• 14 November 2019 (131 messages)
  • @483911280 #44452 05:39 AM, 14 Nov 2019
    How does it feel to be a.01%er?
  • @483911280 #44453 05:39 AM, 14 Nov 2019
    any regrets?
  • @483911280 #44454 05:39 AM, 14 Nov 2019
    howdidithappen?
  • @483911280 #44455 05:39 AM, 14 Nov 2019
    wouldyoudoitagain?
  • If xcp had decent exposure to liquidity any position at all at these low prices would afford a great chance at huge upside potential, though thats all less relevant at low liquidity
  • @529335952 #44457 05:47 AM, 14 Nov 2019
    ppl thought sky was crsshing when gox collapsed and they rushed to dump (and many before then)
  • @529335952 #44458 05:47 AM, 14 Nov 2019
    ditto for many other coins, some dumped 10's of thoussnds of xmr for 20cents, could of sat on them a bit and made 8 figures
  • @529335952 #44459 05:48 AM, 14 Nov 2019
    same with ltc, eth etc..
  • @529335952 #44460 05:49 AM, 14 Nov 2019
    IF xcp had or could achieve liquidity this market cap is beyond a steal, its 2013 crypto caps
  • @529335952 #44461 05:51 AM, 14 Nov 2019
    when this great boomer wealth transfer of trillions (biggest of our generation ) occurs in nextt decade+ and some of this money funnels to crypto savvy millenials/genz who are open to it as an asset class, theres potential for many of these assets to pop
  • @483911280 #44462 05:52 AM, 14 Nov 2019
    I’m betting on NEWBITCORN but have a NEWBITCORNS hedge incase things go tits up
  • Sounds like a wise strategy
  • I dumped all for OLINCOIN 😉
  • @syg541 #44472 11:50 AM, 14 Nov 2019
    Hey y'all, is there a way to do a batch transaction? Say, I issue an asset and have a list of 100 people willing to buy some units of the asset. Can I send units to all 100 purchasers in one tx?
  • @104473096 #44473 12:06 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    yes, you can make a dex order or a dispenser 😂
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44473 #44474 12:18 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Awesome. Can you elaborate please?
  • @104473096 #44475 12:34 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    You need people to pay for their share?
  • @104473096 #44476 12:34 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    And can they get any amount of the share?
  • @Superart #44480 02:07 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Hello
  • @krostue #44481 02:09 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Welcome to the real room.
  • @Superart #44484 02:14 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    My name is Art, I've been a fan of CP for a while. I'm in the process of preparing for a token offering, and I'm looking to doit on Counterparty.
  • @Superart #44485 02:15 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    The token will be similar to MKDERNPEPE, in that the tokens will be "backed" by a physical painting, but will not grant any sort of ownership
  • @Superart #44486 02:16 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    I will most likely be using BTC pay server to run the payment side. This will give me a list of addresses. What I need is a way to easily send out my token as a batch to that list of addresses.
  • @benchbtc ↶ Reply to #44486 #44487 02:26 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    You can use dividends after setting up for example a dispenser
  • @krostue #44489 02:29 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    If the list of addresses is manageable, in my opinion, up to a few hundred, then sending out transactions by and should be affordable and not too time consuming.
    for one of the projects I'm involved in, I send about a hundred transactions out every 3 months
  • @krostue #44490 02:36 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    lately, sub 1000 satoshi tx have gotten through quickly
    7 cents a send is not that bad
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44475 #44491 02:40 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Buyers pay fiat and provide an address. Each buyer will get a certain amount of units for what he paid. Once I have x amount of buyers I'll distribute the units
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44476 #44492 02:41 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Right. They'll get according to what they're paying for
  • I believe your talking about MPMA Sends (Multi-Peer Multi-Asset Sends)... unfortunately that feature is not currently available in Counterparty due to issues encoding the data into p2sh transactions... John still has this on his todo list..... Until MPMA and P2SH encoding is working properly, you will need to either send your tokens one by one... or use a dispenser.... A dispenser sounds like it is the best match for you.... as you can setup a dispenser, and then when people send you the specified amount of BTC, Counterparty will automatically send them back the token...... This way you can get the payment AND send the return token to the user in a single transaction (Using BTCpay server would require 2 transactions... 1 to accept the BTC, and 1 to send the token to the user)
  • @jdogresorg #44494 02:47 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    You can easily setup a dispenser in counterwallet... Here is an example dispenser I setup to sell my FULLACCESS token for 0.002 BTC..... everytime someone sends 0.002 BTC to my dispenser address, they get back a FULLACCESS token.... https://xchain.io/tx/1a82774d020e24203091e3029d6fd8113baff2c48d89babf6d0ccc541becf5f8
  • Yes, you've been with CP for a long time.... I remember meeting you back in TNABC a few years back 🙂
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44493 #44496 03:33 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Hey, big fan of your wallet 👍. So you're basically saying that if I'm accepting fiat and making a list of recipients then I need to send to each addressee separately?
  • @jdogresorg #44497 03:39 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Correct....if you accept fiat and want to send tokens to users, you have to send them out individually right now.... prolly best to leave the fiat to centralized exchanges... otherwise if your allowing conversion of fiat to a token, depending on your country you could be considered a money exchanger and subject to additional rules, regulations, and licensing fees (most US states charge a per-year fee to be licensed as a money exchanger in the state).... Probably best to just stick with accepting BTC and then handing a token back to the user... crypto-to-crypto... not fiat-to-crypto.... using a dispensers will allow you to accept BTC and send the user a token back in a single transaction.
  • @Superart ↶ Reply to #44489 #44499 04:21 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Yea, that's my tentative plan right now. I would like to automate it if possible though.
  • @104473096 #44500 04:22 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    The folding coin bunch does manual distributions monthly, guess it has some costs, but it would be interesting to know how they manage them
  • @Superart ↶ Reply to #44487 #44501 04:22 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Yea, I am looking I to maybe using a dispenser or vending machine type setup. I just haven't been able to wrap my head around how to do that yet though.
  • @Superart ↶ Reply to #44493 #44502 04:29 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Well, I would only be sending one specific token, so not mkulti asset. It is to multie different addresses though. I think you are right about a dispenser being what I need for this.
  • @Superart #44503 04:30 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    The reason I am thinking about going with BTC pay server is because it takes care of all the front end stuff for me, which i am kind of weak on. I was thinking of using their "crowd funding" app.
  • @Superart #44504 04:31 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    From what I understand, if I go with a dispenser or vending machine, I would need to set up the website and all of that myself. BTC pay server just does that all automatically.
  • @Superart #44505 04:33 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Another challenge with the dispenser option is that we want to denominated price in USD, but take payments in BTC. So if someone sends us $10 for a token, the actual satoshi value will be different at any given point, so we can't really base the tokens issued on how many satoshis we receive from each address.
  • @Superart #44506 04:34 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Also, I would like to have unique payment address for each transaction, and have the ability to send the token to a different address than where the payment came from.
  • @heunland ↶ Reply to #44500 #44507 04:34 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Foldingcoin is using Tokenly
  • @heunland #44508 04:35 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    But I not sure on current status of that continuing
  • @krostue ↶ Reply to #44505 #44509 04:41 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    if you want $10, ask for $10
  • @Superart #44510 04:42 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Yea, but $10 can be .001BTC one minute, then be .002BTC the next
  • @Superart #44511 04:43 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    That's why I am leaning towards BTC pay server. It manages that really well.
  • @krostue ↶ Reply to #44510 #44512 04:44 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    no, you are not getting my point
  • @krostue #44513 04:44 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    use ebay to sell for usd
  • @krostue #44514 04:45 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    if you sell art for btc, use it for some crypto-native purpose.
    like tx fees, or dispenser expense.
  • @krostue #44515 04:49 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    for example. although i have not published the press release, CRYPTOART.Treatise vending profits go to paying for the body of the document to be Broadcast on the btc chain. last i looked it'll cost about 0.04
  • @Superart #44517 04:54 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    You set how much USD you want for a sale, then it creates a new address and sends an invoice that expires in 10 minutes.
  • @Superart #44518 04:55 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    I dobt want USD, I just won't to denominate price in USD. I want Payment made is BTC
  • @krostue #44519 04:56 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    why tho?
  • @krostue #44520 04:56 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    it seems to be easier to go with what works
  • @krostue #44521 04:56 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    and sacrificing some bit of the expectations for immediate functionality
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44497 #44522 04:57 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Ok thanks. I'm not worried about the legal aspect right now... we're doing this as a "between friends" kind of transaction. No legal rights will be transferred and from the law's perspective it would just be a sale of a digital collectable, were anyone to inquire. Our main concern is keeping costs down and saving time
  • Backtreon could solve that... But the product is far from ready for third party use
  • @krostue #44524 05:05 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    that name is so awkward tho
  • @krostue #44525 05:05 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    lol
  • @Superart ↶ Reply to #44520 #44526 05:07 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    BTC pay server works, I would just need to do the CP portion manually.
  • @Superart #44527 05:07 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    If I do eBay, I lose 20% in fees.
  • @Superart #44528 05:08 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Then the money is stuck in PayPal
  • Last I heard they were using bitsplit.... https://github.com/tokenly/bitsplit
    tokenly/bitsplit

    Cryptocurrency token distributor and payment routing application - tokenly/bitsplit

  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44497 #44530 06:28 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Another question: we plan on distributing units of our asset as shares in a farm that we own. Every holder would be entitled to our farm's produce in proportion to the amount of units they'd purchased (and hold at the time). Our initial thought was for each holder to sign a message with the private key of their address and we would then check that address's balance and distribute accordingly. How does that sound?
  • @krostue ↶ Reply to #44527 #44531 06:35 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    in the old days, some ebay auctions could demand money orders only. no personal checks or otherwise. ive tried to state bitcoin accepted as payment, and the listings get removed

    as for fees, take that into consideration when pricing. most retailers do.

    Incorporating this fee into the price there, then offering it cheaper on your own sure is one way to reach a buying market. best case scenario the username of your eBay store matches your domain name for full online brand
  • @Superart #44532 06:37 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Right. We were looking at ways of making it accessible to fiat spenders. That might be one way. I still want a direct btc option though.
  • I would do the following 1.) Setup a dispenser to sell tokens (shares in your farm)...... 2.) Pay out dividends to your token holders monthly or quarterly using the dividends function built into counterparty.... I see no need for users to verify ownership of their farm... what you really care about is if they hold your token, and the dividend function takes into account all the holders of your token and pays them out what you specify per unit.... it is how BITCORNS and MAFIACASH are distributed.... BITCORNS each quarter to all holders of CROPS... MAFIACASH each month to holders of the 5 family tokens (BONANNO, COLOMBO, GAMBINO, GENOVESE, LUCCHEESE)
  • @jdogresorg #44534 07:06 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Example dividend transaction : https://xchain.io/tx/1470094
  • Sounds similar to another project I know of. BitFarms
  • @Superart #44536 07:15 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Is there a good writeup/tutorial on setting up a dispenser
  • @Superart #44537 07:16 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    A dispenser is the same thing as a "vending machine", right?
  • Yes.... you send BTC to the dispenser... you get a token credited to the address which sent the BTC
  • Currently there is no real documentation for dispensers beyond the API docs..... pretty straightforward to set one up in counterwallet tho..
  • @jdogresorg #44542 07:50 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    wampwum recently created some notes on dispensers at https://etherpad.net/p/dispenser
  • @jdogresorg #44543 07:50 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    here is a link to the API docs for dispensers... https://counterparty.io/docs/api/#create_dispenser
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44533 #44544 07:51 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    (1) we're selling units of an xcp asset for fiat, so would a dispenser still be a desirable solution? (2) So if I understand this correctly, for the dividend feature to work as you're describing I would need to issue two assets: farm token and dividend token. Each holder of the farm token would get on monthly/quarterly basis units of the dividend token in proportion to the amount of farm token they hold. Let's say then that our farm produced 500 kg of dates and we would like to distribute those dates to holders. How do we verify who gets how much? They would pay with the dividend token? I'm not sure I understand. Also, wouldn't using the dividend feature also add more Bitcoin txs to the equation? Our initial thought was to keep the Bitcoin txs to a minimum, hence just requiring holders to sign messages and we would figure out the rest... Regardless I will test the dividends feature out...
  • @104473096 #44545 07:53 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    signature would be ok in this scenario as the asset you're delivering isn't a digital one
  • @104473096 #44546 07:53 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    jdog's suggestion is more appropiate for purely digital assets
  • @104473096 #44547 07:55 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    i.e. if you want to verify that a user asking for their produce to be delivered to a specific place, you would just need:
    1) the physical address,
    2) a signature of that physical address to verify, and
    3) the bitcoin address that's signing the previous, so you can confirm the signature
  • @jdogresorg #44548 07:55 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    dividend is ONE bitcoin transaction... and it pays out to ALL holders of a token... and you can pay out any token you want.... in your example, you could issue FARMSHARES token and sell to people however you want (fiat, dispenser, etc).... you could then issue 500 FARMDATES token and pay it out via dividends..... to calculate price_per_unit, you would simply divide 500 FARMDATES / Total FARMSHARES..... say you had 100 FARMSHARE tokens and your farm made 500 FARMDATES... 500 / 100 = 5.... your price_per_unit would be 5.... for every 1 FARMSHARES token held, the holder would get 5 FARMDATES
  • @jdogresorg #44549 07:58 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    here is an example of a BITCORNS dividend.... it is only ONE bitcoin transaction, but all 483 holders of CROPS were paid dividends using this one transaction. https://xchain.io/tx/1464517
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44548 #44550 08:05 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    That's actually a cool idea, as we have a variety of stuff we would distribute to our holders: tickets to events on our land, beer we brew, horse rides etc. Would that work? A separate dividend token corresponding to different products?
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44550 #44551 08:07 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Would each holder "pay" using the dividend token to get a particular product? Wouldn't that be another Bitcoin transaction on the holder's side?
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44545 #44552 08:08 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    It's the most intuitive one...
  • remember that any asset you distribute can immediatly be transferred or sold on the DEX
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44547 #44554 08:09 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Yes, we'd look up the address and see its balance and pay out accordingly. Correct?
  • @104473096 #44555 08:10 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    would it be in person? you would definitively need to ask a signature to verify they control the private key
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44553 #44556 08:10 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    What are the implications of that?
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44555 #44557 08:11 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Not necessarily. Just a message signed with the address' private key e.g. "hi this is John doe" <sig>
  • @104473096 #44558 08:11 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    i'm user A, i get a ticket for an event, your event is hot af and ppl wanna go, but only token holders have been paid the tickets.... i however, can sell one of them to anyone for the tidy sum of 1 BTC
  • @104473096 #44559 08:11 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    i get 1 BTC and you get someone that isn't a token holder into the event
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44558 #44560 08:13 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Ahah. On the dex? EVENTTOKEN for BTC? Is that possible? I thought the dex was just xcp enabled, no?
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44559 #44561 08:13 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Yes, That's the intention
  • @104473096 #44562 08:14 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    a dispenser can get you BTC, and you can also do OTC no problem
  • @syg541 #44563 08:14 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Ok. This is very enlightening. I'm gonna have to do some homework. Thank you 🙏
  • I've thought for a long time that counterparty could be great for Farm CSAs and meat shares. Seems like you could sell tokens for Farm members, and the regularly issue dividends that are some sort of points that people could use to "buy" the produce they want, which could be priced in the token that gets sent out via dividend. Like buying a whole cow and issuing 100 BEEFBUCKS to each of the 10 owners of BEEFSHARE (maybe a subasset of that so you could specify each new time you harvested an animal.) Now you have all the owners with equal buying power, but may prioritize their Beefbucks differently... 1 lb of ribeye may cost 3 bucks while 1lb of ground is only 1buck, etc. Same with more expensive or less expensive produce in a CSA. I know from experience that it's tricky to work out this distribution in a typical meat share...who gets the nice cuts and who gets the tough cuts, and how much
  • So post your order on the DEX or setup a dispenser... no reason to post your "Selling XCP" messages here except to try and scam people.... no one is going to do an OTC trade with you.
  • @Superart #44571 10:49 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    So with the dispenser, you set a price for the token in BTC, right? So the USD value of that token will be variable.
  • @krostue #44572 10:49 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Why so focused on usd?
  • @Superart #44573 10:50 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Like if I set my dispenser to send one TOKEN for .001BTC, every time someone deposits .001BTC he gets a token to that address. The USD price of that will be constantly changing.
  • @krostue #44574 10:50 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    It already is
  • @Superart #44576 10:51 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Because we want the token to be valued at a certain dollar amount.
  • @krostue #44577 10:51 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    With every buy and sell on the open market
  • @krostue ↶ Reply to #44576 #44578 10:51 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Sounds both difficult and illegal.
  • @Superart ↶ Reply to #44578 #44579 10:51 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Why?
  • @Superart #44580 10:52 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Overstock sells bedsheets for $X usd. Even if you pay in Bitcoin, the price of your bedsheets is still $X usd.
  • @Superart #44581 10:53 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    BTC pay server does this automatically. If your price for a widget is $5, it will issue an invoice for $5 USD worth of bitcoin.
  • @krostue #44582 10:54 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    If you want to store your value in USD you should just use USD. if you would like to enter the new paradigm of utilizing crypto to the fullest extent then you will realize the store of value is within the redemption of the tokens you issue pounds of goat meat or gallons of goat milk whatever it is
  • @Superart #44583 10:54 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    I want to store value in BTC, but denominate price in USD.
  • @104473096 #44584 10:55 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Then prolly a dispenser isn't a good fit for you
  • @104473096 #44585 10:56 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    I would even consider if even digital tokens are necessary... On our ultra tokenized economy we like to push squares through circles a lot
  • @104473096 #44586 10:56 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Maybe what you need is just a payment processor
  • @104473096 #44587 10:56 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    And a database
  • @Superart ↶ Reply to #44585 #44590 11:01 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    The digital token is what we are selling. Basically it is a pepe, but with a physical grafiti art piece as the image instead of a digital from.
  • @Superart ↶ Reply to #44587 #44591 11:02 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Yea, that is the tentative solution right now. Use BTC Pay Server as the payment processor. That outputs a database of addresses that we would then have to manually send our token to
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44548 #44592 11:05 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    How will the FARMDATE holder get dates? Does he send me FARMDATEs as payment in exchange for dates ? Isn't that another Bitcoin tx? Or would he conversely keep the FARMDATEs (and instead just sign a message proving ownership). Either way, what's the advantage?
  • @jdogresorg #44593 11:09 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    If your holders are already holding a token in their wallet addresses (like FARMDATE), then you can pay a dividend directly to holders of FARMDATE using a single bitcoin tx.... Not sure of your exact model, but basically IF your users are ALREADY holding a token in their wallet, you can use a dividend to pay out to holders.... otherwise, you will need to use some other method which will probably entail sending out tokens individually...... I encourage you to mess around with dividends on testnet and get familiar with them.... they might not be a good match for you... but based on what your saying "wanting to pay DATES to holders of a FARMDATE token", it seems like dividends are the most logical/cheapest way to distribute your dividends... since everythign is done in a single bitcoin tx instead of a bitcoin tx PER holder.
  • @Superart ↶ Reply to #44593 #44594 11:13 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Yea, but in this case, DATES are actually physical dates that are grown on trees. So maybe he can have the holders of FARMTOKEN broadcast out a message with their mailing address from the BTC address that holds the FARMTOKEN, and he can then mail them their dates to that mailing address.
  • @Superart #44595 11:14 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    probably would want them to encrypt that information since it will be public
  • @jdogresorg #44596 11:19 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Ahhh... physical dates... got ya
  • @Superart #44597 11:19 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    My thing is digital, or rather, a digital representation of a pbysical painting. Similar to MODERNPEPE
  • @1023483012 #44598 11:24 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Hi
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44593 #44599 11:33 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Yes, actual physical dates 🌴. They are tasty and nutritious, especially the halawi strain (which we don't cultivate - yet, but we make a mean Ethiopian honey beer and host events). And we have a community of people who want to support us and the dividend idea is strong - I like the fact that it can be used as a currency, but again the question is: say I'm giving away a bottle of beer in exchange for 5 DIVIDENDTOKEN I would need the token to be sent to me for the exchange to happen. DIVIDENDTOKEN in my eyes is a coupon, it would behave as a currency. Which would also save us manually updating our database (who got what when). But if for each individual exchange a Bitcoin tx is required then that's a hindrance... people would have to be holding BTC in their wallets as well...I hopefully will get around to testnet some time soon to learn more...
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44564 #44600 11:35 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    Precisely my friend. This is our vision (just instead of beef - beer, fruit, horse rides, events)
  • @Superart ↶ Reply to #44599 #44601 11:44 PM, 14 Nov 2019
    You can send out DIVIDENDTOKEN to all of the users of FARMTOKEN as one massive single transaction. Then they can "cash in" their DIVIDENDTOKEN to claim their beer. The "cashing in" would each have to be an individual transaction though.
  • 15 November 2019 (12 messages)
  • @krostue #44604 02:50 AM, 15 Nov 2019
    Fruition comes to those who know what a plant needs. Animal husbandry varies by each specie's demands.
    Again, there are ways to use the existing system to grow your project, instead of trying to inject your ideas forcefully.
    I would like to assist you with a plan of action instead of theoretical advice. Please feel free to contact me with details
  • New wallet
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44601 #44608 10:58 AM, 15 Nov 2019
    Each "cashing in" being an individual transaction is an issue...we want to eliminate Bitcoin transactions as much as possible. We'll probably do a combination of message signing and manual bookkeeping to keep track of holder activity...
  • What is XCP?
  • 1BTC = 1BTC
  • @krostue #44614 03:14 PM, 15 Nov 2019
    can ontological roadmaps overcome intellectual roadblocks?
  • @Superart ↶ Reply to #44613 #44626 10:32 PM, 15 Nov 2019
    Right. I don't want to denominate in BTC though. I think denominating in BTC will make it harder to sell to non crypto people.
  • @Superart #44628 10:35 PM, 15 Nov 2019
    I am targeting this at the general art demographic. Not crypto people.
  • @jdogresorg #44631 11:44 PM, 15 Nov 2019
    FYI, I just pushed up some updates to xchain which should make dispensers easier to understand and use 🙂
  • @jdogresorg #44632 11:44 PM, 15 Nov 2019
    Including seeing the BTC payment to a dispenser, and a list of all the tokens dispensed related to that BTC payment.
  • 16 November 2019 (32 messages)
  • So non crypto people are going to buy a counterparty asset with fiat?
  • @RonaldRubber #44636 12:05 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    It may be hard for someone that doesn’t know how to use btc to understand how to receive a counterparty asset
  • @Superart ↶ Reply to #44635 #44637 12:10 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    No, they will be using crypto. I just want the price denominated in USD
  • @Superart #44638 12:15 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    So I want to price the token at $10. That could be .001BTC today, or .002BTC tomorrow. I'd like the satoshi value to be variable.
  • @krostue ↶ Reply to #44638 #44641 02:23 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    On repeat, yet not willing to listen?
  • @krostue #44642 02:24 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    What are you growing on your farm, $10 bills?
  • @Superart #44643 02:30 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    Artistic tokens, valued at $10
  • You gotta price it in btc
  • @Superart #44645 02:53 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    So what happens when the price spikes, I gotta tell people to pay $100?
  • @raretruck #44646 03:28 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    Supply and command
  • @Superart #44647 03:40 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    People want to spend $10 on a token. They don't want to spend a mystery amount.
  • @krostue #44648 04:39 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    then cancel the dispenser and make a new one.
  • @krostue #44649 04:40 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    10x isnt happening overnight, repeatedly.
  • @krostue ↶ Reply to #44643 #44650 04:46 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    if the value is pegged at ten united states dollars, then it is no longer art, and now a financial instrument without a license.
  • @krostue #44651 04:46 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    I thought that there was a discussion about a farm, trees and fruit.

    I am more interested in a whole counterparty asset being redeemable 1:1 as a date. This is the ultimate store of value you can provide in the structure intended.
  • @krostue #44652 04:48 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    of course you have to let the consumer/invester know that this virtual date can only be obtained by investing in the tree and redeemable only during the season when available
  • @krostue #44653 04:48 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    afaik, backing a good with a token is ok in most cases/places.
  • @GusGrillasca #44654 04:55 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    Check out how we're implementing dispensers.
    Just go to artolin.io and change the payment token to BTC
  • @krostue #44656 04:56 AM, 16 Nov 2019
    nice!
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #44655 #44667 02:16 PM, 16 Nov 2019
    I like it. It’s a very nice design.
  • @benchbtc ↶ Reply to #44654 #44668 03:25 PM, 16 Nov 2019
    shopping spree incoming
  • @benchbtc #44669 03:25 PM, 16 Nov 2019
  • @benchbtc #44670 03:28 PM, 16 Nov 2019
    this first page is beautiful, i love all the little facts that are typed and highlighted and deleted
  • @benchbtc #44671 03:29 PM, 16 Nov 2019
    i have company this weekend but I dunno why i needed dispensers to get on your site but I'm gonna get all up in this tomorrow or monday
  • @970162879 #44674 05:25 PM, 16 Nov 2019
    Hi
  • @GusGrillasca #44675 05:28 PM, 16 Nov 2019
    Thx Xcer @wampum
  • Don't forget to try out the create asset feature which incorporates an original protocol uploading files to ipfs
  • @Superart ↶ Reply to #44650 #44679 06:41 PM, 16 Nov 2019
    The value isn't pegged. That's just the selling price. When they sell a Dale Earnhardt commemorative wall plate, they sell it at a certain price. That doesn't make it a financial instrument.
  • @krostue #44681 07:28 PM, 16 Nov 2019
    You are right on all cases. I digress
  • @krostue #44682 07:34 PM, 16 Nov 2019
    I thought you were here for help. I was trying to explain a different viewpoint to you as a way of helping. But it seems every time I do, you correct me. This kind of circular logic I feel is an entrapment. Therefore I will no longer be adding to your conversation unless questions are directly asked to me regarding your what-ifs
  • You really should list your xcp assets for a fixed btc price. If you wanna use a dollar denomination you should check out Etsy
  • 17 November 2019 (39 messages)
  • @syg541 #44692 08:51 AM, 17 Nov 2019
    Hi, I'm getting this error trying to create an asset. Any ideas?
  • Do you have BTC on the address?
  • @syg541 #44694 09:14 AM, 17 Nov 2019
    Yes. Is it because the BTC burn is pending?
  • hmm, BTC isn't burnt in the process, on sent to the miners as a tx fee. 0.5 XCP is burnt, but you have enough to work with for sure. Maybe you accidentally used your address #1?
  • @c0rnh0li0 #44697 09:24 AM, 17 Nov 2019
    I just tried to create an asset using freewallet on my phone and it’s just spinning too.
  • @c0rnh0li0 #44698 09:24 AM, 17 Nov 2019
    There must be something up with CP right now.
  • @syg541 #44699 09:27 AM, 17 Nov 2019
    Yes. Just spinning
  • @syg541 #44700 09:28 AM, 17 Nov 2019
    (I'm on testnet)
  • I get errors like this constantly on counterwallet. Typically I just try the transaction 10 to 20 times and it eventually works. I don’t think these JSON errors are real.
  • @483911280 #44704 01:13 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    I don’t know how to get rid of the insufficient btc errors
  • @wayway3 #44705 01:16 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    Is it that easy to create an asset
  • @wayway3 #44710 01:27 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    Probably some update
  • @wayway3 #44711 01:34 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    This is hot
  • Yes, it's very easy- you can also check out the freeport chrome extension to easily create a numerical asset using only bitcoin
  • @529335952 #44714 01:39 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    Easier than ethereum! and with dispensers, you have the whole btc ecosystem accessible to your token
  • Beleive it's just timeouts esp with parsing BTC balances, but it's all there and works fine
  • @wayway3 #44716 01:43 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    Wow thank you so much for the info h
  • @wayway3 #44717 01:43 PM, 17 Nov 2019
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44703 #44718 01:57 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    It's only when I put in the url of the .json file that lists the details of the asset in the description do I get this error
  • @syg541 #44719 01:57 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    {"image":"https://github.com/factotum-b/test/blob/master/0b963a67-5c16-4d98-b9aa-1c8d057360bb.jpg","asset":"SHIMON","description":"TEST","website":"","pgpsig":""}
    factotum-b/test

    Contribute to factotum-b/test development by creating an account on GitHub.

  • @syg541 #44720 01:58 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    if I just put "blah blah" in the description then it lets me create the asset
  • @syg541 #44721 01:59 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    Am I doing this right?
  • The answer I heard around counterwallet is issues is buy a full access token and use free wallet.
  • That url is too long
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44725 #44726 04:56 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    The image url or the .json url? What's the limit?
  • @104473096 #44727 04:57 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    Very short
  • @104473096 #44728 04:57 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    Don't recall rn
  • @529335952 #44729 05:01 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    140 chars or something
  • @529335952 #44730 05:02 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    or is that twitter? maybe 120
  • @529335952 #44731 05:04 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    or 32 charz even
  • @syg541 #44736 07:43 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    using coindaddy
  • @syg541 #44737 07:44 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    freewallet mobile is difficult to use on firefox
  • @syg541 #44738 07:44 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    receive doesn't work
  • @syg541 #44739 07:45 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    i'm using a segwit address
  • @syg541 #44740 07:45 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    tb1....
  • @jdogresorg #44741 07:55 PM, 17 Nov 2019
    Ya freewallet doesn’t support segwit addresses yet... best to use counterwallet if u want to use segwit addresses.
  • 18 November 2019 (4 messages)
  • @jdogresorg #44757 03:54 PM, 18 Nov 2019
    The limit is 100 characters in the image url... there is also a schema validator on that page so you can validate your JSON formatting is valid before you use it in an asset.
  • @syg541 ↶ Reply to #44756 #44760 07:18 PM, 18 Nov 2019
    Turns out it had nothing to do with description length. The segwit address was the problem
  • @syg541 #44761 07:19 PM, 18 Nov 2019
    Used legacy address and it worked, though I need to change the description to raw .json file
  • 19 November 2019 (3 messages)
  • @syg541 #44768 12:57 PM, 19 Nov 2019
    anyone have some testnet coins they can throw my way: mnE18AaCLxxFuU3YKuqK1LwGnzKczNHZkF ?
  • Blockstream Block Explorer

    Blockstream Explorer is an open source block explorer providing detailed blockchain data across Bitcoin, Testnet, and Liquid. Supports Tor and tracking-free.

  • @syg541 #44777 07:08 PM, 19 Nov 2019
    🙏👌
  • 20 November 2019 (49 messages)
  • @qasmocb #44804 10:12 AM, 20 Nov 2019
    whats happening to XCP?
  • @qasmocb #44805 10:13 AM, 20 Nov 2019
    project still alive?
  • @762394925 #44806 12:00 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    No one here wants to work on the platform just brag about how their on the plat. Is all that suits these folks here.
  • @762394925 #44807 12:01 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    This has the potential to save the planet... But
  • @762394925 #44808 12:01 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    Trading cards are cooler... I guess.
  • @762394925 #44809 12:03 PM, 20 Nov 2019
  • @762394925 #44810 12:03 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    Did we not learn anything from Captain planet?!?!?!?!
  • @762394925 #44811 12:06 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    The world needs help the UN along with TWLF just recognized our Project and is encouraging us to move forward
  • @762394925 #44812 12:06 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    As they need our developing Technology
  • @762394925 #44813 12:07 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    So if we can get any one of you to recognize and work with us on this project then we all would be beneficial from and of it.
  • @762394925 #44814 12:09 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    I am doing my bes to be civil i am a Taurus and find it difficult to convince people through manipulation i only know how to convey facts.
  • @762394925 #44815 12:09 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    So there it is with no smoke up the ass...
  • @762394925 #44816 12:09 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    We need help to get this tech public ready!!!
  • @762394925 #44817 12:09 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    The entire planet is waiting
  • @762394925 #44818 12:12 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    Any developers wanting to know more about this project please contact me @dr.shalamalak.khabael@gmail.com or visionlifestudios@gmail.com
    Please when emailing let me know from where you are answering.
    Please thank you and True Peace!
  • Right on
  • Creating assets has never been the problem, the issue is getting those who develop to comprehend that the public needs more apps. For commercial and retail access.
  • @762394925 #44821 12:35 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    Im just a messenger... I hope this doesn't fall upon Deaf ears.
  • Yes, the project is still alive and running fine. We recently put out a new release with a new feature called dispensers. You can see the activity on counterparty at xchain.io, and verify that there are Counterparty transactions being processed almost every block.
  • If you would like to propose an improvement for Counterparty, I suggest you read about how to do so via a Counterparty Improvement Proposal (CIP). You can read more about CIPs at https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips
    GitHub - CounterpartyXCP/cips: Counterparty Improvement Proposals

    Counterparty Improvement Proposals. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/cips development by creating an account on GitHub.

  • Awesome, TY!
  • @jdogresorg #44831 03:30 PM, 20 Nov 2019
  • @qasmocb ↶ Reply to #44824 #44832 05:43 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    thanks mate. any updates on getting back on exchanges?
  • @jdogresorg #44833 05:45 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    I am not involved in any exchange outreach at this time.... I believe that XCP is still listed on zaif and chainrift.com.
  • @krostue #44834 05:46 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    what is that p2p app that was confirmed working as well? i cannot remember the name
  • @benchbtc ↶ Reply to #44833 #44835 05:52 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    yeah at this point I don't even understand the purpose of 'exchange outreach' since we got an exchange you can sign up with with only an email address and literally no one is trading on it..
  • @benchbtc #44836 05:53 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    I mean i have orders in but their hasn't been any volume
  • Bisq?
  • @krostue #44838 05:53 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    yus. thnx :D
  • @483911280 #44839 05:54 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    i think Counterparty needs a token backed by gold mines that can be used to buy cars and goods. Anyone know of a project like this? @WorldMinister?
  • @483911280 #44840 05:55 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    I would offer XCP liquidity, but the market price is too low
  • @benchbtc #44841 05:56 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    the spread is yuge true, someone did one trade on pepecash and xcp recently and both we panic sells into xtremely low bids
  • Since dispensers were released there's no need for xcp to be listed in any exchange imo
  • @benchbtc ↶ Reply to #44846 #44847 06:44 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    if you want to trade it for the sake of trading it/speculate you still need a centralized exchange at this point to have a true 'orderbook' - but yes I understand your point
  • @benchbtc ↶ Reply to #44842 #44848 06:44 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    but for example you cannot use a dispenser to escrow BTC and had low bids for XCP like we see happened here
  • @benchbtc #44849 06:45 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    someone got XCP for 25% of the last trading price since the liquidity is so low and the bid support is essentially non-existant
  • True
  • @benchbtc ↶ Reply to #44848 #44851 06:46 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    you can however ladder sell XCP with multiple dispensers creating a 'order book like' ask side
  • @qasmocb #44852 06:48 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    xcp wont grow unless its on exchanges. people wont know about it otherwise
  • #Nomni #Soverigncoin #Nibirureserve is on the UN SDG#27655 here you can read about it
  • @762394925 #44858 07:17 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    They also recently announced our security status as The Unnsc United Nations New Securities Council.
  • @762394925 #44859 07:20 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    So who and why Lawee is Blocked he works hard AF on this platform for hum not to have a say is not right yo.
  • @762394925 #44860 07:21 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    were working towards the betterment of humanity
  • @762394925 #44861 07:22 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    Excuse my passion but we all know and see the clock keeps ticking...
  • @Superart #44862 08:08 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    Are ypu saying that The United nations has officially recognized the counterparty project for something?
  • Croptions
  • @raretruck #44881 10:51 PM, 20 Nov 2019
    .gold
  • 21 November 2019 (19 messages)
  • @483911280 #44884 03:26 AM, 21 Nov 2019
    I’m back in charge of bitcorns.
  • @benchbtc #44885 03:31 AM, 21 Nov 2019
    when UN recognition?
  • @483911280 #44886 03:36 AM, 21 Nov 2019
    Bitcorn is government backed
  • @483911280 #44887 03:47 AM, 21 Nov 2019
    The bitcorn foundation has pivoted
  • @483911280 #44888 03:48 AM, 21 Nov 2019
    Forked from Counterparty to Venmo
  • facts, put lawee back in this thang
  • @krostue #44890 03:57 AM, 21 Nov 2019
    Why does he not start a room of his own?
  • @krostue #44891 03:58 AM, 21 Nov 2019
    I got banned from @counterparty for saying there is "actual help in the other room"
    So I made my own
  • Something else
  • I’d like to see a new wallet that has full access for the DEx for both desktop and cellphone versions. An updated interface from what’s available from counterwallet or freewallet is needed.
  • @c0rnh0li0 #44900 11:40 AM, 21 Nov 2019
    Is Lawee supposed to be Larry?
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #44819 #44902 04:34 PM, 21 Nov 2019
    This is already built by John. Every current and future url on the planet and beyond has a btc wallet that cp tokens can be shot at.

    Www.alphanumericals.com
  • @c0rnh0li0 #44905 05:27 PM, 21 Nov 2019
    Why does it say 3 years ago Xcer?
  • @XCERXCP ↶ Reply to #44905 #44909 06:27 PM, 21 Nov 2019
    Some bugs on the comments and photos part
  • @jdogresorg #44910 06:29 PM, 21 Nov 2019
    don't lie! Your a timetraveler and we caught you red-handed 😛
  • @benchbtc #44911 06:30 PM, 21 Nov 2019
  • @CSTATMAN #44912 08:25 PM, 21 Nov 2019
    Lol
  • 28 November 2019 (2 messages)
  • @c0rnh0li0 #44999 09:54 PM, 28 Nov 2019
    Some large sends from 1AhAExgxS6aVRdKdyEuC5M4v6dxdzdgTaq including 220,179 XCP and 228,180,046 PEPECASH today. Does anyone know, is this ZAIF?
  • It me