But please use the great marketing strategy on us again once more :)

Explain to a new user how to buy from dispensers

That's a conspiracy. As far as I'm aware, the protocol devs have nothing to do with the services that have been built on top like Firemints

It’s near impossible

I'm talking about the previous grift

No idea what you're referring to.

If u read my messages back, and look within, you will know

Haha wtf answer is that

Anyway have a nice day, I'm sure u will all make more money on this new grift

Nah I don't have time for this... speak clearly if you want an actual answer. I'm not going back to parse old messages

Let's just say your integrity isn't as shiny as u say, and wtf was shadilay, even I can add liquidity and create a sol coin

Everyone got a refund when the LP failed. I actually lost money reimbursing some people out of pocket. If it was a grift, it was a terrible grift

No I said wtf was it, pathetic

Just like ur narrative of counterparty

I agree, the implementation sucked. It failed.

Have a nice day

Are you telling me that decentralization is a place where ppl can lose money - yes, ofc. But this is not the same like you wanted to show here me - when ppl abuse the network to make only their tool usable and do not care about end users offering the new WEB wallet only to those who use old tools, those ppl even try to shut down that old wallet without letting ppl choose. They start to offer very raw and unfinished products.
If even this is same for you - for me this shows big unrespect from devs to whole community.
I am not the best coder, but even I see that devs are not using many test tools before offering ONLY ONE wallet that offer new things (as they wanted so bad) and that they are acting like they are in a rush to get somewhere .

why you sure so well about what you even can not know 100%? that is strange

How many CP txs have you done in the prior 30 days?

Because the burden of evidence is placed on the one making the fantastical claims

very good answer when you do not want to answer for real. Good game with words...

So much complaining. People are acting like they do 1,000’s of CP txs a month when in reality, it’s not many if any.

I'm not even sure what the grievance is, the tooling while early is still very end-user friendly.

so , are you talking that way even? maybe next step will be about dick length ? this is funny and sad in same time

I can’t do MPMA… it’s broken!

How many MPMA’s have you done in the last 90 days? Zero

Ok, so wait a couple weeks until it’s sorted.

I've never liked MPMA. When it wasn't failing and eating my Bitcoin, the cost was really no cheaper than a series of individual sends.

Generalization is always a deceiver's friend

I agree it had issues and wasn’t reliable.

I do really like the ability to send a bunch of sends out at once though.

No, you come here to complain while people are working for free to make it better for all of us and you can’t give them anytime to do the work

Sure, but this could be handled at the wallet level where it queues up a bunch of individual sends. Not sure why it needs to be MPMA at the protocol level

If you've got to edit JSON, you're already doing the same amount of work as constructing individual sends

It was much cheaper when it worked

I didn't really notice that, but maybe depended on number of recipients to really get the benefit

Maybe I’m just imagining this

https://x.com/StampepeBTC/status/1851256409968504919

Counterparty, imo, is not a computer scientist scam vehicle, as you posit in this comment.

Its is about bags of cash for some and that's ok.

Counterparty is a permissionless platform where a lot of different things can co-exist.

Let's ask Adam some questions. Starts in 30

https://x.com/EmblemVault/status/1851030760565981287

nope, just a technical issue with a apache config being parsed in a wrong order, showing the wrong site data temporarily on tokenscan.io ..... The issue has been resolved, and I am continuing on with the updates.... I said my intention was to make it very clear what version users are running on tokenscan, and if you notice, there is a BIG message at the top of the site saying it is undergoing an upgrade... so, until that banner is gone, its being worked on.

tokenscan.io shows "Counterparty 2.0" data again, mints and such should appear as expected, etc.

I'm no biologist, but isn't an accidental fork the worst outcome when upgrading a blockchain? Seems like like that alone should define counterparty 2.0 a failure. My vote would be for the community to only support counterparty classic, take the lessons learned from Counterparty 2.0 and try upgrading again at a later date.

Ya I mean the code is open source classic can add those same features in a smoother transition and stay og

Did you just assume the fork was male?

true... they've just broken dispensers which have been used for many years, to make them require a "new" wallet (Horizon) while making things more difficult for the wallet everyone uses (FreeWalet), and make them more expensive (3txs instead of 1tx to open on new/emtpy address) 🤷️️️️️️.... Wallet bias much? lol

Which is fine but Core Devs have a conflict of interest against current tooling that supports an overwhelming majority of the community. So intentionally making things harder for competing wallets banning other devs does not seem in the best interest of the community.

Will UL ask the current VC's if they are ok being named in the interest of transparency? You can at least ask

So there are two different potential conflicts of interest that I (Adam) see. The first is the possibility of supporting Unspendable Labs' business over the interests of the community (e.g. Horizon Wallet + Explorer over other wallets and explorers). The second is that the entities funding the company Unspendable Labs could push the protocol development in a way that favors their own interests.

The second question is easy to answer: the existing funding for UL comes 100% from (1) myself, (2) the Bitcoin Frontier Fund (who have made their investment public), and (3) close friends and family (whose names I won't disclose)

The first question is harder to answer. Yes, there's a potential conflict of interest. It's possible that I personally could push to change the protocol in a way that favors the UL business. That's possible in any case where someone who leads development of a community project also runs a business that makes use of that project. All I can really say here that UL and I are much more incentivized to make Counterparty successful than to increase UL's short-term revenue. That's why 100% of Counterparty development is done out in the open, including all issue tracking and prioritization, and why Horizon Wallet is fully open-source.

the "potential conflict of interest" is no longer potential... IMO its a very real conflict of interest, breaking functionality other wallets use, changing features before better replacements are ready and tested, and doing all these changes before their wallet is even ready and on par with the same features that the community has had for years via FreeWallet

Anyway, enough rambling in here, back to working on the updates 🙂

its so obvious

You’re going the wrong way JDog

Actively promoting a version with known vulnerabilities ??

And who will take responsibility for users losing funds ?

Counterparty isn't a blockchain

I feel core devs are going the wrong way breaking functionality the community uses and relies on before they have suitable replacements in place..... you add new features, make sure they work, THEN depreciate the old ones... you don't change features that were working fine, in order to break them and drive people towards the "new" features which will be ready and working in "2 weeks".... the "just wait, its all coming, all will be fine" mantra is ridiculous... The reason we have a fork, and the reason we are where we are, is becaues the core devs decided to make unnecessary changes, not do enough testing to ensure stuff was backwards compatible, and then gaslight those who disagreed with their vision for Counterparty 🤷️️️️️️

The word is deprecate

And you alone are the cause of the fork because it’s your service that plans to run it, and you are the one who named it

It was inevitable that you would plan to retake control the first consensus update, not too surprising

Unfortunate, but not surprising

It’s also hilarious that you choose to run a version much slower and clunkier when you could just fork 10.3

Whats surprising is OG's like you Joe who are boot licking people intentionally disrutping the current community

lol I know you just like causing chaos so no reason to bite on this

I ALWAYS supported jdog when he was the maintainer

agree to disagree... The fork happened due to transactions happening on counterparty 2.0 where the "auto-convert BTC send to dispense tx" failed... due to them not creating dispense transactions for addresses which had dispensers previously closed on those addresses.... check the release logs for the latest hotfixes bro

Even when I disagreed

its no chaos its common sense

also... welcome back to the channel joe... seems you left, and now are returning just to try and talk smack.. that seems to be expected given our history

The fork happened when you decided to run a fork

Looool that’s rich

I left because it was distracting

Also went behind my back and tried to get Robby to throw me off the Core developer team and install Juan as the lead developer (the one who had 0 commits into counterparty-lib)... all while I was talking to you on a personal level and telling you that I wanted to give up control of Counterparty

everyone coming back here just proves 2.0 is the fork lol

I was the maintainer at that point and it was my decision and also Juan your now buddy fully supported it

You wanna come at me bro... with your fake "I always supported J-Dog nonsense"... fine, we can speak the truth... I held my tongue to protect your reputation and keep ppl from knowing about your stab in the back... but to each their own

You were running a hostile fork, I would fully expect you to do the same in my position

Sorry you don't like being challenged.

BTW what happens to users when you run out of funds and shut down the v9.61 server?

There’s nothing here jdog, what exactly do you want to reveal

Yes, you were on the core dev team, because you accepted the role... then later admitted you didn't have the technical knowledge to evaluate the updates... which begs the question why you even accepted the role in the first place.... but DOES explain why you were so eager to hand off the role to someone else to bear the burden rather than actually STEP UP and do the difficult work for counterparty

easier to hand off to co-founders who can write code and then just embrace them fully.... You wanna be honest, be honest

lol you got it twisted, I took the burden off of you because you asked me to

You’re the one making shit up, but I’m not surprised I believe that you believe it

Here comes a wall of text

Can’t wait

Live CP space 🔥 https://x.com/emblemvault/status/1851285638697591232?s=46&t=VKlzOqs5vqDWcDUEI3d16w

Joe, lets keep this about the ACTUAL issues, not personal, which is why until now I haven't said shit about your ruthless backstab, and your inability to evaluate counterparty-lib code..... We can agree to disagree... but be clear, the only reason your back here after leaving this channel a couple days ago is to try to smear my name and make it seem like this is personal and I am forking... I am not the fork, the new software is ALWAYS the fork, and the ledger differences didn't happen because of me, they happened because of the lack of testing on "Counterparty 2.0"

Yes yes let’s not make it personal “backstab this backstab that”

Your speaking bullshit that you always supported me, so I spoke to that saying it was bull shit.

When did I run a hostile fork?

When did I tell people not to use your version?

Now feel free to hop on your podcast and make it all about me being the problem... I wont participate in that nonsense.

Releases in the last 3 weeks :
counterparty-core 10.4.3
counterparty-core 10.4.4
counterparty-core 10.4.5
counterparty-core 10.4.6
counterparty-core 10.4.7
counterparty-core 10.4.8
counterparty-core 10.5
counterparty-core 10.6
counterparty-core 10.6.1

This is what not properly testing your software before release looks like. Which is strange, because I thought we all heard that they had built an automated test system to make sure releases were stable... I wonder what they are testing in their automated tests 🤷️️️️️️😂️️️️️️

Looks like progress to me

Of course it does... since by your own admission, you lack the technical ability to evaluate the counterparty-lib code updates... which is why you left that Job to John, Javier and I.... Dont worry tho, those chats are private, so I wont screenshot you admitting your inability to evaluate the counterparty-lib code

For me fork - it is something that comes with updates and has higher number btw . And yes , as even shitty coder maybe I can see low skills on how those tools was presented by new devs.
Just sayin

Loooool I never wanted that job, like I said I did it to take the burden off of you and always referred to myself as a caretaker

Oh great another wall of text incoming

https://x.com/srcpad_pro/status/1851287064861618577

and yet you gladly accepted the role of "core dev" when offered to you... if you never wanted the job, why even step into the role at all... your not the blameless butterfly many think you are joe

Disengaging here now, back to work 🙂

Man it really is amazing how twisted you have it, amazing anyone trusts you at this point

Joe I saw what you did wen you simped to the stamps folks you guys are really good at gaslighting

lol tell me about it

Community inside community ))))

Feel centralization here

You know you have the high ground when you gotta stoop to spelling corrections... LMAO

Frogs gonna put server in convertible with solar panels and put it in orbit.

LOL... Joe never simped. He was in agreement we were "shitting in the sink" and basically told me Stamps was a dumb idea. No simp.

he simped and sided with you regardless

It’s just so funny

Looooool

Also told me to "kick the numerics fee can down the road a bit"... even tho there was 90-95% consensus to put fee on numerics in May of 2023... I shoulda listened to my gut and not Joe, would have been a different counterparty, and wouldn't have had the Fork in January

did you support fees on numerics or not Joe?

even lyng about that lol

If that was the way to prevent a fork then yes

That was always my position

You realize that Joe pioneered using numerics in Freeport right? We got the idea from him

most of of people supported, debate was on implementation

yes I love the idea of free numerics

not from people shitting in the sink tho

Yet, restoring lost functionality on dispensers in order to stop/prevent a fork is a no-go now... strange logic 🤷️️️️️️

but we can argue all day about nonsense how do we move forward with whats best for the community?

breaking tools used for the last 10 years? is that a good or bad thing

Its already happening, fork happened 3 weeks ago when ledgers diverged, the "Counterparty 2.0" update (the fork) caused the ledgers to diverge... they just mad that I'm calling it out and embracing the fact that there ARE two ledgers (and they continue to diverge, cuz the dispensers fix in 2.0 is not even active for another week)

The chats are now being discussed on the spaces now lol

lol

Also pretty hilarious to me that Adam is "There is only Counterparty"... yet, continues to embrace the "Counterparty 2.0" narrative...

lol it’s a meme

cool, have fun talking on there.... not listening or engaging, its pointless 😛

2.0 is the fork I guess he really wants to own it

You want to buy my counterparty classic nakamoto?

See how much you value it

The token is the fork

Give me an offer

Seems People forget how many times stamps were censored and attacked....src20s were kicked off the ledger....by one sole decision

Adam has a dictator is a psyop...

He's been the most adaptable and open minded in the last 2 years

kicked off the ledger... with no changes to the protocol to limit your usage... right, gluck selling that narrative... ppl are free to read the history on their own. The decision to build SRC-20 off of counterparty and as its own independent thing was entirely a decision by the SRC-20 devs... https://j-dog.net/archive/

As I've said many times, I stand behind my history with Counterparty and my decisions, hence why I archived the full history of my time involved with CP, for those who care to take the time and learn the truth 🤷️️️️️️

Yup, I guess the Counterparty Improvement Proposals (CIPS) and forums were deleted without conversation and counterparty-lib repo renamed to "counterparty-core" to break fednode installs without any discussion with the community are entirely false. Words matter little, ACTIONS matter more, and the ACTIONS are clearly documented on github and in chats.

Node software optimized, and improved. Numerics are supported and explored. Atomic swaps are supported. Utxo management tooling is being Explored and engineered. Pull requests for future additions are accpeted. Src20s may even be considered.

" The decision to build SRC-20 off of counterparty and as its own independent thing was entirely a decision by the SRC-20 devs"

100% because we felt it was important to avoid a messy fork.

Development and onhand protocol support is more then ever.

Dispensers are just 5 years old...

It was one of the last things John Villar had worked on iirc

RIP

Yes, and the responsible way to deprecate (THANKS JOE!!! LOL) them would have been to add atomic swaps and other methods of swap, and tested them, and made sure they were working well before changing/breaking the dispensers that ppl are used to using.

Well that was an answer of sorts

like your flow, and you are 100% correct

being user centric is the key

I love yall... i hope that part was at least clear

Great phraseology brother 🐸🪖👊

When logic starts getting so loud all that can happen is shut the space down.....

👀 new Twitter space conspiracy involving Mayfield

Elon shut us down because he supports 2.0

You perfectly summed it up

should i listen to the end? had to jump off to meet my contractor, stupid brand new shower is leaking

time 2 say good bye cp

support Enhanced Asset Information

@davesta is there a spec we can look at?

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/Forum/blob/1e362f7f8668654d0241fe5b1f1c1c330a8b4368/cip-0025.md

Pretty funny... Adam unaware of the Asset Enhancement Spec which has been out as a CIP for years... doesn't even review the CIPs and current state of things before just deciding they are irrelevant and removing.... Then asks if there are specs... YEP, they existed bro.. but, you deemed them not necessary and removed them.. lol

bye

is the user count of this group somehow trying to tell us something?

Kek
Covfefe
Completion

In 8th grade I had a tech physics teacher tell us that the solution to pollution was dilution..... I'm pretty sure I wound up kicked outside in the hall for calling the idea retarded shortly after that... But this has me thinking about these atomic swaps if frog art is toxic, are these atomic swaps an attempt to just diluting it, diluting all of counterparty with a bunch of shitcoins??? If so, now we know even more why it's frogs...
you can flood the bog....
Midway through the flood frogs will climb out of the water flip you off and then climb back in the water n wait for the flood waters to recede.....

Noticed that.... Why do I do all this work if no one reads it....

i think what im most annoyed about is we are so close to achieving a state in counterparty where asset holders can choose to opt out of counterparty entirely, forks after that part don’t matter to those holders and we can keep our pepes on bitcoin without a care in the world

instead we have talks of forking due to a disagreement over minor details of a single feature

jdog or anyone else can you give me a reason that someone would use both versions at the same time? 9.x is not going ot make it (my opinon) and trying to support old and new versions can only lead to confustion and lost funds. Devs that do not want to upgrade fine. But to activly support both does not make sense to me (again my opinon).

RIP 💀

What I hated about opening a dispenser on an empty address is how it was stranded there if no one ever buys it. You have to send btc there, another tx to close it, then an other to send the asset, plus another to send the btc left. So the simple 1 tx that JDog is touting quickly turns into 5.

if you want my unfiltered opinion (even though it wasn't asked of me)

I personally don't see much use to support protocol 9.6 ... What is lost sucks... But it's not even close to enough for me to suddenly not use 10.4plus

To circumvent this, people would have to commit wash trading, which messes up market data

LOL that “market data” couldn’t be more wrong already. Apparently my collection is worth a bazillion dollars

What is the fork about, 1Tx vs 3 to setup? And MPMA? Is that everything?

It really depends on your usecase. As someone who opens the occasional dispenser, being able to do it *safely* on my main address is a huge improvement. Fewer txns and no need to retrieve dust from other addresses.

Yeah, I don’t get why anyone would want to open a dispenser on an empty address anymore.

I’ve been demoted in this room, I can no longer slay hot Chinese chicks

I think there is a lot of misinformation. A lot of people are under the impression dispensers went away, when really the issues that have arisen are directly the result of certain parties not upgrading.

So to be a moderator, you have to support classic and 2.0 or just classic

https://fairmints.io/pepefair/btcmarkets

Not that I think I ever should of been a moderator, but now curious

yeah, I've setup a market page using dispenser

so, they work quite well

Proud of my moderation, never silenced anyone and slayed 100’s of Chinese bots

What is pepefair used for??

It doesn't really make sense to stay on 9.6 does it? Will it be maintained? Developed?
It sure seems compelling for everyone to move on AND complain about needed changes in governance. The userbase is small enough where we're best served by encouraging the move, which will be debugged, developed and maintained hopefully.

not much right now. Will be used to trade on DEX other fairmints token and nfts, along with XCP

I think all you need to do is look back at the last decade to know how much maintenance it will see. No knock against JDog as he kept the lights on through many lean years, but improvements were glacially slow and from my understanding many issues and technical debt were introduced.

The founders have made tremendous improvements in the last year. So it’s easy to see which horse is going to win this race.

He’s also building his own platform now so his resources will likely be even more limited to devote to 9.6

Founders have came back and worked their asses off for us

The dudes who launched the fairest alt coin in history

Doing it all free, the hate is ridiculous

Can’t do anything great without haters

Is he still maintaining dogeparty too?

Afaik

He should definitely have a talk with Jeremy Johnson, CEO of Dankest LLC about maybe bringing on some extra resources.

It’s just reverting back to everything people always complained about wrt counterparty

Didn’t the proof of bern raise over $1M in dogecoin too?

Yeah, JDog has been showing all of the recent updates like it’s a bad thing. In the past, the bug fixes happened in bundles weeks or months later

And they were kept on the DL

Which was fine because it was only Javier working on it and only jdog running a node

Now many of us are and we get to run these incremental updates while bugs are fixed

The change to dispensers allows removing addrindex from the consensus stack and the utxo attaching feature gives asset holders the option to opt out of future updates, it’s hard to overstate how beneficial the progress in the last 9 months is to asset holders

If they’re just minor disagreements, then the core devs could very easily add back origin, dispenser, functionality, and this goes away…. As I’ve been saying for an entire week, there are ways to compromise, but the other side has dug their heels in, while removing functionality that clearly users still desire.

Very easy to restore origin functionality so that people can open dispensers in one transaction on new addresses and closed dispensers in one transaction on new addresses ….

So yeah, I’m frustrated too , that you and others are digging your heels in and saying our way is the right way, even though users are losing functionality and then trying to gaslight it like I’m the one who made changes to break and lose this functionality

Compromise as a two-way street , and as I’ve said for an entire week, adding back, the origin functionality would solve this problem

I just explained why the changes are beneficial

Addrindex never should have been added to the consensus layer, I wish I understood that sooner

But it’s much easier and convenient to try to paint me as the bad guy who made these changes … reality is, as you heard on the Twitter conversation today, users have lost functionality and feel like they’re being pushed out of counterparty without being heard…. Simple way to solve this is add that dish storage and dispenser functionality back until you guys prove atomic swaps are better and fully integrated into a wallet that has all the same features as FreeWallet.

Cool so because you disagree with address index or users should lose functionality and you justify the loss of functionality as well we shouldn’t have had that functionality in the first place…. Got it…. The mental hurdles that are being jumped through to try to blame me for loss of functionality is laughable.

I’m also a user

I for one are not painting you as a bad guy at all. I'm glad that you found bugs, were around at the switch over and helped people that needed it. 100% for the good of people.

Get your shit together and if you want this ledger fork to stop add back origin functionality as I’ve been saying for a week….. but I know well Adam and Gene and his fucking cheerleaders will not do that which is why I’m proceeding forward

So obviously I think this is a good tradeoff

Is this a threat?

just forcing someone to do something or hurt the community is not the path

Sounds like an ultimatum

Who’s gene?

and I say that knowing that the new codebase broke stuff and caused issues

Joe always trying to paint things and threat and not threat…. I’ve made it very clear at the start of this week that the ledgers have divergent and I intend to support both versions that has not changed.

I am simply saying once again, as I have for a week that if the court developers truly cared about the community and about the last functionality, then they could very easily add back origin functionality

there is no threat anywhere , I stated earlier this week I would support both ledgers because there are two ledgers that exist

it was far from being smooth at all

I’m driving and using voice to text so sorry not gonna spend time editing text messages…. You can wait until I get home and review the text messages for proper grammar and spelling.. lol

the 1tx to 3tx if that is all we are talking about now is not worth it (my opion), also sorry for jumping in

Jdog & his cult vs Adam & his cheerleaders

Sounds like a great TV show

All of this back-and-forth is absolutely pointless and finger finger pointing blame…. My viewpoint has not changed for the entire week that I’m supporting both ledgers and that if the devs want to solve this problem and add back the last functionality of origin dispensers that would be a good compromise and probably bring the community back 100% behind counterparty 2.0.

Until that happens, there is clearly a desire for users to be able to use dispensers in a single transaction on a new address , and my support of multiple ledgers and allowing users to pick the version of counterparty they want to interact with, is simply giving users a choice

Depends what the cheerleaders look like

It’s all a matter of perspective, bro I see it as Adam and his cheerleaders🤷🏻‍♂️

Doing mental hurdles to embrace any changes that Adam pushes forward, including making dispensers more difficult to use even when the community is upset 🤷🏻‍♂️

There is always a public for whatever it is ^^

Dispensers are fucking easier to use

I’ve got work to do…. I’ll check this chat in a few hours and see if there’s any progress on the courts adding back origin functionality….. which I know they won’t because that would require them to humble themselves and admit that maybe they moved forward a little bit too fast before alternatives were proven and working consistently in Wallet

Loooool Ive been restricted from attaching the image showing Jdog’s ultimatum

“If you want this fork to stop”

You all have spent a week trying to paint me as the bad guy and avoid a fork rather than looking in your own house for why you have lost functionality and users upset…. And the only reason I continue to engage here is to make it abundantly clear that you continue to ignore the fact that dispenser functionality was lost and users are suffering as a result, and that a simple change by the court devs to restore origin functionality would bring everyone back in line with counterparty 2.0….. something you all claim you want however it’s easier to try to gaslight me for the shortcomings of Adam pushing forward changes the community disagrees with

Hahaha

They already admitted it was too fast lol

This is great

I can’t forward the message either

Nice guys in here

Trump! He’s Trump!

I’m happy to show you when I get home Joe that it is probably because you rage quit the channel and then just came back in and the box are automatically deleting any messages with images and URLs as that is typically behavior of spammers…..

But go ahead and paint it as if I’m deleting your messages while I’m driving … lol

The gaslighting continues

I don’t even think you’re an admin in here

But yeah that makes sense

Anyway people can scroll up and see it

An ultimatum is a threat whether you realize that or not

You quit the channel and rejoin the channel and the spam bots are seeing you as a new user who doesn’t have permission to post links and images…. I’ll happily change that when I get home but go ahead. Keep making it all about some conspiracy that I’m trying to stifle conversation…. Meanwhile, I never booted Adam out he chose to rage quit as did his minions, including you….. and then you act surprised when you join back and the spam bots treat you like a spammer who just joined and is posting messages and images

Do this or else… that’s what you’re saying

You’ll see whatever you wanna see Joe there was no ultimatums given. I stated at the beginning of the week exactly what I was going to do and that has not changed.

I also stated how the current court developers could probably get all of the community back on their side and against counterparty classic …. But you want to paint it however you want and see it as an ultimatum or a threat or whatever to try to make me the bad guy.

You are the bad guy threatening the fork, why wouldn’t we treat you as such

Done engaging here as I said hours ago it’s fucking pointless

I’m not threatening a fork, Joe and you goddamn well know it the ledger fork happened already….. while running all the counterparty 2.0 software…. Hell I’m still running on the counterparty 2.0 software on the site and in my wallet and yet the ledgers are different without me putting up a single piece of software or a new release….

Keep on with your mental hurdles🤷🏻‍♂️😜

Hold on need someone else to post my screenshot

There it is

That sir is an ultimatum

I am the fork, huh? I wonder why XCP Dave then is showing different data than counterparty 2.0.???

All I am doing is running an older version of the software, with functionality that was lost in the new counterparty 2.0 software release.

Counterparty 2.0 is the new software, counterparty 2.0 cause address to diverge due to bugs and lack of testing, and I have released not a single piece of software for counterparty since January….. and yet I’m the fork? lol… you’re hilarious Joe.

You see it, however you wanna see it Joe…. You clearly ignore the users who are outraged about loss, functionality, and wanna hyper focus on my words and spelling and punctuality in an attempt to paint me as the bad guy.

Grow the fuck up

The users rely on the devs to understand the tech and implications

Like I said I’m also a user

You are the bad guy encouraging a hostile fork

That’s the objective truth

I would guess the majority of people who have supported you and your products for years don’t support your fork

Like 96%. That should tell you something

Who are thoses users? beside your cult?

As I said, the bot deleted your message 🤷️️️️️️

Most people are outraged about your fork

I understand that’s why

Didn’t earlier but I do now

So that’s why xcer posted for me

and annoyed about the loss of some functions

objective being the operative word... the technical answer is the new software is always the fork, you just dont like that inconvenient truth 🤷️️️️️️

The new version is the new version

LOL. mental gymnastics

We went over this with Juan 2 years ago when he insisted on staying on9.59

new version of software is always the fork

Did you forget about that?

You never once called YOUR version the fork

Because it benefited you then and doesn’t now

I’m being consistent tho

9.59 Juan was the fork

bullshit... I did say mine was the fork in January, because it WAS the new version of software which was being released

Just like 9.61 jdog is the fork

Just like eth classic is the fork

Just like bcash is the fork

In the ETH classic fork, ETHEREUM put on replay protection at least

in bcash fork... Bitcoin CASH (the new software) put on the replay protection

in BOTH cases, the new software was the "fork" and put out replay protection

You want this so you can point to your version and say “SEE! I’m the real counterparty”

but hey... dont let that stop you from your mental gymnastics of claiming I (not the new software release) is the fork

oh wait... so you admit that I am logical right, the new version of software is the FORK... and quickly move on to my motivations cuz I am coming with facts and history.... Typical

You’re also calling it by a different name, why not just call 9.61 Counterparty if it’s not the fork

I was calling it "Counterparty Classic" and "Counterparty 2.0" so it was clear they are different things.... vs BOTH claiming to be "Counterparty".... but hey, I can change and switch to claiming "Counterparty" since new devs and community have already embraced "Counterparty 2.0"

You’re looking for a technical loophole, it just comes down to time and which version is the most accepted

Sorry, I don’t trust Adam and his team.

Broke stuff I use daily.

Didn’t even acknowledge that he broke multisends the way it was.

Dispenser functions that I had before are now untrustworthy.

When called on it, Adam rage quit.

I’d rather reset back to previous functionality and slow roll out working changes that don’t ruin old functionality.

Stop trying to make it my fault, just cuz you can scream loud and try to talk in logic circles doesn't change facts

You don’t have to, the software is open source

please jdog listen to these longtime top contributors of counterparty and reconsider - please work together with adam and let counterparty have a shot to see its potential - you have a legendary history and we wouldnt be here without you but now please think of whats best for everyone❤️

It is your fault lol

Who are all these people Jdog is helping exactly?

Well, then , I can use the old version.

Bitcoin vs Bitcoin cash... bitcoin cash was the new software(fork) and added replay protection.... Ethereum Classic vs Ethereum... Ethereum was the new software (fork) and added replay protection.... You simply REFUSE this viewpoint because it doesn't suit your needs in this argument.... Fact is, new software is ALWAYS the fork

If you didn’t run this old counterparty version then no one would

I beg to differ, xcp.dev, etc

It would remain an old version like every other consensus change

I probably would run it myself.

So funny you care what Juan does now

You could sell back and forth to yourself! That’s who’s going to be using it

dispensers have NEVER been trustworthy and need to be removed - i cant believe this is up for debate - they worked when counterparty was a small niche group but never scalable - scammers feasting on them

Do it!

Adam is inspiring me to build alternative stuff to his bullshit

i love how they work but nature of them is they cant be trustless

oh, ya know... just some of those ppl on the twitter space saying they were upset about loss of functinality... ya know, the grass getting trampled... but dont worry about it, they have differing viewpoints from you... Like you said Juan is irrelevant because he has different viewpoints than you...

You should

mental gymnastics

You keep saying that

Yeah, a handful of people vs 100’s that have supported you and your products for years

Now your turning your back against all of us

He inspired me as well... with his draconian control of the repo and total censorship of the community and views that differ from his needs hence the XChain Platform... lol

Or maybe it’s because you can’t handle losing control

I'm sorry you feel that way... that it is my fault rather than looking in your own house for why changes were made to origin functionality and user are upset because of the loss of function

It’s jdog way or the wrong way in jdog land

Counterparty is a monarchy with decentralized features. JDog was a Good King. Adam, is not fit to be King.
I like the guy but his leadership has been lacking. He should relinquish the top job to someone everyone knows and trusts to make final decisions.

You should be happy you don’t have the burden of maintainer instead you want to remain king

I’d go along with 2.0 if things I used that are now broken were restored.

Exactly long branch

Yeah... thats totally it Joe... thats why I have been silent in this channel for 6+ months, focused on building my own XChain platform entirely independent from what goes on here.... I am only back here NOW FIRST to try and support Counterparty 2.0... and NOW because users are upset about loss of funcionality

You need to take a break bruv. Off the rails

He wants to be king

but as I said, your gonna do whatever you can to make it all about ME and not about the loss of function and upset users

He gave it up

you mean tools that are outdated and cause many new users to get scammed and arent trustless tech?

Obviously not

He’s the king of counterparty classic now

Yep... thats why I handed over control of the repos to adam, helped him with the migrations, and stepped back for 6+ months letting them build how they wanted... cuz I want control

Adam is the king. He sucks at it. Cool new features tho

I want the same stuff back that kane spoke of.

Seems you were biding your time for first consensus changing update

And you're the fat chef

Quit trying to read motives.

All hail jdog king of counterparty classic, slayer of test suites

seems like adding back origin functionality is the simplest route to solve this problem.... but much easier to be in here attacking me than trying to get Adam to admit he maybe made a mistake, moved too fast, and to add back functionality until better solutions are available and working solid.... in a wallet with all the same features

yep keep ignoring my ACTUAL words joe... and pushing your King narrative... lol

Adam is King now

Thanks longbranch

Better add back what i say or im gonna fork

Say it with us:

Restore previous functionality

And

Everyone is happy with 2.0

The community sees right through you and your mental gymnastics to paint me as the bad guy, to ignore teh new software as the FORK, and to push me to embrace the loss of functionality rather than talking to Adam.. LOLOL

Dispensers have been great for learning how smart contracts work. They are great for small tx’s and always worked well. With that being said they will eventually be phased out due to atomic swaps

The solution is easy if your humble

It’s not because you don’t understand the technical
reason for removing it, but it’s ok jdog your king will save you

Save you from mean old Adam

Dispensers still work today. They work better than before as you can now safely open them on your main address without having to stress about accidental dispenses or cleaning up dust from other addresses.

He's not mean. He just bad at leadership and decision making

i agree with this and they are super cool but its time for a change now with counterparty growing

The community is just a couple guys throwing insults at me apparently

yes but the main point is there are not running both.

Previously worried about main addy cause could have triggered an accidental dispense

thats what I said lol

No bruv. You're gaslighting

Joe is a bit of a gaslighter

Ok what am I gas lighting

Help me understand

The 9.60 fork benefitted jdog more than anybody else too

you said in here earlier you thot stamps were dumb then on the spaces supported stamps lol

I’m not throwing insults.

I ask for restoration of previous functions.

The new functions can take over when they work properly on a real wallet, not a website.

Simple.

Some kind of fallacy.

Def not watching that video

Whats the scarecrow fallacy called

Or the one where you imply some else's intentions

This sounds great!
What happens if there multiple dispensers on one address does it still auto trigger all of the dispensers or does it isolate them? 🤔

yeah, same. I feel betrayed

That's Joe? As in Joe Lonney? Fuuuck, I thought he wasn't on telegram and it was that guy this whole time? Crap

So do I from the opposite direction.
🤷‍♂️

of course you wouldn't cuz you dont care about the truth.. lol...doesn't suit your narrative... but dont worry, it wasnt a video for you, it was a video for the community 🙂

I donated a lot to keep Counterparty up. And now it's to fork it?

You’re not the community that matters Quentin

🙄

Apparently neither is the community that is upset about loss of functionality in dispensers... LOL... its all perspective Joe 😂️️️️️️

who are you anon?

I’m trying to explain to them why the changes benefit them but they won’t listen

Maybe you can help me explain the implications of removing addrindex and having utxo binding

I for one like the changes

And how it guarantees their assets will outlive counterparty itself

There’s a lot of people who are starving around the world now because a dispenser is now 3X the cost

A counterparty community member.

Truth is, they all in here now screaming their heads off because they know I am right, the new software is the fork, Counterparty 2.0 has lost functionality, and its easier to have a bunch of ppl join and try to scream louder than others that I'm the bad guy... pretty transparent and funny actually

https://x.com/jdogresorg/status/1849607486476587070

You dropped this 👑

You guys are just weird about fucking up and not admitting it. We need a need king. Adam probably knows that hopefully

Glad you can make jokes and try to be funny while Community is upset about loss of function Joe. Thanks for continuing to expose yourself and your lack of concern for community members (other than me) who are upset about recent changes to dispensers

No bruv, he gave it away

Terrible take.

The Benevolent dictator model works quite well... when they are benevolent... Adam did a good job of that before he left the project 9 years ago... now, not so much

Who is the maintainer of counterparty classic long branch?

Is it you?

Remember when Steve Kerr would always wear a mask but then coached the basketball game with COVID

No. I'm just a guy

LOL

Do you know who the maintainer is?

You see yourself as benevolent and righteous right?

Of course he does!

I'll be on the new stuff

Glad to hear it

I now don't care what you think

Lol

As you shouldn’t

No cheap Rarepepe 2.0’s?

There were a lot of broken promises from that

I do not! I see myself as a community user who is able to stand up and speak to the loss of fucntionality and ask for changes, that is all I have done... I didn't fork the ledger, I didn't release new software... Adam and team did that all on their own... I am simply an advocate for the community that you so happily ignore because it doesn't suit your "J-Dog is the badguy, all will be better in the future, dont worry that you cant use stuff that has worked for years... 2 weeks" narrative

And so will everyone else. You guys are just dense af.

you see yourself as THE community

the voice of all things

this is wrong, you're not representing it

Are you asking questions and letting me answer or are you answering for me? LOL

i'm representing a viewpoint that your happy to ignore... that is all

Name the fallacy with this dolt

We do not ignore it

Well, cause you can’t…

Adam, Evan and team are not Jesues, cut them some slack and give them some time

You would if you could.

oh, so your adding back origin functionality immediately? or.... is it like I said... your "dont worry, better days are coming... 2 weeks" narrative?

Better do as he says Quentin

slow and steady wins the race... maybe they should have done better testing and made sure things were working rock solid before putting out release after release.... one MAYBE 2 hotfix releases is understandable, sometimes shit breaks.... but 8-10 releases in a month, mostly hotfixes due to too many changes and not enough testing... un acceptable

yeah, I think I will go back work on my dispensers

Unacceptable!

This makes zero sense

UNACCEPTABLE

Take a break fellas

I'm working on dispensers. Je travaille sur les dispensers

If you truly cared for the community, you would at least consider adding back functionality that users are upset about losing... your hyperfocusing on gaslighting me rather than solving the problem...

We're phasing those out

they're still here and, spoiler, they works

I know

Everyone knows

Thank you guys so much for the spelling corrections!.... It is pretty hilarious tho that you have never pointed out that I speak always in constant run-on sentences the entire time I have been involved in Counterparty.... but NOW, because you know I am right your your wrong... Lets focus on his spelling and correct him... LOL... You know you have the high ground when all you can do is attack spelling... too funny

and they don't have the nasty bug of being spent because you use your wallet

so dispensers are now way more practical than before

anyway, this is all distracting me from doing ACTUAL work to move things forward and provide the users with options... so gonna disengage for a while... continue on with your character assasination atttempts... lolol

same same

Pay attention... origin functionality has NOTHING to do with vanilla BTC sends... but you know this n keep moving the goalposts everytime its convenient... lol

My multi-dispensers don’t…

Anyone that matters sees right though it JDog. Wagmi

But you can now safely set up a dispenser on your main address, negating the need to open on an empty address

Everyone knows

Except for JDog it seems

Its been said a billion times

Fallacy

Btfo

It’s a major improvement to dispenser functionality

With pitfalls

Leaving out context fallacy

Terrible debate

LOL... dispeners do work... but not in a single tx if you want to setup a dispenser on a new/empty address... it takes 3 txs (1 to send BTC to new address, 1 to send asset to new address, 1 to open dispenser).... but keep playing dumb... If there was no problem and all worked fine, no one would be upset

Dispensers have always been filled with pitfalls

Everyone knows

Jdog is right about one thing, this arguing is a waste of time

You lost

It’s ok

Jdog can have his community and I’ll have mine I guess

Why would I want to open a dispenser on an empty address moving forward?

😐

You wont

Is that a begging the question fallcy?

It was a necessary evil for a while to avoid loss of funds

My opinion may not weigh much, but it may count a little. For those of you who doesn't know me I'm a passionate SoG collector. I've been using FW and xchain for 5 years - since my beginning with CP. Tokenscan.io is still my go to - even today there is no better explorer in my opinion (yet). I have been very frustrated for the last two weeks because I couldn't put up a dispenser as I was used to. Lost some funds but that is not so important at this moment now. It was important during that 2 weeks tho and it made me sad seeing functionality being taken away and nothing to gain. During this time I saw Jdog fighting like a lion trying to get stuff working, updating FW, trying to point out the bugs, communicate with FW users who lost funds, etc. And for that I say thank you sir! And I will never forget that. Meanwhile the Adam and the core team also did a lot. My only resentment is that they did not have their wallet ready, broke functionality of the FW, so that we (users) were stuck with no wallet that would work. The fear of trying to make a dispense, the uncertainty that something will go wrong is not a good look. I do strongly believe that was not in core team's intention, but it happened and it was bad. Again that is my point of view. The only thing that is making me decide to support the core team is firemints.xyz. They actually did make atomic swaps work! And it is much better than dispensers. So I accept loosing the possibility of making the dispenser on an empty address for the atomic swaps.

It was a nuisance

Yeah we all know

Is that Toe Rogan?

Wait, you can set up multiple dispensers on a single address now?

Wait for what?

Yeah, they won’t all dispense anymore

😐