I take compliments quite well. From industry peers.

https://x.com/adam3us/status/1736137278643118429

lol the timing of that tweet tells me we’re living in the simulation.

7 minutes after being told I don’t take compliments well Adam Fucking Back pays me a compliment

Stamp it

Def a sim

Concur

Some Counterparty history in this clip. Hilarious. https://x.com/adamamcbride/status/1736179796839735464?s=20

Confirmed 🤣

Humans are animals made of meat too, btw.

His honesty is commendable lol

Haha this is awesome, go Adam

What exactly is roll up technology lol

I really have no idea and why is it beneficial to the end user?

ZK rollups?

A lot of the roll up stuff is centralized but I looked into it earlier this year and some of the ZK stuff looked legit and quite interesting as a scaling solution.

Having said that, it's been a while but I think that some of the more ambitious claims certain projects made turned out not to be entirely accurate... but don't quote me on that.

This is hilarious. People are paying a premium knowing exactly what they are doing for permanence. It’s in some perspective inexpensive for the historical ramifications. How is this a trick?

It's not more permanent than op return, nor script sig, nor witness data. It's the only option that hurts everyone that has utxo set loaded however without any benefits. Literally all other forms of storage are better cost wise you are paying premium for your own illiteracy while being the worst person you can be out of all the options

are we tricking the miners to include these txns in blocks? Ultimately, doesn't the fault lie with them?

You can always make a protocol that requires making 100 dust outputs with fake pubkeys too. But ppl don't do it because ethics. Responsible use of shared network and all.

It's your job as protocol designer not to be a cunt

If we can’t survive Mike, we have problems

People dont do it cuz they didn't think to do it first. I guarantee you 99% of the people in this room would do it if they knew the outcome. Just a lot of sour grapes. It's also funny that Bitcoiners should be concerned about "shared resources" and the "tragedy of the commons" when that's the exact same criticism lobbed at Bitcoin by environmentalists. So fucking hilarious how Bitcoiners suddenly become woke when it effects them

didn't XCP do the thinking for you?

We'll survive, just be slower and more bloated for no reason . Core devs have some fault too for not making multi opreturn standard but jfc p2ms of all things. Best part about xcp was it rarely using p2ms and other nastier forms unless really necessary

you kind of just threw shit on the wall

absolutely. there is nothing original in stamps which is why its the fake and ghey protocol. It's all pure counterparty. So who you getting mad at? 10 BTC worth of dust was already trapped in outputs due to carelessness

im interested

People don't do it first? We have better ways now wth you mean . You literally get discount on witness data bc itxo bloat is the worst thing possible for Bitcoin

im not

I just wasnt sure

that existed already. I needed a novel approach to MAKE FUCKING MONEY FOR ME. Get it?

At what point do we tell everyone this whole chat is a fake made up drama just for fun while we all drink cognac in the lounge?

that was my guess

it was all planned in 2021

simulatoooors

I know you've been told this before, all explained, and you ignored all and learned nothing, so no point convincing years later. You made a choice to do the worst thing possible and lie about permanence to promote your top kek

I forgot, the monks in this room are not here to make money. lol

oh I learned a lot: how to make money. I was stupid from 2013-2023... not making money while being in crypto lol

why only 1 rarepepe

very late in the series. I would have made more but the series ended

there were over 30 series

I was series 32... I think... went to 36

no

lmao

Yeah scamming for money is a common business model

dude, most people in this space would say selling a pointer to an image is a scam

25, but I did think it was much earlier

I made a fake rare in series 4

Any deception for profit is a scam, that's what it means. What people say doesn't matter. Counterparty didn't lie about p2ms being more permanent than op return, you did

A lot of people might even say putting new artwork on old assets is a scam...

oh it totally is

I guess any form of money is a scam too

simulation is a giant scam too

I want a refund

My 8th grade teacher use to tell us the only thing you have to do is die

Scams are really just filtering out weak dna

at what point do we all just say In Lak’ech Ala K’in (i am you and you are me) we are all Kevin. that's the meme, duh.

realistically i'm tired of putting on a fake mask of perception of who i am. i know who you are

lets all grow together free from the shakles of the perception of lack and money

what wagmi is all about mutherfuckers

share in the abundance of the universe. give to receive without judgement or expecation

this is the persona of Pepe anyway

why we say Ser because it has no judgement or perception of duality and masculine and feminine

otherwise fuck off and let's see where it goes together

free from all this bullshit. we are on the same path

tbf i do quite enjoy drinking a fine scotch and making up collective stories just for fun with @jdogresorg it's all in our imagination

this

it's a toss up between whisky and cognac is the lesson here ofc

don't even get me started on the significance of the flocks in this whole matter

$KEVIN for president.

gentleman

drinking the meaning of life and death in every sip of whiskey,while you solve the riddles of the world with your friend. this man knows how to live

how's ICQ doing? you're repping his cards?

you posted a big ass list of his cards in Rare Pepe Trading the other day, thought you must be repping them for him

why do you call them nft?

Oh so he is that dam

Friendly reminder to be very careful with OTC too good to be true offers folks. Especially when they suddenly add third parties pretending to be trusted community members offering escrow services

MPMA aka multisend never used bare multisig - but all other counterparty operations can be done using Multisig.

Yup…. Multisig only used for larger issuances n broadcasts… we use op_return by default, then multisig if needed.

Hopefully later this year we can add taproot support n start storing data in the much cheaper witness data… but IMO CP got some scaling/bloat issues to workout first.

Mpma uses p2sh not multisig… Mpmas have never used multisig to store data

Bloating the UTXO set is undesirable behavior, so CP only uses multisig when there are no other options…. Also, with CP txs, there is the option to redeem that Multisig dust… the user can decide for themselves if they want to redeem the UTXOs.

In contrast stamps uses the most destructive method to encode data (multisig) AND forces a new keyburn method on the multisig outputs to make sure those outputs can never be spent.

There is a reason (besides dev friction) why I don’t support stamps… creativity n creating new art stamps is great… but forcing users to use centralized for-profit minting services that bloat the UTXO set is not something I think is good overall for the BTC ecosystem…. Good for some short-term drama/attention/profit… but longer term not responsible usage of BTC.

Prolly why so much stamps hate by some BTC maxis🤷🏻‍♂️

Just my 2 SATS worth👍🏻

Multiple OP_Returns for all not just miners

Would solve a bunch of problems but prolly won’t happen ever…. Would require a huge threat to btc network…. More so than the “threat” ordinals n stamps pose…

I think some more contentious BTC forks in coming years.

Hope we can hold on a few more years tho before we have to go through another round of btc feature forks (block size wars, BCH, bsv, etc)

Encoding cat n mouse game is lame… would be nice to just allow multiple op_returns

yeah people want to put non financial data on the chain - you cant stop them

At least steer to prunable areas n stop fighting a losing battle🤷🏻‍♂️😜

was it the limiting of OP RETURN that resulted in the bare multisig encoding in the first place? or was the bare multisig "trick" in widespread use first ? i know its how the whitepaper is embeded in the chain

but as to when / why its in counterparty is what i am wondering

I can’t answer that as I came to cp like 6 months after it started… not sure if multisig was added before or after op_return was neutered from 80 to 40 bytes… @teysol should be able to answer tho…. Since he wrote it😜

Gotta dig up some old memories but IIRC @teysol made it so that all CP txs could fit in 80 byte OP_RETURN then core devs cut it to 40 bytes. Always had multisig as an option but were forced into using it.

When we were first designing Counterparty he was aware of the contentiousness around OP_RETURN and correctly pointed out that if it were kneecapped it'd result in overall worse situation for the BTC blockchain, since data would have to be stored in a less hygienic way.

its clear from the chain data a lot of multisig dust is just left sitting there n I expect will never be recouped/spent ... lost keys being one reason .. lack of tooling another .. lack of desire too .. those btc rich folk from 2013 don't need 7800 sats

of course, the core devs' goal was/is not to make sure that non-BTC data makes as little mess as possible, but essentially to censor it from the blockchain.

or even 10080 or whatever it was before 7800

strange to see this same cat and mouse game being played ~decade later.

hardly anyone used my tool to reclaim multisig dust .. it seems even at 5 figure price the desire is just not there ... I wonder if a 6 or 7 figure price will change that ? I think it will

I tried to use it a few times.. but it runs on tor…. And not many people run that unfortunately.

I do plan to build a redeem dust and gather UTXO options in FreeWallet in the future

i put it on a onion so the users knew I could not gather location data

is there an ordinals brc20 room? im trying to figure out how to buy some of this shit using multibit.exchange and not sure if i should use btc for stuff, or just use the eth like some retard and have it bridged through God knows how many chains

I thought it was a nice thing to do

It is nice n how it should be done… unfortunately I don’t think it will get much usage until it’s integrated into a wallet or product.

it did lack power .. a rpi3 and your heavily used address prolly not good friends

I should have a rpi4 spare once my rpi5 arrives .. maybe Ill revive it but do not allow the spending of stamps .. just need to get rc4 encryption and cp data decoding into my toolkit and I am working on that in my other project

You're serving your tool from a rpi3 over tor? You don't hear of setups like that that too often these days lol

pretty cool!

wen Freewallet tor option like Trezor suite has?

yeah saved me opening a port on my router an revealing my ip as well as providing user privacy

Sure totally get it. Hopefully you've got a good cooling setup 😛

I bought a fan for the pi5 .. the pi4 has a heat sink, the pi3 was naked

what temps does the 3 get to when it gets hit hard?

I don't know .. but I think it was being throttled as I saw it red lining in the cpu graph in the taskbar

When more hours in day? 🤷🏻‍♂️😜

is the code open source?

I didn't open source it .. it was quite ugly but seemed to work .. it took an address as a input string .. searched all its utxos for the bare multisigs n built a tx the user had to sign using bitcoin-cli

It was a python flask 'app' .. I plan to put it back online as described with a donation feature... but like JDog I need more hours in a day

I have hopefully identified a more profitable counterparty tool / thing to build so am currently focused on that

low fees were nice n made reclaiming a few sats worth while ... but have those days passed?

I am thinking better to build something that doesn't need low fees

hiya frens. we added an ai chatbot that answers most q's bout counterparty, freewallet, and pepe the frog on https://pepeflags.art (its still a bit buggy but it works pretty gud) wuld appreciat ne feedbak

it the green chat bubble on botom right

Not bad👍🏻

if xcp was born today we end all the shitty ordinal thing rn

but is a old thing

should be 2.0 as talking with dankboost

Does anyone know why my btc balance is not showing up in freewallet?

I have a confirmed balance of 0.02 btc and when I transfer sat, it says insufficient balance, at least 0.005 btc.

New CIP
- like stamps but 50% cheaper
- easy on nodes; file stored in p2wsh outputs but not in counterparty db
- test it out; links to tx builder for electrum and decoder

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/discussions/126

could be a couple things - UTXO count, outdated version, unconfirmed - etc etc - in this tg chat we discuss Freewallet issues, FAQ's and bugs. check the pinned post there for more help

https://t.me/freewallet_io

Ok, thx

for your issue i have this guide: https://gist.github.com/davestaxcp/1e2cc086a13c9a2d045876852b57e5be#failure-to-send-not-enough-btc-in-wallet

but we usually discuss freewallet issues there in that tg chat as to not clog up the xcp chat with troubleshooting etc

Does anyone have good experience with the Multisend feature? How do transaction costs scale with more addresses to send (the same asset) to via Multisend? Proportionally?

the easy answer is use 3x the recommended "high fee"

in Freewallet

use the most recent version of the wallet though,

older versions have had issues with multisend

the fee structure the wallet recommends is pretty bad for sat/vb conversion in multisends in me and Porkchop's opinion

its going to be really expensive rn

https://gist.github.com/davestaxcp/1e2cc086a13c9a2d045876852b57e5be#using-the-multi-send-function

^ this should help with how to do it though

Thanks! Definitely interested in this. Been talking about that for a while.

Thank you! So say I want to send the same token to 600 different addresses and I set the fee as 3x the "high fee", how many transactions will that approximately result in?

I am a bit in fear that I will pay 600x the transaction fee that I set.

But maybe I got it totally wrong and I will pay the set transaction fee only once / couple of times.

Do you maybe know what will be the case? Thank you so much!

i think you just pay it one time

but maybe im wrong

as you just trigger one tx

That would be amazing, thank you.

600? i think it will be multiple tx's but it wont be 600 individual ones - depending on how much data you are including (600 sends) it will break it up into linked multiple tx's .... if i were to guess I'd think it would be 3-4 individual tx's..... right now it would be quite expensive

Freewallet puts them all together and also will inform you "this will need a second tx" with a popup

anyone offering bitcoin yield is a scammer. Stacks seems to be the latest ghey attempt to tokenize on layer 2.

CounterParty solved this back in 2014 and still running strong

Smash or pass?

🤪

😂

ok amazing, thank you so much, this helps a lot!

Hey

Question anyone having issues getting transactions out of CP?

Getting this message. I can read but is it asking me to add more liquidity in the wallet to make the transfer?

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib/issues/1288

Aryannn! Thank you kindly

I got the same error using the CP API (not FW). Plenty of BTC in my wallet.

Something done broke.

You feel me! & I’m actually troubleshoot for my homie in Canada tryna transfer but ima start here.

If I recall correctly, I think it was @sn_noop2 or @B0BSmith who suggested to just keep battering the thing and continuously request the transfer.

It was Bob.

it happens retry n it should be OK

Word thank you!

guys damien sent me here, said some1 had a naka for me? THANK YOU 1NFbGkvdsgh58Je9Dv8PF5crCmcF7ePqNP

Sending

WELL RECIEVED!! THANKS MAN!!

Just a heads up transaction cleared thanks gang!

Just kept smashing send?

Yup the homie had to leave some liquidity for the fees instead of taking the whole amount out.

Yo fam.
Had a question about a frens tx to a dispenser fir FAKEDUST.
He did the thing and grabbed 1 from the dispenser.
The tx went through fir the proper amount to the correct addy.
FYI. He did this through his freewallet by using the dispenser watch list.
He never got the asset but I see the funds went through.
Never seen this, so I hope some one knows supin.
Thanks. This is the TX.

https://mempool.space/tx/4a30db7305083283fd601068cbbdc93a08c2dd8fb11b464b55afd7b9291b3511

whats the best wallet to import counterparty wallet? i only have 12 word passphrase not private key. ty!!

freewallet.io

xcp.ninja wallet good too

Thank you so much 🙏

GM!

I am having an issue with one of my dispensers

https://xchain.io/tx/4b49b5b6dc7c4a916388269d528488141a45e4d6afd9e836cae10ab6b0b98cf1

There was a dispense transaction that emptied the dispenser but it doesn't show the asset in the buyers' balance neither the dispense in the dispenser -> https://blockstream.info/tx/e02b089d76ab641f716df1a67ae3f249722709b826da104f45a0ce463c596466

What happens if you try to do a BTC/XCP transaction in freewallet, a single transaction clears (but I haven’t obtained the XCP), and I close my freewallet? Will the XCP ever come to my wallet? :(

i think there is some desync between xchain and counterparty

There seems to be a sync issue - last block parsed 18h ago

https://xchain.io/blocks

Once this has been resolved you should see correct balances

Always be careful with fucking scammers in your DMs

username @jdogressorg

Instablock thanks ser

someone knows this addy ?

1AUdpyKk97BfSR7wKeUVhhMprY89q32vuv

https://twitter.com/scarcedotcity/status/1737176484698337530

Dank af bundle.

bounty for the person that find the owner of this addy

💪

That's my address.

jdog was a good man, i cant believe he stopped so low lol

Hi, please what is DiamondBond (propably closed token on CCP) Can I buy it or sell it? Thanks

Is a CP token. 400,000,000 issues. You can buy 50 here https://xchain.io/tx/cf2785a30d2d339c37908c071bc49d5349c5eb010dd830d3dca8946c5d923af0. But not cheap, only $21,000. Or maybe it is cheap and I don't understand.

and sell?

And what mean CP? First post should be xcp

why would you buy a token with no activity in years and unlocked supply?

Because someone try to confuse me and try to guarantee with 14,2 DiamondBond from this wallet and say that its tradable, but there is no exchange with this , thanks you very muchhttps://xchain.io/address/1PwVhDEWY5QWCmADDvVwJz3R26CU8jNpNr

Its there possibility that this token exist with this price should be sell?

I mean, it's tradeable, but nobody is gonna buy it from you

It's just a dead asset

and how to sell it?

You can sell in dispenser or in the DEX in exchange of other asset

problem will not be how to sell it, but whom to sell it to

Because he told me, that he has buyer

Good luck on that, feels like he wants to scam you

yes

i know, so just want to know other opinien

imho stop talking to whoever is trying to take you there

Hey, sent you a DM for some help in recovering this assets. Please check TIA

Seems like counterparty was like 9 years ahead of time lol

Updated - 1652 XCP available on verified dispensers

https://xchain.io/tx/dd36eeba1f8995b9879be8372016649d1728cee19fd997ac0c858e8b02ea218e -- 0.00008880 -- 198 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/331e33ae887acbcc61da7ee9f12af8c035f81e262da60486301c3f943dc0bd60 -- 0.00010600 -- 788 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/95c46a1a82b5725692e3d621e09ad4ab6082cc7793e9764f4a5b66e3c160269a -- 0.00011000 -- 66 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/484acbe3bd214efae1a9396dcb77269f9a0d32bba6eccc852e492524b5cacce1 -- 0.00011500 -- 600 XCP

Important - Do make sure to use a sufficiently high fee (~59500 sat for a smooth tx right now) - these days many dispenses get stuck due to low fee

hi ,im having troubles logging in to my wallet
is ''anicent '' word of XCP seedphase?

i dont think its a word period

RIP

ancient

Which one is technically better, XCP/counterparty or SRC-20? Been wondering about this for a few days already 🤔

Interested to know the difference with BRC-20 as well haha

xcp has a lot more functionality

Hi frenz is there a discord bot to verify xcp assets etc?

Only CounterCord, which is brilliant and underutilized

It allows you to assign Discord room access based on wallet holdings

I seen that, but its not listed on any of the official discord bot lists. Will do some more diggin

Oh boy…

Counterparty has been around a decade and has many historical projects and acts as the underlying protocol for Bitcoin stamps. It’s feature-rich and has a thriving community. SRC-20 is very different. It doesn’t exist on top of Counterparty anymore nor does it leverage counterparty features like dispensers. Presently, it can’t be used for “art” NFTs. It’s a simple fungible token protocol.

I would say Counterparty is “technically” better while src20’s compatibility with the brc20 specification means it’s more likely to be adopted by marketplaces for trading.

Src20 and brc20 are functionally identical

XCP is much more versatile and powerful (all things that sounds crazy wen you research that is as mike said 10 years old), but requires a slightly longer learning curve.

Leave the shitcoins to the shit chains 😅 xcp and btc is reserved for pure dankness and creativity 😂 think of the mempool, why won't anyone think.of the mempool 😭

XCP is burnt BTC and proof of burn is an alternative to proof of work as a method/mechanisim to achieve distributed consensus

Someone deploying and minting a SRC20 or a BRC20 uses proof of work but there is no guarantee of a distributed consensus it could just be one person 'minting' the entre supply

Its much the same as someone registering a counterparty token

Was also thinking exactly this — aren’t SRC20/BRC20 just counterparty tokens?

SRC20s were once upon a time a counterparty token i believe but not anymore

brc20 is ordinal speak and not counterparty and never has been

Ok got it

src20 and i guues brc20 if functionally identical (but i not educated on ordinals) are token layers much like counterparty is a token layer

Brc20 uses ordinal theory, so witness data and scr 20 is stamp chain, tx data

src20 are still a counterparty asset afaik, they're minted using CP.

they only got kinda hidden from xchain cuz they clogged the system and were not supporting xcp directly cuz most stamps don't add a name to them

From what I've been told

This is no longer true. Src20 doesn't use Counterparty

as i said

how did they migrated the first batches of src20s?

Good question.

you would have to ask the SRC20 ppl

i think you will find it was more due to the fact they were creating 0 issuance counterparty tokens and locking them not only when creating assets but also when transferring them - so were creating 0 issuance locked assets when they did not need to be

afaik they developed their own wallet and indexer but they're still Bitcoin Stamps. ergo text encoded in base64 under the token description.

imho they were very poorly designed from the start

and just like with ordinals they like to clog the mempool

I honestly haven't follow all their development cuz I came for the art and src20s look boring to me.

things were much nicer before them imho.

they're basically a rip-off brc-20 that took advantage of the counterparty protocol

Going to be cleaning up numeric nonsense from my explorers in wallets in 2024… Hope the communities are ready… might be a good idea for the stamps guys to start building their own explorer n wallet for all stamps… not just the src-20 stuff that forked off counterparty. (We need more explorers neway, this is a way to force development of them)

My tolerance for nonsense in 2024 is much lower … The CP community can figure out what they wanna do with the protocol (I still feel we should put a fee on numerics)… as for me and my personal projects (xchain /freewallet/dogewallet), I won’t be supporting numeric assets much longer in 2024.

This is just a personal decision that I have made for my personal projects. My development focus is elsewhere in 2024, and I have little to no time or interest in maintaining part of someone else’s infrastructure any longer (increased cost n drama n no net benefit)

TLDR numeric support prolly going away from xchain/freewallet in 2024… fair warning.

what is the numeric nosense ser?

Will that effect existing stamps etc as well?

Bulk issuing numerics because they are cheap/free and don’t require an XCP fee… no interest in debates or back-and-forth as to whether or not numerics should or shouldn’t have a fee…. All that’s been talked to death, and the community can decide their path forward.

I’m simply announcing my personal decision to no longer support numerics on my products.

cue the jdog evil because "no more free stuff/time" posts

it's completely understandable.

i dont understand it

they are cp assets anyway

He's got a product. He decided a thing.

but cool your product your decision

I've a question though: does this affect subassets?

Aren't they technically numerics or am I dumb?

No sub assets are numeric at core but you pay .25xcp to create, pure numeric is free

So if you're holding any numeric stamp/token it won't show up in FW, need send them to a compatible wallet ASAP?

All subassets are numerics - but not all numerics are subassets

You should be able to import your FW to stamped.ninja, methinks.

Right.

My Q is more like: will J-Dog™️ products still support subassets?

Yeah that's what I wad thinking

Great question - only JDog can answer that

And can you create named stamps in FW still. I know it won't be part of btc stamp directory etc.

yeah you can make named stamps in FW

i am working to index them on the new opensource indexer

It costs me more to maintain the infrastructure cuz of all the spammed numerics…. Drama all discussed months ago…. My interest is in keeping xchain/freewallet up for the community, not allowing one project to abuse my resources, not compensate me, and cause my products to lag n run slower.

I explained all this 6+ months ago… how it was effecting my infrastructure…

so, since my focus is on BTNS and XChain platform in 2024… I’m choosing to put cp/freewallet to the side… which means less time / energy to maintain…. So, removing numerics makes things much easier to maintain on my end.

Feel bad about it, but if it’s a decision between supporting the community who has been here 8+ years or one newcomer project…. It’s no contest.

Plus the project being abusive to bitcoin UTXO set makes the decision to part ways much easier.

Stamps has to forge their own path… no more Freeloading on muh tools/ infrastructure/costs. 🤷🏻‍♂️

i understand that the src20 on cp affected your products but stamps? is using exactly the same as named assets

Sub assets pay an extra XCP registration fee… so they will always be supported… you’ll be able to reference them on exchange same as you can now using sub asset, name or numeric name

you know that remove this will give you extra work not less work right?

I’m sure one of the top Bitcoin programmers in the world knows what his decisions entail 😂

Yes… AFAIK the only way to send stamps right now that are not SRC 20 is via xchain and FreeWallet… and I’ve expressed many times that stamps has put an extra burden on these services…

Users will still be able to use counter wallet to do with stamps…. The counter wallet needs to be fixed since it is currently broken and the community has to decide a path forward to get it working again.

This is why I am mentioning it now , so that there are no surprises to the stamps community…. I would suggest focusing on building tools to move your Bitcoin stamps around.

The entire theory of why stamps took off is because of no XCP fee is nonsense

so named stamps will be supported as well?

cuz the stamps people banned them for using xcp, which of course is crazy

Soon i will release a blockcvault update supporting all things of coins, including stamps, src20.

etc....

Yes, you can still create name assets in the wallet, and put whatever you want for the description… I would discourage doing this since stamps encoding is very wasteful and whatever you create would not be considered a Bitcoin stamp anyway, since it is a named asset…. But from a technical perspective yes, you can still stamp named assets.

For android/ios users

what about open dispensers for art stamps?

Including dispensers.

but I don't know if the dispensers are allowed under ios policies

Thanks ser, I still like the onchain essence of stamps, not bothered about if bitcoin stamps recognise or not, and until mempool calms won't be doing any anyway 😂

@stackbtc Nobody wanted to buy my 9 year old shitcards so I had to create my own wallet. so I can sell that shit...

Me waiting for Duncan’s comment

I want to be very clear…. Counterparty the protocol continues on with no changes… stamps work, the exact same as they always have.

All that is changing, as I am no longer supporting numeric assets on XChain, and by extension in FreeWallet.

Dispensers will still be open , stamp users just won’t have a way to view those dispensers, or view stamps in their FreeWallet, or use FreeWallet to manage their stamps.

Well… they can use xcp.dev or memepool.wtf to view stamp txs.., not xchain.io

I would like to respectfully thank you for clarifying your boundaries in a clear way. While I do not agree with you personally, I find what you are doing and the way you are phrasing it to be 100%. Thank you for taking the time to let everyone know in a professional manner.

Thank you for the respectful reply 👍🏻

Just multisend all your numeric stamps to stamp.ninja wallet before hand. And pay the fees so its not sitting 1000 blocks off 😂

I’ll take progress in all forms… even baby steps❤️

Oh, I returned all of my stamps that were donated to me 6+ months ago when I decided I no longer wanted to be associated with the project

Saying for the others stressing. You can send all in 1 via multisend and be done

I wish you success from the bottom of my heart. I know I was vocal about choices you've made in the past, but I dont want that to be taken personally. I want to be critical of actions, but I don't believe in shitlisting individual people. Most of the things I've said in the past can be chalked up to me addressing your agency at the time. Now that you fully represent yourself as yourself, I can sympathize much more.

I hope you can accept my public apology, I genuinely mean it:

Sorry for the way I've treated you Jdog

Wouldn’t you just enter your existing passphrase? Why would you have to send them?

I don't want to import ma FW in to a Web based wallet, so rather split the collection, keep the rares, fakes and others in fw that I know and trust

Makes sense, I agree

Sad for some but 100% your app, 100% your choice.

I'm just wondering how will you handle dex between numeric and named assets?

Sweep is way cheaper…. One small op_return tx to move everything (including asset ownership)…. Mpma requires 2 txs n a list of what to send

TLDR sweep is better

Its all mixed together won't a sweep take all assets etc?

Me being sole maintainer for many years was difficult both on myself, as well as on some community members.

I respect your viewpoint, accept your apology, and look forward to moving forward👍🏻

I wonder what's the matter with a web wallet?

not opensource web wallet

Once the XChain API stops handing out information on numerics…. Numerics will just disappear from FreeWallet…. All areas of FreeWallet…. Including dispensers and exchanges and open orders…. Everything will have to be managed in a different wallet counterwallet

All counterparty wallets, except for xcp.ninja are open source…. The only thing that is not open source is the xchain explorer and API code base

Nothing at all. You’ve done an incredible job, but if you have $100,000’s in your wallet, I can understand one’s apprehension of entering their passphrase into an new wallet

Personal choice, just prefer FW, nothing wrong with them

And I know the stamp ninja wallet is safu got a lot of frenz who use and trust it.

what's the timeline for numeric asset suport to be shut down?

Ok for freewallet, I do get the trust in jdog. Was just wondering if you were using extensions wallet that have read/write access to all your navigation (password, privacy...)

Thanks, just want to precise 100% saifu wallet doesn't exists, except if you've built it yourself

We should all know that by now, if the.last week didn't teach ppl don't know what will 😂

no need to trust me... I dont want anyone to trust me... all code should be open sourced and verifiable what is going on... thats why they trust the wallet... not cuz they trust me (hopefully)... but cuz the code is there for anyone to review (and I know your working towards the goal of open-sourcing the wallet 👍️️️️️️)

I understand some components have to be closed source (xchain is)... so, I get it... sometimes gotta build the various components out n have the full thing built before you can decide what parts to open source and what parts not to... so no pressure... IMO your making your way to open-sourcing the wallet... which is the right path 🙂

Couldn't find the time for it but indeed. As half of Ninja wallet code comes from freewallet, thank you for that.

no hard date yet.... xchain.io traffic will be migrated to tokenscan.io site/APIs in Jan/Feb.... so prolly remove numeric support by March 1st

and the guts of FW started with copying tx signing code from counterwalllet... open source software helps build more open source software 🙂

got it - ty

having some artwork designed for "FORKOFF" and "FORKOFF.WAR"... 100 supply each... first issuances on 9.61.0... FORKOFF crashed CP parsing and caused 9.61.1 hotfix to be issued..... a token with backstory and drama... threw up some dispensers last week... 0.005 BTC sent to 1ForkedSyctJYYx9tDPZGmevzycf9nzi2D gets ya both.... just in case anyone interested in "interesting" assets 🙂

https://xchain.io/asset/BADBURGERDAY

I think the last asset that crashed CP and caused a hotfix was VOAT... that event was commemorated by someone in this token BADBURGERDAY

lol great card

Curious what the perspective is on the value of CP assets as a whole with this filtering of data. If the primary public source is stripping out valid counterparty data this could be perceived as a slippery slope of what will be censored next. I don't disagree with it as a personal decision for a private projject, but are there larger implications to the community?

Is it censorship or a spam filter? 🤔

same same

https://xchain.io/asset/VOATBURGER

i guess it just begs the fact that CP needs an agnostic explorer built into the public code that anyone can run.

is yours?

nosir. Just a quick search to enhance my shitposting.

Once again, i'll point out that i've been saying we need more explorers for years... I dont want to be the only explorer for counterparty... but this is the situation we are in cuz few built other explorers (@hodlencoinfield is working to build out memepool.wtf)... building explorers and making them scale can be tough work, so I understand why few have attempted it. I am making a decision for my personal project xchain.io.... it is unfortunate that the majority of the community relies on one explorer... but that is not my concern... I have to make decisions that are right for my projects and keep them up and running...

Stamps has put an unfair burden on my services, and cost me a bunch of time, energy, and finances to keep xchain.io and freewallet up and running smoothly.... I no longer am willing to carry that operational burden for Stamps.

Stamps claims to have a huge community and claims to be "supporting" the CP community, yet I see very few tools built out that benefit the WHOLE community and not just the "stamps" community.

IMO so far what I have seen from Stamps is profit-seeking behavior and offloading operational cost to others (Counterparty/XChain/Freewallet) with very little net benefit to the CP community.

This is an opportunity for the stamps community to step up and demonstrate that they ARE adding value to the CP community by building tools that benefit everyone.

on the bright side we will have an open source explorer built into the stamps indexer. so shouldn't be too comoplex to port that over to be an overall CP explorer for everything perhaps integrated with fednode.

The stampwallet is open source and could be forked to support all CP assets. So i don't think we're too far off. Another public CP api node coming online from stampchain along with the xcp.dev api so it's bulllish the community is diversifying

Bro, I've had about 9 months here to build something out with the support of yourself and the CP community which I greatly appreciate. It's a great opportunity to be part of such a large project. However it takes time to figure out our own shit to be able to circle back and see how we can benefit CP as a whole. As mentioned this is starting with an open CP api which i'm sure will evolve, especially now.

Not sure the hate against 'for profit' - I at least dream of being able to quit the day job one of these days and work on this or related project full time. Idk how you pay the bills if it's so fkn altruistic and supposedly nothing to do with CP has ever been about making a few bucks to get a good meal once in a while and not worry about a boss man on your ass.

Unfortunately all this 'profit' is going back into infrastructure costs and we actively request dev fund support from the community. So the day job is a must. Selling a few stamps here all to cover some bills while also trying to collect assets and support artists. is hardly a greedy operation.

I'm sure you'd find if you were to be involved and help support the stamps ecosystem there's enough opportunity, suppport and enthusiasm to help cover some administrative burden.

Otherwise thanks for the heads up. It's a relief to not have to scramble within a matter of a few weeks regarding massive changes. At least with stampchain nothing has or does rely on xchain or related services.

oh wait i guess all that fkn btc you got from the community a few years ago to support CP full time wasn't for profit since you didn't use any of it for personal expenses.

why use a sock account

Why be on Pepe cruise and not admit who you are 😂

Fwiw, I was aware of him IRL. He was never shifty about that.

One thing I should add because there seems to be a perception that stampchain is taking in "massive" profits. The reality is that there are now 5-6 minting services, so stampchain holds no unique advantage. There's a tremendous amount of activity on SRC20 lately and almost none of that is flowing through stampchain for the record. Its an Open standard and we have to compete with all the other industry players some of which, quite frankly, have much slicker websites than us.

Ultimately, Stamps is as much a passion project as it is any sort of money-making operation.

i didn't make the cruise fwiw because I didn't have a ticket. I never once hid who i was and had lots of great connectionsn with very supportive people in Paris. Were you even there?

tbh it's not very motivating to contribute to CP directly because of all the roadblocks and forced changes that make us scramble to make rushed changes on our end. I see why it was so stagnant for years.

Well apologize and I’m wrong apparently

could have used named assets

Not if I wanted Stamps to succeed. I'm certain about that.

we do have pending named asset support in the new api and explorer. however it may be best to remove that since it will create confusion if other stamp assets aren't shown in freewallet, etc.

why

I guess your projection is based on the user base being incompetent

I'm not rehashing it for the hundredth time. I've explained the rationale. You just have to look at numbers to see that its the most successful project in the history of counterparty by every metric

Nope. Less friction. Ideologicial alignment. But yes, we want to welcome the incompetent too. Everyone is welcome

lol

arguable but wte

Why use Windows GUI when you can use Linux command line... are your users incompetent?" Meanwhile Bill Gates is a billionaire.

you understand that is hard to get xcp without been scammed and that you need to do two tx to create a stamp if you require xcp? is not a good ux at all

and also is enough spam fee the stamping costs

oh no two tx

thats a lot

seems to have been a hurdle for CP adoption all these years

mmm yes for people who comes from other chains and yes with fees as today price

Calling users incompetent for not wanting to invest the time for an NFT project explains so much. Go to OpenSea... they make it EASY to part with your money. They gamify it. Why would you want to add friction lol

didnt bitcoin add friction to traditional banking methods or the system itself?

if you want to onboard people and make your historic asset more valuable you have to remove friction

oh ok

would be impressive maybe presegwit all of this

a little late

Bitcoin made it easy to buy heroin or evade capital controls so it was worth jumping through hoops. People collect NFTs for fun and profit not a CompSci degree

you added security to btc via user incompetence

like min maxing the model potential

benefits where some is lost i guess

I wouldnt even call it incompetance. People have limited time in their day and may not want to prioritize learning the intricacies of one specific blockchain protocol

every protocol is rowing for adoption and here it seems that adoption is a problem.

I'm sure I could fix my own car if I invested enough time, but I'd rather be incompetant and drop it off at the mechanic. I have better shit to do

¯\(ツ)/¯ is all subjective takes on why not to use named assets at the end of the day

enough with the analogies

I agree and we can't rewind time and try it again. But we can look at relative success metrics vs other attempts on CP

your success is measured added security to the btc network not sales and mints

did you make more people laugh?

doubtful

lets change the question, why we should have used named assets? tell me what benefits should had?

https://x.com/BanklessHQ/status/1737538495005302874?s=20

Pretty nice write up from a very big account

incentive to miners helps secure the network on one hand with reduced block rewards if that's a metric.

lol...

subassets, dividends

Here's another: https://www.gate.io/learn/articles/what-are-bitcoin-stamps-and-src-20/1006

all the full cp stuff

we can do dividends and dont want subassets

we can use it

any other benefit?

you cant mint subassets

dont want subasset

you

anyone has asked for them

personally that doesnt mean someone couldnt engineer utility for a stamped subasset

your incompetent user base?

I wouldnt expect them to

coulda woulda shoulda... we can debate all the multitude of things that don't exist.

well subjective defenses for subjective arguments but sure

cool... yet another point where your indexer and BTNS / XChain platform will differ... The value of subassets has clearly been proven in CP... so adding support for it to BTNS... glad to see you guys going your own route and forging your own path... I hope you take all the stamps community with you on your indexer journey.... and i'm doing my best to make sure that happens 👍️️

doesn't mean we can't or won't support subassets if the need arises from a particular idea. we kept things simple for a reason so we could focus on the core and build out from there.

but this has happened always lol why are not all the pepes rarepepes and exists rares, danks, fakes, .... if they are all named and are pepes lets people use the open protocol as they want

Selling whole pepe wallet (not including owner asset )
Serious buyer dm me with the price check out the wallet

https://pepe.wtf/1BCnTBygfP/collection

good idea. i could see the sub token layer on src-20 for art as well being beneficial as an added value to the token holders.

more fun to brainstorm ideas and usecases that can be implemented rather than bash why we don't support things YET.

ppl can stil use the open protocol counterparty-lib however they want.... just cant use my products (xchain/freewallet) how they want anymore.... costs me time, energy, money I am no longer willing to spend 🤷️️️️️️ I wanna be done with stamps and the drama and be free to focus on building on fun software projects in 2024... this change is a step towards that goal.

I understand you bro.

I think the core should be separated from he projects(stamps, and others). if a project uses the CP protocol, perfect keep building. but don't try to force the core to work on the project

counterparty needs a protocol explorer

agnostic to projects

@hodlencoinfield is building out memepool.wtf which serves its data directly from counterparty API... good framework to start with... tho think your gonna pretty quickly run into scaling issues trying to use CP API / sqlite3 database.... either way, its a step in the right direction.

xcp.ninja making great strides

1. STAMPs are net positive for Counterparty imho (+development, +community, +liquidity, +tools, +attention)
2. STAMPs used Counterparty because it was able to do so by using the protocol
3. Counterparty protocol needs developers and maintainers, Counterparty ecosystem needs developers, tools and platforms
4. J-Dog has his own right to support or not and dedicate his resources, energies and time in whatever he considers
5. More explorers and wallets is a positive thing for Counterparty (and they are appearing)
6. This is all so tiredsome

Love you all

removing sqlite and use a modern db is another big step

back to the debugger

I guess if the idea was to create so many numeric assets, with been around counterparty so long, knowing that numerics were not meant for such mass use, you could have implemented as was suggested that upon issuing a stamp it buys/destroys a certain amount of xcp in the transaction, then both goals could have been achieved, or you could have built your own explorer first

You know what else Counterparty was "not meant for"? NFTs. Things change.

Also the xcp idea was proposed.

Cool so use counterparty/frw watever and claim u created the best protocol since sliced bread, I like stamps but just saying that your stance regarding can't use xcp is and was false

we never said can't use XCP. At the time we just couldn't be rushed into a forced 'emergency' change with weeks (or less) to implement. As mentioned we are adding named asset support right now, and there's no reason we can't implement subassets along the path.

These changes on the indexer/exploer/minting/wallet level make it easier to build a user friendly 'burn xcp' mechanism in one mint transaction for the user. At that point it will be easy to implement a burn on numerics if the community wants to move that way. Part time coding on this takes time to move towards these goals, but always open to the discussion. I personally would love to see more XCP burning to help drive the XCP price upwards but that may be too profit motivated for some so we just leave it as-is.

FWIW This was all a test to bootstrap on counterparty with Joe and Jeremy's initial support. Nobody was going to build an entire indexer/explorer/wallet for stamps before even launching to test if there was any demand for such a thing. None of us really thought it would become a thing besides a fringe project anyway, but here we are.

All I keep hearing is stamps wouldn't be successful as is friction, hard for user, I'm just reading the history and noticed that a solution was offered, the mint process could have easily encorporated a buy/burn xcp amount all in 1 transaction I guess this could been worked out if working alongside from the offset instead of just thinking is a great idea to mint loads of free numerics

On the other hand I see the positives also, but just stating that xcp could have been easily used

But I'm talking about stamp 0 and 1, from the beginning, the stamp.protocol could have encorporated xcp but still only cost the minter/user/buyer/seller btc

i'm sure it could have been done that way for stamps 0,1. The decision was made not to do that because of additional complexity in coding up a MVP. The directive was to keep it all as simple as possible, add as we go, see where it takes us.

IMO it would have been a non starter using XCP burn the way it was with counterwallet use and the overall complexity in the beginning anyway. I didn't see anyone stepping up to help me code and implement this additional functionality either. A lot has changed which now allows us to be proactive in new features now.

i had no fkn clue what i was getting into lol. nor the ramifications of early decisions if it did turn into a success. just hacking away in the basement.

Yes but also you have to work alongside the actual protocol that helps you to be functional, just saying might have been an idea discussing the potential outcomes/problems/solutions of minting/abusing the free asset option

Also xcp fee has no sense this days as spam fee could have sense for stakeholders but not with the proposite that was done just to be clear Bitcoin fees are enough highs to act as a spamming fee

nobody brought up the fact that it might be abuse until waaay later. Joe and Jeremy were in the room at its inception

But yh it has moved and is still moving, some good tools have come out of it

I think to users like mikethebestprotocolcreator that numerics were designed to help new users ease into asset creation and not mass use,should have been obvious, as even I knew that

Again this is a philosophical difference of opinion maybe. I don't consider use to be abuse. We want use. Every project wants use. That's how you remain relevant and grow. Burning xcp doesn't even compensate for infrastructure use so its pointless. All it does is add friction. It's admission that use is not wanted.

I don't think J-dog would have added support to xchain in the first place if he thought it was abusive

Again, there was a use for it as explained above

mikethedementedprotocolcreator. I admit lol.

My point wasn't if the use of xcp upon creating a stamp had any benefit, just that it was possible to implement whilst keeping the user on a use btc only system, but yes this would have required a bit of insight and brainpower, so still could have been successful, like when making an easyasset link it costs a token but most users don't feel that effect, fees would have been higher, not discussing any pros/cons, just that it was possible

"so still could have been successful"

Yes, you are right. But when you put time and money into a project, you don't want to take the path that "could" still be successful, you want to go 100% with a strategy. I don't need to handicap myself in a race. I knew what the perception was regarding xcp (which Casey echoed when he launched Ordinals) so a big part of the strategy was making Stamps FUD-proof.

Remember that first stamps was created in counterwallet

No project has 100%, and again if using counterparty assets maybe best to check if creating/spamming so many free assets that I believe were designed for new user adoption and not mass use, that checking first might have been an idea

Remember all stamps are/were counterparty assets

Are are

check with who? Its a decentralized protocol. Did you check with Luke before putting image pointers in OP_RETURN?

Not the protocol the numeric assets

What is not more is xchain assets but remember xchain is a product not a protocol

To mate oe to mart toe

What about them? It's no different than stuffing data into the witness. That wasnt what it was "intended for".

What I'm saying is, the numeric free assets, which give value to the way in which you store date on chain, give all the value to buy/sell, best not abuse what is free?

Other thing is that if we don't mind names why we need to reserve them and private others that really matter them?

But where is the abuse ser

"numerics were designed to help new users ease into asset creation and not mass use, as even I knew that"

Xcp was created as spamming fee and 2 dollars don't do you don't spam counterparty with a token that issuance cost 200$

I think that this 200$ is enough fee

To avoid spamming more than 0.5 xcp

Too late to go back, but it is of my opinion that xcp could have been used, so the "we couldn't use xcp coz of narrative" falls flat, and with heignsight prolly good idea numerics have a fee, fees are high now but that's because of ordinals imo, so plenty cheap enough back then, also read all the drama and seems like there were solutions offered, but ya know giving donations then asking for them back etc etc, I think counterparty/freewallet/xchain has been more than accomodating to stamps

When in Rome and all that

With this clear we can start talking about your xcp bags and in your burning interest to token to pump but what should be interesting to talk about is how to incentive node operators I'm more in the opinion to add a btc fee to the node operator in the issuance that is who is supporting the network and paying for all the rest to use, I'm more in the opinion of add a kind of reward and do the network more resilient as we are planning for stamps indexer operators a communication between nodes to check consensus in definitive in progress not in being with rules written 10 years ago with Bitcoin at 600$

I think stamps have done well, and will continue to do well, but with alot of thanks to counterparty/xchain/freewallet

And I hold about 10xcp so not financially motivated to hold the opinion I hold

If you wanted the full btc play then ya shunt have used counterparty and free assets

But hey grats, u do u, hope much success for all, in no way am I saying I am against stamps but just cut the bs, an xcp fee could have been encorporated

I didn't design this, just start working on it when I saw a message from jpjansen in historic nft chat and as we like counterparty start learning and developing on it that (until this moment we didn't have tested with it so much) just one issuance of a named asset and being scammed from a rugspenser of xcp

Im not against puting a fee neither I just want to understand the purpose of that fee if it is not repercuting on the people who is supporting the tools everyone uses, add a Bitcoin fee on issuances that goes to the node who is creating the tx

This is support for their work to be 24/7 online and maintaining a node

But burn 0.5 xcp don't actually act as spam fee, neither it helps people who is supporting the network, add friction to new users and enrich scammer who scam new people that don't know how it goes

All disadvantages

Yh unfortunately there are bad actors in all areas, but counterparty not as much risk as eth, and people are generally helpful and we try to warn each other etc, most actors are good, but my point is the narrative that xcp couldn't be used, that's all, so no need to enter the convo as I've already mentioned that my point had nothing to do with pros cons

Even stamp ninja wallet has risks, or potential risks

Plus if the xcp was required and embedded into protocol, it could have worked similarly to easyaseet, probs more technical than it needs to be, but deffo possible

Yes for sure

this is a pretty newb question, especially since i've been using xcp for quite a long time

what was the original purpose for xcp?

As far as I can tell "stocks on a blockchain"... the Description field was then repurposed to act as an image pointer

AFAIK XCP token was created as an anti-spam mechanism... and as a base currency for the platform on the DEX... BTC cannot be escrowed by the DEX, but XCP can... hence why XCP was created, to have a native token and be able to showcase the true power of the DEX.

What is THE ‘DEX’ ?

(Not kidding I actually don’t know the answers to the questions I’m asking)

Decentralized EXchange (DEX)

Where you can list an asset in exchange for any asset included xcp

Right. But what is that. Is it like a thing for end users or a thing for developers to incorporate in to things for end users ?

End users can use it

How do they access it ?

Its an exchange where you can trade any xcp asset with any other xcp asset fully decentralized and automated. Freakin cool feature of xchain

Won't work with BTC, but works 🤌 with xcp

Ok so when we say dex do we mean buy/sell orders and dispensers ?

(Commonly used via FreeWallet and counterwallet )?

Or something else ?

The orders

Freewallet, market, danksterpepe/xcp

Dispenser not on Dex its a decentralized automated distribution

Right makes sense

So pepe.wtf , rarepepewallet , FreeWallet, counterwallet all took advantage of the dex

Which is what then counterparty api based data ?