Hello!
Thank you for all of your hard work in bringing the next generation counterparty to the world.
I know this is uncomfortable to hear, but this is one of the reasons that counterparty has been stuck in "garage band" mode for the past decade. I am not knowledgeable enough to propose specific solutions, but the user experience needs to be improved in a way that eliminates these problems.
- 24 February 2024 (216 messages)
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Thanks man.
I'm sure you can see, this is not the way it should be. To quote your descriptions (which sound accurate):
*The current transactional structure of counterparty requires 3-4 on chain transactions between two individuals to trustlessly swap a counterparty asset for btc
*These transactions require the coordination of two users.
*Dispensers require you to trust the counterparty
I am sure you would agree, this is not the way it was supposed to be (according to Satoshi Nakamoto, who created Bitcoin, and upon which CP is built).
*A new type of transaction structure is possible
Let's get that going!! -
So a counterparty asset can both be a CP asset or an Ordinal.
Move it to the Oridinal ecosystem or back to CP.
While an ordinal can only ever be an Oridnal and not have the ability to take advantage of the CP ecosystem. -
With the extended functionality that’s possible with CP vs Ordinals, it sounds like it would be better to start your asset issuance on CP to be able to take advantage of both ecosystem benefits.
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This is our moment.
We need to seize it.
Some opportunities only come once in a lifetime. Let's make it happen! -
Unification Church? 🤣
- 25 February 2024 (14 messages)
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If people are getting paid, Derp is at the top of the list!
I wish I could afford the BTC to match my appreciation for all the recent developments -
Probably. I had syncing problem in January and tried to resync everything and just couldn't -
Yes
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It took me a while to get out of the bloody midcurve but I now see clearly that the top of the pyramid of the entire crypto economy are art NFT's, and in particular, deeply culturally-relevant and truly pioneering digital artists. They'll only get more expensive in time too...
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I did what I could
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Did you build that site?
Fabulous reference. I use it often!!! - 26 February 2024 (26 messages)
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"link your metadata however you want" is not the W you think it is. Lack of standardization has held Counterparty back in my view. More choice != better. Standardization is important otherwise you end up with bit-rot and a huge reliance on centralized services. For instance, try and spin-up a Counterparty node today without crawling Xchain APIs, and see how far you get with all the images matching the tokens. Most of Rare Pepes will be blank. -
Both Stamps and Ordinals start at #0 btw... not #1
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Really? -
its a joke
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In computers, we count from zero
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i knows
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its just a memes
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UNCOMMON•GOODS | Ord.io
Search, browse, and vote on ordinal inscriptions like never before.
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well didnt know ord has 0 either
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funnier that way
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BITCOIN STAMPS
Unprunable UTXO Art, Because Sats Don’t Exist.
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I will counter this by saying linking the metadata however you want is a giant W. Freedom of choice is crucial. -
Yes, free choice to drive on whichever side of the road is definitely a W.
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Without a choice, stamps wouldn’t exist
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Probably true.
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Stamps has a standardized format and has been very successful. 🤷♂️
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I completely agree that the lack of standardization left a huge opportunity for stamps. Thank you
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A standard doesn’t preclude doing things differently. It means guiding users through deliberate software choices and cultural decisions. I didn’t say that users shouldn’t be able to bypass a standardized process
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In chyyyna -
Triggering Mike today 🤣
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Lol... Who.... Is ... Triggered....???
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- 27 February 2024 (8 messages)
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inspect the stash:
https://xchain.io/asset/CORNDRIVER
https://bitcorns.com/cards/CORNDRIVER -
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Congrats Counterparty 🥳
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https://xchain.io/tx/78aaeda81e15d03280dd2f653211dd4562e6344d0cb1b0eafddacadf10c13d61
I have opened a dispense for INDIANPEPE S16,C25 for 0.0009, final 18 cards which will be sold ever from my side -
- 28 February 2024 (19 messages)
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Leather team is great! -
Do you have wallet for IOS? -
when exchange? -
XCP should be at $100
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What XCP at right now?🤔 -
Hot do I check?
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WONDERZEUS!
Spamgelo.io
Series I GENESIS - Card 12
Dispenser :
https://xchain.io/tx/3c5c52a4442342100b1fa62bb30bc659b264c933c4a50ebc9aed918d0eeff0f2 -
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if that's the plan im up for it :P
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Start buying, you can do it
- 29 February 2024 (358 messages)
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Apologies for the inquisitiveness, but what is the reason the 2000 XCP batches are offered OTC rather than in verified dispensers?
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Bitcoin is over a trillion now.
CP could potentially add a wide range of functions/capabilities/values to BTC.
If we value the functionality that XCP adds to BTC at 1% of BTC's value, then XCP should have a market cap of $10 billion.
If we value the functionality that XCP adds to BTC at 3% of BTC's value, then XCP should have a market cap of $30 billion.
At an XCP market cap of $30 billion ——
$30,000,000,000 div. by 2,600,000 XCP = roughly $11,500 per XCP
Dream big fam....... -
Current dispenser list?
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Full disclosure, this is not a price prediction or even an expectation —- think of it as a "thought experiment on the price possibilities of XCP if its full potential is realized."
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This quote belongs to Xcer (AFAIK):
"XCP is the Bitcoin inside Bitcoin"
I'm not an NFT artist, but it seems worthy of a limited edition NFT.............
Just an idea........ -
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Is there current list of active dispensers?
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Hook it up nifty 🙏
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This was the most recently posted list -
Updated - 3744 XCP available on verified dispensers
https://xchain.io/tx/55a29b2b7fb81821a70c599d0c376c3c0d44a51059c4d95c4513a7b86a3a04ee -- 0.00023500 -- 95 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/5eebfadb25430a7aa6439ded6be53ebf0303b783045e8ca4091b4c246c346b08 -- 0.00024000 -- 886 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/c98087b834e56d9446400482a6e0895e6fc0b041b7f464619d62b421925dbdec -- 0.00027900 -- 1994 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/b2102bc89a08a52e024bb4d1a5ca1e940db0a8d7771711c944c36953c393bd66 -- 0.00028500 -- 150 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/7daaf24a0ad002a9545e3996b0b5684338f61365ddf620ca0f2beacc80c899dd -- 0.00029987 -- 255 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/27ab4d2377d0324feab40febe83199970d5911195b647c672939e9b694b56060 -- 0.00031000 -- 364 XCP
- As always just DM me if any questions or issues with these dispensers
- Dispenser operators, just DM me with a link to your dispenser to get reviewed/verified -
Wen big dispensers? 😅
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my fake common card dispenser open :
FAKEGHOSTBYE 43/44
https://xchain.io/tx/25b2550f56aa85ddbec681c527dbad9b130ad4e15a4223c1111935e3e8db020f
FAKESURFING 33/33
https://xchain.io/tx/9bb190a78e91b11a46a769ddb5c722d086a9c6db1e1694d59c42e5045267e571
thanks for support 🙏 -
Hi is it listed in any cex -
Link
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isnt dex trade a scam?
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No, they are actually pretty good
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i would not recommend anyone to use this cex and save your nerves
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worst!
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Why?
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i talked to them many times
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About what?
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1st nobody from support knows what is bitcoin or blockchain
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2nd they think XCP has an owner
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and told us that "withdraws were halted because owner asked for this"
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bro who the fuck is going on with them lol?
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2024
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Because the node probably kept failing
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yes but what i am saying they are clueless
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and do not understand ANYTHING
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would you trust money with people who dont know the shit lol?
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im ok. and warning others- stay away from that scammy cex
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also they use different receiving addies for BTC and XCP , many many many many users lost xcp or btc when sending to the same addy.
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dex trade kept all the XCP and told they cant access them on native segwit
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another scammy shit.
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they are VERY BAD
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honestly thats the worst CEX i have ever used. would be number 1.
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Guess you never used FTX
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nope
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Well right now dextrade basically controls the price of XCP with xchain displaying their price
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So if no one buys there, the price won’t move
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yeah sadly, but for me is better the price to go down than to trust scammers and let them rug all the millions
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mark my words when DEX trade will be gone with those XCP
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only the thing that they use 2 separate address'es for btc and xcp and never help people to recover up on mistakes tells a lot
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they are already stealing, so if the question is : will they steal more?
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YES, they will.
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XCER
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go and try to talk with their support, justa bout anything. you will understand that they hired people that has absolute 0 understanding
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they think its a bank payments
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:D
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"owner of bitcoin asked to halt withdraws , ser, so we did"
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something like that.
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terrible service.
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could find more examples. but what i am saying, i dont know a single person who have used DEX TRADE and havent lost money there.
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I don’t know a single person who has
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This is what exactly? You tried to withdraw and the node was offline?
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I’m not trying to defend them, but what exactly are you showing?
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Yeah some splaining to do
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i don't like the idea for them to say that they cant recover BTC from LEGACY btc address , or XCP from segwit native
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only because of that reason alone, tens of thousands $ lost to them
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maybe hundreds
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all my friends and me myself "lost" XCP or BTC or assets to them.
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thats same as stealing. just "official"
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"legal" stealing
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i dont trust them. and not recommend anyone to do. trade XCP elswhere
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I’m a little confused… they give you a deposit address, you send to the deposit address.
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Xcer, do you know how many XCP dextrade hold in hostage?
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of people sending them to their btc addies
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in person, i have sent 100-250 xcp
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i lerned a lesson and not using them again.
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1. do they have the keys from address'es they control.
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this is a missleading way to collect deposits and makes people to slip
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and make mistakes
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they set up the trap for us to fail
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and you will fail sooner or later
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enjoy that scammy cex
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Haha I’m genuinely confused… people are not sending to the right address that they give? They are sending to somewhere else?
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my friend almost sent 100k$ by mistake
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Even though they don't have the best customer support and I don't like them very much, truth be told it is your responsibility to send to the right address -
to the deposit address
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what is "right" address
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The address they tell you to deposit?
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since when btc address is not the right address for CP assets?
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YES. one of the address'es they tell you to deposit
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So people who are reusing deposit addresses?
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xcer, i am saying they do have the keys. if they were OK , they would credit the balance
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but they just play dumb and pretend they dont know what bitcoin is
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and keeps the money
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Fair
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try to pull this shit here on the chat
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that you cant see xcp on btc addy
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i am also trying to say that the way they collect deposits is very likely to force users to make mistakes
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i bet 30%-50% of users already did
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let me pull my deposit addres, it has to be some money "lost" to them for sure
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ok so at least of 1k$ coffee money
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why not to keep it
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and there are many many such zombie XCP in dex trade possesion
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Wait, people are now buying thousands of XCP from dispensers that are not verified as safe?
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Thank you for your contribution
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yes of course, if they know how, why not to buy them cheaper.
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I see these:
https://xchain.io/tx/6542e1930b913e4def6e2fa871f4bf510dc8e742842382f9de7b36c5992eb23b
https://xchain.io/tx/14d7ac67744f1f9434b713580cc129fd53e42d305c300d777189abb154896e2d -
chances of being rugged on dispensers now are very slim
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after reicent 6 blocks update
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i can buy with 100% success chance
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or lets say , i go and buy with confidence
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i can record a video walk thru
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how to buy on dispensers with 99.99% success rate even if you dont know the seller
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he can rug or do what ever he want , i/you would still get the assets or btc.
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easy. i dont care
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they pay what ever they want
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they would end up losing that money
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we can test. give me a dispenser to buy and make me not to get the asset
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there is no chance to make a btc loss if someone who pay knows how to act in certains situations
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and yet again i use electrum with CP
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if you want twice better confidence. core or electrum is the way (for buying)
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when you buy you dont need CP wallets. thats not related at that moment when you pay
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people has to concentrate that what they do is btc payment
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and use the wallet that gives FULL control
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ok next time you see that
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give me link
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ill buy , and make them lose that gas fees
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and would repeat as many times
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until they would think its enough to lose that gas
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i can calculate everything with accuracy of 0.1 sat
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if using electrum
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and i can do WHAT EVER i want with my payment
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That sounds rather distant from a "trustless" arrangement.
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its getting better
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as i said reicent 6 blocks cancellation rule plus electrum wallet
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gives 100% chance on success
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if user knows what to do.
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it takes 10 minutes to learn.
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Wait......
If a buyer wants to acquire XCP from non-verified dispensers, it must be purchased via an electrum wallet.
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because electrum gives full control
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with CP wallet you can send btc
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with electrum i can:
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return btc to my wallet if i see danger
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or increase a fee in 1second to beat the scammer
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but on most cases
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i just cancel my payment
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and let them loose that high gas
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they will get tired doing that
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also with electrum i can join payments, control outputs
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and many many key stuff
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user with segwit native addy on electrum is unbeatable
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important to use segwit, 40% less fees
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all actions you are 40% above scammer if he use legacy
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he would need 40% more BTC on same fees.
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thats very important. buy from segwit bech addies only!
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10min leasson
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as i said i could explain on the video in 10min
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not a rocket science believe me
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interface is user friendly
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ok lets make a test
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give any link to any dispenser up to 0.01 lets say
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was best if anyone can give their dispenser and then try to rug
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you can keep the 0.01 if you do
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fair?
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its like a bounty to try and do that
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Dude, pls put up a youtube video and post a link here, and let's see if you get more than 1000 views (probably less than 100).
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oh lol
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its is up to you man
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i was in need a way so i found it
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btw i want that too.
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Hey, I respect your creativity in finding a way around getting rugged, but to grow the platform/user base we need something that ordinary people can use without the first thing they encounter being warnings about getting rugged/scammed.
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investigating on obscure methods and hardware?
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we are talking in fundamental thing
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simple bitcoin payment
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two clicks
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and if you dont know electrum
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then you have to start over man
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Your method requires an electrum wallet.
What percentage of the world's population owns/uses an electrum wallet?
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there is no other user friendly wallet that does more and do not require to have the full node
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omg
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look i dont care if you do it
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i dont give a shit
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you have to understand that this is your troubles
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i have solution, if you adopt it
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it is up on you
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and to answer your question, almost everyone i know use electrum
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for one or another reason
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lets take monitoring
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again electrum is best for it
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i monitor the addy i am buying from
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for it not to have any additional moves while i buy
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i take the public addy of dispenser, copy it, and import to electrum as watch only
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by the speed of 1 second
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i see how the seler act
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when traders need a way- they find it
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and ill repeat, it is up to you of what you use and how you trade
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your keys - your coins
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It's a problem for the protocol/community if people trying to buy XCP can only avoid getting rugged by using an Electrum wallet.
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there is no official CP wallet if i am mistaken
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what makes you think that electrum is something odd to use?
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Weird —- I go to the counterparty web site:
https://www.counterparty.io/wallets
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CP is on bitcoin
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electrum is bitcoin wallet
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i dont need CP wallets to interact on CP
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i can only use CP wallet as watch only to look at the collection
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when selling/buying and such, btc wallets does all that.
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with some knowledge of course, but again- when buying , and we talk buying now, all you need to do is to send btc payment
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btc payment is btc payment, it is not CP , you have to understand it
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why someone need CP wallet to send btc payment?
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why do you look here if you want to send btc payment?
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you have to understand what do you do to get yourself to better tomorrow :) good luck guys
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All right man, we are starting to go in circles.
If you think this is a user friendly experience for new users, I think you are mistaken, but you are welcome to your own opinion.
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"If you think this is a user friendly experience for new users, I think you are mistaken, but you are welcome to your own opinion."
what makes you think i think this way -
can you quote the message next time so i knew what you are reffering
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i can repeat: i dont give a shit
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i dont care what you use.
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i hope it reach you well.
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btw YES i think electrum is like 1000 times more user friendly
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than ANY cp wallet
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you write me about electrum like a fucking malware wallet or what?
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wallet that gives all solutions talked to shit?
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try google electrum, and try to read about it. open source bitcoin wallet that support almost everything you would need.
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how many people verify freewallet code ?
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jdog alone?
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what makes you think having a wallet on electrum is less safe or user friendly
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that open source wallet is verified by thousands of users
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i leave this question. who from you verified the last free wallet update. simple question as example.
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it is the most popular wallet on CP, i have used it for years and still using it.
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increasing fee is dangerous sometimes
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because it leaves like 20 second gap of when the block can be found
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its unlikely, but it happens
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so better just cancel, and always cancel with only 0.1 sat more
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do not overpay, by the mempool rules its enough 0.1 sat higher fee to replace.
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let the scammer lose the high fee but not you. good luck
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also important is to monitor sellers addy
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sometimes you can think that your 20sat/B payment is better than his 10sat/b, but in reality he can be spending the change in another transfer and making effective fee higher
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always watch the addy you buy from on the separate wallet as "watch only"
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pay to it, and make sure the only action you see is yours. if any other action pops up (except he is spending your coins), you cancel
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or lets say if he is canceling dispenser
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but using your input that you paid to him for the fees
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do not cancel. if he use your input, thats guaranteed for you to win already.
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but i hope i could make it all more clear in the video. like i said, in 10min to 100% confidence when buying
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Even if u r right about the wallets, new users should NOT have to worry about any of these things.
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new users on what wallets?
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can i see the wallets you are refering to start new users with?
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who have verified the code of those wallets?
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at least anyone from this group did?
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you talk to me like i was trying to take comunity elswhere when we simply know that CP doesnt have official wallets that are supported daily
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being that said from now lets call Electrum a CP wallet.
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and where the new users went , it was their option.
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i want for the better, but i rarely get such replies like yours
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the solution i wrote is worth hundreds of thousands dollars for someone
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you can exacute those solutions for very profitable trade
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but instead of thank you , you try to explain me that i am wrong here or there lol.
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you are being gifeted right now you just dont understand it.
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good luck
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p.s. any wallet that can broadcast OP_Return is CP wallet. electrum can do that. its a 100% cp wallet
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Gift— when u give a gift to a friend or family, in your culture, what do you wrap it in?
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you are something man.
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you are trying to tell me that this information i gave today has no value? or what?
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if you are too dumb to use it- thats your troubles but not mine
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this conversation is over.
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That's not how you wear a Shemagh, this conversation is over
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Lmao "counter event" scammer is back -
Since it's the same scam again that's tried before, several years ago, the scammer is probably one of the community
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did he minted new token?
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Yeah
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It refers to the same url lol
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What happens if you send BTC to a dispenser that doesn't have enough XCP to cover your order?? 🤔
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It will only dispense the available amount
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dispensers cannot refund or take partial payments
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If you wanna do a test I can show you
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not true.
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lol
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this has happened to me multiple times!
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when?
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ok nevermind. i dont have time right now. but later we can make a test sure
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I posted about this over a year ago, also suggested the block delay about closing dispensers to stop 50% of the issues.
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did you read what i wrote
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This is my dispenser... if you wanna buy, I can do a test and rug you lol
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100% is 100%
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yes
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I will retun your funds, just trying to prove a point! I have no intention of scamming anyone, just saying the dispenser owner can send a payment with a super high fee and it will be processed before all other buyers
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i am sure that per each test
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you will lose more than me
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No
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yes i know that.
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Please explain... you send a payment of 0.1BTC +fee... I can buy the entire dispenser with mega high miner fee, and you will lose the 0.1 and get no assets in return
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The only way to solve this is to have dispensers payout by timestamp or tx broadcast so there is an order based on time and not feee
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but i could be wrong
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Yes that is somewhat correct, but you could timestamp them based on when a "selected" node sees them
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However this still isn't 100% for the reason you mentioned and when I got rugged it was a bot that sent a tx within 5seconds of mine with a much higher fee
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There is probably a way...
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send link of that next time
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ill drain that bot in fees
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How ?
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This happened with FLOCK dispensers in my case
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send with mempool minimum or what ever minimum is the bot is acting from
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and then cancel
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lol do you rbf your dispenser send that triggers it
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repeat as many times as needed
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Cancel how? RBF ?
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wow i love this
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until attacker gets a huge loss in fees
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But you will also get drained in fees ?
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not if you send youself back the money
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i can send with 1 sat /b fee
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and cancel with 1.1
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Don't the fees go to the miners
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i can afford that
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lol
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I wil DM you next time I notice this happening
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better it will not be happening :))
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I hope not, but scammers are relentless and they haven't dissapeared
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GM from my wojaks..
WOJAKGRINPIS
Series 5 Card 16
Disp link : https://xchain.io/tx/49bae3c49481b0a6d268500d21bdb7ef48ccf2403260b0c7093be90a4536a2c8
WOJHODL
Series 3 Card 30
Disp link : https://xchain.io/tx/cdeb5ef2639176ef658afbeea1b7ddd9dca25282492e14da8690402f057188ec
WOJAKALIEN
Series 2 Card 46
Disp link : https://xchain.io/tx/3967b2cd6faf9735f0a55423b2c20f92333218be35aa1d2312e885f99ca9e090 -
Fugg...
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do you happen to own the top dispenser (one with 95xcp)?
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Nope, just was waiting on a confirmation for a small purchase and I was wondering whether I had tried to purchase more than was in the dispenser...
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there is an uncofirmed dispense
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but that's a fee issue on the other side
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Did I do something wrong/ loose my BTC?....
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no, i the transaction is not confirmed the dispener will not send the tokens. when it confirms you will get your XCP
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on the offchance someone front runs you and it's cleared before it confirms I can either return your bitcoin or send you xcp (when you txn is confirmed of course) 🙂
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Thanks so much for getting back to me👊 will totally take the XCP please.
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hopefully this mempool clears out a bit and just confirms but will keep my eye on it as well 🙂
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It's also worth noting, that even the rip-off of Counterparty's PEPECASH token (the ETH based PEPE) has a market cap today of over $1 Billion.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/pepe/
Absolutely absurd.
One day, the market will sort this all out, hopefully with a much higher valuation for XCP, the real PEPECASH, and rarepepes in general.Pepe price today, PEPE to USD live price, marketcap and chart | CoinMarketCapThe live Pepe price today is $0.00001263 USD with a 24-hour trading volume of $816,647,916.67 USD. We update our PEPE to USD price in real-time.
