- 04 January 2018 (532 messages)
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XCP $100 because of blockstream fork. Hard fork. What will you call it?
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By an objective measure
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On the aesthetic and emotional - I’m calling it as BCH is Bitcoin
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Bitcoin gold is the true bitcoin
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So everyone who has xcp or counterparty assets will get them on Bitcoincash chain?
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Bitcoin pizza ftw
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Longest chain by cumulative proof-of-work in SHA256
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Yeah with a rollback of what two or three months?
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A great as-yet un-answered question with diametrically opposed views
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Which one is bitcoin?
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The blue one
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Definitively the yellow one
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So the one with less cumulative work?
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When the blue one crosses the yellow one the blue one both practically and definitively
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Right now - it’s just practically Bitcoin
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Hahahha
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Ghostbusters
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Yellow & blue makes green
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Like a PEPE huh?
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K🐸K
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Julian which do you want to succeed more: blockfreight or counterparty?
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Blockfreight.
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Else I would full time Counterparty.
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Others might think that by not full timing Counterparty I’m giving the best chance by my absence 😂😂😂
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Ymmv
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So then why do you care about forking counterparty? Why don't you implement your own custom blockfreight meta protocol?
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Oh - because you didn’t ask me what I want to succeed more: Blockfreight or Bitcoin
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A: Bitcoin
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I'm sure your investors love that attitude
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The customers don’t give a shit about Bitcoin
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And the investors care about TAM and ARR
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Maybe you shouldn't either
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Investors care about making money, you should care about making them money
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First and foremost
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Dan - give me a postal address and I’ll dispatch you some swag
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Bitcoin is money
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Build blockfreight and ICO that. Build support
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So I care about making money
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But you need counterparty support
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For your blockfreight
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jesus
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see yourself out plz
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Sure. I’m not trying to direct the conversation on this topic.
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It came up - it’s morning in Melbourne
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I was giving a response
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Talk about whatever. Thx. Out.
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XCPP Counterparty Platinum
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Hahaha
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Hey Juli wait. What will you call that shit.
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XCP Dark
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Nice
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Fork that shit Juli. Lets get this money and fight in court.
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Joined.
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Hello everyone
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I'm here to ask about the relation between BANK coin and CounterParty
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Counterparty is opensource, any developer is free to adopt the protocol for use
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Is there a roadmap for Counterparty anywhere
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or some fundamental events that i can look forward to
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Yes bear with me whilst i source the link for you
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We also post monthly newsletters one will be posted in the next week with ecosystem and developer updates
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Lovely, Thank you!
- 05 January 2018 (133 messages)
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2 sock puppets in a day.... that must be a new record
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Cum Sock
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Does it really matter what anyone “decides” to do?
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The info is on the blockchain forever
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Or am i misunderestimating something?
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I still think vast majority of bitcoiners don’t even know what counterparty is
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Majority of btcers only been around a year or so
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Easy for old timers to forget that
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What were you talking about?
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Coinbase tomorrow
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deflections. Idunno what to say mang... they are taking down the site anyhow. There are people here worth working with
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Lol. Controversy sales. Hard fork means #FREEBANDZ
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https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XCP big sell wall
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Yeah, they're trying to cap the rally
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Watching. So many questions.
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will this instruct me on how to align my galactic chakras
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yeah, so somebody's just sent $1.435M worth of XCP to Zaif.
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https://xchain.io/tx/1155108
From 19H2r1Xf86P8eSybk4vvuHBpdRdChzmR1s to 1PNkBxnz5ePW8FeK6CSs8V2fGHcN9B6HNk -
which seems very strange, as there are only 1117 XCP on the XCP/BTC buy side and 4187 XCP buy orders on the XCP/JPY pair.
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28,706 XCP a lot to send to an exchange where the entire bid side is 5300.
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Is there some kind of amazing XCP launch party about to happen in Tokyo, where suddenly everyone will be throwing millions of Yen onto Zaif to buy it up?
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getting ready for rpp
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might want to selling off slowly
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same guy
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hmmm, 170K PEPECASH sent plus 113.7K BCY... emptied their wallet... presumably then a Japanese holder who's just seen the foundation dissolution and various proposals to fork to other chains and has decided it's time to sell out.
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Oh well, stand by for cheap XCP dump on Zaif. Calling my Japanese mate now.
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the force is strong in this one
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or someone might be expecting a pump
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yes, that could also be their view
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I'm trying to read back to learn on the discussions being made here
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That bank coin guy seems scammy as heck btw, all his links are websites that look half assed
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most contentious week in counterparty in a long time :)
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yeah, that #bankcoin thing, when I see that I just mentally substitute #wankcoin
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He's saying bank coin will replace tether
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Ew
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nothing against people trying to build projects around counterparty tokens, but he's just been talking utter gobshite.
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The white paper is a joke
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Not content but
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White png on blue background
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So what's going on with xcp?
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People are projecting a weekly chart back to ath
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Which is like 500k sats
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I think I need to scroll up way more
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To understand this cp stuff
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Is there really anything going on?
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also rare pepe party coming out soon™
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i find it hard to find things on that site, just saying
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multi peer multi asset sends are a unique feature
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is
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sweet thanks.
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@Bewinxed I'd say start here and work forward from there to see everything that's happened in the past month and a bit :)
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Thanks a lot mate, hero
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What would be the explorer and source code if we create token on counterparty??
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Please help
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But dear i can give as source code of my token named Bitether created on counterparty
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??
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Advance thanks for help
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500 members!
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because of this
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people are expecting based on past history and meme lines that XCP will hit 500k or so..
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which is like 13 times the price right now.
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so expect people like this soon
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Would be nice
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😄
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yeah
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might be a move to pull in people to
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dump on them
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"When pump?" and "is project ded?"
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remember when everybody shilled xrb?
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2 solid questions
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and everybody was fuuck it
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and it went 300x
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so..
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I like that one ^^
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Oh hi galaxy
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I found this based on your TA @mariinmariin
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thanks for yesterday's lunch
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i guess
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Cuz before it was $100 or $1000
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no it wasn't
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Right in the middle would be great
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it was high but btc was cheap back then.
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you're welcome :)
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TA is juicy indeed but i think FA is needed to push it.
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Yeah
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Although TA and a fork was all it took for ZCL to moon
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can you please leave your shit group links outside of this group?
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Yeah XCP is dumping, not pumping
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😳
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Do you know about atomicswap between XCP and XMP?
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What's XMP?
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It is a port of counterparty to monacoin.
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Oh cool
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it's not dumping because of itself..
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It's reacting to BTC
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just like everything else.
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Thanks man
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True
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Coins that break out now really run
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Because they stand out
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- 06 January 2018 (475 messages)
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Joined.
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Hey all, just getting setup on counterparty wallet and I only see BTC and XCP as the 2 coins. So if I want to transfer $TRIG to my wallet is there something I need to do (like make a new wallet specifically for trig) or do I just use my BTC wallet address of where to send TRIG to?
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Yep just send to the address in counterwallet
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Okay, just wanted to confirm since Bittrex transaction fee for Trig is absurdly high (5 trig / tx) and didn't want to send to bitcoin address and end up losing all of my coins (if I had to make a seperate address to accept specific alt coins)
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Thanks
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All the coins I'm holding are in either exodus / NEON wallet
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Other couple coins I have im not sure if I'm going to hold or not so Im just keeping on exchanges for now
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But as far as I know counterparty wallet is the only one (or at least the only wallet that Trig suggests to use) that accepts Trig coins
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NEON is to store NEO / GAS.... Exodus wallet can hold several different ones (i.e. BTC, ETH, OMG, DASH, LTC, SALT etc.)
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Last question, do I need to have a small amount of BTC or XCP in my counterparty wallet before sending TRIG there?
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Or will counterparty wallet automatically deduct it from the TRIG coins I send
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(to cover the transaction fees)
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Okay awesome thanks @PepeTheFrog 👍🏻
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Haha I'm pretty careful and do my research before moving any coins to a new wallet (hence all the questions)
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well the blocksafe ($TRIG) team has only suggested 1 wallet to store their coin on so I know counterparty wallet is able to store
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Oh so you've never stored any other alt coin on counterparty wallet?
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Damn, glad I didnt send my Trig to counterparty wallet yet, seeing as how XCP is the native currency for the wallet....
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Well why and how is everyone storing $TRIG on counterparty wallet then? Bittrex just announced they are de-listing $TRIG so this is why I want to move to a wallet, I've seen screenshots, even TRIG team members say everyone should move their coins to either Binance or counterparty wallet
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how about
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instead of moving stuff to stuff you don't know about
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move it to binance
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less risk + you can liquify if you need to
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So I KNOW counterparty wallet can hold $TRIG coins on there, I just figured it was best to ask in the actual counterparty channel before I ask in the $TRIG channel where everyone is cranky as hell right now...
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Bah okay will move to binance for now then
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Thanks for trying to help
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trig is a counterparty asset
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i think it's TRIGGERS
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Yes its TRIGGERS
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you're all set with counterwallet
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it can hold TRIGGERS
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indiesquare wallet too
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Pepe, sorry but I dont like that you advised me without knowing wtf I coin I was even talking about
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you can say everyone on the TRIG telegram is
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$TRIGGERED
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THANK YOU
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😂😂
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LOOOL
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cmon it wasn't that bad
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cryptopia cmon accept my eth already!
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reeee
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So just to confirm, this is indieSquare wallet I downloaded on my phone. I just send TRIGGERS to the BTC address I get from tapping the "receive" button at the bottom?
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Don't need to do anythign else?
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nope, just send it and it will show up
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if you ever want to send your triggers out of your indiesquare wallet, you'll need some btc to pay the tx fee
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Okay perfect, thanks for actually knowing what you are talking about and helping me out 😀
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Pepe is still on my shitlist
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"shitlist"?
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i'm TRIGGERED
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Might be interested in this thread currently happening... https://twitter.com/hrdng/status/949452456341245952David A. Harding
@LukeDashjr @theinstagibbs @petertodd It sounds like you're talking eliminating the ability to operate on arbitrary data, which IMO would be more detrimental than eliminating non-transactional data is beneficial. If you want that, maybe focus on mimblewimble (which has other benefits too) rather than changing BTC.
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Can you translate what Luke is saying
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He no like any non-transactional uses of Blockchain. Wants to stop them
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Kind of sounds like it
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Luke Dashjr
@hrdng @theinstagibbs Obviously we'd have to block off OP_RETURN spam too.
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just luke being luke
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1 tx per block
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looks like we going to need a little more patience with XCP.
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luke has always had a beef against OP_RETURN
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the OP_RETURN wiki article begrudgingly mentions that it can be used for non-transactional protocol
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So is this systemic risk to my Rare Pepes?!
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nope
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cip6 done
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p2sh encoding ftw
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Feels good, man
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good thing is it will handle op_return banning just right
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bad thing is it needs 2 txs
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op_return isn't going anywhere
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just have to pay for it like we always have
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When Lightning Network Pepe?
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chris moss working on it
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crosschain atomic swap pepe
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the many avatars of pepe will be liberated into trans-dimensional astral chain-walking spirit beings
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Well done Praise Duarte, you found correct wallet information for your TRIGGERS... unlike some others on the Blocksafe Fuondation Bitcointalk thread who couldn't figure it out... e.g. "Can't find any wallet to store TRIG, Im not gonna invest any cent into it."
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Sorry, I don’t trouts.
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No TROUTPEPE for you nathan
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Just reviewing the Counterparty roadmap at https://counterparty.io/roadmap/
2018 doesn't include "Week 1 - Dissolve Foundation"
Several participants in this group including myself, were attempting to create a climate for dialogue, mediation, reconciliation and renewal.
Some people were throwing shade too, but I tried my best to express optimism and convey a message that matters could be resolved in a cooperative spirit with input from members of this community.
A few days after that, with no further recourse or reference to msyelf, or to my knowledge anyone else who offered to contribute to finding ways forward, poof, no Foundation.
https://counterpartytalk.org/t/the-state-of-the-counterparty-project/4332/4
"It is in the best interest to dissolve the “foundation” "
In whose best interest?
As someone who has invested significant sums of personal funds and other investors funds into projects built on counterparty, to whom I am accountable for their trust in Counterparty projects and assets, it certainly doesn't feel like my best interests have been represented by the dissolution.
Is there going to be any further clarification on what the heck happened, other than Dan and Dante's videos, which while useful only tell part of the story from their perspective.
I suppose asking for some accountability at this point is like shouting at the sky or pissing into the wind?The State of the Counterparty ProjectThis forum thread is being added here in order to convey the state of the Counterparty Project to any who have an interest. Recent discussions and individual decisions has resulted in the need to transparently summarize an important change to how the Counterparty project will proceed. Foundation Dissolvement It is in the best interest to dissolve the “foundation” and all members who were voted as foundation directors have either agreed or have already excused themselves. The following decisions...
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Ded jim
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there is monaparty... maybe
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Yea. Monaparty and atomic swaps.
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@jsmith_dev So your company Blockfrieght, will do a hard fork of counterparty and will create XCPDark? All my Dank rares will be Dark rares also. Limited editions and limited existence collectible assets on bitcoincash chain! BACHELORPEPE, BLAINEPEPE, RARELORDKEK, RAREKEKUIT, PEPEPOWERONE, PEPEPOWERTWO, PEPEROSS all on XCPDark as well? It will be a hard fork just like bitcoincash correct? Oh wow! PEPECASH Dark.
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Perhaps PEPEDARK wills it.
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"Dark Pepe has the power to destroy other Pepes."
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Seems to me this is what happens when you have a foundation run by volunteers that dont want to deal with the headache of disgruntled community members using it as a whipping post
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Awww volunteers dont get paid. Too much value involved and some want their fair share. Maybe...
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I would expect everyone to look out for their own best interests always
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Note to self "I aint fuxing with you ninjas"
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Thank you for the capitulation
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welcome @hojin_jang
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TBD.
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Julian is here to confuse the market
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Not prejudice.. want to have more input.
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Make this commitment though:
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Website forum will be up shortly (under 24 hours) to canvas exactly this sort of input from Asset issuers.
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You guys trade frog memes - I’m in logistics - and yet I’m confusing the market? What market?
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By asserting that you can "move" counterparty, you're telling the market that it's a completely centralized project
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I guess.
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Great morning @jsmith_dev
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You've also been claiming that bcash is the true bitcoin which means that the assets on the bcash chain would be the "true" assets
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You have given me.....
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That’s why as best I recall I didn’t use the term move.
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No I’m saying Bitcoin Cash is better p2p digital money.
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It doesn't matter, you want to claim the true counterparty lives on the true bitcoin
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not sure how to interpret this... but when you take on a community directorship responsibility, you make a commitment to the community you represent... I did that for my city for 8.5 years... as you weren't a director, I won't ask you to say anything further about this on their behalf, but in my experience, stepping into such a role, t's not something to be treated lightly. such a position is all about engaging with community, onery disgruntled characters and all, so why did people take on roles if they didn't understand the nature of that commitment. rhetorical question only unless a former director would care to share.
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Bitcoincash is centralization.
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It cheaper faster and awesome.
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Are you going to be contacting exchanges to get them to switch over to the true XCP?
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How
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You're just attempting to roger ver the counterparty ecosystem
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It needs all of Bitcoin support to survive. If it is true, then it would stand up and out on its on.
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The directors seem to feel it's in the best interest of the community to dissolve the foundation
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They were elected to those positions by the community right?
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a position which was not put forward to the community for consideration
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‘Move’ ‘switch’
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Bitcoin was cheaper at it's early ages. Still moves faster. I just set orders with .000777 fee and .0003 works as well. It's not faster by far.
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Geez, bait words much?
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I've been calling for the dissolving of the the foundation for the better part of 2yrs, the kinda shit that's been happening the last couple weeks is what you get when you have something like a foundation
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So y’all have some serious comms to have here or just bluster fucking me?
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You do what you want Julian
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I'll keep running counterparty node on bitcoin
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I want to give more clear answers to more clear questions
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That’ll be mutually helpful right?
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Hey Juli, stick a fork in it. Lolz
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🙂
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Copying assets to a new chain and claiming it's the real counterparty is an attack on the existing one
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You don't seem to understand that
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You guys are tag teaming me framed steel trap questions..
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But seriously. Aren't you creative enough to come up with something similar and new with a twist?
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It’s well, silly.
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If that’s the point fine.. but I’m bang on about what the port is for and why
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Doesn't matter
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You jumped into the ring. We just invited you here, so to say.
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It is what it is
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Frankly I think Counterparty is really important
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As is Bitcoin
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Relieved is the word I would use to describe the existence of the Bitcoin Cash chain
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Both are. Duh. Power, value, and a great support system.
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Practical is my view on the motivation of getting Counterparty protocol on that chain
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Why you think those idiots forked bitcoin. And others follow
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The asset owner issues are palpable - and really I want input FROM YOU
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But you are asking me like I know your view better than you do
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And I just can’t practically represent your opinion and interest for you. So please own that.
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We wouldn't dare help you in that department. Implement it and get more insight. But i feel you. All others have failed except counterparty. So why not fork it. BCH did it. So now its your turn.
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Well there is no Counterparty on BCH yet.
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Like going to the fridge and there’s no milk for a white coffee.
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sorry, had to take care of something, sure and yes they appear to have discharged their duties in accordance with the bylaws.
it's one thing to follow the rules, quite another to provide leadership, clarity, transparency and confidence.
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Fork Omni or Colored Coins
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It's fair if you think it was a failure of leadership
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Omni.. maybe
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Colu is already doing that work.
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Lolz. That a boi
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curioius to konw what's happening with Counterparty on Mona too, there's a MonaParty now right?
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Next interesting tools for BCH would be RSK and Drivechains (if I can get my head around that)
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are we gonna have MonaPepes as well now?
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That has been in the making. You didn't know? Im thinking right after PEPECASH got on zaif but not sure exactly when.
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it occurs that way for me. maybe I'm being unrealistic in expecting things to have been managed other than how they were, but I'm left with the experience of opacity, hidden agendas, lack of desire to provide any reassurance and a lack of consideration of how to best continue to provide a viable community leadership body.
and now we have... JDogParty?
I think J-Dog has done (and AFAIK will continue to do) amazing things with the sites and services he provides to run everything, but now our entire ecosystem has a single key man point of failure?
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NM90 tells me he's going to run another node and @therealloon3 you're running a node too? Plus @chiguireitor ?
But we have no other block explorer than xchain, no other counterwallets than the official one (on J-Dog's server?) and his CoinDaddy one...
So I'd be greatly reassured if somebody could take the time to elucidate on the current infrastructure model, stability and any need for further redundancy.
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Year of the forks was 2017. Your actions are the reason many projects will not be open sourced and great technology will be privatized. Idiots, clowns, theives, and whateverelse to call you Roger Vers of crypto, will be the cause of more regulations. Lol. I guess you will be like Dr. Satoshi Wright and file for patents and trademarks that are not yours as well!
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Jdog has all the web properties in his name and he holds all the funds.
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Nice move J.
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Lol
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the assumption that its centralized around jdog is incorrect, anyone can run a federated node and if you have the ability you should run one too
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funds are being refunded per that message board post
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if you have the ability to create a block explorer you should do that too
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Those funds should have gone into a trust account with a lawyer only to be used to benefit the project
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Some would assume that. I take it as, he took the initiative to do what needed to be done. If it was centered around his actions, counterparty would've probably been jumped chain. But its not centralized buy him. Zaif has their team going. RPW, BoO, Indiequare are not centralized by J. So....
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okay, so I understand the decision of the board in its dissolution was to cede those web assets to J-Dog.
not minuted in the forum thread, which didn't help my understanding of what was going on.
not sure I understand the rationale of refunding general funds either.
all presumably done under Section 3.11 of the bylaws.
##Section 3.11 Distribution of Assets Upon Dissolution: Upon dissolution of the Corporation, and after all known Corporation debts and liabilities have been paid or adequately provided for, any remaining net assets of the Corporation shall be distributed by the Board of Directors to any one or more organizations selected by the Board of Directors that will help to further the purposes of the Corporation. -
The domains should have been renewed for the max time
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had you not quit the foundation then you could have prevented dissolvement and advocated for that
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...and also held in escrow
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Okay, I will run a federated node, I will get one up by end of the month.
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It seems JDog actions spoiled many hidden agendas.
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I don't have that ability at present, so will pass on this for now.
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Thanks Helene, appreciate the good work that you and team #FoldingCoin are doing. I did a lot of folding in December.
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yep this is my view as well
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I suppose you can stretch a sock, put it on your head and call it a beanie too. But just like that summary it requires almost no filter of reasonableness be applied and pretty much just a yes-man predisposition to go along.
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refunding general funds allows those donating to contribute directly to CIPs or projects they think add value to the community
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As I’m none of the above - I’d have to call BS on that.. and can’t imagine it’s what you think.
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Yes
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all the web assets were all in a in jdog’s name long before any of the recent events
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So it’s a trolling statement. Right?
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handed over by robby, who owned them all prior
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dante and dan are fighting windmills
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um. did you not see yourself out?
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okay, I can accept that as a valid premise :)
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jdog was involved in the hidden agendas. He held all the money and would threaten to pick up his toys and leave whenever people disagreed with his opinions.
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like ever other statement you have made here
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Looney was one of the people who was planning with jdog to rebrand and start the project on LTC
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More like paint a glow around a pictures head. Add blue eyes & blonde hair. Call it Jesus. Put it on every wall in peoples homes, where they shop, in books worldwide. Sale a lie, get support. Those that make it right or just acceptable by the "normal" standard.
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Oh - what like a permaban or quit? No. Did you want me to?
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you said you were leaving. and here you are. filling the room with hot air
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I can tell you 100% that they were discussing the best way to jump chains.
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in fairness to Julian, what he has said so far is he wants to canvas all views, including all asset holders, he's putting up a website for people to do that and I suppose it can all be thrashed out.
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hahahahaha
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Counterparty Cash port is Open Source.
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Whistle blowing is not bickering.
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dante has more windmills to fight
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ive always been very publicly against "moving" counterparty because i know that's impossible
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Joe was a part of this
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part of what?
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Yesterday I left to do IRL things. Today I’ve been referenced asked some things by people.. what’s your counsel?
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Not be available to respond?
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The discussion to jump on LTC
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hahahahaha
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the trouble with a lack of transparency, ongoing disclosure of discussions, we end up with this he-said-she-said situation and there's no official documentation trail to go by.
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from what i hear that was your suggestion
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@jsmith_dev So your fork gives me free coins like bitcoincash did us?
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but i wasnt on those foundation calls like you were
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I can't take any sides in all of this because I lack most of the data I'd need to form any valid conclusions
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So, all my Danks will be Darks & Cash? @jsmith_dev
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have i ever steered you wrong RPN?
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no
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Why does J-dog need to be selfless? I don’t trust people claiming to be selfless.
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More data can be made available
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please make this data available
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post all your private conversations
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we can do it together Joe.
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@FloridaBitcoiner I didn't have time to watch all the videos you and @droplister made, nor do I know the content of earlier hangouts, conference calls etc
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Don’t expect so.. that seems weird. But hey it’s possible.
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Nice Dank to be dark. 1 of 1. I should buy it, huh Juli
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i have zero conversations of me advocating for "moving" counterparty
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can I clone your hardware?
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because that would be ridiculous
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regardling hashing out everything that led up to the dissolution of the foundation, as Hillary famously said, "what, at this point, difference would it make?" I'm not sure that it would forward the action at this point.
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Cute Joe but you are the only person saying “move”
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apparently dante was the one that setup the discord chat where he advocating moving to litecoin, convenient there's no record of it
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How do you propose a hard fork to a new chain then, without mirroring the old chain?
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what?
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What you can do on Counterparty you can do on Counterparty Cash is the default position.
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Duh
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The finer points of how assets are treated is an open discussion
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pretty much everyone whose anyone has most recently taken the position that counterparty is not "moving" to any other chain.
on the table we have @jsmith_dev porting to Bitcoincash, with a new site to come to canvas views on how to do that.
there was a discussion document featured in @FloridaBitcoiner and @droplister third video, current status and players positions unknown / unclear to me -
So now Joe is making a bald face lie that I will hold him to
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Like diametrically opposed views on what is ‘best’ exist right now.
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this is what shawn said in the slack, im just repeating what i heard, i wasnt on the call because i wasnt and have never been part of the foundation
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Why would any established entity like certified rare pepes, sog, and many others, start new and fresh from your cash assets?
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And I haven’t even had a Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Spanish, German conversation about it yet.
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it may or may not be true, i have no idea, because i wasnt on the call
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you are the one yelling fire in the theater when there is NONE
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So forgive me for not having adequate data to form a view.
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but dante has stated openly that he WAS on the call, its in the droplister videos
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who else was on that call dante?
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maybe we should poll everyone and see if everyones lying but you
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Then you are repeating someone else lie and ducking responsibility when it’s called out as a lie.
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whats my responsibility? id like to know who else was on the call so we can ask them
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thats looking for facts
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me?
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Why would anyone use your Counterparty Cash?
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was not directed at you.
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ok i couldnt tell
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