #235280 02:25 PM, 08 May 2024
    Thank you for this info… I will pass it on to the community and hope that they place orders
  • @teysol #235281 02:57 PM, 08 May 2024
    yeah I tried to get into contact with them but they said they wouldn't communicate with me and I'm not super interested in chasing a centralized exchange with the name "dex-trade" and $6k of daily volume
  • @Gabdevs #235282 03:15 PM, 08 May 2024
    i made this card In honor to all the great work of Jdog

    https://xchain.io/tx/a98386a46d01cc23206c71974d137cb1b787f6a5fcf6fd2ceb5d649b025d2c26

    photo_2024-05-08_15-15-51.jpg
  • @juangalt #235283 05:57 PM, 08 May 2024
    what are the different end points into the xchain api?

    seems like the on we are using is failing
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235283 #235284 06:50 PM, 08 May 2024
    Not sure it’s related but there is some type of migration happening according to Jeremy Johnson CEO of Dankest, LLC.
  • @mikeinspace #235285 06:51 PM, 08 May 2024
    https://x.com/dankestllc/status/1787625472387645468
    Dankest, LLC (@Dankestllc) on X

    Today we are thrilled to announce the acquisition of XChain properties, including logo, https://t.co/rbbu12ddZL website, codebase, and pending trademark. These properties will be used to develop our new multi-chain XChain Platform. https://t.co/6yZ2jdcU77 #XChainPlatform #BTNS

  • @honkhonnk #235286 06:53 PM, 08 May 2024
    isn't jeremy jdog? so he's acquiring his own company with another company he owns?
  • @JanThomasewsky #235287 07:50 PM, 08 May 2024
    xD
  • @JanThomasewsky #235288 07:51 PM, 08 May 2024
    Someone known about something similar to XChain?
  • @JLSOUL1 #235289 07:58 PM, 08 May 2024
    https://twitter.com/pepe__wtf/status/1788296916771479982?t=IX4uXLwBhT5q1U4JmLwUSg&s=19
    pepe.wtf (@pepe__wtf) on X

    The PEPETRATION sale ends this SATURDAY at 420PM. There are only 28 left. Will one of them be yours? Do NOT miss your chance to acquire this 2016 Series 1 grail. https://t.co/4a2iyRXkQC

  • @mellowminer ↶ Reply to #235288 #235290 09:45 PM, 08 May 2024
    dankset dot io
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235288 #235291 09:46 PM, 08 May 2024
    xcp.ninja
  • @uanbtc #235292 09:58 PM, 08 May 2024
    xcp.dev!
  • @davesta #235293 10:08 PM, 08 May 2024
    xcp.io
  • @davesta #235294 10:08 PM, 08 May 2024
    isnt it great we have a few explorers now fam :)
  • @davesta #235295 10:08 PM, 08 May 2024

    anna-karina-smoke.mp4

  • 09 May 2024 (4 messages)
  • @L_vs_D ↶ Reply to #234990 #235298 09:14 AM, 09 May 2024
    Looks, my addy is staggered because there's a tx with a low fee still on the maintenance)
  • @JanThomasewsky ↶ Reply to #235290 #235299 04:00 PM, 09 May 2024
    That's pretty cool, but there's no one who have API?
  • @uanbtc ↶ Reply to #235299 #235300 04:12 PM, 09 May 2024
    https://www.xcp.dev/api

    Note that not all calls are documented. But you can see what the website uses by inspecting the network requests by the browser.

    The website is just another consumer of this public api.
  • @Arvik78 #235301 10:51 PM, 09 May 2024

    photo_2024-05-09_22-51-30.jpg
  • 10 May 2024 (559 messages)
  • @7082732708 #235302 06:43 AM, 10 May 2024
    Garcia
  • @jp_janssen ↶ Reply to #235270 #235303 10:59 AM, 10 May 2024
    Max broadcast text in opreturn somewhere around 54 yes. I don't remember exactly.

    The reason is that broadcasts also contain a numerical value, a fee fraction and a timestamp. It was originally designed to broadcast betting feeds.
  • @6370143984 #235304 11:00 AM, 10 May 2024
    Hasn't been a bet in 7 years 😆
  • @ffmad ↶ Reply to #235304 #235305 11:02 AM, 10 May 2024
    Makes me wonder if Augur has been used in the last 7 years
  • @davesta #235306 11:29 AM, 10 May 2024
    how often do yall use non-counterparty wallets (such as Electrum) or old versions of wallets (such as Freewallet) to *buy* from a dispenser?

    if so, might wanna look at this future protocol change:

    https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/1670
    Make `dispense` a Normal Counterparty Transaction · Issue #1670 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core

    No longer allow a normal Bitcoin transaction to trigger a dispense; require the CNTRPRTY prefix. This will prevent users from using a vanilla Bitcoin wallet to acquire Counterparty assets, but such...

  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235306 #235307 11:30 AM, 10 May 2024
    @pork_chop77 @subterranean1 @g0barry @robotlovecoffee thoughts?
  • @ABlue0ne ↶ Reply to #235304 #235308 11:51 AM, 10 May 2024
    The oracles are probably the reason for that if I remember my docs correctly.
  • @6526391605 ↶ Reply to #235306 #235309 12:02 PM, 10 May 2024
    never. no one does except for spammers who created dispensers on exchange addresses as they knew it would cause masses of dispense spam. it is obviously destroying performance too
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235309 #235310 12:02 PM, 10 May 2024
    that isnt even allowed with current protocol. this is for buyers using other wallets like Electrum (that offer better features for UTXO's, RBF and CPFP) in the event of a mempool spike on large purchases
  • @6526391605 ↶ Reply to #235310 #235311 12:07 PM, 10 May 2024
    counterparty wallets need to simply step up feature wise. stamped ninja has cpfp for example
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235311 #235312 12:07 PM, 10 May 2024
    that is probably the solution, but wish we had it now and before this change happens imo
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235306 #235313 12:16 PM, 10 May 2024
    It impacts more than simply filling a dispenser. It also impacts buying from a dispenser.
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235313 #235314 12:16 PM, 10 May 2024
    exactly
  • @6370143984 #235315 12:17 PM, 10 May 2024
    Yes, you will have to use a Counterparty wallet for a Counterparty transaction.
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235315 #235316 12:18 PM, 10 May 2024
    One thing I'm not clear about: how will the CP wallet know that its sending to a dispenser in order to set the CP header?
  • @Arvik78 ↶ Reply to #235315 #235317 12:18 PM, 10 May 2024
    So to buy or sell XCP have to have CP wallet?
    No more FreeWallet??
  • @6370143984 #235318 12:18 PM, 10 May 2024
    Freewallet is a Counterparty wallet
  • @Arvik78 #235319 12:19 PM, 10 May 2024
    Phew
  • @Arvik78 #235320 12:19 PM, 10 May 2024
    Had me nervous🤣
  • @Arvik78 #235321 12:19 PM, 10 May 2024
    It's early and I'm retarded
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235317 #235322 12:20 PM, 10 May 2024
    A new version of Freewallet will have to be released and any user that is using an older version will not be able to initiate buys with dispensers using the dispensers tab (which is just simply a BTC send)
  • @davesta #235323 12:20 PM, 10 May 2024
    if users dont update, their dispenses wont happen
  • @davesta #235324 12:20 PM, 10 May 2024
    if protocol is pushed in original post
  • @teysol #235325 12:20 PM, 10 May 2024
    presumably the dispenser tab would just be changed...
  • @6370143984 ↶ Reply to #235323 #235326 12:20 PM, 10 May 2024
    To be clear: for any mandatory upgrade users have to update, or else you split the network...
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235326 #235327 12:22 PM, 10 May 2024
    what if users simply use an older version without knowing? .... say for instance Bobby Zoo or Jason Williams buy using v0.9.29 of FW without knowing there was a change
  • @6370143984 #235328 12:22 PM, 10 May 2024
    that literally applies to any mandatory upgrade
  • @Arvik78 ↶ Reply to #235324 #235329 12:22 PM, 10 May 2024
    I usually just copy paste the dispenser address into send funds tab. That sounds like it will still work then?
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235329 #235330 12:22 PM, 10 May 2024
    nope
  • @davesta #235331 12:22 PM, 10 May 2024
    unless you upgrade.
  • @davesta #235332 12:23 PM, 10 May 2024
    im not against the upgrade. seems like its needed for the codebase. the users just have to be extra informed its going to happen
  • @davesta #235333 12:23 PM, 10 May 2024
    and there will be people who use the "old" function
  • @6526391605 #235334 12:24 PM, 10 May 2024
    like how freewallet has the new version popup, it can simple have a non-closable pop up, saying an upgrade is required
  • @davesta #235335 12:24 PM, 10 May 2024
    id be fine with that, seems like the right solution @jdogresorg
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235334 #235336 12:25 PM, 10 May 2024
    we will also have to warn users who commonly use Electrum
  • @Arvik78 #235337 12:25 PM, 10 May 2024
    How soon this all going down?
  • @davesta #235338 12:25 PM, 10 May 2024
    and ill have to update the FW user manual
  • @6370143984 ↶ Reply to #235337 #235339 12:25 PM, 10 May 2024
    after the release happens there will be a month before the change is activated.
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235338 #235340 12:26 PM, 10 May 2024

    wipe-tears-wiping-tears.mp4

  • @Arvik78 ↶ Reply to #235339 #235341 12:27 PM, 10 May 2024
    👍
    So without the FreeWallet upgrade there will be no way to dispense or get from dispensers XCP, Pepe's?
    Just making sure I understand.
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235341 #235342 12:28 PM, 10 May 2024
    all wallets will have to be upgraded
  • @davesta #235343 12:28 PM, 10 May 2024
    all of these https://www.counterparty.io/wallets
  • @6370143984 #235344 12:28 PM, 10 May 2024
    Yes but that is missing the point. If there is a mandatory upgrade and people don't upgrade they are no longer using the same network as those who do.
  • @6370143984 #235345 12:29 PM, 10 May 2024
    this is a feature of *any* mandatory upgrade. this one is just more user-facing (somehow!) than others.
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235344 #235346 12:30 PM, 10 May 2024
    if someone is using an older version and tried to connect to the counterparty API, will that transaction be allowed to be broadcasted?....

    other than a popup in the wallet - is there any other barrier or warning that could be implemented?

    i know for things like orders and token creation this would make some sort of sense, but because Dispenses are BTC transactions without extra OP_RETURN data.... these dispenses on "non-upgraded" wallets would result in loss of funds (if the dispenser creator didnt give it back)
  • @davesta #235348 12:35 PM, 10 May 2024
    if its good for the codebase and xcp wallets upgrade (which most of us use anyway) I get it will be fine. and most likely for the better.... just something that community will have to be extra extra aware of. We are very very used to having a simple btc tx initiate buys from dispensers (and its why coinbase and other centralized wallets hold xcp tokens... people mistakenly dispense their own tokens because of it)
  • @davesta #235351 12:38 PM, 10 May 2024
    any documentation written on using dispensers will have to be changed and the authors will have to be notified imo
  • @teysol #235352 12:39 PM, 10 May 2024
    the transaction will allowed to be broadcasted and the dispenser will receive extra funds (which they will have to voluntarily send back)

    yes, the docs would have to change, etc.... this is _basic stuff_
  • @teysol #235354 12:42 PM, 10 May 2024
    it'd be *very* good for the codebase, and system performance. it's disheartening to see people so overwhelmed the the possibility of such a small proposed change with such a clear benefit
  • @teysol #235355 12:44 PM, 10 May 2024
    I understand that Counterparty development has been extremely slow for a long time, but the reaction that I would expect from people is "yay! let's make it better! finally!" rather than "omg wallet devs might have to release a single patch with like a month's notice 🙀"
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235355 #235356 12:46 PM, 10 May 2024
    I think there is excitement for this release. But also just a general concern for those less technically savvy or clued in on protocol changes. Some education and outreach to be done.
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235334 #235357 12:47 PM, 10 May 2024
    this small change will effect alot of people if wallet devs dont do this mandatory upgrade popup ^ .... and again, im not against fixing the codebase or making things better finally... Rugspensers has been in discussion for a very long time with various things presented by JPJA and other devs on how to 'fix it' in various posts on the XCP forums and Github... im not against this fix... im just saying if not handled correctly, unaware users could lose funds - especially in the case of advanced users preferring to use Electrum for buying from Dispensers
  • @teysol #235358 12:49 PM, 10 May 2024
    the wallet devs not doing anything is not an option. as Evan said, if wallet devs force upgrades, it's a fork (and there _have_ been numerous protocol changes in the history of Counterparty)
  • @6370143984 #235359 12:49 PM, 10 May 2024
    there are two concerns, right?
    1. wallet devs won't upgrade to v10.2.0 before the change activates
    2. users won't know that they are no longer able to trigger a dispenser from a non-Counterparty wallet
    WRT (1) well... I share Adam's feelings. For (2): *everyone in this channel can help ensure that doesn't happen*
  • @davesta #235360 12:50 PM, 10 May 2024
    it would be nice for us to have an xcp wallet with the nice features of Electrum before this change happens, but if it has to be done, education is key. Like informing users on twitter and anywhere else they stay in touch.... and bright RED and SCARY popups for users
  • @davesta #235361 12:50 PM, 10 May 2024
    im happy we are having the discussion though, dont take me the wrong way
  • @teysol ↶ Reply to #235360 #235362 12:51 PM, 10 May 2024
    this is the issue 👆 the wallet situtation with Counterparty is such that people ends up using Electrum (which itself—let's be clear—totally sucks) despite the fact that Electrum _doesn't support Counterparty at all_
  • @teysol #235363 12:52 PM, 10 May 2024
    and then the narrative is "omg isn't it so nice that the best Counterparty wallet is a Bitcoin wallet that looks like this" 🙈

    photo_2024-05-10_12-52-33.jpg
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235360 #235364 12:52 PM, 10 May 2024
    what i am saying is that despite having these scary popups in FW, user click past them all the time... a "mandatory upgrade" has never been implemented in FW before.... it could look very scary for OG's.... it would be very new to them.... they are usually invited to upgrade as it fixes bugs... theyve never been locked out of using the old versions before
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235363 #235365 12:53 PM, 10 May 2024
    it is simply because we can really really control our tx's and speed them up manually if need be
  • @teysol #235366 12:53 PM, 10 May 2024
    > a "mandatory upgrade" has never been implemented in FW before.

    this is not at all true
  • @6370143984 #235367 12:53 PM, 10 May 2024
    any new feature is a mandatory upgrade
  • @teysol ↶ Reply to #235365 #235368 12:53 PM, 10 May 2024
    to be clear, there's absolutely no reason that a Counterparty wallet couldn't do that as well
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235368 #235369 12:53 PM, 10 May 2024
    i would LOVE that
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235366 #235370 12:54 PM, 10 May 2024
    " it could look very scary for OG's.... it would be very new to them.... they are usually invited to upgrade as it fixes bugs... theyve never been locked out of using the old versions before"
  • @6370143984 #235371 12:54 PM, 10 May 2024
    yea, they have
  • @6370143984 #235372 12:54 PM, 10 May 2024
    this just isn't how Counterparty works
  • @6370143984 #235373 12:54 PM, 10 May 2024
    any forwards-incompatible upgrade is mandatory
  • @6370143984 ↶ Reply to #235344 #235374 12:56 PM, 10 May 2024
    ibid
  • @davesta #235375 12:56 PM, 10 May 2024
    im simply trying to imagine someone who came back after 6 months and instead of the popup stating "A New Version of Freewallet is Avaliable!" says "Please update to the recent version as Dispenses on the old version will NOT work"
  • @davesta #235376 12:56 PM, 10 May 2024
    which is fine. im saying something like that hasnt happened before
  • @davesta #235377 12:57 PM, 10 May 2024
    and if it CAN be clicked past, alot of users will click past it without reading it - happens alllllllll the time
  • @6370143984 #235378 12:57 PM, 10 May 2024
    every mandatory upgrade can result in loss of funds.
  • @6370143984 #235379 12:57 PM, 10 May 2024
    and there have been plenty of mandatory upgrades in Counterparty's history
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235379 #235380 12:57 PM, 10 May 2024
    i get that
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235375 #235381 12:58 PM, 10 May 2024
    user seeing this in FW hasnt happened before in my experience
  • @davesta #235382 12:58 PM, 10 May 2024
    maybe before my time!
  • @6526391605 ↶ Reply to #235377 #235383 12:58 PM, 10 May 2024
    Just make it so you can't navigate past it. I don't think there will be any complaints
  • @teysol #235384 12:58 PM, 10 May 2024
    just in 2023 there were two mandatory upgrades: v9.61.0 and v9.61.1
  • @davesta #235385 12:58 PM, 10 May 2024
    ok guys i get things were upgraded, but the user experience with this one will be way different, thats my only point
  • @6370143984 ↶ Reply to #235384 #235386 01:00 PM, 10 May 2024
    ... 2 out of 3 releases in 2023
  • @teysol ↶ Reply to #235385 #235387 01:09 PM, 10 May 2024
    if it's indeed the case that a significant number of users really do use e.g. Electrum to trigger dispensers, then sadly yes, that makes it much harder to make such a simple upgrade :/
  • @ABlue0ne ↶ Reply to #235352 #235388 01:09 PM, 10 May 2024
    This is a big protocol change just for the node runners sake, and once a node is caught up, new tx’s don’t come flying in too fast to handle imo.

    The dispenser creation process could be modified instead of the buying process/tx and keep the buying process/tx the same and achieve the desired outcome of lightening the load of the node.

    I’ll have to come back later to explain more/how if that was not clear enough.
  • @teysol #235389 01:10 PM, 10 May 2024
    yeah no, it's not a big protocol change and new txs won't come "flying in too fast" or anything like that
  • @mikeinspace #235390 01:10 PM, 10 May 2024
    Anyone have a sense of the cp community outside of this chat? For instance, Casa Tookan is a CP wallet advertised on the SoG website. Never used it, but there might be some isolated communities that require outreach about this upgrade
  • @ABlue0ne ↶ Reply to #235355 #235391 01:10 PM, 10 May 2024
    The counterparty voluntary customer service department is the best in the industry.
  • @6526391605 ↶ Reply to #235390 #235392 01:13 PM, 10 May 2024
    I don't believe Casa Tookan has dispenser functionality
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235392 #235393 01:15 PM, 10 May 2024
    Dispenser “functionality” can simply mean being able to send bitcoin. Which might be something users have been socialized to do. Same with Freewallet mobile.
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235393 #235394 01:16 PM, 10 May 2024
    which why CIP 21 was so interesting and brought alot of volume back to xcp assets during 2021-2022 (despite it being live long before then)

    https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/blob/master/cip-0021.md
    cips/cip-0021.md at master · CounterpartyXCP/cips

    Counterparty Improvement Proposals. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/cips development by creating an account on GitHub.

  • @XCERXCP #235395 01:16 PM, 10 May 2024
    Not doing an upgrade because we’re worried about people who are not using a CP wallet to buy from dispensers seems silly
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235395 #235396 01:17 PM, 10 May 2024
    No one is advocating not doing it
  • @ABlue0ne ↶ Reply to #235389 #235397 01:18 PM, 10 May 2024
    Please reread my comment.
  • @mikeinspace #235398 01:18 PM, 10 May 2024
    Take freewallet mobile. From my understanding that wallet will never see an upgrade. Many users see that as a CP wallet and have successfully used it with dispensers for years
  • @davesta #235399 01:18 PM, 10 May 2024
    im for it.... just a small change can have large consequences if not handled right - especially with users (most of which dont follow these discussions) who are used to one way of doing it
  • @davesta #235400 01:20 PM, 10 May 2024
    last thing i want would be for people to say "XCP is broken, my dispense from FW Mobile didnt work and I lost 0.1 BTC this is a scam it always worked before".... Mobile would have to be updated too with that popup
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235400 #235401 01:20 PM, 10 May 2024
    when in reality it is a very good upgrade that fixed things
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #235400 #235402 01:21 PM, 10 May 2024
    So you would have to be using a non counterparty wallet and not be paying attention to any announcements or chats
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235400 #235403 01:21 PM, 10 May 2024
    Xchain (and other explorers) as well. That’s what the user is encountering and where the messaging would need to be
  • @XCERXCP #235404 01:21 PM, 10 May 2024
    Seems like a very low percentage
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235403 #235405 01:21 PM, 10 May 2024
    this too
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235402 #235406 01:22 PM, 10 May 2024
    Freewallet desktop+mobile are CP wallets. Not sure what the plans are
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235404 #235407 01:22 PM, 10 May 2024
    in my opinion its not low - and even if it was 5% - when there are 500 dispenses in a day thats 25 possible lost btc txs
  • @teysol ↶ Reply to #235400 #235408 01:23 PM, 10 May 2024
    lol yeah rugspensers are super reliable as it is ;)
  • @6526391605 ↶ Reply to #235398 #235409 01:23 PM, 10 May 2024
    Ok but last freewallet mobile update was March 2019 before Dispensers even a thing. Who is using that?
  • @davesta #235410 01:23 PM, 10 May 2024
    dispensers are basically all the artists and users have (other than emblem) - almost nobody is buying through xcp and pepecash on the DEx these days
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235409 #235411 01:23 PM, 10 May 2024
    most FW users are on mobile
  • @davesta #235412 01:24 PM, 10 May 2024
    in my opinion
  • @davesta #235413 01:24 PM, 10 May 2024
    i try to steer them away from it, but most people use Fw on their phone an i cant stop em
  • @davesta #235414 01:25 PM, 10 May 2024
    its MOST likely because its on the app store
  • @davesta #235415 01:25 PM, 10 May 2024
    and theres super scary messages for downloading desktop version
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235409 #235416 01:25 PM, 10 May 2024
    No idea what the usage stats are. But seems like it would be the natural choice of someone running the desktop client.

    Btw: don’t just assume the desktop client will be upgraded either
  • @6370143984 #235417 01:25 PM, 10 May 2024
    @davesta it's unclear what you're advocating for other than broad communication of the upgrade and for wallets to upgrade
  • @ABlue0ne ↶ Reply to #235384 #235418 01:26 PM, 10 May 2024
    That doesn’t mean they were good.
  • @davesta #235419 01:26 PM, 10 May 2024
    im simply trying to think of possible bad situations for the dumb user who doesnt read anything and doesnt keep up to make sure they dont lose funds, i could have easily been that person in another universe and anything that can go wrong, will go wrong
  • @6370143984 #235420 01:27 PM, 10 May 2024
    every mandatory upgrade can fork the network, and result in loss of funds. I don't know what else to say.
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235420 #235421 01:28 PM, 10 May 2024
    I think we just want to prevent that and having a discussion to understand all the edge cases is good. No one is advocating not to proceed (at least I’m not)
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235417 #235422 01:28 PM, 10 May 2024
    this might take a while.
  • @6370143984 #235423 01:29 PM, 10 May 2024
    someone might always not upgrade somewhere. there is an actual balance to be struck
  • @6370143984 #235424 01:29 PM, 10 May 2024
    if you don't think a month from release to activation is sufficient time, then propose an alternative.
  • @davesta #235425 01:29 PM, 10 May 2024
    any wallet on the Counterparty wallets page needs ample time to upgrade and if they dont, take em off the website as recommended wallets is my 2 sats
  • @6370143984 #235426 01:30 PM, 10 May 2024
    you're begging the question: what's "ample"?
  • @davesta #235427 01:30 PM, 10 May 2024
    ask those devs... i wouldnt know the answer to that
  • @6370143984 #235428 01:30 PM, 10 May 2024
    okay.
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #235425 #235429 01:30 PM, 10 May 2024
    Musk would push the upgrade next week and say fuckem
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235427 #235430 01:32 PM, 10 May 2024
    I think it’s pretty obvious there is one explorer and one wallet that handles most of the dispenser activity and it’s really about convincing that one particular dev.
  • @ABlue0ne ↶ Reply to #235395 #235431 01:32 PM, 10 May 2024
    Making the transaction larger (including cp data) also bloats the block and increases tx fees, only so that xcp node operators can compute a certain way. Not the best situation for the blockchain or users. Not a very fiducial implementation.
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235430 #235432 01:32 PM, 10 May 2024
    true.
  • @6370143984 ↶ Reply to #235431 #235433 01:33 PM, 10 May 2024
    lol this is how Counterparty works
  • @6370143984 #235434 01:33 PM, 10 May 2024
    "fiducial" or not
  • @ABlue0ne #235435 01:33 PM, 10 May 2024
    Be good stewards
  • @6370143984 #235436 01:33 PM, 10 May 2024
    I have no idea what you mean but I promise we'll try
  • @davesta ↶ Reply to #235430 #235437 01:34 PM, 10 May 2024
    Monya too... I know that is still used in the Japanese communities
  • @teysol #235438 01:36 PM, 10 May 2024
    to reiterate _every single wallet and explorer_ is already required to implement mandatory protocol changes regularly
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235437 #235439 01:36 PM, 10 May 2024
    Is that MonaCoin? That also raises an interesting point: will forks like DogeParty upgrade? Not really our concern… just curious
  • @mikeinspace ↶ Reply to #235438 #235440 01:36 PM, 10 May 2024
    You don’t need to convince us
  • @mikeinspace #235441 01:37 PM, 10 May 2024
    We’re just chattering… this is really about the actual devs and what they decide to do
  • @XCERXCP #235442 01:38 PM, 10 May 2024
    If a user doesn’t use a CP wallet and doesn’t read anything, it doesn’t matter how long this upgrade is delayed, they will lose their funds
  • @teysol #235443 01:41 PM, 10 May 2024
    oh, and implementing this change would also fix *this* way that users can currently lose their funds with dispensers

    photo_2024-05-10_13-41-55.jpg
  • @ABlue0ne ↶ Reply to #235438 #235444 01:45 PM, 10 May 2024
    The hard close. We know what mandatory means.
  • @teysol #235445 01:47 PM, 10 May 2024
    (also, if you're in favor of the current proposal, please comment / 👍 on the GitHub issue https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/1670 🙏)
    Make `dispense` a Normal Counterparty Transaction · Issue #1670 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core

    No longer allow a normal Bitcoin transaction to trigger a dispense; require the CNTRPRTY prefix. This will prevent users from using a vanilla Bitcoin wallet to acquire Counterparty assets, but such...

  • @ffmad ↶ Reply to #235445 #235447 02:02 PM, 10 May 2024
    Will post on the proposal, but this was needed 👍. "Just sending some bitcoin" is great but result in a lot of failures, like using a non-compatible wallet, or sending BTC to your own wallet and triggering a dispenser by error
  • @ffmad #235448 02:03 PM, 10 May 2024
    We should only trigger a dispenser when we want to trigger one.
  • @al_fernandz #235449 02:05 PM, 10 May 2024
    Finally we stopping accidentally filling Coinbase's PEPECASH bag?
  • @al_fernandz #235450 02:05 PM, 10 May 2024
    sticker (10).webp
  • @ffmad #235452 02:06 PM, 10 May 2024
    I sent some MISSPEPEPUNK to dextrade like this --
  • @Arvik78 ↶ Reply to #235430 #235453 02:06 PM, 10 May 2024
    I feel like huge things are in the making right now
  • @ffmad #235454 02:07 PM, 10 May 2024
    My fakerare are more fake and rare thanks to this 🥲
  • @6370143984 #235455 02:08 PM, 10 May 2024
    I didn't realize all the fun ways people lose money with dispensers as it is...
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #235448 #235456 02:08 PM, 10 May 2024
    This is a great point
  • @ffmad ↶ Reply to #235455 #235457 02:12 PM, 10 May 2024
    I imagine that with this prefix, we could also think about a better version were you can have multiple dispensers on 1 address? (and choose which dispenser to trigger)
  • @ffmad #235458 02:12 PM, 10 May 2024
    current way of having 10 addresses for 10 dispensers is ... bad
  • @teysol ↶ Reply to #235457 #235459 02:12 PM, 10 May 2024
    Absolutely. This would be *trivial*.
  • @ffmad ↶ Reply to #235459 #235461 02:14 PM, 10 May 2024
    This would improve the use of dispensers by 1000% 🔥
  • @teysol #235462 02:39 PM, 10 May 2024
    yeah this proposal is the only way of properly supporting multiple dispensers at the same address, and we could have that on day 1 after the protocol change
  • @teysol #235465 02:40 PM, 10 May 2024
    if you're excited about that, please say so on the GitHub issue (https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/1670)
  • @ABlue0ne ↶ Reply to #235462 #235466 03:04 PM, 10 May 2024
    The ONLY way? How about introducing this as a new feature and giving it a different name, like ‘Vend’ without deprecating the dispenser functionality.
  • @6370143984 #235467 03:05 PM, 10 May 2024
    then that wouldn't be supporting multiple dispensers lol
  • @6370143984 #235468 03:06 PM, 10 May 2024
    this isn't a discussion about deprecating dispensers. Please don't FUD.
  • @ABlue0ne #235469 03:06 PM, 10 May 2024
    Multiple vends
  • @ABlue0ne #235470 03:07 PM, 10 May 2024
    Please don’t gaslight
  • @6370143984 #235471 03:08 PM, 10 May 2024
    you consistently misunderstand how Counterparty works. You're not being gaslit.
  • @ABlue0ne #235473 03:15 PM, 10 May 2024
    I really question the values and principals in this group.
  • @6370143984 #235474 03:16 PM, 10 May 2024
    The "principal" in question is making Counterparty transactions... Counterparty transactions.
  • @6370143984 #235475 03:19 PM, 10 May 2024
    the CIP for dispensers doesn't specify that there won't be a prefix for dispensers. since the prefix is how Counterparty transactions are identified, then, its absence should be considered a bug. And the consequences of this bug are several and serious. That this bug has been leveraged by users is a real consideration but the thesis is that it's outweighed by the benefits of fixing it.
  • @6370143984 #235476 03:21 PM, 10 May 2024
    Implementing a new feature ("Vend") that wouldn't have this bug *would also require a mandatory upgrade*.
  • @ABlue0ne ↶ Reply to #235476 #235477 03:26 PM, 10 May 2024
    It would only be mandatory to use the new feature, so not mandatory. But whatever, no skin off my back.
  • @pappyG45 ↶ Reply to #235473 #235478 03:26 PM, 10 May 2024
    You should leave you offer nothing
  • @6370143984 ↶ Reply to #235477 #235479 03:26 PM, 10 May 2024
    that's not what mandatory means in this case...
  • @6370143984 #235480 03:26 PM, 10 May 2024
    if there is a mandatory upgrade then whose who don't upgrade *will not be on the same network as those who do*
  • @ABlue0ne #235481 03:27 PM, 10 May 2024
    Bitcoin is the network
  • @6370143984 #235482 03:27 PM, 10 May 2024
    that doesn't mean anything
  • @6370143984 #235483 03:28 PM, 10 May 2024
    The Counterparty network isn't the Bitcoin network. If it were then Counterparty wouldn't exist...
  • @pappyG45 #235484 03:28 PM, 10 May 2024
    Boomers having a hard time 🤣
  • @ABlue0ne #235485 03:28 PM, 10 May 2024
    Wow. You guys are loosing it.
  • @6370143984 #235487 03:30 PM, 10 May 2024
    Again, you just don't understand how Counterparty works. That's fine! But I don't know why you insist that you're right.
  • @pappyG45 #235488 03:30 PM, 10 May 2024
    Don’t feed the trolls
  • @herpenstein #235489 04:46 PM, 10 May 2024
    Is there a consideration to call the feature a new name and perform a soft depreciation of dispensers wherein no new ones can be created at activation?

    Then at another future block all open dispensers are closed and returned to their origin address?
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