BTW weird difference between xcp.io and tokenscan.io:

You conveniently ignore the past two weeks of user complaints and confusion in here wondering why dispensers have been broken in this way and why it requires multiple transactions to perform the same action that used to just take one

past 2 weeks they weren't Atomic Swaps marketplaces

That’s great for counterparty 2.0…. But once again it doesn’t fix dispensers, or restore lost functionality🤷🏻‍♂️

Just got home with food. I’ll check back in later tonight.

It's an added funtionality though that does fix what was broken with dispensers

I do not want my views to come across that I’m painting you as a bad guy. Not the case at all, you have helped me and community a ton. I do agree that things with the rollout were not great and did see your support to keep things working. Yes people were upset about stuff not working but that will pass. 2 ledgers being promoted and supported will not be an easy unwind

exactly 💯

In the end, you have 1 tx to bind to a utxo and then list for free

Join the conversation with SRC20 and counterparty discussion with Ape and blockjack, etc…

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1ZkKzRyvzkaKv

Buyers will buy the better way, dispensers will basically become obsolete unless marketed centrally

The founders put a lot of hard work trying to accommodate dispensers even though they likely might become obsolete

Counterparty node versions as of today:

~45 nodes running v10 (including emblem vault, SOG, dex-trade, Zaif, xcp.io, etc)
~7 nodes running v9 (estimated)

[edited]

Wow

Seems to be 10 nodes for FW & Xchain

But they're still running v10 AFAIK

Let's see how things evolve

EDIT: v10 number is incorrect, my bad - the current number of v10 nodes seems to be around 40-50

Also ur guessing at number of v9 nodes, I run 5… 3 for tokenscan n 2 for misc projects…. Since there’s no telemetry data reported on v9, you’re just guessing🤷🏻‍♂️

40-50 nodes running the fork

you run 40 v9?

Noted - updating v9 estimate accordingly

U know what I meant 😂

Entire situation is crazy

Is this the official fork room or the official official room

In this instance that the graphic refers to, the January Fork, I was indeed the fork, as I was pushing changes in a new release..

However, mysteriously this time around I’m also being called the fork, even though I’m didn’t do anything other than run the old version🤷🏻‍♂️

Ppl are funny n tailor terms to suit their specific viewpoints.

Btw just got my ass kicked at uno😂😂

Im running 10,000 v10 nodes

Guess a new room was made because current devs and their fork couldn't handle consumer criticism

Official room is t.me/counterparty

This is a fork

So many deleted accounts in official fork room

Sir this is the fork

That is the original

You guys managed to get control of that room back from Trevor Altpeter after he wasn’t reelected to the counterparty foundation and held the room for ransom?

Joe is correct, this is not the original counterparty room…. Then again neither is that room…. The original one was on Skype…. Then Slack… then telegram😜

Ahh OK, well the latest room is the latest fork

$100 XCP

Wow. Does anyone have archives for any of those old chats?

lol… pretty cheap I guess… back when he held it for ransom originally he wanted to extort $10,000 from the counterparty foundation in order to give control of the channel back🤷🏻‍♂️

I don’t have Skype anymore, but I could probably spin it up and dump those logs… if they still exist

No I mean XCP went to $100 right around same time, foundation breakup

That would have nice historical value

I believe your misremembering history sir…. XCP went to $100 after the core devs at the time “accidentally” put out a statement about counterparty supporting the EVM…. Counterparty also had a price pump around the time that the B cash launched and Julian was proposing creating counterparty cash…. He said he was going to snapshot the ledger and saw a bunch of people rushed to buy SCP thinking they were going to double their coins on Bitcoin Cash

https://counterparty.cash/

Wasn’t bcash the same time as cp breakup with Devin, Dan, you etc..

2018

I can’t remember exactly… so much has happened over the years…. I believe that the Dan Dante foundation break up drama happened before B cash…. And it happened because Dan and Dante accused me of trying to move counterparty off bitcoin and to litecoin…. An idea I was entirely against, but was proposed by Devon Weller, and discussed at a couple counterparty foundation meetings how it could be implemented if it was approved….. but I made it very clear always that the value proposition of counterparty was it being on the strongest chain and that I would never support counterparty moving off of Bitcoin.

Another fork)))))

I wonder what RPN would think of the state of things

Yup… vitalik was in there for a bit pre-ethereum

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2is4us/whats_wrong_with_counterparty/

(Vitalik discussing Counterparty in 2014 - the whole thread is interesting)

Really hope he'll manage to find his way back here

Interesting… Adam is now saying that I broke the counterwallet to force users to FreeWallet…. Reality is counterwallet broke, and Javier and I proposed three different solutions to get counterwallet working again, Adam ignored all three proposals and closed them, saying counterwallet was old and outdated.

But it seems to suit his narrative that I’m trying to maintain some sense of control 🤷🏻‍♂️

Here is the relevant issue showing the true history, and the three proposed solutions, and the issue closed by Adam.

Much like mainstream media, don’t trust what you’re being told, do your own research👍🏻

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-core/issues/1294

Feels like a bad episode of wwe

Interesting sidenote… at that time Juan and I didn’t see eye to eye on development… however now we both see what counterparty has become… centralized, and no longer a community driven project… hence why he refuses to upgrade to the latest versions and stick on 9.61.3 “counterparty classic”🤷🏻‍♂️

Juan’s irrelevant

Wow! So if you don’t agree with someone’s opinions, they’re irrelevant?

Even though Juan annoyed the shit out of me for multiple years , I still listened to his viewpoints, and didn’t consider him irrelevant, or block him from GitHub, as Adam has done 🤷🏻‍♂️

People have been saying counterparty has become too centralized for many years (and rightly so IMO)

At least we now have multiple explorers and wallets to choose from, which is awesome

And running a node, and interacting with it is now so much easier too

Completely agree about more explorers n wallets. I was begging for people to wallets and explorers for many years… and I am happy to see additional wallets and explorers arriving! 🥳

really need a couple more devs to come in and write a few more wallets and explorers too.... many hands makes light work 🙂

But you’re making 9.6 which those wallets and explorers won’t work on

Why would changing the prefix in 2.0 be a bad idea?

because it will be used as an implication that the original devs and creators are running a fork and the classic version is the real counterparty

Agree. Majority of nodes vote 2.0, not 9.6

Not even close, no one wants to lose assets on 2.0, 9.6, not sure people really care

What does that matter if counterparty 2.0 has all the users and features and continues on in the eyes of yourself and others as “counterparty”?

My focuses on building my own entirely separate X chain platform… not in continuing to try to push some version of counterparty as the right or wrong version…. Simply providing tools to work on both versions.

Once again, the solution to fixing replay protection and resolving, this issue is either to change the prefix in the fork….. or perhaps to restore the dispenser origin functionality… I highly doubt the core devs are willing to do either, but the ball is in their court at this point…. All I am doing is continuing to run counterparty and allow users to interact with the version that they want to use.

I tend to not listen to your opinion now since I know that you seem to think that anybody that doesn’t agree with your opinion is irrelevant..

Therefore, even if there were hundreds of users, who wanted their assets on 9.6, you would see their views as irrelevant

All I need to know is that it is not a zero number ….. and as has been demonstrated here for the past few weeks, many people are upset about the loss of dispenser functionality.

Change the prefix to add replay protection, or restore the origin functionality so users can create dispensers using a single TX🤷🏻‍♂️

I think Juan 9.6 is irrelevant without your support

As a community, we can’t be held hostage

I think the majority of the community is in support of 2.0

We shouldn’t be forced to change X

So one being an independent person, and having his own opinion, doesn’t matter, unless I back his opinion?

We’re getting off topic here, bro …. I didn’t create the ledger fork the current core devs did by not doing enough testing, and making sure things were backwards compatible as promised.

I’ve made my viewpoint very clear and the solutions that can be implemented to either stop a fork, or isolate the fork with replay protection.

Done engaging for now🤷🏻‍♂️

bitcoin had to fight to kill the fork drama, it worked then, it will work again. However the wider userbase suffered throughout the confusion and in retrospect just moving forward together would have advanced bitcoin further than where it is today.

now you want to do that to counterparty, you are basically asking the people to kill your idea over time while you will be afforded the ability to claim to be a martyr.

seems like a lot

There are way more of us waiting just behind the trees

Soy boys

imho you blew your fork wad already and this is all static so you can hear your own voice confirm the things you believe are right and true

and it worked really well for Roger Ver 🫤

Just a few. https://i.gyazo.com/b5be3d9a52d0c5f4c8c37d21d85644a7.png

Deleted and new people nobody knows who they are lol

Sounds just like a shakeout. Hodl xcp

Why supporting both versions is wrong? There are two ways instead of one, and people can choose. Also, in some examples, it could create two strong communities ;)

I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong, i think forcing the change to stop users from losing funds should be put on 9.6

the two strong communities

IYKYK

Bigger gains to be had with bitcoin cash?

bigger losses, especially for thoses who turned their bitcoin into bch

i mean they are the exact same thing right? people just get to pick the flavor. and people dont like the flavor of asshole

The shit emoji coming from the dude that was sitting waiting to mint the crap out of Pepe Fair.... 💩

Everything pumps in bull, I'm talking about current/future profit margins?

What’s the going price for a rarepepe 9.6?

??? 🤔

Sorry , but the price not a metric in those examples for me. Anyway , but what the worries if 2.0 has more users and etc ? )

How much pepefair going for these days?

I think the onus is on the new version/fork to protect users

no idea 🤷‍♂️ spent 8 days developing from 9am to 1am

Should have rested

maybe im wrong but ive always looked at price as a emotional sentiment

Especially if they want to shut down the old version

Seems tired devs may should have taken nap, tested, take another nap, then release.

What was the rush it was just fine 🤔

also i learned my lesson mining etc because i thought it had better value potential many years ago

Sorry , but You still do not answering on my question .

answer: the worry is fooling well meaning new users into following bad intentioned old users into the dark alley

this means counterparty as a whole gets bad rap when a fork caused the bad experiences

Or fooling new users that the latest version is safe and full consensus and testing has been achieved?

so thats what the worry is

Was this the norm before?

9.6 isn't safe, saying the contrary is fooling users

triggering dispensers left and right because you're just using your wallet to receive bitcoin isn't a feature

Calling people dictators for wanting positive changes was, ignoring community these days is the new norm

What You calling "bad" and "dark"?

https://tokenscan.io/tx/70fc15bacdefa66b50088848e035e463467c06d934acd7e3a286d1fef074b3fe

VICTORYDANCE... :-D

Should be #1 priority

Ofc!!!

Devs should just admit they fucked up and come backbto the real chat. And apologize. They wont

are you telling me there are not currently more experienced users with bad intentions that have exploited uneducated users? Sounds pretty dark to me. Keeping the non consensus fork running sounds like a playground for bad actors

The new stuff is great

They over played their hand

Didn’t realize the power of our frogs

I'm not saying there are not issues with the new version that can be resolved, im saying trying to go in two directions wont resolve things optimally for either party

What did they fuck up?

Shorter list: what haven’t they f’d up?

Dispensers were a hack that did the trick for a while, but they have fucked more people up than anything else

Network was down, the fixed the bugs as soon as possible

Peace could be achieved simply:

1. Come back

2. Fix original functionality atleast until better options [work].

3. Stop being so thin skinned.

What did they fuck up?

Dark alley = 2.0

People keep saying they fucked up, like what?

Opening dispensers on an empty address was cool until someone did it on an exchange's announced new cold storage address that led to the network being spammed and forcing a change to their functionality

They left the chat. That's forking dumb

They tried to ban jdog and left the chat when it didn't work

Core devs trying to be like God-Kings…

These dudes have been working non stop to make CP better lol

Make CP 2.0 better

Not CP community

Great, then they should have the balls to stay in the chat WITH the community they [serve]

Did they come back to cp listening to the communitys voice or went with what they wanted to go with

they asked and got feedback from the community and all builders

No doubt. And I like new stuff. Banning Jdog who has our wallet because they got annoyed when stuff broke was a very stupid move

No matter what they do, everyone won’t agree

Community voice was clearly ignored

Adam was in Lisbon for example

clearly not

So anything they can’t control, they leave.

Regarding fees on numerics, that's basically the first major topic in this chat upon there return

So clearly yes

Aren't they adding fees to numerics?

Jdog is trying to force them to do X

Why should they put up with that

Jdog never lies. Adam and a couple other have blatantly lied multiple times now. It's hard to trust that

So try to kick him out is the answer?

Exactly

Bad move

No they've removed fees for sub assets also? and now u can have numeric subasset, clearly the priorities of the community over safety and functiinality 😭

That Vc (your new mom) character is definitely a skilled liar.

lol wut

The plan is to move to an equal fee system across all assets

based on network demand

Cool, but wasn't what the community spoke for

so they did listen and created a plan

They listened and did opposite, now they release stuff without testing?

2.0 is the fork

it's a well thought out one, rather than tacking a 0.01 fee

This is the classic room

1300 members the 2.0 for has like 50 members

All you 2.0ers aren't even in the new group

So you decided you just want to stay on 9.6 lol

I've been away from chat, so I'm not even sure what all of the drama is

It seems petty though

I am not paranoid in that way; I see real decentralization in that choice. Why view it negatively when individuals can choose which to use, especially if the new version may cause some losses?

Me? No I think it'll all work out

What did Adam and co blatantly lie about?

Whats dan say about the fork?

I'm not doing any transactions until it has been resolved

Haha so 10.6

I am also see some dark activity here btw ;)

Jdog mostly

Scroll back

I've not updated

Not sure

So, he said she said type of situation or any type of concrete lies we should concern ourselves with?

PEPEFORKINIT.....

I'm gonna do whatever dankboost does

No just gas lighting and half truths that don't matter

Twisting narratives

I've been TROJANFROG minting DANKMINTS
😎🤫🔥⚡
S E C R E T A R V I K S

People keep saying stuff but all generalities

Exactly

I wasn't sure about funding of cp until recently, does that mean not very transparent?

Who the hell is Dankboost

@LongbranchBear
👀

Cp is not funded

The vc and horizon thing is so stupid

Good for them, I’m glad they have money to build an awesome wallet

I’m glad they are serious enough to take action so fast

But hesitant to inform. Community

It’s not our business what they do for funding their own wallet

Spent all their time to cater to Chinese stamp bots and hamstringing everyone else. Great vision

It seems Adam didn't listen to the community or something. It seems he didn't listen for hours then when we met him in Lisbon 🤣

They got Chinese tramp stamps 🤫
Kek

I am reminded of a previous fork though, where Juan and Dan were strongly opposed to the upgrade. xcp.dev maintained the fork for a while

I believe there were others that had voiced opposition to it

So it's not our business if they release untested stuff and put old and new users at risk, I think that people who have spent alot of time in cp would like to know of such funding/developments

But sure they don't have to, but it is not very transparent

Every release since I can remember has had a number of hot fixes

We were once promised that dogeparty would be the testing grounds

People who support
the fork support Kamala Harris.

That never really panned out, but a lot of funding went towards it

Based AF

Jeepers 50 nodes of kamala supporters, ewww

There are simply many improvements that can be applied to CounterParty, many things that were required and we thought that CounterParty 2.0 would come with them, such as a more gallery-style website like many others, it is an absolute necessity for CP, when developing a project, which I think is what the new managers of the platform have. The current problems of the community should be emphasized and work based on improving said platform. The idea of ​​​​the development of a project is clear ideas of what points to specifically attack. CP is a really good platform that can be large, but if you directly attack the problems that circulate in the platform. We have a fairly good community, but there is always some toxic infiltrator that should be limited as we already know a lot about the case of Medici against whom no real actions were taken and he continues to scam people. The fact of recreating a wallet I see it out of context because it was not a real problem. Maybe a parallel wallet could be created and that's it. But freewallet optimally fulfilled what was required. So I think the new managers are working out of context, maybe it's just my opinion, I don't know. But I share my opinion to try to enrich and transmit a message to them that if the project is managed correctly we can really be great together. CP has no real competition. They should only focus on real problems and needs. But again I share that this is my opinion and I hope it is taken as constructive criticism. Many people here know that I am a user of the platform for years and with a very good reputation to comment on this.

Wait, so this is the Counterparty classic chat now? *Just catching up

Well, 2.0 is technically the fork, so… 🥸

🙂

They have been tonedeaf ever since they took it over. Only pushing new features that aligned with their new wallet

Chess not checkers

And stamps

they haven't

Ossified Counterparty Chat

they have been actively listening and getting feedback from the community

never seen that before

Exactly everyone casting stones, trying to harm people who are trying to do good

By banning the people finding all of their “hot fixes”

Not everyone obv, but some

Well it's deffo not a community project, post office coin 2.0

https://mempool.space/tx/bbb8c03ad5cf01397b7ca56c7a3f22a56815c2e067667b79a800e2662a895050

looks like 3 sats per unit is the floor

few, even

But at least we have minting and sub assets on free numerics 🤣

https://firemints.xyz/#assets/PEPEFAIR

And free subassets 🎉

finally

🧠

Has anyone lost more than tx fees with the update?

Well, when a small group of tyrants try to force their will on the regular frogs,

sometimes the frogs get their pitchforks out.

😁

Is this MSM

Official MSM Counterparty Room

Maybe the new devs forgot this isn’t mETH

If it isn’t, it should be.

DANKMINTS
Once dank to rule them all 🤫😎

😂

Imagine in 2021 I could tell you what was going on with CP in 2024

It would be unbelievable

Counterparty is seeming very CENTRALIZED into the hands of tone deaf, thin skinned, half truthers.

The features like dispenser or mpma should have been continued until the tools are ready to use which can replace or do better but I dunno the technical implications. Why was this not done? Why the rush?

Ya mpma was yuge why would they remove good features from a specific wallet and force code that would only benefit their own wallet

Postofficeparty

Their for profit wallet

This is why they should apologize and come back to the chat

Counterparty needs a Mom

just a quick search for mpma, and it seems like they're slightly more expensive but still functional. What's the issue?

think that now you cannot personalize memo for each output but yes they works

They need a piece of humble frog lie

1. Dispensers.

2.Multi sends

3. Thinking it’s okay to just remove Jdog, then when they can’t, quit and take their toys home.

I wonder how many were affected by that

Seriously, dispensers have fucked more people over than anything else on Counterparty

It was the community's top priority to fix them

Well, slightly, is a big deal when each send is now a transaction.

30 sends as 2 transactions

Or 30 sends as 32 + transactions.

Slightly, ha!

Nah importing or extracting seed phrases is, yet advice is use seed phrase without risk warning

what do you mean?

Weird right... 🤣
Almost... Ruggish even 🤔🤣

Have you ever done a multi send with freewallet before?

*p

yes i have done

What is the largest amount of multi sends that you sent at once?

thats irrelevant for my question, can you point me to a transaction where doing a multisend you had to do 32 TX?

50 for me, larger ones wouldn’t work

What is the difference in the cost between then, vs now?

idk

is why im asking

You seem very specific and certain here.

I refuse to do any transactions until this is all resolved.

I do have a project that was going to require several large mpma transactions for the group…

But, that isn’t possible (affordable) under the new Version.

Still, I do not see a problem in supporting both.
I see more problems when people firstly trying to hide in another chat from community chat, than they creating a unfinished "update." After some negative communication between other devs supporting BOTH versions, they trying to shut down the classic version without asking people in the community. Also, they are trying to make Jdog and old users look bad, especially for new users and produce some negativity in chat for making people choose . When I am asked what fear of supporting both - the answer was - price examples of BTC/BTCcash.
Did I missed something ?
That is a bit shady for me . I am in counterparty since 2016 btw .

What version does Jdog want to see win, 10.6 or 9.6?

Adams and Evan are in charge of the official repo?

Yep same

Use dogeparty

Use dogeparty

Or postofficeparty

Basically waiting for 9.6 to shut off or Jdog to launch?

Don’t know, but

1. them coming back here

2. Fixing Mpma’s

3. Fixing dispensers

4. Growing thick skin

Then build new stuff I’m all for it.

I’m also the same, I won’t do anything currently

Supporting both creates a opportunity for scams and confusion 100%

So 9.6 😂😂😂😂

Couldn't it have been run in parallel until multiple dex with atomic swaps and stuff are up running an tested for like 6 months? And then say ok niw we shutt the other stuff off at dis block?

Can’t wait to use atomic swaps

New devs gonna have to eat some crow and make peace with others open source tool builders

No, utxos are not in 9.6

Lots of us should take this stance

I cannot think of one reason to have 2 version running makes zero sense. Will cause confusion and scams. Long term one will die but the damage done during this time will not be minor (in my opinion)

Anyone have Juan’s phone number?

Yes the rollout could have been better. Yes it was not smooth and at the moment is not great (but getting better).

Being done for dopamine

Natural selection process

Should really think of the consequences of forking, shit in the sink and leave

use dividends

But you cannot switch back and between version as a CP user. Few understand how this will work let along normal users. You will have to make a choice and use one

You don’t understand the situation.

Would adding replay protection to the new fork solve user issues?

Imma make such sick art about all this
🐸🪖✍️⚡

It requires a big man to humble himself and come back to the community.

Is Adam a big man?

would adding replay protection to the depreciated release solve user issues?

As in no 596 club

This is not the whole community many are not in TG at all. The damage from a fork is big issue, way bigger than TG fights. Not defending anyone (Adam or other), my issue is that we were all thinking to move forward with a new CP and now we are talking about a fork

That is when I started posting as I do think strongly that it will be a negative

Yes let's hope the new/current devs ensure no dupes, no 1/1/1/1/1/1/1s

if a standalone FW version (thats runs 10.6+) is a recommended wallet on the xcp website and the FW website... (so all new users with little education are pointed to a working and correct wallet running the correct protcol version)

...and for hypotheticals sake (because FW doesnt run 9.6 at this time it runs 10.x+) lets just assume that the 9.6 is kept somewhat 'away' or hard to find on the FW github (for only advanced users who are interested in whatever 9.6 gives them...) and literally named a different wallet with a different download page....

is that truly a big issue?

I am yet to solidify my opinion, been interested in all viewpoints here... but if new users (and dumb ones) are instantly pointed to the correct version.... what is the risk of advanced users trying out the old version?

... if i had to have an opinion at the moment, it would be along the lines of "why not let people fork if done so in a reasonable manner?" - Monaparty forked, Overstock forked..... but also "I'd rather that the most used wallet with the most comprehensive features to not be marked as 'unsafe' if the wallet still runs 10.x+"

I personally can let go of the features lost from 9.6 to get the new ones in 10.x+ .... but the last thing i would want is for the most used and comprehensive features to be marked as "not safe".

If i was a new user and wanted to try out Dividends, MPMA, Enhanced Asset Info, CP Broadcast, importing specific PK's, using Legacy or Segwit addys, Reset token function, etc. etc. etc. ...... then i would love for that wallet (that is running 10.x+ !!!!) to be marked as 'safe to use'

just my unfiltered thoughts - take it as you see fit

This room definitely isn't builder friendly. Or a safe place to discuss...

many valid points well laid out

This place is more decentralized as ever. It's a psyop to belive it's centralized under Adam.

in the hypothetical situation that 9.6 FW is named "FW classic" and "Freewallet" as it has always been is named Freewallet (and runs 10.x+) .... what would a vector attack look like?

how could it be mitigated if so?

People have a hard enough time to understand CP let alone to version showing the same tokens

what i am asking - is how would that look and what can be done to help stop it?

10+ teams, 50-100 devs/engineers/designers. Just easier to point a finger...

Someone would setup a scam to sell you a naka on FWC when you think you are buying in FW

Make zero sense to have to production chains. Zero

Regardless of how hidden

you point out logical potential future, but I think the solution to stop it is focusing on getting improvements into or back into the newer code instead of running old code to try to hang on to those functions

i can understand this - i dont disagree with it

im just overall sad that stamped ninja didnt update

they fucked up

I think we are in a weird limbo zone where the older removed features will have been replaced with more functional features as time goes on, so the frustration of them being lost is simply causing delay for improvements to the current functions

but I fully agree removing things people use and then having things they dont understand yet or have been fleshed out replaces them, but traditional/basic functions are still there

im just overall sad too that in the github 6 months ago i saw this dispenser upgrade as a possibility of lost funds and warned of changing existing features too much before giving the community a working new wallet with new functionality (and retaining old ones)..... but alas.... i can only give my opinions

it could have been avoided

i just wish stamped ninja updated too

it would have been much less of an issue imo if that situation with stamped ninja devs was taken with great care - stamped ninja is huge

So anybody tech savvy could technically do this by running an older version, the new version/fork has no safety measures/features to protect against dupes?

So there are already dupes of assets?

i think this is why jdog is asking for the flag - so 10.x+ doesnt trigger 9.6

Yes but FreeWallet is a known source so is not anyone

Anyone that has the capability, as mentioned the onus is on the new version/fork to ensure user safety

That is not correct really if you think about it.

We are taking about a very specific case here not just random attack vectors

Someone creates a new version that allows duplicates to be sold defrauding users kinda suggests to me that should be seriously considered before release

You do not understand what I’m saying. This is not “Someone”

Doesn't matter who it is

Of course it does

For the scam to work

So defrauding users is OK if Adam made the update?

You do not understand and I cannot explain it on my phone

lol

If jdog has 2 versions running that is going to be 1000% easier to get someone to fall for the scam other than bob

Don’t become Ethereum classic yall 😬

Outside of the jdog/adam drama. What are the main concerns here?

Cause I’m new to counterparty and your wallets and dispensers suck.

The new version should be safe

And if this is an issue then there's already dupes if ninja hasn't updated?

Do you represent the investors for Unspendable Labs?

You can see the mess they have made

Might want to bring it up

Does JDog have any investors in his companies?

Good question

Seems kind of common to have

It’s a company after all

welcome to the party - where we bicker and fight over everything since 2014

BUT if you think thats bad, try scanning the Bitcoin Github

discussion of BIP's makes this place look like a 5 star hotel

I have a counter to that...

No one can answer this?

I think the answer is yes

That's why silence lol

lol I’m learning the vibe.

I mean you guys have been an small elite group off in your corner of the ecosystem for a longggg time.

Possibly, because they used a multi dispense for their marketplace. I’m not sure though

Albany is great when NYC gets too crowded ;)

Shit, thanks devs for your return

The same people you sided with has caused you issues

All of the UTXO attached tokens are forked away from 9.6

We don’t like new people pissing on our lawn

i see youve met gmuns

Adam promised no tax on txs

Shouldda protected the new fork/release, school boy error

im here for the longbranch jokes

Too bad? 🤷‍♂️

Royalty

You should understand better what you’re standing for

I didn't release an update that allows defrauding users

9.6 does

How many Pepes n RARES n Danks do you got?

Trying to understand how being able to trigger a dispenser from a vanilla bitcoin wallet helped to onboard users. So I send bitcoin from say, Sparrow, and Sparrow shows me nothing. Because by definition a vanilla bitcoin wallet is not Counterparty-aware. Who would do this or think it’s a good on-boarding experience? New users always need to start their journey with a Counterparty wallet.

Haha, yh coz there was duplicate assets before 10.postofficeparty

None??

Stepping on big toes bruv

ill say this Jake.... and nobody has to believe me.... even though the devs bicker and fight.... they still help each other at the end of the day (or week or month) for the sake of improving counterparty...

bout a year ago there was a big debate over stamps and named assets and fees etc.... it got HEATED.... but when going to a Pepe event with a bunch of xcp people from all viewpoints.... they all broke bread and drank wine together and....... if we get to the goal the community desires, then we all win

and in the history of xcp.... drama has always been a factor... but it always seemed to work out anyway... call me optimistic but.... iron sharpens iron

Sounds par for the course with crypto and real life.

I will say. You guys probably have the strongest claim to an actually community run/decentralized project. And that’s good but also comes with a ton of fucking headaches to coordinate.

There’s gonna be some bumps executing at a high level.

Competition is fierce right now across Bitcoin and counterparty has some dope tech, but needs som upgrades to compete with the players coming on thr market

Further to this… the on-boarding experience would then require moving your existing seed into another wallet in order to see your assets? In what universe is this a *good* on-boarding experience for new users?

We’re seeing this already on Ordinals.
If the big 3 (Xverse, leather, unisat) doesn’t support it. You’re gonna have a bad time.

Id welcome you by sending u some free frogs but im not making any tx’s until the new fragile devs get their shit together

whats beautiful about the xcp community is most people in here loved ordinals (and were very early) - the best thing xcp has is that the dev/user base knows what they like from other blockchains and protocols - they are very very experienced in that aspect

Ordinals are dumb

lol ordinals are dope ur dumb

penny for your thoughts?

Literally make believe related to some make believe way to own an image

I get it.
🐸🪖🙏💚
Truly was honest question though.

if you knew about xcp in 2014-2017 you prob know a shit ton about tokenization and user interfaces just being a user (just my opinion!)

hard to find somebody in xcp that hasnt tried out 20 other platforms

That's called gas lighting

you didnt like my penny pun?

its worth at least 1c

No we didn’t 🤣

u didnt gmuns

Pennies don't exist?

LB chill with the jokes

😡

Ok ok .
I'll be civilized.
🐸🪖💚

Pure intent

Do you even have one BITCORN?

Nope

Sounds like I should go hunt

🙋‍♀️🫣 I’m that person.

Only used xcp in one very specific way since being onboarded by mikeinspace during Drooling Apes.

Will obvi learn new things with 2.0 🧡

What is this BITCORN sorceryz

https://t.me/bitcorns

I have a few, can sell ya some grails

I'll always be first to admit I'm retarded.
But I'm quite quick to pick up new retarding techniques...

I'll be the first to point it out

The initial question kinda did assume that my values needed checking, I think with what I've seen in the wild West I have always retained strong values

If a bank updates it's app, it has to ensure that people who haven't updated and make transactions are recorded and true in the updated version, quite simple imo

The app forces me to update before allowing me to communicate with its systems. or says refer to bank teller...

Not in my scenario bud

Banks are centralized. There wouldnt be a discussion. You’d be on “2.0.”

bank better

If you paid attention in this chat and the drama and folding for the past couple weeks, I have stated multiple times that I have never taken on venture funds, or gotten investors in my company or made my focus being making my services profitable…. Making money is not my focus… making the technology easier to understand and use has been…. Hence, why my coindaddy has never turned a profit and I’ve operated FreeWallet and tokenscan and Xchain for years to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars of lost funds.

Not complaining , it was my choice to continue supporting counterparty as I continued to believe in it and it’s truly decentralized and community driven properties.

TLDR nope, never took VC funds in my life🤷🏻‍♂️

Again, not in my scenario

So even you admit, they forked away from 9.6…. And are the fork…. But they shouldn’t be the ones to add replay protection… lol

Off to take my son home… back later… go touch some grass guys… life will go on either way🤷🏻‍♂️

Users can simply create a new wallet to use on whatever chain they want… simple solution to making sure that they don’t use the same addresses on counterparty classic and counterparty 2.0…. You’re making it sound like the only option is to use the same wallets on both platforms…. I will very clearly put up this suggestion to create a new wallet on the new fork and start using that wallet if users plan to use both counterparty classic and counterparty 2.0 at the same time.

Cool let's name it...

Mintwallet

Or

Domwallet

Flatwallet like horizon but flatter

Richwallet

Jk

Adams calling for free sex changes for incarcerated frogs. Forced atrizene

Kamala coz no one voted for it?

It’ll stay named freewallet, but be branded n identified what version your running, so as to not confuse users…

Either the devs should change the code to add the origin dispenser functionality back , or change the prefix to add replay protection….. or stop freaking out assuming the worst and wait until I actually put out updates🤷🏻‍♂️

There’s a reason why I haven’t released everything yet, compromises can still be made, but that window is very rapidly closing, and I have seen nothing from the other side to indicate they are willing to have discussions with the community or compromise in anyway from their “counterparty 2.0 features are the only features that matter” viewpoint.🤷🏻‍♂️

me thinks there is some trump card in this replay protection

Will the Horizon wallet have pronouns?

just so we know how the Bitcoin Frontier VC guys feel about JDog...

They dont know we take great pride in being a part of this CULT

They don't know we all have individual cults. Decentracult

by the way some simple search for the Bitcoin Frontier Fund they appear to be hiding under a Bitcoin Maxi appeal but they have shitcoins and degens all over there page with a token launchpad & accelerator... lol not hard to see who these clowns are

so probably why they wanted the mints so quick to launch more degenerate shiiite

Legends in our own minds 😎

I'm in like 10 things people slander as a cult lol

funny was just saying this the other day

im part of many cults

Cult of personality

frog cult def my fav tho

Project: Dank Directory
DANKCULT

xD

what a clown show... maybe forking counterparty was original intent to disrupt our army of frogs to protect the other stupid shit they invested in

And if we don't call Diddy and Will Smith, they know about rituals too xD