I meant that he should be banned to spare him from this room

See you in another world !

Leave me hanging 😢

I got censored right quick in the other chat. I'm glad I attempted what I knew was almost certainly futile because I learned a great deal first hand about the content of character on the forked team. Adam attempted to ignore me while the chat ran interference. Then I followed up a second time today and was muted after exchanging two sentences with Adam. He didn't follow up.

Bottom line is this chat has free discussions. No censorship. JDog engages the community at great length.

Adam seems like he feels he is above engaging the community even though the problems only came about when he arrived.
They focus on making Jdog out to be a terrible person, yet the obvious reality is it's far from the truth, and in fact I believe they are doing the typical 'accuse your enemy what you are guilty of to create confusion'

The admins over there literally said in a DM that just because I ask a question doesn't mean I deserve an answer.

They run things like North Korea, this chat is America.

Fork seems necessary.

One admin pointed out just now to me in DM that he looked into my mute and unmuted me after 45 minutes. In fairness to him, he was more reasonable than the other mod.

Edit:The other mod is Duncan

It's got to get tiring hopping in and out of socks this many times a day

Like I said to you in DM I'm not a sock, I even offered to show you who I am.

You sir, are the mod I referred to who is worse. You are not acting in good faith whatsoever. Like I said, perhaps you're too caught up in all of this, but your conduct speaks for itself. I am happy to share that here, but it's pointless, everybody gets the picture. I had to see for myself.

None of our communication was intended to be private which is why I spoke in an open chat.

Duncan with the fork group cause of his personal vendetta with JDog

Its like they just found all your fav haters J? 🤣

Yeah... with Duncan it is personal for him... I had hired him as a community director to write newsletters once a month and help moderate the CP channel here and was paying him a monthly fee... he got rude and kicked some community members who complained to me, so after numerous complaints, I removed his administrator powers here... This resulted in him getting upset and refusing to engage further, even tho he was being paid for work. I chose for a number of years to just not speak on the personal rift between us, as it didn't really serve the community to air out personal drama, and as the core dev of Counterparty, I felt it was my responsability to have a thick skin and just suck it up for the community... But yeah, thats the backstory with Duncan... its VERY personal for him... and unfortunately, Adam has no idea of the backstory/history, so he just sees someone who is anti J-Dog and made him an administrator 🤷️️️️️️

As I said in the past when I stepped down from the core dev role.... be prepared for an unfiltered J-Dog... not vengeful, but, not afraid to expose things that have happened in the background over the years, that I just have sucked up and not discussed.... I haven't said anything about Duncan or exposed this drama until now... but, wanted to make it clear, its VERY personal for Duncan 🤷️️️️️️

Not much of a shocker that he is ruling as a mod n muting and kicking ppl from the CP 2.0 chat.... thats what he was doing here and it was disruptive and got lots of ppl complaining. We dont censor ppl here just because we have disagreements 🤷️️️️️️

Beta move

nope.. coding, finding issues in CP 2.0 (btw, testnet is crashing every few hundred blocks, reported it in CP dev chat but haven't gotten any reply acknowledging issues), doing modernrelics.io and ruderelics.io winners/losers updates and issuances, working on freewallet updates, fixing BTC proxy relay issue on tokenscan.io, and coordinating Counterparty Classic updates with Javier.... clicking a couple things in telegram to switch between accounts is easy peasy 🤷️️️️️️

@dimesquanderer I see your thumbs down, do you have some valuable feedback for us?

Just another fork troll

Who’s never been heard of

But also admin lol

Weird how they all gotta hide

dime squatter and Vector have been muted for bad behavior... they rage-quit the channel with Adam weeks ago, then just came back here to spam their links to the CP 2.0 chat (which btw is here if anyone wants to look for it, or search chats for "counterpartygeneral" and you can join it).... They are only able to participate through reactions for the past couple weeks, which is why you see thumbs down and poop icons from them on stuff I say 🤷️️️️️️😂️️️️️️

Pretty sad that some community members can become so institutionalized by a centralized authority

enjoy centralised for profit 2.0 with your banning/muting power

It is not unreasonable to look at jdog actions as an attack on the network and some might not want to engage. Yes I get that jdog thinks this will help a subset of the user base there are of course many that are equally against it. Creating tooling to support a duplicate ledger is not a minor act and is not something that can be easily rolled back. I do agree with jdog that in time things will clear and I have my own views of how this will play out.

Reporting duplicate ledgers, community concerns, missing funcunalities should not be seen as an attack

Running a duplicate ledger is very common to be seen an attack.

But refusing to address huge concerns and community should be

I’m not disagreeing, more that it could be why they do not want to engage

It is a nuclear option

Fork around and find out, hence why I say you need to address 2.0, why wouldnt they do the right thing

They are not the same thing, but I get your view.

One can be fixed and the other cannot. But I will stop with this

More just point out why they might not want this talk there is all

If the concerns were acknowledged and addressed, then there would be less dupes

Because they left and bitched and moaned and ignored, is why we are here

Ok, I hear what you're saying.

Jdog has been with the community for ten years. Adam is newly returning, it seems kind of hostile to not come to the table and work closely with the heart and soul of the community. This is my impression. I'm only a year and a half into this.

total anon newbs associated with stamps that literally attack xcp through shitting in sink dont want real talk

you just come in here and say the same boring shit over and over

They have not engaged in many weeks... It is relatively simple to add back origin functionality, but they prefer to take the hard route that and instead of restoring the origin functionality which community / users use, they prefer to continue forward with the viewpoint that their version is the only version that matters... so, I think it is clear, to me at least, who is taking an unreasonable stance. I never wanted a ledger fork, but it happened, and i've given devs plenty of time to resolve this issue and get everyone on a unified ledger before actions were taken which would cause a permanent fork... Unfortunately, they have chosen this route 🤷️️️️️️

no doubt you make good videos and all but the simping is pretty ghey

You add zero value and your constant attacks are petty at best.

But keep at it

Kane seems like he probably represents how a lot of the artists feel, and it's brutal for him to be put in that position. It breaks my heart as well because the art in this community is dope af.

If I'm in Adams position, he's top of the list for me to address concerns like that.

He is against the fork 100%

As most are look at any market place

Of course, and listening to him he wanted the functions back

We saw plenty of attacks during fee debate, threats of forks, through multiple chats let's say we've been more than frenly

I have not attacked you at all

Postofficeparty have no thick skin, they left and now mute people with genuine concerns, come in here gas lighting repatatively results in some hard truths been spoken

I'm against the fork as well, but not if one side doesn't want to work with the community.

You think this is great I get it, I think that it will cause harm as this is not a small task. I get that you are rolling with it and will stop. But you cannot be suprized that they could see this as a attack

But you are repeating your concerns without realising your asking the wrong people, or you are trolling

No I did not want to repeat as address in CDN

I never said this is great, this is a shitty situation, but I don't run away when people say something I don't like

As to why they could be hostile is all

I’m right here, not attacking anyone

I mean the people u should be asking, your question has been answered here multiple times

They are not going to change and are the core team.

Then so be it

ummm sure…

Ignoring a big part of the community while actively breaking the tools we use to redirect to lesser wallets is seen as an attack our end

I hope you realize in here the discussions go on at length, whereas over there it is "move on" almost immediately. Which equates to stfu.

But they ignored us from the get go, so we expect this now, along with all the trolls

It is not a big part

Some people choose to take a very hard stance and "not talk to attackers" and disengage in times of crisis... That is an unfortunate thing, as not having conversations can never result in a desired result... I saw this behavior with Joe Looney during the last fork drama... as he continued to refuse to engage and finally quit the chat... Thankfully, other devs had cooler heads and not such rigid rules, and put the community and users first, and the fork was able to end in a way that was best for the community

https://imgur.com/gallery/counterparty-forkoff-2024-core-dev-chat-ESAz8ww

I do fully

truth keeps smacking these trolls right in the mouth and they come back and ask the same questions lol

its like whack a mole

What market places and other sites are 9.x

?

Who is the core dev for it and how long is support

Writing is on the wall

for the record, I dont think robot is trolling... he, like many others, are distraut over what this fork means for CP users in the long-run.... but, it is kinda a circular conversation, since the other side is not participating and forcing the end result 🤷️️️️️️

Asking the same wrong question

You do not get it that is fine. I will stop

But answer was ninja lol, doesn't suit the narrative of 2.0 to bitch at them tho

sounds like crying

They migrated no?

You want to know why the hard truths, why the fork, why the attitude, what is the solution, you've been answered multiple times

I get it

You cannot stop eh.

Only recently

Correct, stupid, but they did

indeed they did, but their txs contributed to the fork, as did the breaking of the "BTC Send auto-convert to dispense tx" functionalirty failing.... plus xcp.dev still running 9.61.3... its not just me who disagrees with these changes.

2.0 should by now know what is required but they probs don't care

Yes but only 9.x not both

so dumb why would they take away a feature for sending ₿ to wallet to dispense?

Everything that matters to you is 2.0. The forks existence forces counterparty core to be less centralized until they have better leadership

do they not realize other wallets will adopt this protocol and have to change it back

Not really

They chose their path

And so have 2.0

Honestly guys, I think it is pointless to try and continue to have this circular conversations.... Just gotta wait a week or so for a new release which will add replay protection, separate the ledgers/platforms permanently, and then things can calm back down.... Until then... kinda pointless as its clear the core devs aren't interested in listening to the community and end users, and feel that having some devs on their side is enough for them to ignore the outrage and continue forward with their fork.

With your permission I would like to share our own personal chat history minus your unnecessary selfies

I actually do also

Other than that I don't want to participate in your drama

I have a noobie question, is it possible for forks to merge if the issues are resolved in the future? No right? Once it's replay protected that's it isn't it?

Nope

That is the issue it is a nuclear option

nope its forever Laura

No going back

Thought so

Which is why I wanted people to talk like adults.

the children have taken over at the fork

We have said we hope things get resolved

Multiple times

Happy to share it myself bro 🙂

a grammar nazi lol not surprising

another case of when ppl have no other valid argument... they stoop to correcting your spelling 🤷️️️️️️

low iq

I can see both viewpoints, I agree with a lot of jdog point and my only real concern was to try and prevent a duplicate ledger. Since that is not on the table I wanted to understand how I can help the whole community as this opens attack vectors and will cause confusion (that is just a fact).

talk to the fork tyrants

your energy is useless here

💸

Appreciate you trying to limit damage, and pls check the pinned message as to what I will do to try and clear up confusion going forward and let both communities move forward.

Ya I did and will work to help make sure that people understand what is happening

Cuz most are not even on TG

Can someone verify for me that the crux of the whole argument is basically one side wants to continue using dispensers as-is and the other side doesn't? They want to use dispensers with extra txs to accomplish due to security issues? That's what I gather from just briefly scanning these chats over past week or two. There are other items in dispute but that seems to be the most prominent one no?

Have a good night guys (except for gmoney :-)

will be here for you next time 😘

The duplicate ledger was created when the fork happened. It's already done.
Can't undo. Right??

This is probably a waste of energy here but I think it's relevant that you behaved very poorly and actively blocked me from talking to Adam, then accused me of being an issue. The chat history shows that's obviously not even remotely true. (The Counterparty 2.0 chat history)

The technical issue is restoring origin functionality... but the issue goes much deeper and been brewing for quite a while... I encourage you to view the UNITYXCP token description, as it does a good job of summarizing the underlying issues at play here

https://tokenscan.io/asset/UNITYXCP

B&W for King of the mothership

Whoever wrote that should be the final decision maker for counterparty

If he was against the fork, really against the fork, he would make the fork unnecessary by adding back what he intentionally broke.

No one probs wants the fork, but fork around and find out

i asked first sir jajaja

Kane stupid

Wow

you guys can both naka deez nuts

https://tokenscan.io/asset/FORKAROUND

Kane is a good dude

one of the best

I’m stupid. Great.

I misunderstood who you were referring to.

However, do you believe that Adam is against the fork?

If so, my argument still stands.

Kane Mayfield is a crybaby. Yeah I said it

My only question is from an amateur POV is how do we move CP fw without breaking some things temporarily? It seems thats not really possible. I'm not a stamper or a shitcoiner, but the prospects of getting more market exposure for temp inconvenience seems reasonable. I don't think either side has malicious intent. CP has been stuck in the mud for a decade. I don't see why allowing some fresh blood to tinker with things is such a bad thing and give them some grace if it's not always rolled out perfectly. In the other chat they seem to be well intentioned so not sure I follow why such animosity over temp inconveniences.

Stuck in the mud selling 100s of millions of assets, that language shows your preference

Great take except grace was given and thrown back in JDogs face

XCP price has literally been dead except for the one pump back in 2017, I've been buying and selling RP since early 2017.

So u made a killing last bull?

Not about prices

That's 2.0

Ya sorry for the attack just tired of all the attacks here none stop so when you did not spent the time to read was shot.

being hostile to open source devs intentionally breaking things with the only wallet that uses all of xcp features and shitting on the community?

I made a bit but that's not super relevant.

I saw rare pepes 3rd on opensea other day

They wanted freewallet shut down

If you notice there's not many stamp sales these days

the question is why?

As well as tokenscan. Insane

what is the true incentive of the new tyrant?

to force centralization

Not today libtards

Great question

Dunking on 2.0 is fun

i'm just asking questions guys - I like most of you here, not taking any sides, just observing.

new devs completely killed off sales recently. has anyone seen any activity on xcp? lol

Adam fumbled the ball on the goal line

his ego is through the roof

They're minting a lot of thin Air

And enraged alot of the community, lots don't speak out, but......

But they can enjoy postofficeparty

More like: threw the game

Has cumala spoke yet?

Yeah

Kinda feels similar, when she knows she lost she don't care about staying with her community/supporters

btw I asked Adam specifically on the spaces why he asked JDog to shut down freewallet and tokenscan without any other alternatives available and he completely lied and said he never did

Adam should step down as core dev and just focus on his horizon project

biggest improvement in 10 years is to mint meme coins like true degenerate fuks

no friend, biggest improve is to attach to utxos and allow atomic swaps and be able to say goodbay to rugpensers

should stick to dev work and stay away from any leadership roles

he did lose about 25 million of investor money on the last one

Right and until that happens we shouldn't have broke them and left the community and tried to shutdown tokenscan and start a whole new counterparty

why didnt they do that first? they spent all their time on meme coins lol

Numeric sub assets

Firmament Mike's Big Idea

it is done sir

There is still a lot of infrastructure to build

yes is true but sticking with rugpensers wont build any infraestructure

See my former comment

I started green 3 + years ago neevr got one rug on a dispenser

Right and until that happens we shouldn't have broke them and left the community and tried to shutdown tokenscan and start a whole new counterparty

the funny thing is that atomic swaps naturally would take over

@XJA77 do you disagree?

and dispensers would die out overtime but they forced shit that wasnt ready

would be funny to start tracking your wallet and attack any dispenser you try to buy or sell

bc possibility is there

true colors

no i dontt

troll

CP 2.0 put no fixes in to prevent any front-running... just made using dispensers more difficult and expensive by requiring 3 txs instead of 1 tx 🤷️️️️️️

i would never do it, im not like this, but the possibility of doing it is there

no fixes on dispensers true, 10.4 opened the door for a new trustless way to transact, much more powerful and in the meantime added a prefix to dispense so you can use your wallet without dispense accidental assets

yes bcash lost because they "forced" centralization of bitcoin mining

Same, never been rugged by a dispenser

"opened the door"... while "closing the door" on how ppl actively use dispensers now... without a viable working replacement 🤷️️️️️️

ugh... damnit.. caught up in the circular chats again... AFK for a bit

the definition of harm with intention

Yh the circles never end lol

This

When Adam self destructs, I have a feeling many 2.0’s die hards may wander back… maybe not.

But, Adam is a Squealer.

if at least the version choosen to fork was the previous 10 at least would have been some benefit for classic bc parsing the full chain in 9.6 was impossible now with 10 is possible

another false narrative.... parsing works perfectly fine on 9.61.... in fact, testnet is up and parsing fine on 9.61.3... while counterparty-core continues to choke and require restarts

sir spin up a node in 10 is far much easier than spin up a node with fednode

no bootstrap on 9 was a pain

on 10 i didi it in 1 week bitcoin included

but believe what you want... if it was impossible to parse full chain, 9.61.3 wouldn't be up... oh, and BTW, counterparty-core doesn't parse full chain... they download bootstrap.. EXACT SAME WAY 9x does... even tho there was lots of talk about how horrible bootstraps were by Adam... soon as no one was looking, poof, back to using bootstraps 😛

i have done full parse in 2 versions

9.61 and 10.3

and i can see the difference...

both in same machine

def slower in 9x... but not "impossible" as your claim stated

okey my fault

impossible in less than a month

64gb ram hdd and 8cores

if you saw that you had problems with src721 mints to parse 10k tx in 9.61 in jan sir

Can't wait for the next 10k pfp project on postoffice coin

Wen 10k numeric subasset collection?

I’m not sure what your hardware specs are but with 12 core 64 gig machine. I’m able to get a full parse done in about a week…. Also able to download the bootstrap and get current in about 10 minutes.. or download the bootstrap and do a reparse of the bootstrap data, which verifies all of the data inside of the bootstrap, including verifying every transaction on the Blockchain…. And the reparse completes in a few hours.🤷🏻‍♂️

Their dna deserves some hug rugs

JA just another stamps troll

Me either

Shame no answers we ask get answered

my issue here is im using hdd not ssd i know but same chain different versions makes really big difference

Just muted/banned

Everyone knows the difference lolz

We could care less dude

Ssd or get rekt

Take your problems to 2.0

Fuking noob 🤣

i joinned this community before stamps, i wnt to the first hnft event in barcelona and meet many of the people is here

That's a shit thing to say.
Most of us here love virtuously. Doesn't sound like you do...

Just before

im pretty sure i know more of counterparty and how works everything in 2-3 years i have been here than you

well sir we all know how to troll :)

Always here wen the same crowd do their rounds, you've been nuked with knoladge too often

and i learn with every nuke

and spend many time reading the source code

And we learn how you operate, the stamp trolls

Sucking jdogs knowladge and infrastructure while taking the piss

I believe I clarified that issue earlier…. Counterparty itself took a few minutes to parse in blocks, however pulling the data from counterparty and putting it into an index in a mysql database took a bit longer, which is where the majority of the lag came from…. Inserting, thousands of records into the issuances, credits, debits, balances, assets, and messages tables took time…. It takes time to update indexes…. Numeric indexes are much faster than full table scans, which is why tokenscan is able to handle so many queries so quickly, but unfortunately, in some circumstances updating those indexes can take a while…. Spamming thousands of issuance transactions per block, just so happens to be one of those cases.

Same... I was asking actual questions too...

you can think what you want :) but i rmember you selling and promoting your 1of 1 stamps when they arrived

Your argument is a bit strange since I believe earlier you said that counterparty was able to handle the issuance is perfectly fine but now you’re saying the reverse and that 9.6 person was super slow handling passing the same issuances….. I’m driving so I don’t have time to review exactly if it was you who said that or not, so I could be mistaken

That will be burned, I thought we crossed that bridge, but ignoring the community again and favouring your lot everytime gets old

Stop looking at me swan

my relationship with jdog i believe is good and always has been i respect him, his decissions and his infraestructure and i learned a lot from him i dont piss him, we think different in many things, yes but i have not disrispect him never

We did an auction for you guys, next day you started doing your own

And never really participated with anything else, the claims that on boarding is benificial from stamps is bs unless u are doing the next stamp grift

Keep shitting in the sink, and keep trolling here

(Wallets don't implement replay protection. The node software does. J-Dog released a version of Freewallet that only works with an out-of-date version of the node software, from a year ago. He did a completely half-assed fork, and that's dangerous. If he wants to add replay protection to that old version and complete the fork, it'll become more or less safe to use. As long as he doesn't screw up again, of course.)

This is untrue

No release

no sir im done with this channel going to hibernate here once again

I agree, we may have different viewpoints and aggressively defend our viewpoints, but JA and I have always been able to respect one another on a technical level in DMs.

Well we couldn't discuss anything in 2.0, that's for clear

just wanted to clarify before that i respect JDog and learnt a lot from him

May the fork be with you

Tbh in this channel, you mostly get attacked with toxicity

May the 4k be with you

Mayby respect with words, but is it respect when you demand to be accommodated, threaten forks, and come here and wanna talk forks

Mayby not u personally but as the whole group that defended stamps interest

Then your back here to troll just at the right time

this is not stamps interest is counterparty interest

A half assed fork? I’m just running software from a year ago like Adam said…. Yet I’m the fork? Much confuse😜🤷🏻‍♂️

That's what you kept telling us lmfao

What are you talking about I just got muted and banned from the fork channel I wasn't rude I didn't swear I wasn't even trolling I was actually asking questions about the fork they muted me.

And u still spinning the same shit

I'm right that there is no freewallet release?

Send the next stooge in plz

They in there gearing up

All this bs cudda been avoided by repairing the sink u shat in

It’s like a bug infestation

Thought u were leaving?

Their dear leader spreading lies

I see u typing

Same 7 dev/stampers whining about toxicity

On repeat

JA is in the other chat along with coffee boy licking Adams nutsack 🤣

Same back in the last bs

Fork + election = liberal tears overdose

Degen shitcoiners rekt

What a great day

I think weve heard enough from JA in fork room here.

Xcer licking god king nuts

If we know where these people stand no need to rehash stuff

Big boy licking ass

send all the chat please

He sent what we wanted to read, don't need to read all that shite

You will be muted if u continue to troll

We've entertained you enough soyboy

They're building Solana

Soylana

Not today… 2.0.1 is latest freewallet release… maybe a release tomorrow👍🏻

Yeah so he is just making things up and saying them

J-Dog released a version of Freewallet that only works with an out-of-date version of the node software, from a year ago.

Quote from adam

[Fork the World]

to clarify…. There is a version of FreeWallet called FreeWallet classic, which can interact with counterparty classic, however, the release has not been linked in any counterparty channels shared with anybody or linked from the freewallet.io website…. As the intention is not for users to start using classic until after the replay protection is enabled and it is safe to do so.

The only updates that have been put out for “FreeWallet” in the past month. Have been updates to support counterparty 2.0.

Anyone is free to verify this simply by visiting the freewallet.io website, where there is no links to FreeWallet classic yet… https://freewallet.io/

Feel the love we are gonna have to figure this all out.
Has there been any statements of peace and love for the community that uses xcp and counterparty. From the new devs ?
I know all the users here love creating and supporting each other.
Some love from the
“top “ down would be nice.
?! How many projects do the devs ?! Support ? I always wondered.
I’m a little guy and I try to support as many as I can and hi-light artists kickin butt. Why doesn’t cp ?

I went on spaces with them and was nice as possible they came back with lies and gaslight everyone. they have an agenda and dont give a fork so they want to fork around they will find out

Reported issues with testnet consistently crashing 12+ hours ago in the “dev” channel… no reply or acknowledgment of the issue🤷🏻‍♂️

Did you make a GitHub issue?

Nope, when I make GitHub issues im told that I should have found issues months ago, that I am mistaken, or my comments marked as abuse and issue closed/ignored… testnet is not critical, so I’ll just report the issue in “dev” channel... issues been reported in dev channel for many years🤷🏻‍♂️

Hopefully issues are fixed before a problematic reorg hits mainnet and takes it down and yet another “hotfix” release needs to happen🤷🏻‍♂️

API errors flagged can’t broadcast any ideas people!!

Trying to set up a JSON

prolly best to ask FreeWallet questions in Freewallet chat at @freewallet_io and wait for a response vs asking same question in multiple places

Sorry ya

fork around and find out really is (passively) a great call to action

I don’t think the devs are watching that channel. Github is where real devs take care of business. Submit a pull request or two if you want real results. Contribute code to the conversation, instead of comments. Submit an issue on github, there are other devs on github and that is the purpose of github. (I see a kind fren derp has done this for you. save time and go there direct, or see that there is already an open issue by dimeSquanderer with similar issues where adam has begun addressing the issue using github protocols)

Technically speaking, How do you plan on implementing replay protection?

Winner announced on X, thanks everyone who took part 🫶

U obviously can’t read

Nope, when I make GitHub issues im told that I should have found issues months ago, that I am mistaken, or my comments marked as abuse and issue closed/ignored… testnet is not critical, so I’ll just report the issue in “dev” channel... issues been reported in dev channel for many years🤷🏻‍♂️

Hopefully issues are fixed before a problematic reorg hits mainnet and takes it down and yet another “hotfix” release needs to happen🤷🏻‍♂️

Obviously

is Adam dumping on us? rumor is that he secured a very large bag of XCP before he came on as dev

@Niftyboss1 any idea who is dumping?

LoL dumping the forked version of XCP 🤣🤣

XCP 2.0 (the fork) going all in on numerics & numeric sub - assets 🤣🤣🤣

FORKDUMP

PEPEDUMPFORK

I've had enough. You're going into the crystals now too.

Thanks? kek

🤣 you guys.. gm to everyone 🐸

Hi guys how is this project going?

Everything is lovely

“In a crystal we have clear evidence of the existence of a formative life principle, and though we cannot understand the life of a crystal, it is nonetheless a living being.” - Tesla

I am a digital packrat, storing things for many years... but not up to 360 terabytes of storage yet 😜️️️️️️🤷️️️️️️

I guess Mike really likes us

GMoney, of all people, I thought you'd get a Trump meme: https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/whats-with-all-the-jokes-about-donald-trump-trapping-liberals-in-crystals-the-bizarre-meme-trend-explained

must be a canadian thing 😂

https://x.com/BakedTurboFlash/status/1853684814005612816

Anyone know what all the bit quest broadcasts are about ?!

Gheyness?

Hmm piles and piles of them lol 😂

Bitquest .47a
and on and on.
Ah I found the original

https://tokenscan.io/asset/BITQUEST.1

Then I guess all subs hmmm 🤔

All the way to .47 I think now

I see u put xchain and frw there too

That's lame titanium treated quartz.
These guys deserve au natural 🐸🪖🙏

Looks like an ancient holder just woke up and sold some XCP on dex-trade

A small amount, but enough to tank the ‘official’ market rate

No large (5000+ holder) has sold anything lately, I believe

Am currently travelling for a few days - will double-check the on-chain data when I get home

Are you guys aware of how legendary JP Janssen's early experiments on Counterparty really were?

If you are aware of OLGA, have you heard of JPGOLD and JPJA yet?

https://x.com/davesta_xcp/status/1854983802000753044

there's two XCP now?

How is everybody doing today

I can't speak for everyone, but I am doing fine. Thanks for asking.

No, there’s just one. A handful of tokens were split due to a marketplace using the old software, but they have since updated.

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Yes, there the ledger forked a number of weeks ago and now there is "Counterparty 2.0" and "Counterparty Classic"... You can learn more information about the fork at https://tokenscan.io/fork

stop giving false information when users ask genuine questions, or you will be muted.

Counterparty has gone through numerous updates over the years. The complete ledger does not fork, but certain actions result in limited balance discrepancies, which yields a different ledger hash.

If someone chose to run version 9.59, their ledger would differ from the 9.6 ledger

If J-Dog changes the prefix, that would produce a duplicated ledger, which is a more common fork.

Correct me if I’m wrong rather than throwing accusations please.

“In Counterparty great efforts have been made over its history to ensure that any "software forks" do not result in a "ledger fork". This has been achieved by extensive testing of features in the new "forked" version of software, before release, to ensure that transactions are interpreted in a reverse-compatible way.”

Yet, this has occurred numerous times in the past. Why not add a list of all the times Counterparty has had a protocol update that formed its ledger?

The new fork (2.0) resulted in:

*users losing funds (dispensers etc)

*2 ledgers with significant balance differences (duplicate assets, allowing for defrauding users)

*loss of functionality for many users (mainly loss of functionality for freewallet while other wallets are being pushed, with lesser funcunalities ) (breaking functionality without valid working better alternatives)

*core devs butthurt when told about these issues early on and asked questions for the community that these issues effected (rather than listen and fix what was required, the blame was put on jdog as if the issues was his fault, when freewallet was only ever running on 2.0) then the core devs ran away from this chat.

*8 releases/updates in 3 weeks, none of which addressed the concerns raised (fixing the sink you shat in)

*all efforts to reprtatively blame jdog and troll and gaslight here in this chat, yet mute and ban users in other chats for a few words if you are not of their opinions)

Tldr, 2.0 fucked up, they are now postofficeparty, they favour such things like numeric subassets over what the majority wants and user safety, they caused alot of shit, and best they can do is blame jdog and troll

Releases in the last 3 weeks :
counterparty-core 10.4.3
counterparty-core 10.4.4
counterparty-core 10.4.5
counterparty-core 10.4.6
counterparty-core 10.4.7
counterparty-core 10.4.8
counterparty-core 10.5
counterparty-core 10.6
counterparty-core 10.6.1

This is what not properly testing your software before release looks like. Which is strange, because I thought we all heard that they had built an automated test system to make sure releases were stable... I wonder what they are testing in their automated tests 🤷️️️️️️😂️️️️️️

"Counterparty has gone through numerous updates over the years"

How about over this 3 week period lol

Fork around and find out

Fork ur mother if u want fork

A duplicated ledger already exists. Historically, the new version of software is always called the fork and historically the new version of software adds the replay protection in cases like this.

However, in this case as the core developers caused the ledger fork, refused to add functionality back that the community wants, and also refuse to add replay protection to separate the transactions done on the two ledgers from affecting one another, counterparty classic will implement replay protection in the coming weeks.

But to be clear, at this point, there are two different ledgers that exist, and two versions of software that exist.

Counterparty classic is the traditional version of counterparty, which has been running for years. Counterparty 2.0 is the new version of counterparty which added some additional functionality and also removed functionality.

The new version of software is counterparty 2.0 and therefore it is the fork, and no software has been released yet for counterparty classic, which changes any of the code.

I have made no changes to counterparty, release any new software, and yet clearly two ledgers exist, which users can view

Classic.tokenscan.io

Cp20.tokenscan.io

So your statement that if “J-Dog adds replay protection, two ledgers would exist” , is misleading, and makes it sound like I am the one making software changes that caused a fork and that two ledgers do not already exist.

The reality is two ledgers already exist, counterparty 2.0 put out a new software release, which caused this ledger fork, and is not doing the responsible thing of adding replay protection, as they should, since they are the new version/release of software. Therefore, I am being forced to add replay protection in the coming weeks, to ensure that transactions done on counterparty 2.0 no longer affect the counterparty classic ledger and platform.

True, the ledger has forked every single time there is a protocol change. The whole counterparty system has been held together by the shared belief of all users in the community that the new ledger is the true ledger and everyone just agrees to use the new ledger and ignore the old version…. This has always been the case, and generally has worked because everyone agrees that the new version is better than the old version.

However, how this ledger fork differs, is that, in counterparty 2.0, features were lost which the community actively uses daily, without suitable replacements in place.

So now a large portion of the community is upset about that lost functionality (dispenser ‘origin’ functionality) and wants it added back. However, the counterparty 2.0 core developers have refused to add that functionality back, which has caused a divide in the community, as some users prefer “Counterparty Classic” with features that they have been using for years, and have come to rely on, and other users prefer “counterparty 2.0” with new features that are yet to be proven.

Traditionally, you don’t remove functionality until it is clear that there is a suitable replacement for that functionality, and that better solutions exist for users to migrate too before removing functionality ….. however unfortunately, that is not what has happened in counterparty 2.0.

This is why there are now two versions of software and two ledgers that exist…. And why there is no consensus within the counterparty community as to what is the “counterparty” ledger…. As a result, “Counterparty Classic”, the version of counterparty that users have been using for years, and “Counterparty, 2.0”, a new version of software, are named different things…. Because there is no agreement on what is “counterparty” by the community.

All of this has been explained to you many many times over the past month, and yet you continue to come here and troll and give misleading answers for many weeks without being censored or limited in any way.

However, at this point, I feel it is appropriate to mute you for a cooling down period.

Anyone who would like to review the interactions of the past few weeks is free to do so at j-dog.net/archive/

Anyone who would like to know a bit more about the divided community can review a good summary, created by a community member, by viewing the page at tokenscan.io/asset/UNITYXCP

Tldr: numeric subassets

Jokes but yes can't count how many times this has been explained

And if it wasn't for this chat/jdog, as a user, I wouldn't have a clue what was going on coz 2.0 are Mia regarding ligitimate concerns

https://classic.tokenscan.io/fork

Yes, it is unfortunate that the core developers have chosen to leave this channel after trying to kick me out for asking questions about lost functionality, and then not being transparent about accepting venture capital (VC) funds months ago, and disclosing any possible conflicts of interest.

It is also unfortunate that the ledger fork has happened, and that the counterparty core developers have not made efforts to unify the community by adding back the lost functionality that has caused the rift within the community.

Myself and others have gone out of our way over the past month to make sure that all voices are heard here, and that no one is censored or booted from this channel in an attempt to silence alternate viewpoints.

The only time anyone has been muted in this channel (not banned or removed) was when they violated the counterparty content policy, which has been in place for many years, and is pinned at the top of this chat for anyone who wishes to review the content policy.

The efforts for resolution and time taken to repeatedly address everyones questions including trolls here (this side/jdog) is evident

Yup. Money hungry imported devs decided to fork counterparty. They did no testing and it screwed up the functionality along the feel of entire project. So now the lizards are trying to convince everyone that the old version is the fork because the new one is fishy.
No one is doing anything with counterparty for right now.....

Why are you lying? You being paid????

Low effort AI

That’s about what I would expect from you, Duncan… I point people curious to learn more about the issues at play here to the page created by a community member which discusses the relevant issues…. and you focus on attacking the art🤷🏻‍♂️

Glad you are participating in the real counterparty channel.
Aren't you a moderator for the fork channel?

No Jeremy removed me as moderator of this room a long time ago

Everybody knows this channel belongs to Jeremy's personal project and has for the last 5 years

You are moderator for the fork xcp channel right?

You're looking at it

This is the real counterparty channel.
I'm talking about the fork channel 🤔

Keep up with the nonsense. See how far that gets you all. Tell me what the fork is a year from now

Indeed… after numerous user complaints

Says the retard moderator from the fork channel....
No conflict of interest there.....

Yeah... with Duncan it is personal for him... I had hired him as a community director to write newsletters once a month and help moderate the CP channel here and was paying him a monthly fee... he got rude and kicked some community members who complained to me, so after numerous complaints, I removed his administrator powers here... This resulted in him getting upset and refusing to engage further, even tho he was being paid for work. I chose for a number of years to just not speak on the personal rift between us, as it didn't really serve the community to air out personal drama, and as the core dev of Counterparty, I felt it was my responsability to have a thick skin and just suck it up for the community... But yeah, thats the backstory with Duncan... its VERY personal for him... and unfortunately, Adam has no idea of the backstory/history, so he just sees someone who is anti J-Dog and made him an administrator 🤷️️️️️️

Your motivated by money.
We are not the same.
Everyone gets real "classic" xcp at the price they deserve....

A fork is a technical term, and the new version of the software is always the fork…. Whether or not one version has more users or less users in the future does not determine which version was the fork.🤷🏻‍♂️

Exactly

Big surprise that you're being inauthentic. How about you share the parts where you insisted that I take the position and then you asked me to perform my duties as a woman. Pervert

Really? Pretty childish.

Stop trying to scapegoat on me. Try to grow up and be responsible for your own bad decisions. That's my beef stop having a beef with me personally please

You meant like cleaning shit out of the sink?
That's not woman's job. That's everyone's duty

Bro u are so unhinged and triggered its hilarious

Lol

wtf?!? As a woman? lol…. I have no words… you are mental bro

I have the screenshots you shitstain

Show them now

I was thinking about packaging the entire chat history into one nifty little token

As you are a moderator in the other channel, and you continue to only troll in this channel and throw around false accusations without proof, I feel it is appropriate now to put you on a mute time out as well

Wait till we start burning everything on the forked 2.0 ledger... 🐸🪖

Big man abusing his power again

I'll go back into silent mode since that's where you've kept me for the last several years with your tyrannic rule

Show the chat

Then post it in the fork channel.
But put piece of bread in middle of you fukers circle this time.... Last one holding forkxcp2.0 eats the bread...

Ok woman 🤣

FORKWARD

you mean I'll go back to the fork channel and bitch about those mean intellectual frogs hell bent on saving humanity...

I just did a real quick search in my chat history with Duncan over the last few years for the word woman and found no instance of it🤷🏻‍♂️

I have no idea what the hell he’s talking about… and I’ve been happy to post screenshots from my side, showing the conversation when he has asked 🤷🏻‍♂️

Adam dumping xcp i suggest we all dump

Dump it

Why won’t he show the chat?

That’s the best he could come up with? 🤣

He's mad they have him cleaning shit out of the fork sink...

Cause he’s lying

But to be clear, I have never, and would never ask someone to pretend they were a woman or a man or anything else other than their gender.

I’ve hired five different community directors over the years to put out newsletters, including Rebecca Moss, Christian Moses, sister…. And other community members, where I don’t even recall the gender that they are..

Pretty crazy that we’re stooping to the levels of making up insane accusations like this now. 🤪

Tbh he acts like a woman already 🤣

#softwar
Vector
This way bigger than we are seeing.

Too much soy

Dumping forkXCP...🤔?

Yet another false accusation, as I have never moderated you in this channel, and you have been free to speak over the past few weeks and have not been muted or kicked or any other nonsense until now🤷🏻‍♂️

Iam hearing xcp dump coming

Get out now

Imo

Sell

Sell

Sell

Duncan I interacted with you very briefly and it became absolutely clear you're not acting in good faith. You're not a person to be taken seriously.

we are buying thank you for the tip

Ya i dunno i think xcp could go below $1

LoL that's fork xcp you retard.
We have been telling you the whole time the forked ledger is going to get rekt .
Keep selling ...

Dev on fork got 100,000 xcp

wil buy it all the way down

I like both versions personally

Long as dispenser works...

Jdog prolly gonna dump too

I think this is a dead project and all devs gonna dump on us

Your dumping out your brain rn 💩

is this what you guys have resorted too? lmao

iq of 3 troll

😂

Nope… I own one percent of the XCP currency and I have no plans on selling anytime soon, regardless of the price

Are dispensers working on freewallet? To buy xcp?

I love my large bag of xcp that is not leaving my hands anytime soon and picking up more on this di

Holy shit 1% that's a centralized amount

Also, I see no big dump…. The price that people see is driven by a small amount of trading volume on the one exchange where XCP is listed….. I’d trust the price of XCP on dispensers much more than the price given by the exchange where there is very little volume required to move the price up and down

Pinky finger back on craigslist again for sale. Will buy corn n xcp if it sells 🤣

Xcp dump due to fork issues not being resolved

Maybe last chance to sell above $1

only idiots that dont know whats really going on would do that sort of thing

God your retarded

I’ve been buying XCP over the past 10 years to the tune of spent 30+ BTC…. I am a big believer in decentralized communities…. And would rather hold my XCP forever as a badge of honor, then sell for a loss.

another forkhole kek

Yes

Devs getting rekt for retarded performance... Plus they don't understand NAKASENDIT so they are just selling to buy shitcoins n pepefair mints 💩🤣🤣🤣🍿👀

When there is volatility and uncertainty, the best action is to take no action and not act from fear and emotion… and I would encourage you to stop promoting such action

I don't know there's too much uncertainty around here I'm not promoting anything I'm just telling people my perspective based on evidence presented

If you don't like evidence I can't help you

Fuggen PEPEFAIR....
🤬
This shit is hilarious..

Way too much uncertainty between the two ledgers both devs could dump us below a dollar just saying

You can ban me but you can't stop the truth