- 21 February 2024 (56 messages)
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I am having this error while creating an order, any solution please
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Well I tried those actions many times even I Logout the wallet and input the phrase again but this issue still resists
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Can we see your order, I’m curious what the 0 is.
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@droplister check dms ser 👀
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thanks
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Banging away at performance: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib/pull/1437Replace `bitcoinlib` by `block_parser` to deserialize transaction by ouziel-slama · Pull Request #1437 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib
Simpler, faster (uses dicts instead of classes) and well tested with kickstart. This will allow for cleaner code by using the same functions everywhere and improve the kickstart speed by 10% (this ...
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Got fixed finally, don’t know how but been trying again and again
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I doubt it can be done with BTC
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Indeed, the community owes a debt of gratitude to the inimitable Derp Herpenstein.
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For the curious: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/discussions/134PSBT Support via attaching assets to UTXOs · CounterpartyXCP/cips · Discussion #134
CIP: XXX Title: PSBT Support via attaching assets to UTXOs Author: Derp Herpenstein Discussions-To: ?? Status: Draft Type: ?? Created: 2024-1-26 Definitions PSBT - Partially signed bitcoin transact...
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🙏🙏
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...and Ordinals
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Someone’s casually dropping a bombshell here!
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i was asking about this, back in 2017 i think
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https://www.hazama.indiesquare this is down now but it was something related to that
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Definitely not an original idea. All I did was put together the high level concept for how to make it work with counterparty assets.
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If I’m not mistaken, colored coins did something like this a long time ago
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We're all Derp.
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i also think @hodlencoinfield has a similar idea last year.
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I just want to see counterparty be the number 1 use case on Bitcoin
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but ser we're only following in Ordinals footsteps
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I also think we can have txs be 1/10 thé cost and paid for in XCP with a witness data based layer 1 rollup, but the details on that aren’t as clear yet
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I hear that one day they may even have a dex
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In 300 lines of code, counterparty could have and x*y>=k automatic market maker that doesn’t require a custodian
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The math is simple and there’s many implementations to work from
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The biggest sticking point would be designing a system to mitigate sandwich based MEV, but there are certainly ways to do it
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Wow, that would be a great opportunity to roll-out the new logo.
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@mikeinspace need a post office in there.
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yes! would love to hear your design for this when it's ready :)
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https://twitter.com/brian_trollz/status/1760338060745625746?t=yMvptbtnk2o4RXspejuBwg&s=19
Covered by Bitcoin Magazine -
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/press-releases/bitcoin-magazine-editorial-policy-on-bitcoin-layer-2s-l2sBitcoin Magazine Editorial Policy On Bitcoin Layer 2s
Bitcoin Magazine's editorial policy concerning coverage of layer two protocols built on the Bitcoin network.
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For sure an interesting article
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I see the stacks guys full blown in defence over this statement
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Would this potentially open up the dex to ordinals too or would it be something else entirely?
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so funny, the core devs used to deride counterparty as a parasite protocol
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So by definition CounterParty is valid for Bitcoin Magazine coverage.
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lightening also a valid L2
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Potentially. Need some insight from PSBT power users on how to accomplish something like that. It’s a bit over my head at this point
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Funny the guy who invented ivermectin in which kills parasites was named satoshi
- 22 February 2024 (53 messages)
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This would be insane
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Apparently it also kills your sperm
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Ivermectin VS Sperm: 3 Disturbing Studies On Decreased Sperm Counts, Decreased Sperm Motility & Increased % Abnormal Sperm Post-Ivermectin
Bad signs for Ivermectin's effects on male fertility!
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There is no virus brother
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I wonder, if there was an ability to turn an asset back into xcp, if that would be a positive feature
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Probably not
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Typing out loud
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How would that be different from the DEX
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I think he means if you issued an asset, you can return it back for XCP
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That's why there is AI
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Trading of asset names would be fun
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Like a big slot machine?
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Ha basically
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The dispenser owner would be able fill the dispenser with multiple cards
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Haha yeah. Wishing I had more xcp rn
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Do you want to buy my Mesothelioma asset
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Hi all, we are making really good progress on performance, but are being tripped up by a few things. In particular, in 9.61 a feature was added that allows a dispense to be triggered by every tx output: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib/pull/1222
This feature, *by design*, has extremely severe implications on performance. As it was released quite recently, we would like to know who is using it, and whether it'd cause a furor if we removed it in order to drastically increase parsing speed.
I know not everyone who uses Counterparty lives on Telegram or this particular channel at least, so please ask around. Thanks!allow triggering of dispensers by all tx outputs, not just the first output by pataegrillo · Pull Request #1222 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-libCounterparty Protocol Reference Implementation. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Is that this? https://www.xcp.dev/tx/81ad764fcc147623df3a927f3323b9ca87154951f4b3617189d8c8c63fb4123e
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I think so. This feature just came to my attention today, so it'd be good if someone else more familiar with it could confirm.
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It requires us to run the extremely expensive is_dispensible() call on *every tx output*
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Outside of what appears to be one person, I have not noticed it being used.
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ok tyvm
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really appreciate it. if you find anyone else using it please post here!
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New feature rolled out in October 2023
https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib/pull/1222allow triggering of dispensers by all tx outputs, not just the first output by pataegrillo · Pull Request #1222 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-libCounterparty Protocol Reference Implementation. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib development by creating an account on GitHub.
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alright cool. Will wait for dispenser guru @Niftyboss1 to weigh in.
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yeah :/
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I’ve experimented with this feature, and I know only 2 buyers who have been using it a few times, but if it’s such a performance disaster, i think disabling it makes great sense!
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In the Freewallet Support chat..... I would say almost no people we speak with have used this feature.... I kinda didnt even know it existed.... (and we've been publicly solving/documenting issues in there for about 6 months now)
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I'd argue that if a CIP wasn't included to add it and very few people are using it then having a CIP to remove it is... overkill.
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nono i mean having a CIP to formally discuss it.... should have happened in the first place
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though with Dan's new proof of concept website for XCP functions it does seem like there is a few of these functions in the protocol that basically never get used.... for instance the historical "Rock Paper Scissors" function:
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yeah xcp.io is super cool 🙂
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really appreciate everyone weighing in so quickly. super helpful!
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'the' is doing a lot of work here lol
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definitely _a_ problem. worth noting that I got up to block 700k in 12 hours yesterday!
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knowing RobotLoveCoffee is looking into this (and makes amazing tutorials) I can easily see a future that if getting a node up is easier and has good easy documentation on how to do so...... MANY MANY of the people (especially OG's) in the community will happily start running a node
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Adam's a weirdo who gets a distinct aesthetic pleasure out of a clean issues backlog lol.
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when he would do it at our company people would say he was trimming his bonzai tree
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us users get a distinct aesthetic pleasure out of it too
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ah it's so great that people are watching GH!
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Okay slightly different question: what's the use-case for allowing a tx output other than the 1st one to trigger a dispense?
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i would assume it would be cheaper dispenses by multi-sending BTC to multiple places instead of sending BTC individually
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sorry, it's the difference between 'any' and 'all'
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as of 9.61 _all_ tx outputs could trigger a dispense but before than any (one(?)) tx output could trigger a dispense.
- 23 February 2024 (196 messages)
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When the api went down month or two ago I’ve had a few stamps I can’t access bc they are on address two of a wallet. Imported into a few diff wallets but only shows wallet 1. Anyone have any thoughts?
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all I am really looking to do is access and transfer
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how i can put the image of icon in my asset?
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i was trying change the xcp icon to change the XCP icon for my logo
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but idk how to do it in Testnet
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Ummm.. this sounds like the cart tool
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Triggering more then 1 Dispenser with 1 TX?
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I vote kill it if it’s slowing you guys down and only being used by a handful of users.
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I don't think a cip is necessary to remove it. A github issue is sufficient imo.
It was implemented under the assumption of NOT increasing parsing time, which turns out to be false.
https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib/issues/1148Just 1st dispenser dispenses when batch-sending sats to multiple dispensers · Issue #1148 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-libThis is the transaction (generated with a simple blue wallet) https://blockstream.info/tx/11eb2b730e2e383a657c51d7b04bd55271d1e86ac9a2c74d3e3f6c78e88e23ff where correct exact sats were sent to 5 di...
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but this has been working for ages right?
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you can send to multiple dispensers using electrum "pay to many" send function.
address, amount
address, amount
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Apparently the dispenser logic only read the first output of a tx before
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It seems backwards to me
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If a wallet has an incoming transaction, you’d think it wouldn’t matter where it’s located within a transaction
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Ouziel says this is not the case.
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So you’ve been the buyer using it? (I would have guessed that)
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Since the beginning he said that _any_ output could trigger a dispense.
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recently ?
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but since 9.61 _all_ outputs could trigger one.
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Yeah, someone has been sweeping dispensers using multiple outputs in one tx
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message me
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It'd certainly increase performance if we could restrict it to only the first output, but could cause problems for wallets that work around the API e.g.
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in principle we could do some fancy tx construction stuff to have only the 1st output trigger a dispense but I think it'd always be possible to work around that, so it could result in something tantamount to 'rugspenser'
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to everyone who is having a coffee right now, here is a good read:
https://github.com/stampchain-io/stamps/blob/main/OLGA.md
i am very bulish to be honest, i love the idea and my merits goes for cip33 artefacts 🙏🔥stamps/OLGA.md at main · stampchain-io/stampsContribute to stampchain-io/stamps development by creating an account on GitHub.
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If dispensers had been designed from day 1 only to check the first tx output it'd be a different story, of course...
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BTW, stamps team was not the first to test this tech, and feedbacks came from the people who did. not including prefix of FILE: to be as official is a disrespect to the early adopters. All the data is on BTC anyway, for me the assets with FILE: prefix will always stay the first ones in cip33 fields.
in short words cip33 got attention just because some people released cips33 with file: prefix and shared on-chain results.
show us some respect, or else we will have to create our own parser indexer that would show CORRECT data :)
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Do you think they care about your file prefix
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Do you think i care of what they think lol?
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i "tested" fields with thousands of dollars on mainnet
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because they are first cip33's truly
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Can’t check my settings right now but try changing host4.xchain.io to xchain.io and you should be good
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My view is laissez-faire. I gave the algo to the public domain. It is not like I can (or should) tell people what to do.
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That’s very nice of you
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what comes to your electrum+op_return tool. i have made about 7k transactions using it. i can say it works. just about everytime haha. i can not imagine my life without it
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How can I create an OP_RETURN TX with the Electrum all version support?
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4.3.4 version only
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i use 4.3.4 electrum + https://jpja.github.io/Electrum-Counterparty/
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thanks
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i just dont get the "activation" idea.
its like they will ignore UTXO's lol?
its all about what do we index right?
people are too lazy to verify. they will lazy trust on the words.
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Stamps use the STAMP prefix. If you’re mad about it, start your own indexer.
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then dont write "avtivated"
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Who said they are first? We literally gave credit to JP
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Cool. Then why do you want to be in the 300,000 range of stamps? Be first in your own indexer
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oh i have a lot stamps
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Yeah I even sold you a few and then bought them back from you on scarce city for 1/10th the price. Thanks for that. Flipped a few a second time for even more.
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Well you did go on an angry tirade on the scarce city chat once with no evidence at all
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Anyways, the OLGA activation was to prevent renumbering. No different than data:base64 should those be valid too? Stamps have always had a STAMP prefix. Your stuff uses FILE
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yep but cip33 was coded to use file
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We’re not using CIP33. We forked it with JP’s blessing
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Not even correct. I’m not a coder. Kevin picked the block height as he needs to actually maintain a code base
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And this is actually in your best interest. Why would you want to be stamp #299387 rather than file #1?
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you are right
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Interested to see if anyone is playing around with Slipstream. Craft a transaction with a HUGE OP_RETURN payload? Craft a transaction with bare multsig outputs below the dust limit? A lot of possibilities...
https://x.com/MarathonDH/status/1760760062442627084?s=20Marathon Digital Holdings (NASDAQ: MARA) (@MarathonDH) on XToday’s non-standard transactions often get excluded from the collective mempool, even if they adhere to consensus rules. Via Slipstream, users can submit directly to Marathon, avoid confirmation delays, and expedite its processing onto a public Bitcoin block.
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wow thanks for sharing this
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Funny how XCP just turned 10 and yet we’re still early
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"we're still early" has been tainted by bitcoiners and ethereum(ers?) who say that whenever some clunky UX hiccup causes someone to lose money lol
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We ARE still early.
The amount of full time developers in the space as a whole, the amount of apps and services available across the entire spectrum ... all still in their infancy ... why?
Cos all this is not even 12-13 years old yet....
annoying but true... time is required and while the demand may be NOW, the ability to deliver to that demand is not as high ..
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oh yeah i wasn't trying to get into a whole thing just pointing out a funny sort of knee-jerk reaction that the community has to bad news.
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how are folks arriving at an XCP price exactly at the moment? I see 5.41 posted in freewallet, 8.80 on coinmarketcap based off like 1500 bucks of trading volume on zaif.
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I on dex trade XCP doesn't populate when searched for
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Link
Buy Bitcoin and Crypto, trade over 500+ coins, stake, try demo trading, and get soaked in play2earn games. Welcome to the cryptocurrency exchange of the free
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thanks - on their home page if you just type XCP it doesn't come up
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I’ve noticed that
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Dispensers are probably a good indicator..........I look at the price area where there are the most large dispensers.
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anyone else seeing no dispensers listed on freewallet?
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for XCP
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it looks like the wallet is glitched out ever since I updated
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Link
Detailed insights into Counterparty assets and their activities.
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People are scrambling pepe sell orders to get xcp
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Starting to feel like the dark horse of 2024 🐉
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i am doing this for sure lol
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in 2014 this is not a sentence I anticipated anyone writing.
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pssshhh - who's reporting anything to the IRS.
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BTC ---> XCP (Leveraged BTC) ----> PEPES (Leveraged XCP)
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Though I’m merely trying to distribute for xcp, not really selling anything I only have one of. Opportunity cost would be too high
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the person with 500 XCP dispensing .1 XCP slightly below market - how do you sleep at night? I looked through some of the tx history and the accounts they have transacted with and it appears to be a stamper, no pepe's in the wallet they sent to a few months ago - go figure. Stamps equals scammers.
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Chyyyyna
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If they couldn't sleep at night, they wouldn't be doing it.
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you get that psychology assessment from a guy selling xcp at market prices?
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I think the assertion is they are selling at 10X market prices (by deceptively dispensing .1 XCP instead of 1 XCP).
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so someone is buying xcp at 10x market price?
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As shown above, someone is deceptively selling 0.1 XCP at slightly below the price others are selling 1 XCP.
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I'd be interested to hear if any other people here think that is a convincing explanation of that dispenser.
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your right he's probably a psycho
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Apparently there are a number of psychological disorders in which the person lacks empathy for others, lacks remorse for hurting others, is comfortable telling lies/deceiving others, etc.
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IMHO this explanation (subjective sense of value of an item) is reasonable for an authentic piece of rare art, antique, rare pepe, etc., but not for an essentially fungible currency/commodity like XCP, BTC, gold, etc.
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that dispenser was set up 4 days ago to be exactly below present prices and try to trick someone - no doubt
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Xchain now shows an alert on results pages. Not sure why that alert isn’t shown directly on the dispenser pages. That would solve the issue 99% of the time.
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Could you send a screenshot? I hadn't heard of that.
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it turns yellow doesnt it
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Bitcoin Stamps Meaning | Ledger
Bitcoin stamps define the technique of embedding metadata within Bitcoin transaction outputs.
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>Bitcoin stamps define the technique of embedding metadata within Bitcoin transaction outputs.
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Oh god the misinformation is terrible. It’s often sounds like it was written by ChatGPT
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lol it's all good, important to be able to laugh about this stuff
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Mike are you in contact with Chris Derose at all?
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No
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I believe he’s still on TG, so it’s not like he can’t be contacted
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You were right Munehisa,we shall call the person that set up that dispenser the xcp bandit
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his podcast was the best but been dormant for a few years - does he still have a TG chat? if so you know the name?
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Not that I’m aware of. He went radio silent years ago
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I thought it was called the briar patch or something like that but can't find it
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no the briar patch is the beer gardens at a curling bonspiel
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Yeah that existed at one point. He deleted it
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I was just remembering him and Bitcoin Uncensored. Those guys were entertaining.
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Freewallet doesn't do that when I look at the dispensers. Any idea how this works?
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idk about freewallet, just commenting on xchain
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It works by highlighting any xcp dispenser that isn’t for 1.0, I imagine
- 24 February 2024 (216 messages)
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OK, yeah I saw that. Thank you.
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OK, so I've noticed the dispensers are displayed in green, pink, and yellow.
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Pink means it’s closed
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Thanks man.
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Really a soft red
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☁️☁️ ☁️ 100usdt ☁️
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XCP is more valuable than ORDI
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The natural order is returning ...
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XCP could 10x and still be cheap
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Back in 2015 XCP was ranked in the top 20 of market cap —- maybe the OGs will take us back there again!
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so that psycho with the xcp dispenser could be right
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since you're sympathetic to his pricing scheme, I suggest you buy some of his XCP and show support to his endeavors
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*IF* XCP were to return to the top 20 market cap ranking —- that would give XCP a market cap in excess of $5 billion.
Which translates to an XCP price of $1923........
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Bitcoin cash is still in the top 20 😜.
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Seems like some of the competition is pretty soft.......
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that wallet would be worth over 300 million if that were the case
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Whoa…… beyond lamboland
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All the Bitches Love Me
Be Alpha
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Can anyone think of a reason the next generation counterparty will not kick bitcoincash’s arse?
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updated for NFT Paris : https://blockchainizator.com/media/PEPETHESOG_the-legend_making-of_2024.gif (promotion of Counterparty in the 1st image)
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So quiet in here…. Everyone wondering how to get a serious XCP bag before the fireworks start? 🤔
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For those who missed it:
Counterparty's Past & Future
Jan. 27, 2024
Adam Krellenstein returns to Counterparty after a 9-year hiatus. We dig into Counterparty's current and future state with one of its OG founders.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Z4WrP6PNXg7aPd0Alu3qj?si=u8zldYx0Q463C3k9tD3-xQ&nd=1&dlsi=419a32bcb88448a1 -
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That 100:1 supply change would mean it’d be $19.23
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I really like this idea
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If we go down that route then it should be in place before this milestone IMO otherwise it will be a bit more complicated
https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib/milestone/14Exchange Support Milestone · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-libCounterparty Protocol Reference Implementation. Contribute to CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib development by creating an account on GitHub.
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This certainly seems like a vote by XCP holders would make sense with this
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What are good counterarguments? One I think of is the perception of centralization
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Credibility
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It might look bad, even if there's nothing wrong with it
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The same is true for Bitcoin too with its changes?
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Look bad to who?
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The simple argument is that the total supply is very limited to start with and with everything planned with CP going forward including gas, a stock split just makes a lot of sense.
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Even the ability for cheaper transactions will require xcp. Therefore the use cases support the need for greater supply.
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Imagine if Bitcoin did this and suddenly max supply is 2.1 billion
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hello to everyone , can i use dex-trade even without kyc ? wanted to buy some XCP
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also which wallet do you reccomend to use to store XCP?
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You can also use rarepepewallet.com
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ok thanks i will use one of these wallets
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and for buy? can i use dex trade without kyc ?
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i just wanted to buy 100 counterparty
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FYI this (safe) dispenser would be the easiest option to buy 100 XCP:
https://xchain.io/tx/55a29b2b7fb81821a70c599d0c376c3c0d44a51059c4d95c4513a7b86a3a04ee -- 0.00023500 -- 100 XCP
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Yeah, there's no kyc on there
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Counterargument is you can simply decrease XCP fees if price goes up
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CP need Design a new Dynamic GAS Mechanism like ethereum use XCP as GAS
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Why is there only this one today?
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Would you care if you received the same percentage Bitcoin?
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Will post a full list shortly
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The 21M is such a powerful meme that I would care. There’s some technical reasoning behind it too that might require the decimals to be shifted left two spaces, but that may no longer be an issue.
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I’m wondering if all open DEx orders would automatically adjust too. It’d be tragic if they suddenly became 100x cheaper.
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I doubt it would be 100x cheaper
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If something listed at 100 XCP would be able to be purchased by someone who had 1 XCP before the adjustment, it’d be 100x cheaper
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Joe Burnett (🔑)³ (@IIICapital) on X
Satoshi Nakamoto supported adjusting #bitcoin's decimal places, similar to a stock split. 1 bitcoin = 100,000,000 bitcoin
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Interesting to open up X and see this pop up at the top of my feed
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I don’t even follow them
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Dude go heavy, at least get 1000枚 if not 10,000枚
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Updated - 2499 XCP available on verified dispensers
https://xchain.io/tx/55a29b2b7fb81821a70c599d0c376c3c0d44a51059c4d95c4513a7b86a3a04ee -- 0.00023500 -- 100 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/c98087b834e56d9446400482a6e0895e6fc0b041b7f464619d62b421925dbdec -- 0.00027900 -- 1994 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/b2102bc89a08a52e024bb4d1a5ca1e940db0a8d7771711c944c36953c393bd66 -- 0.00028500 -- 150 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/7daaf24a0ad002a9545e3996b0b5684338f61365ddf620ca0f2beacc80c899dd -- 0.00029987 -- 255 XCP
- As always just DM me if any questions or issues with these dispensers
- Dispenser operators, just DM me with a link to your dispenser to get reviewed/verified
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Once the 0.00027900 -- 1994 XCP gets taken out it's going to get interesting.
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That’s crazy
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I understand that with potential upcoming changes to the platform there may be value in multiplying by 100x the total supply, but you can also just use smaller denominations like mXCP (.001 XCP) or 'counts' or 'counters' for .00000001 XCP
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thanks nifty !
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which upcoming changes are in plan for XCP?
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It's all here:
Counterparty's Past & Future
Jan. 27, 2024
Adam Krellenstein returns to Counterparty after a 9-year hiatus. We dig into Counterparty's current and future state with one of its OG founders.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Z4WrP6PNXg7aPd0Alu3qj?si=u8zldYx0Q463C3k9tD3-xQ&nd=1&dlsi=419a32bcb88448a1 -
to be clear, counterparty is decentralized and therefore 'roadmaps' of the kind that you see with other cryptocurrencies don't make a whole ton of sense for Counterparty, but it's fair to say that atomic swaps will very likely be supported, and I personally would like to see programmability added to Counterparty, using XCP as gas.
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the floor i see is 0.0002 per xcp
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Good question! There are probably several reasons and I don't know them all, but I did notice a clear decrease in the rate of new XCP dispensers created per month
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Funky 😅
I’m generally in favor of transparent public markets rather than dark pools:
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets/050614/introduction-dark-pools.aspAn Introduction to Dark PoolsDark pools are private exchanges for trading securities that are not accessible by the investing public.
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Sipping wine so apologies for the directness of my comment here.......
I was just about to say, "one day a whale is going to come in here and empty all the verified dispensers"
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That would be more like a
"Rainbow trout"
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The storm is coming.........
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That's probably a question sellers can answer better than myself! But I did notice that large buyers (especially newcomers) are often reluctant to use dispensers for large amounts
And there *is* actually one verified 2k XCP dispenser currently available (@ 27900 sat, 1994 xcp remaining) -
plot twist: niftyboss is all the sellers
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Just kidding :)
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I've read a good article about OTC markets the other day - will post it if I can find it again
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Honestly I don't know much about dark pools or trust them — I've always traded in transparent markets.
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Counterparty is a little small for darkpools 😁
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I think rug risk is exactly the same, since dispensers are not trustless unfortunately
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In both cases, only engage in a trade if you trust the seller
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The great thing is, with upcoming atomic swaps and other platform improvements, I think Counterparty is heading towards much more transparency this year
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i know what you mean, but isn't it opposite of what bitcoin should be for? isnt the movent just because we dont want to trust anyone? i can not believe that in 2024 we still need to trust someone
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@herpenstein has written about this extensively.
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I suggest you read this: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/discussions/134PSBT Support via attaching assets to UTXOs · CounterpartyXCP/cips · Discussion #134
CIP: XXX Title: PSBT Support via attaching assets to UTXOs Author: Derp Herpenstein Discussions-To: ?? Status: Draft Type: ?? Created: 2024-1-26 Definitions PSBT - Partially signed bitcoin transact...
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I don't know how you got that from the link I shared
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Counterparty has had a decentralized exchange since it was released.
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and you still have to trust someone to use it
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that is incorrect
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you are conflating dex with dispensers
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dispensers *by design* cannot be trustless
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that's a nice generality but I don't think it applies in this case.
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ok then what about disclaimer ?
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you want the blockchain to write something in front of your eyes?
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blockchain?
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dispensers are a blockchain application
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I do not run a website
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indexed where?
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always good to keep in mind that xchain/freewallet is not counterparty
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There is a limitation in Counterparty's interoperability with Bitcoin.
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Derp found a way to fix that
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If you have an actual issue maybe instead of WRITING IN CAPS you can post it on github.
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you aren't coherenty explaining your problem. If you found a bug in the btcpay logic please make an issue on GitHub
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im not paid for doing that
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neither am i
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if you find a project that will pay you for filing issues on github then you should spend your time on that project
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lol
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i have no idea what you're talking about but you're being needlessly rude and are speaking in ignorance of actual development
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Thanks for the hint. I will not pay you to file issues on GitHub.
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I am not being paid to respond to you.
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Lmao welcome to Stack
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Bro
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Just chill
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I don’t think it does. It did at the beginning from what I’ve read.
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Stack has no chill, he just randomly goes on rampages
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Ya it’s def not a good look lol
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I’m personally fine with either option, but how would we determine whether it should be done? From what I’ve seen consensus is whatever the people with power on the GitHub decide
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Personally, I am generally opposed to coin voting, DAOs, etc. and think that bitcoin's informal governance/rough consensus works remarkably well
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perfect is the enemy of the good and all that.
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I have attached a screenshot from the original Bitcoin Whitepaper.
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It's not difficult to hear, but the software is in a terrible state and UX cannot come before we fix the things that nearly broke Counterparty.
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The following phrase is from the abstract of the bitcoin whitepaper on the first page:
"the main benefits are lost if a trusted third party is still required to prevent double-spending."
Satoshi Nakamoto placed this here at a key cornerstone of the bitcoin project for a reason.
It is uncomfortable to accept this reality, but we cannot solve a problem if we first do not face the reality that the problem exists. -
... I have read bitcoin's white paper.
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I think dispensers should never have been put onchain, among other reasons because they inherently rely on trust. Atomic swaps are an exciting alternative to dispensers which do not have any trust issues.
I don't mean to be rude but a certain level of technical literacy _is_ required in order to understand the prioritization of issues.