Lmao wtf what are we arguing about

always cool setup muliple dispenesers on a single address

You can use you main addrsss to open up all of your dispensers now

We know

I thought it would dispense multiple assets

I don’t think everyone does

I didn’t know that was included

That’s insane this is even an argument lol

yes they will... maybe you should check the functionality in you beloved "Counterparty 2.0"... still can do multi-dispsensers... and any dispensers on an address trigger with a BTC payment.... lol.. her fighting like you know WTF the functionality is and you clearly dont

Meh, it's been said over and over.

yeah, if you want them all to be dispensed with a single BTC payment... hence multi-dispensers

They can be isolated I thought

if you want to setup a dispenser to only trigger ONE dispense... you gotta use separate addresses... which is now 3 txs instead of 1

"you thought".... nope.. maybe get the facts straight before you talk knowledgably

easy to test... setup 2 dispensers on same address and trigger dispense... POOF! multiple dispensers triggered with a single BTC payment

Yeah whats with these guys.

Easier to blame me and call me a wannabe king and not technical enough to keep up.... rather than look in their own house for problems and admit that even THEY dont know what functionality CP has now

Its weird af

tough to hit a moving target when the answer is always the same "not working now, but give us 2 weeks and we'll have way better solutions in place"... meanwhile... the children of africa who depend on dispensers starve...lol

A bunch of people i thought I respected went full retard

Only good thing to come from all this drama is some ppl exposed themselves and their lack of technical understanding and that it is easier to just go along with Adam and finger-point at J-Dog as bad guy than understand the actual issues and address them 🤷️️️️️️... and FYI, wasn't refering to you specifically cornholio.... I think yours was an honest mistake of not knowing what functionality CP 2.0 currently has, cuz it is truly tough to know

He thinks PEPEFAIR is worth a shit...

Yeah that's the take away 💯

Why wasn't CP 2.0 tested before release?
What was the rush??

I think Adam will ended up finding someone else to stand at the top. He isn't capable

I could be wrong

Yeah, I misunderstood that aspect I guess. Thanks for clearing that up to me. I thought multidispenses went away too.

He/they can do the work but they cannot continue to make final decisions

The literal founders lol

I believe someone very capable will be able to stand up

i belive there was some discussion about being able to selectively trigger dispensers on an address in the future, so I can understand why it is confusing

I know

Everyone knows that

It was but the bugs apparently "slipped through the testing suite" despite the bugs being called out by jdog

Guess they are infallible then... I wonder why they left Counterparty in the first place 🤷️️️️️️

I think there is probably someone who was here then and never left who can step up

I would've thought someone like Looney until i found out 30 mins ago he is mysterious pathetic lol

He is good in public

He did create rarepepewallet.com and did a good amount of work over the years to push forward PEPE and experiment, like many of us here... I still have respect for his work, just not for his actions the past year. Character and integrity matter bigly to me 🤷️️️️

I used an analogy and he ran with it as literal to form an insult. It's like CNN

But xcp.dev is down at the moment, a new bug in v9 emerged. Will try to get it fixed later today

yup, fixed it this morning. https://github.com/jdogresorg/counterparty-classic-lib/pull/1

Feel like I’m watching cnn

I fully agree.

Vector 🤔

Youre Xcer Lemon

Feel like I’m watching Real Housewives of Counterparty 🍷

was related to a Counterparty 2.0 sweep which was done on an address without XCP in the address (a consequence of the ledgers diverging)... and shared teh fix with Juan about 10 minutes after it was discovered... not many ppl running 9.61.3 nodes, but if anyone is, there is the fix... and a new release will be forthcoming with this hotfix.

Get back in your wifes purse

Umm hmm

So what room is this now?

I’m the wife 💁‍♀️

Kek read the title

Oh your joke really works then

same as it always has been.... seems like Adam left and created a new room (forked)... so, maybe you should ask him what his new room is?!? 🤷️️️️️️😂️️️️️️

"Counterparty 2.0" has a nice ring to it 😛

Frogs at work.

Can we at least agree that no one would actually use both versions? If this is the case why promote and older version unless you think the new version is bad and should/will not succeed?

Why not add back the thing

I actually will, for multisends

you are going to activly use both versions

moving forward?

Unless you just don't want to out of spite?

I’d rather original functions be added back to 2.0

That is not what I'm aksing

asking

This is the real question

why would I propose that the core devs add back functionality that the users use and want back.... vs just immediately releasing tools? Look between the lines bro

I get this all 100%

I want the

original.

functionality.

back.

Joe sees them as threatening a fork... I see it as simply exposing my intentions very clearly, and giving time for compromises and adjustments to be made to solve the problem BEFORE we go down a path which can not be undone..... but, as I said, that window is rapidly closing... as in, less than 24 hours... keep gaslighting.. or, maybe, take the other route

ok so then if that is not done you will stick with 9.x

and then at somepoint down the road that will die

Can’t wait to see classic lol

I beleive

I’ll use 9.6 for multi sends

I am not sticking with any version... I am supporting both versions and providing users tools to use the version they want.

I get what you are doing

but asking who would actually use both

I cannot think of anyone

or reason

Allowing people to be scammed for massive amounts of money, but hey, your saving the other 5 people 2 txs

Guess what, you've already been using it for the entire time you've been in counterparty... lol... it should come as a huge suprise to you tho.. lol

Me. I would.

9.6 for multi sends

other than picking which version you want to win

in 2 years I doubt you will be on 10.x

How about you be quiet and let the big boys who understand the technical implications and how ledger forks work talk.... your like a yapping lil chihuahua creating unnecessary noise

Also, ser, putting the warning on counterparty.io is super condescending. FW is TRUSTED. They could've just left it off their list.

I don’t think anyone even cares about a fork at this point

I want the COMMUNITY to win, which is again, why I have waited a week, proposed many times that origin functionality be re-enabled... but, unfortunately most of the week has been talking to ppl who want to ignore facts and instead take the easy route of saying i'm the problem for not embracing changes that break things

If I can have a real wallet (not a browser)

That I can use previous functions through

I’m all for the new stuff too.

I'm not talking about what they are posting... I do think if FW has a classic it is a vector of attack

He has a point

FW desktop is basicallyu a browers app hate to tell you

Clearly your able to read situations very clearly... more talk in this room in the past week than the past 6 months... but NO ONE CARES... your ability to read a situation is stunning

Watch, origin function won’t be added

I'm just saying its part of the full picture here

got it... so more talk, not gonna go back to Adam and even suggest compromise.. Thx for your clarity 🙂

?

of course it won't, I know this, but it would be irresponsible of me to immediately do an action which is irreversible without telegraphing my intentions and letting the other side have ample time to make adjustments to get everyone back on the same page

Yes I get this 100%, the way that this has gotten to here is not great, I get that

Cool, people don’t care about the fork as I said or they would add it back

Could it be backwards?

?

That's why Adam has to relinquish control

No one likes to be bullied

and yet your in here engaging and hollering about how no one cares rather than doing something better with your time... clearly ppl care

pot calling the kettle black.... some could have the viewpoint that the community has been bullied into these changes which broke functionality 🤷️️️️️️

Counterparty core can’t accept to be bullied or it will happen over and over again

just to clear the table, we are now only talking about 1tx dispeners vs 3tx dispenser right?

ahh... so its about principle now and not about doing what is best for users. got it.

Attack is against FW
🤔?

And Apparently I am just a bot…

Bullied is not the word

😐

And multisends previous functions

Hostage, whatever you want to call it

Be careful you are going into conspiracy theory territory kek

Meh

I thought that waa addressed

Correct.. specifically the origin functionality (which adam will greatly resist, because he uses it as the main reason to remove addrindexrs... but CP still has addrindexrs, could easily be added back, and could find some other replacement for addrindexrs... only uses addrindexrs to check if an address has any history associated with it... BTC or XCP... which does NOT require addindexrs and could use something else)

Adam failed and continues to fail to lead

No.

Multi send, though are possible, if you have to send like 70 or more like I will soon, it will cost a fortune with current settings

Just sayin...

Gave up on the "vanilla BTC send to dispensers" issue a while ago, while I disagree with the viewpoint, I can see value in making dispensers safer for use... However, the loss of origin functionality (ability to open dispenser on new/empty address in 1 tx, and then close dispensers and return escrowed funds to origin address) is what ppl are upset about

so it works just costs way more and it not the same workflow

Way more…

ya I get that

correct... after being told I was wrong and that CP never had that functionality, and that I should have found the issue months ago.... Adam did finally do the "right" thing and add back support for memos

Its literally just spite from Adam. He must hand over the crown

so, only talking about origin functionality, which will complicate his removal of addrrindexrs, but is doable

Summon the yarls.
We must have an Althing.

You could blatantly hear it in his opening statement

so if that is not added back to CP then running both version and promoting them helps users how long term if 9.x become dead?

and I do not mean to say the remval and rollout was good at all, but more if we are moving forward and based on action parties are going to take

"if 9 become dead" is an assumption.... best path forward is restoring lost functionality... there will always be ppl who will want to run old stuff for reason... ETH classic exists, BTC Cash exists.... are they the majority? nope... but they continue to exist... so the viewpoint that "dead" is a big assumption

For me personally, 2 things.

1. I can continue using the less expensive multi sends short term.
(WHICH I MUST DO)

2. If Adam shits the bed with 2.0,
We still have the original available.

Let’s see your wallet buddy

quiet chihuahua... tech ppl speaking

I wish that saying that if UL shits the bed we can go back but that is not really a posibility

meanin going back

one of them will be marked and promoted dead

He wouldn't even say JDogs name at first. What's going to happen is they won't do it. They will move on and eventually dispensers will phase out. I also predict Adam will find a better person to be the top person for counterparty. I might be inclined to nominate you ser

Bitcoin been dead 20 times... Counterparty dead a bunch as well... Dogeparty was dead for 6 years... yet all are quite un-dead..... dead things have good company

Dispenser worked well but do have pitfalls, over time they could get better (but I do agree they will be phased out I would think)

I have a project that is not something I plan to make money with.

It is something I have asked for art from the members which my wife and I are going to create a collage out of and send each art submission a copy.

The project card is called: PEPEKIDS.

So you don’t have a wallet?

agree... once better solutions are implemented, tested, and working in multiple wallets, community can migrate to better solutions.... removing needed functionality which is used now to force users to solutions which do not exist yet is unacceptable

This project will be a massive multisend

Bro stop it

😐

Look up PEPEKIDS.

My wallet owns it

If your wallet doesnt meet Xcers wallet size expectations, guess your views are irrelevant... lol

Apparently

If I could honk a horn in your face I would

That is the main part, thinking it is unacceptable is fine, running and supporting both 9.x and 10.x is not (to me a solution) that solves anything and in the end can only cause damage.

I do not see any net positive from it

You know what they say about wallet size

Apparently, I’m a bot.

I will say the roll out was not good AT ALL

Its not about bags

140 sends in 2 years and your worried about multisend and how you would use it all the time lol

Gotta say, thank you for taking the time to have a rational conversation working towards solutions rather than the nonsense we have seen in here earlier today... I still am doubtful that Adam and team will compromise at all, but, at least you have done a very good job of understanding the viewpoint, and seeing that compromises COULD be made.

He's new. Fade away

i'm not talking about bags, I have dumped more money into XCP than most

without any chance of recoop

LOL... yep your wallet and its history is not to Xcers needs.... 🤷️️️️️️😂️️️️️️

I’m just a pleb bot

Love it all convos are fantastic for card ideas lol 😂

I took that to be the positive part. I come from an angle that counterparty is inevitable

same... spent 30BTC over the years buying muh XCP... still way way under 😛

Xcpisdibesss

So I don't care when the new users finally get here

I have 2 btc or more in and I live in a 1 room shack

I doubt that I will change anyone minds, and can see how people feel and want what worked before back. That I truly to see and understand.

95% of anything I've sold I've used to by other assets

He’s a good guy, doesn’t scam anyone, comms can be challenging.

Ya I guess I should clarify, I have spend more in CP paying for stuff that are not assets of bags that are a monthy negative without the idea of making money from it

Scammers used to hurt community with their dispensers are really angry too by all this changes. Its nothing better to onboard new people that saying them to buy from dispensers but just from ones of the people they know.

Like just buy and trade Bitcoin from people you know

Send him a D pic...

At the very least, you could present your viewpoint to the powers that be... I realize that it is probably pointless and compromises will not be accepted.... but, appreciate you taking the time to understand what is truly going on here, and take the time to explain it to those who have JDS (J-Dog Derangement Syndrome) 😛

I appreciate all your work

Its exactly the same as TDS lol. Wow

I'm trying to see both sides and only got very vocal with the idea of running both versions as I think that will cause issues over any amount of time.

It won't. No one will care.

Best solution is for sure only running one version, but users have needs which are not serviced by the new updates... hope that changes.

New users are directed away anyway

So Freewallet is still the only wallet that supports the import of PK’s, needed to move assets from Emblem vaults?

I do my best to not take it personal... the Counterparty MSM only speaks in half truths and only highlights the worst behavior and conflicts 🤷️️️️️️ Everything is political 😛

Its gonna look great on Davestas timeline and that's about it. It was also good to find out early that Adam is not up for a leadership role in counterparty. At least not publicly

having 2 versions from the top wallet is going to cause confusion and issues 100%, that I just know. If it is a vote by version, 10.x is going to win and anyone who was on 9.x will be upset if they do not understand this

Here is one of my daughter’s submissions.

That could have been supported safely by requiring users to sign a message with their PK to show control of the target address, when nominating it as the target.

Avoiding the spam problem of people opening dispensers on Exchange addresses etc

It won't be the top wallet until they fix thier code. Horizon/firemint/ninja degens won't even see freewallet unless they want to, especially if they remove the slander from counterparty.io

I've gone out of my way to make it clear the pitfalls of not having replay protection if there are different versions, and have warned ppl where the "edges" of using classic would be... again, best solution is compromise and adding back origin functionality which has been lost and remove the need for users to seek out an alternate version which suits their needs

But since they will not do this the outcome will be the same, users will run a risk of being upset. I do understand that people want the change but running 9.x is not going to get it

I rescind my nomination, you're not getting it. Zoom out

and I know we are going in circles a little so will leave it at that.

As I said, it is what it is, it is unfortunate that the counterparty core devs will not restore functionality that users are clearly upset about losing, nor add any kind of replay protection to their new version of the software "Counterparty 2.0".... but, at this point, its been 3 weeks of ledger divergance and 1+ week of waiting for compromise... so, it is what it is

I'm looking forward to streamlined counterparty./ FW / Xchain / all other future wallets.
It's the Future.
There is nothing remotely similar.
All of you / us are breaking trail.
Not sure where we are all going but  are breaking trail.
All Roads Lead to XCP.

Threw all the chats I study I’ve come to one conclusion this community is passionate!
90 percent help each other and 90 are not technically savvy haha there just awesome people artists and collectors

All I know is that attaching assets to UTXOs always made sense to me. Ideas like numbering schemes for satoshis never did. Wallets aren't piles of sats, wallets know about UTXOs, and if assets are attached to those every Bitcoin wallet that cares to be can be asset-friendly and risk-free. The future.

Yup, i agree, however current users shouldn't have to suffer NOW for future improvements... coulda all been done in parallel... new solutions before breaking the old solutions.

I think it is prudent to maintain an old version while a new one is being rolled out, so it's good jdog did so. However, providing tools that will allow scammers to scam in new ways is not worth saving users a couple of txs.

Anyone who gets scammed deserves it

Humanity being squeezed through filter right now...

This is why

It won't be the top wallet until they fix thier code. Horizon/firemint/ninja degens won't even see freewallet unless they want to, especially if they remove the slander from counterparty.io

Why does an old version need to be maintained? All the data is on Bitcoin and GitHub

Hey funny question 🙋
If I have somthing on a fairminter ?
Can I issue it into a directory? And attach the image like normal ?

How is Jdog preserving anything?

Maybe it will be the first fair mint into a directory because it’s already approved !!?

Once again, showing your lack of understanding of how ledger forks work… if you don’t got time to understand it sorry I don’t have time to explain🤷🏻‍♂️

Don’t worry, though, according to your logic, my opinion is irrelevant anyway because it’s not in line with your views so no big loss for you 🤣

I understand it perfectly fine, thanks though

Oh, you do huh? Well, then, why are you asking questions?

Trolling perhaps? lol

Wasn’t a question tbh

Can’t have it both ways, bro either you know what you’re talking about or you don’t….. by the way the question mark (?) at the end of a statement makes it a question just for future reference. 😘

Well, for the big multisend I need to do soon, it will allow me to actually afford the send.

But, I’m too new or a bot apparently, so, not sure it matters.

Are you trying to ban me, since I can’t be a moderator anymore

I removed your moderator permissions yesterday because I dont trust you to not do something shady like try to kick everyone out of this channel and drive them to your new "Counterparty 2.0 Adam" channel.... but, to be clear, didn't ban you, or remove you, or limit your speech in any way... as that is how I operate, unlike others... who rage-quit, then join again to spam their views, then accuse ppl of censorship (bots dont like new ppl joining and spamming links and images), then quit again.

You may not agree with my viewpoint, but I have not done anything to censor your viewpoint... simply called out your lack of understanding, your willingness to disregard views of users who disagree with you, and your trolling

I understand perfectly fine, but thanks for making it look like I don’t

Not sure why you continue to remain here other than trolling, as you seem to think the new "Counterparty 2.0" is the bees knees... so, maybe just stay over there 🤷️️️️️️

2.0 is this room lol

Until you make it not lol

You’re literally trying to hijack CP

Oh it is? I wonder why Adam, the core developer of "Counterparty 2.0" quit this channel earlier this week and started a new channel then... strange behavior if this is the "Official Counterparty Chat"

I am not hijacking anything, simply providing tools to allow users to use lost functionality that your beloved Adam and team refuse to add back based on principle alone.... and, continuing to engage with you is pointless waste of time 🤷️️️️️️

You’ve disbarred me as a moderator because I support 2.0

Seems like hijacking in the room we all participated in for 10 years

no, I removed your administrator powers because I don't trust you to not pull some shady shit in your support of 2.0... I already said this, but you dont take the time to read.. lol

I removed your moderator permissions yesterday because I dont trust you to not do something shady like try to kick everyone out of this channel and drive them to your new "Counterparty 2.0 Adam" channel.... but, to be clear, didn't ban you, or remove you, or limit your speech in any way... as that is how I operate, unlike others... who rage-quit, then join again to spam their views, then accuse ppl of censorship (bots dont like new ppl joining and spamming links and images), then quit again.

You may not agree with my viewpoint, but I have not done anything to censor your viewpoint... simply called out your lack of understanding, your willingness to disregard views of users who disagree with you, and your trolling

^^ maybe read

K thank you 🙏

No bumpers

But everyone is in here 🤣

JDog could shut down fw and tokenscan tomorrow and live happily ever after

Who’s hijacking? Whos the disrupter? Whos intentionally causing division?

Yall bringing some weak ass fiat beta energy lately

Had break and think I can put my thoughts more clear. I get that people are upset with the loss of functionality or cost increase but how does providing a 9.x that will be a dead chain help anyone. Anyone that choses to use it will be on a dead chain. While they will be able to do what they did before it will not be anything that will have use later. It does not “help” them at all, or is a perception of help that will bite them down the road. This is not to say who is right or who is the fork just the reality of what I believe will happen. While I do agree some would want to stay with as 9.x not enough people and it will not be promoted at all and the opposite actually.

It’s still a free permissionless blockchain

Maybe move to N Korea

What if UL runs out of money and has no wallets? Lol

Symbiont went bk went from 28 mil to bk pretty quick

Horizon is open source

Your reply does not make sense, yes I get that it is free and do what you want, just my opinion of what will happen

So was counterwallet 🤣

I’m talking about JDOG supporting both versions, he has commited to 10.x which is great

It is the 9.x that will not help anyone long term I believe

Many of us aren’t doing anything for a awhile. Feels good man

Counterwallet actually worked fine for many years after the devs left

fact: v9 nodes are so heavy and slow that almost nobody was able to run their own node

In the short term, having an alternative to use without replay protection and warning the users of the areas that could be hazardous like dispensers when using classic, allows for the possibility in the future of the used problems to be resolved by adding functionality back to counterparty 2.0 that users want, and the damage done is limited as the transactions that are done in classic take place in both classic and counterparty 2.0.

If however, there is no plans for counterparty 2.0 to compromise and add functionality back that users clearly want, then it really makes no sense for them to not add replay protection to their fork, as that would isolate the transactions on counterparty 2.0 to their ledger.

I’m pretty sure I know how things will play out , but I don’t want to fully close the door on getting back to a unified ledger by adding replay protection.

It seems silly to me to continue to ignore users that are upset about loss functionality and continue to go down this road rather than compromise and gaslight…. But that seems to be the path that Adam and his supporters prefer to take.

So thanks for the answer lol I know a lot going on but for others you cannot change or add description during fair mint ! So you know !

Counter wall still works on doge party… which has all the same functionality as counterparty…. The only difference is that Javier and I applied one of the suggested fixes to counter wallet on doge party to get it working again….. where with counter wallet on counterparty Adam refused to apply any fixes and called the software old and broken rather than making a simple tweak to get it working again🤷🏻‍♂️

all of this is easily visible in GitHub history.

I mean banning me as a moderator because I’m going to destroy this room and take away his power lol

This I get, but I think that it is going to be a 10.x world and anyone using 9.x is not going to be happy. So providing tools to enable user to get into a bad spot because UL did not do but is happening because of something that is being done is not great is all.

He knows all this more than we all do

I think you need to understand the difference between banning and removing administrator powers…. Banning is kicking you out from the room…. Removing your administrator powers simply prevents you from taking administrative actions in this room, and does not censor your speech or views in anyway…. But you know this very well and wanna keep trying to play with Word salad until you hit on something that makes it sound like I’m the bad guy.

I guess it seems that running a 9.x will apply pressure to force UL to bend the knee, and I;m not saying they should not, just that I doubt that will happen is all

It’s ridiculous, I wouldn’t purposely ruin this room, it’s not mine to ruin, it’s the communities

So it is an active choice

It was

To run a 9.x that I think we can agree could be bad for users.

But it’s still the communities room or Jdogs version room?

That chose that path and actually not help them long term

Unless 9.x wins

Doesn’t seem like any winning is happening while

I also agree that I don’t see that happening, as I have seen no humility or compromise from Adam since he has returned…. However, at some point, if you don’t stand up for something you stand for nothing…. And a number of users have requested that a version of counterparty software, which was truly decentralized and community driven be kept alive.

Once again, I would prefer to only have one ledger, and did not create the fork nor the ledger divergence…. But the continued arrogance and inability to admit that changes were made which the community disagrees with and functionality was lost, is what has gotten us here.

I guess you could view it as a filibuster.

We won’t surrender until our small request is honored.

I thought you just said this was the counterparty 2.0 room? And I asked you why did Adam leave and create his own room then?

For someone who seems to know everything you seem to ask a lot of questions and make a lot of statements which are confusing 🤷🏻‍♂️

I’m tired of talking in circles.

Okay so there is an end block set up for fair mints
It’s just not active ?? Or what
It wasn’t an option when I opened the faiminter ?!
Options on the info page
I mean if something doesn’t get initial hype and get minted out it would be good to have an end date set up ?!
So we can continue with the project right ? That would seem fair to those that minted it lol 😂

I’m actually worried and concerned about people running 9.x as those are the ones that are going to be hurt by this (and potential scams to others).

Many of us are settling this up now to run

Resolution is simple.

Return what was broken.

1chain resolved.

Why is this difficult?

So I get the idea of being upset just do not see how this helps anyone that is upset and actually will only hurt

So tell devs to fix it

Which is fine if this is a fork war (or what ever it is called) I think that 9.x will lose

U are spending your energy in the wrong channel

And worry about those caught it the middle

We won’t lose.

We are prepared to hold.

The fork should comply

We can be unified easily.

Restore what was broken. Done

It is active sir

Ok I could be wrong, and it any event will not be affected by it anyways. Just will work to make sure people know the risks

Jdog isn’t alone. There are many of us, many are silent.

A few loud, but we are all serious.

I’m not saying there are not many of you, but there are not enough, trust me on this and this is not a threat just facts. Momentum is going to keep going forward.

I will stop as I know we are going in circles, I do not have a grudge or bone with any of you and have msg jdog often over the years

The fork won’t hurt those with a long time preference.

We hold.

I can agree to disagree with his stance on this as he can agree to disagree with mine

You mean 9.x right?

I mean the 2 different branches. Call them whatever you want.

Many of you are just giving in cause its easy

Sorry just jdog calls 10.x the fork so wanted to be clear

It is the fork

Its 2.0

It is not because it is easy

They even label it that way

Well, talking with Adam to address this issue

Is more likely to resolve it than to ask us to just join 2.0

It can't win...you are getting it

I do not care what you join TBH, 9.x is going to die (I believe) and users will be hurt if tooling is available, if tooling was not then less damage would occur. But you seem to disagree which is fine

Time will tell but I want to do what I think will help those that do not know the impact of the choices.

Some may be rugged because of the split.

The split CAN resolve into unity with a simple fix.

@BrrrGuy if devs fix certain functionality issue and agree not to remove any current fw functionality can they be assured this won’t happen again?

100%, 9.6 will have 5 users 😂

Ofc it will die. In the meantime...

Full tard

It was 7 in the fork chat

People will stay on 10.6 and go back to 9.whatever for functions that work on both chains as there will be no replay

Then dispensers/multisends will become irrelevant over time. Davestas timeline will show it all perfectly. Meanwhile Adam will choose another person to be the face of counterparty

Onward

I dont want to be seen as issuing threats or ultimatums, as some in here want to interpret everything I say that way. I will say again what I have said before. It is in the best interest of everyone to be on the same page, and I feel we can do so if the functionality which was lost (specifically dispenser origin functionality to open/close dispeners on new/empty addresses) is restored. If there is no missing functionality, then there is no need for users to seek out a way to use what once was.

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Monitoring the other chat and seeing ppl speak their version of the "truth" of the Jan fork is pretty funny... I'll just leave this here for those who care to read the ACTUAL words said, and not just rely on someone's interpretation. https://imgur.com/gallery/counterparty-forkoff-2024-core-dev-chat-ESAz8ww

Oh the irony that Imgur would be down

And there goes half of the xcp art made on 2021

Same speal for years, like a broken record, only seeking attention 😂😂😂

Interesting read to get both side of the opinion. XCP stakeholder voting to help decide the path forward for counterparty is a great suggestion imo. Not only community can finally have a voice, but added incentive to XCP token and holders as well. Small step forward to solving all the drama with the community.

Current devs don't listen to community votes

Hopefully that change with consensuss.

Telegram Poll voting and XCP voting can be a start.

There was a vote, with 3 methods to vote, all voted the same result, made no difference

Wow, i read a fair amount of that. Joe Looney is a huge problem for Counterparty, who knew...

We wouldn't be here if it weren't for his sabotage

Sounds… Familiar. 🧐

I don't recall any community votes. What was the vote about? What was the result? and what do mean it make no difference?

Fees on numerics, result was in favour, devs just enabled numeric subassets

Is in this chat somewhere

Community vote, xcp holder vote, and counterparty projects vote, all voted in favour of fees after week's of debate and everybody's viewpoints

3 different ways to vote :

1 - telegram poll vote

2 - XCP vote for/against numerics

Vote for fee on numerics (1=YES,2=NO)
https://tokenscan.io/search?query=XCPFEE2024
Click Broadcasts tab... All votes were YES except for 1 fake NO vote (fake because it did not have the XCP to back up its 10000000 votes)

3 - Project vote (projects vote for or against fee on numerics via broadcast)

https://tokenscan.io/search?query=numeric
Click Broadcast tab... all votes were YES for numeric fee.

Gathering consenus in CP is hard, and it is quite often ignored

Yep and devs ignored

Much easier to just "decide" what is best and force your changes through... tho that is not what is supposed to happen in a "decentralized community based" project

Joe simped for stamps

Nice way to reclaim ownership

Yet claims differently not sure where his mental capacity is at

So there's no surprise that they won't make a simple fix to move forward, is who they are I guess

Okay, I recalled hearing this and the decision was to enable it. Are we saying that isn't enable? If not, it should be imo.

He not being forthright and there has to be a reason. It looks like purposeful sabotage with plausible deniability

Gas lighting at its finest

Yh, the community/votes were ignored

I mean he made a wallet and named it after the coolest thing to ever exist. Great cover

I didn't know ma was him until today

Or kayfabe 🤣

Just remember they think they are masters of marketing, they claim they want no one to suffer losses, but move to the next grift when there previous pump and dump is over

This is the counterparty room

Room has already been shared in here multiple times Xcer... keep spamming it and i'll have to remove your posting permissions for a week... like I had to do with Vector and Dime Squatter... nothing personal, but wont tolerate spamming of links to other channels... anyone who wants to find the other channel can do so by searching in here or typing int "counterpartygeneral" in chat search

indeed... Xcer is confused... said this is the Counterparty 2.0 room here... then spams links to some other room, very strange behavior

Who is vector and who is dime squirter

Like where did they come from

Dime squirter lmfao

So the room where CP core devs are can’t be shared because it was shared before, got it

Yes now go to bed

So concerned about his heavy bags 🤣

Some things are more important than

Newcomers who arrived at the same time as Adam... Dime Squirter is a dev on Horizon wallet (paid by Adam)... and Vector is apparently some big fancy dev who is in high demand (according to himself), but is prohibited from contributing to counterparty development.... btu who has done nothing but back up EVERY action Adam takes and gaslight me for months saying I was lying about the whole loss of function on dispenser and 3tx vs 1.... kinda strange tho that he is here all day with time to troll and post his lil "poop, thumbs down, and clown" reactions on most things I say

Hey bro... Not my fault that the CP devs decided to rage quit the room and refuse to engage here where the community is

oh, no lol. I'm not rejoining this channel unless someone else is owner. I have no interest in spending any more time dealing with such nonsense. I created another channel for people to discuss Counterparty if they're interested: https://t.me/+kLyxpIWt_r4wZDcx

Beta move

10 years later lol

Homeboy needs to grow a thicker skin... Kicks me to try and stop me from asking questions... then rage-quits the room when it fails, the comes back in to spam his new channel, then leaves again... and sends his Minions in here to spam the link

This is coordinated....
Zoom out.
Timing...
Ftw
This movie is batshit crazy..

Similar kind of trolling during the numeric fee debate, postoffice workers

Hodl the line.

Frogs will win.

The joining of all the Adam supporters today who had previous left, with the sole purpose of attacking me and making ME the problem and not the loss of functionality was def coordinated... see how they all joined at the same time and started talking... like I said, being loud and screaming alot doesn't make you right.

Same people afraid to stand up to tyrannical devs probably got suckered into the covid poison

Whilst having a debate on twitter as well lol

Wasn't this guy called Victor Confetti?

Frogs over target dropping fuggen moabs...

I asked about all the new devs that nobody heard of. They are mostly stamps people i believe

Aka degens

The attack on cp started with the stamps people

Or Looney positioning himself wayyy back even

Stamps... Shitting in the sink since 2023

I called them out early

wash trading

chinese bots

zero culture

Nice constructive talk here, no wonder adam left this group (not saying he's correct but he is handling this more professional than you seem to do) seems like we are attacking the person instead of the problem 🤔

weird how new devs would align with some fly by night shitcoin and ignore the people here for 10 years

the people are the problem

Scroll back... been a week of being attacked and trying to get the problem addressed.... a week of waiting for any compromise. Sorry for the tone, but its been a long road to get here

Stamps people Came from CP, but with the aim to make the Pepes they buy not to depend on AWS.

People liked that and more people joined

So cips are a thing of the past?

This IS true, its a Big player do doing It a lot and so evidente. I give you that.

Simple solution is just add back the functionality that was lost back.. been saying that all week.. instead of listening to upset users, they decided better/easier route to just attack those who are complaining and then rage-quit when asked questions about why not disclosing VC funding 3 months ago, etc.... again, see how it could be off-putting, but been a LONG week

Bigger question is why aren't they.

Whats the tech reason not to do It?

Looks like it is purposefully aiming at ending Freewallet.

can't answer that, the other side has rage-quit, started another channel, and refused to engage and give valid reasons other than "better solutions are coming, just wait".... all we are asking for is for the lost functionality (ability to open a dispensers on a new/empty address in 1 tx instead of 3txs) be restored... didn't need to be made into all it is now, but it is what it is now

trying to talk reason has gotten nowhere

Question of the last fuggen 3 weeks...

Stop being racist... 🤣

Or just deleted?

I mean personally had a lot of issues in the past with dispensers when many users came to Stamps and we had lots of BTC Lost on scams. But personally like them because its has some interesting use cases.

They were "archived"

deleted by adam... tho I archive everything... so you can view them here : https://github.com/jdogresorg/cips

Thanks

Funny how the trolls say focus on the person not the issues lol, when the issues are just deleted lol

10 years of "community" proposals to move shit forward... thrown away cuz "irrelevant".. feels sad man 😢️️️️️️

As I said, its a long road of disrespect and ignoring the community and pushing features that break stuff that lead us here... but no doubt, it is a shitty place to be.

Probably the Mike in Space grifter

Sold 0 and 1 to himself lol

Im no genius but for sure there is some skullduggery afoot

Hoodwinking frogs is harder than it may seem

but hey sub-assets on numerics is totally what the people wanted

Pmsl

One of the gas lighters would be the big wash trader. That would explain the crazed behavior

What about backwards compatibility (sry not that tech savy, trying to understand a bit)

Nope but just have to check Openstamp new tokens created out nothing distributed in second to thousand of people and moving 1 BTC or more in daily volumen, while none of the Stamps guys, even the chinese communities mention anything about them. And minters connected to their own wallets lol.

devs are like fuk those guys who voted for fees on numerics lets troll them with more bullshit like subassets

and there 5K tg group with like 5 people posting lol

it was an op from day 1

it was meant to kill xcp but they failed

I dont think so fren, xcp its not doing so bad recently.

cause it failed

That the main grifter publicly claims/claimed he doesn't participate, bullshit

they wanted everyone to disregard named assets

A local old timer had said mike changed from back in the day used to be an inspiration a hero to 0

the money grift is a helluva drug

They tried to usurp. For money a ND sabotage

Only reason why Stamps are numerics was for not having xcp fee on It, if not name assets would be full of base64 art

But they care wen people lose money bro

Fkin soy boys

'someone might use the wrong FW' is fainting virtue

One dipshit might have self dispensed, done that myself lol, part of the learning curve

Like when people say, "I'm worried about you"
In the south they say "bless your heart"

Like when the government say we will protect you

Time to run

The core devs removed the feature in the new release, and it would effect nothing (except their ego) to add it back to the protocol until better replacements for dispensers are proven to work well and be bug free..

But causing all this outrage and causing users to suffer appears to be the “better” choice for them🤷🏻‍♂️

new devs trying to take JDogs's wins lol

https://fxtwitter.com/TheCensoredRock/status/1851424475385864628

Legendary

This is starting to feel like a dna test

on another note, I'm getting a lot of questions about the "lost origin functionality" in dispensers. for the record, there was *zero* lost functionality.

as part of v10.4.0 we removed the ability for someone to open dispensers at an empty address that they don't own. per the protocol spec published in August (https://docs.counterparty.io/docs/advanced/specifications/dispenser-must-be-created-by-source/) and the GitHub discussion from May (https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/1785), we did this for two reasons:

1. it resolves a critical security vulnerability, where someone could force others to sell assets (e.g. illicit material) without their consent
2. it allows us to eliminate the AddrIndexRs dependency, an intractable source of major stability, scalability and correctness node issues. this makes Counterparty nodes dramatically easier to deploy and shrinks the node storage requirements from 250GB to 45 GB

however you can still open dispensers at empty addresses. the only downside of this change is... a 2x higher transaction fee for opening a dispenser on an empty address. you need to send BTC along with the asset you'd like to dispense in a single transaction (not currently supported by the node API, but pretty easy to add. it's on our roadmap: https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/2281), and you need to chain to that transaction the open dispenser tx. it's two transactions (not three), but you only need one confirmation.

moreover, we have a great strategy for allowing for the bundling of Counterpary transactions together, which will reduce that back down to 1 tx (see https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/2197). along with issues like https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/1375 we're going to be able to dramatically reduce tx fees in the future. also for any node host the savings in node storage costs from killing AddrIndexRs will obviously outweigh the temporary increase in tx fees

I’m not too upset that they didn’t say thank you for finding many the bugs in their latest releases (broken btc to dispense conversations, missing MPMA memos, etc)…. They don’t like me so I don’t blame them for not saying thank you…. I do blame them for not listening to the community after all this outrage and restoring a simple bit of functionality that would put all of this drama to bed.

Mhh he mentioned it on space yesterday that the updates are backwards compatible

Take the vaccine, it's safe and effective

Doesn’t make it true…

There is no lost functionality… except you now need to send BTC and the asset to the address before opening the dispenser….. lol…. Three transactions instead of one transaction….. I guess we have a different version of no lost functionality

Doesn’t seem like restoring origin is even a consideration

I’ve also repeatedly asked for a demonstration of this no loss of functionality by simply opening a dispenser on a new empty address in one transaction…. If there was no loss of functionality, that would be very easy to do and post a link and shut me up….. instead all we get his words.

If there was no loss of functionality, the community would not be so upset

Don’t forget multisends. 🤓

You’ve never done a multisend from what I can tell lmao

Yeah, I know… as I’ve said many times (Xcer), restoring origin functionality would require them to humble themselves and admit they made a possible mistake in moving functionality that users use…. Not gonna happen.

Say no last functions goes on to explain which functions are lost and that fixes are on a road map

So if a person is not qualified by (Xcer), they are not allowed to have an opinion just to be clear🤷🏻‍♂️🤣🤣🤣

🤣 you know everything, huh?

Our opinions don't matter

More mental hurdles being jumped through to disqualify valid criticisms of lost functionality

but ser xcer has heavy bags

He wants my 9.6 pepes

You banned him from his calling card, he is deeply wounded in the ego

from my cold dead frog hand

Oh, it’s even better… no loss of functionality. You just need to do two transactions instead of one, but you can’t currently do those two transactions via the current counterparty API since we don’t allow you to send BTC in an asset together…. So back to what I originally said three transactions rather than one transaction.

No loss of functionality … FML

Its made him go full 💯 double upside-down tard

Road map counts bro, trust me bro

Sarcasm for those in the back

Seems like a week worth of drama and being frustrated and having to defend himself is a lot more work than just admitting maybe he made a mistake and restoring the lost functionality…… but as we’ve all seen, Adam‘s opinion is the only opinion that matters and he is never wrong🤷🏻‍♂️🤣

Pepekids bruv. What a hater

Only if xcer agrees

Where Are these being forwarded from???

Counterparty chat

Dont fuck with the kids..

It appears we have 3 categories of parties here:

1. Core devs and ‘inner circle’ (appears to be purposefully destructive to Freewallet functionality).

2. Users who ‘Trust’ the devs and are cool with whatever they say.

3. Users and a wallet dev that are harmed by core devs abuse and are aware and unwavering from our defiance to these corrupt actions from the Core dev group

@XCERXCP …. You got any other pearls of wisdom from your dear leader to forward over? Pretty easy to debunk bullshit🤷🏻‍♂️

Its just called Counterparty and is run by this guy:

Victor Confetti

The counterparty core devs?

he reminded me of that tramp stamp guy reinmora or whatever

there was a few of them that were bad dudes

You forwarding stuff from an imposter CP chat?

And the other new guy dimesquirter, we haven't found his pfp

u could easily spot the bad actors

I do it daily for the keks

the enemies can not meme