- 13 January 2024 (482 messages)
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TEST ETF soon -
They as in free stampers and ‘Mike and co’, not you.
I remember your named stamp stuff. It was good, until it disappeared.
Gmoney liking shit he hates. 😂 -
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This chat has to be least efficient way to figure anything out -
in calm days like these?
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I don’t even have an opinion anymore, I can’t even vote. -
Can anyone tell me about those ordinal dispensers that I see all the time,actually right now it says someone paid 69btc for 7.2344 -
It’s spam, was setup on an exchange wallet
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As soon as that shit started it really slowed the site down a few months ago,mostly the same ones
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I’ve never noticed xchain being slow tbh
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When I first started using it years ago it seemed lightning fast now it lags days for transactions
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For me anyway
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Someone found a way to distribute their tokens far and wide, and used Counterparty according to the rules. They the most successful dispensers operator ever -
I’m guessing it’s you
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no I can only admire the work
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I suppose this could be a way to track depositors
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anyone can track everything on chain .. its More akin to sprinkling hundreds n thousands to make it look pretty
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some see spam i see fairy dust
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Makes it a bit easier to visualize
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maybe there is a chain analysis company that like s Counterparty
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I bet there are people out there thinking wow why is that token selling so well
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you got to give it to them, they had an original thought and used it in a way no one else had thought to
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Na that was easy to think of
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maybe they prefer memes to github n posted a bug report using images not words
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I set this one up on the first spendable Bitcoin address https://xchain.io/tx/c6df2a6c72d160f0d19cd8735a842ac80e2a249064cee28393bd1edcdb823fa8
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First spendable address ? that would be satoshis genesis block addy
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Yea pretty much lol
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1HLoD9E4SDFFPDiYfNYnkBLQ85Y51J3Zb1 that’s the address
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HLoD
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I thought genesis block address has a A near the start. I know addresses as we know them now didn't exist back then but if you hash the pubkey
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Exactly - go for it
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Genesis block can’t be spent? 1AZ something?
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It use to be my password lol
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it can be spent from just not thr 50 block reward
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so the 1HLOD is the first spendable block reward
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so block 1?
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or is it first address when they became a thing? I genuinely interested its almost spells hodl
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Block 2
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is cool Counterparty reaches back to those early blocks even tho it didn't exist at the time
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Rough Plan to Fix Repo · Issue #1305 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib
Working on all of this with @ouziel-slama (!) Migrate to Python 3.11 Use the latest version for all dependencies Replace setup.py with pyproject.toml Add and document Hatch support Fix test suite B...
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very nice
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I thought it was the first spendable block, I’m an idiot.
Block 1 has a token called GOLDTICKET sent 8 years ago so no dispenser is possible on that address -
it might be .. are you sure?
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ah I guess its not a 'empty address' if it has a token on it, doesn't need to have transacted
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with all the voting going on how do we register our abstentions? .I not Australian so can not be compelled to vote
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spendable reward from block 1 yes but sats can be sent from genesis address if they don't originate from block 0
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usually in elections we get a turn out figure
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Almost every IETF participant knows the aphorism from Dave Clark's 1992 plenary presentation [Clark] regarding how we make decisions in the IETF: We reject: kings, presidents and voting. We believe in: rough consensus and running code. That is, our credo is that we don't let a single individual dictate decisions (a king or president), nor should decisions be made by a vote, nor do we want decisions to be made in a vacuum without practical experience. Instead, we strive to make our decisions by the consent of all participants, though allowing for some dissent (rough consensus), and to have the actual products of engineering (running code) trump theoretical designs.RFC 7282: On Consensus and Humming in the IETF
The IETF has had a long tradition of doing its technical work through a consensus process, taking into account the different views among IETF participants and coming to (at least rough) consensus on technical matters. In particular, the IETF is supposed not to be run by a "majority rule" philosophy. This is why we engage in rituals like "humming" instead of voting. However, more and more of our actions are now indistinguishable from voting, and quite often we are letting the majority win the day without consideration of minority concerns. This document explains some features of rough consensus, what is not rough consensus, how we have gotten away from it, how we might think about it differently, and the things we can do in order to really achieve rough consensus. Note: This document is quite consciously being put forward as Informational. It does not propose to change any IETF processes and is therefore not a BCP. It is simply a collection of principles, hopefully around which the IETF can come to (at least rough)…
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no ser we are post office coin
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When post office coin white list? -
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Seeing this now on Xchain which is great. How much time to cast a vote?
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I tried direct. You said bring it back here. 😂
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Exactly - keep your comments here
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Puts things in perspective. Not really an apples to apples comparison, mind you, but a blockchain older than CP (just rediscovered so no actual improvements in a decade) had 14 million inscriptions done in just a couple weeks. In comparison, around 40,000 stamps.
https://x.com/adamamcbride/status/1745988798960345141Adam McBride (@adamamcbride) on X14 million inscriptions with a ten year old rickety sas meme blockchain. Not too shabby #BELLSblockchain
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The blockchain is brand new, its a clone of an old coin. -
Ok fair enough. I should look into it further
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New chain. 10 year old tech. -
And tbh it has us scrambling a bit to keep it running🤣
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I could not find a specific deadline for voting. -
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No, I’ve moved on to X:
https://x.com/mikeinspace/status/1745701231211774428Mike In Space (@mikeinspace) on XYo @adamamcbride how do I vault this??
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There’s a block height deadline listed
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At least get the facts straight - they’re called Flooneys
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Currently — "Voting ends in 2106 blocks"
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Need more help?
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STAMPSLUT and GHEY coming up
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This looks like it could be prescient: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyM8sx4JNUECounterparty Forks, Counterparty Foundation, and Consensus Failures (Part 1/3)
Intro/Outro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfE1tWZjxv0 Part 1/3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyM8sx4JNUE Part 2/3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkfer0-SdWc Part 3/3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjv8B7gSqxY References https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-VkIOjpFe6yX19B1FBhUOwCTEl0GLgeaAuDH1G7SZiM/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/13b2N8q0SnBpmLXpMJhFrK6UonaEvaT29m7iXdpjfKDk/edit?usp=sharing https://counterpartytalk.org/t/to-fork-or-not-to-fork-this-is-the-question/4233 https://counterpartytalk.org/t/whole-lotta-larpn-goin-on/4293 https://counterpartytalk.org/t/the-state-of-the-counterparty-project/4332 https://xchain.io/address/18BfbQ8kXcL8dwjYmX5fhyZs1YefxLFHG9
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It’s def been laggy -
No vote is an option.
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I’d like to make a general proposal for the fee structure and the subsequent allocation of the fees collected.
1. Fee Structure
*Fee for creating named assets: 0.5 XCP
*Fee for created numeric assets: 0.5 XCP
(Creation of a assets should cost the same regardless of whether it is numeric or named. Both BTC and ETH charge fees in their native token for using the network. Counterparty should be able to do the same.)
2. Allocation of asset creation 0.5 XCP fee generated
*Software development fund: 0.20 XCP (placed in fund)
*Server/infrastructure fund: 0.15 XCP (placed in fund)
*XCP deflationary value creation: 0.15 XCP (burned)
There are several problems facing counterparty that can be saved by a solution such as this:
*Software development: FUNDED!
*Server/hardware purchase & maintenance: FUNDED!
*Maintenance of value of native token: FUNDED!
Having these problems solved by reasonable fees paid by people using the counterparty protocol/infrastructure seems like an equitable and logical answer.
I’m sure the dev and user communities will have a wide variety of reactions to these ideas and numbers, but I thought it worthwhile to publicly suggest them.
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In order to collect and distribute funds you need something like a foundation with decision-makers. Counterparty foundation was disbanded years ago.
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Also if you take a look at xchain (prior to the takedown) named assets averaged 5-10 issuances per day. So that's about $20/day on the generous side. You should see about the same number of numerics as most stamps activity has actually migrated off of counterparty (SRC20). So let's say $40/day. That's about $15,000 per year.
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$15,000 aint nothing, but it hardly solves infrastructure and dev funding.
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Oh... btw, if you set-up a foundation (as they did last time as a Delaware corporation) you have to pay taxes, so it's more like $10,000.
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They get into the dissolution of the foundation in this video. Some interesting Counterparty history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyM8sx4JNUECounterparty Forks, Counterparty Foundation, and Consensus Failures (Part 1/3)
Intro/Outro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfE1tWZjxv0 Part 1/3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyM8sx4JNUE Part 2/3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkfer0-SdWc Part 3/3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjv8B7gSqxY References https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-VkIOjpFe6yX19B1FBhUOwCTEl0GLgeaAuDH1G7SZiM/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/13b2N8q0SnBpmLXpMJhFrK6UonaEvaT29m7iXdpjfKDk/edit?usp=sharing https://counterpartytalk.org/t/to-fork-or-not-to-fork-this-is-the-question/4233 https://counterpartytalk.org/t/whole-lotta-larpn-goin-on/4293 https://counterpartytalk.org/t/the-state-of-the-counterparty-project/4332 https://xchain.io/address/18BfbQ8kXcL8dwjYmX5fhyZs1YefxLFHG9
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Set-up a poll.
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what if we went the complete opposite direction and removed the fee for named assets? XCP is basically worth nothing so its not like there's much barrier to name squatting currently. and there's already a bunch of name squatting anyway. just a random thought while im cooking -
aaand i just burned the pasta sauce
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i made a statement on this earlier today as well -
why not sunset 10 years of anti-squatting mechanism and invigorate a robust secondary market for asset namespace
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I'm a bit confused about the stamps thing.
You are saying that most stamps activity has already migrated off of counterparty.
If this is the case, why are the stamps creators so hotly debating whether or not CP charges a fee for generating numeric assets?
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Consensus is stasis. We aren't hotly debating anything because we aren't the ones attempting to break away from the consensus. We also don't have a say in what ultimatelty happens either way. I am a counterparty member since 2017 and have launched many named asset projects. I speak on my own behalf.
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words mean nothing. we can argue in this chat because we like to argue. Consensus is consensus and isn't decided in a telegram chat.
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Great questions here.
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You should speak up then…. Cuz XCP votes for yes already at like 30k+ yes for fee… n projects voting n reaching out to me to update xchain to indicate their votes (with link to broadcasts from project leaders from known project addresses…. Like it or not… the community is speaking…. How about encouraging ppl to vote rather than more drama🤷🏻♂️ -
Because its not a vote. At best its a sentiment poll. That's not how consensus is arrived at nor will I give this poll legitimacy by promoting or voting.
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Talk about "loaded" language. Is that actually the "official" Counterparty position? Who even is "official" now that the foundation is shut down?
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That's not communism. Its the reality of how consensus is arrived at. You don't get a vote that obligates someone else to write or host code.
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has nothing to do with socialism. stop trolling
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NGL I'm waiting for the return of the BITGIRLS:
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Anyone in here touched some grass yet? -
snow outside so no
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encouraging people to vote creates drama
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Interesting... Bitgirls started off as an ICO but it looks like it never actually launched? Hard to find more info on it as their website is now down:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616089.0
https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-rebranding-in-japan-bitgirls-tv-show-to-sugarcoat-mtgox-drama
Their original ICO token was never distributed, unless if its called something else:
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It was kind of a cool project. I think there were 2 or 3 seasons.
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I think the whole series/collection is listed here:
Bitgirls season 1:
https://rarejapanesenfts.com/collection/bitgirls/BitGirls - Rare Japanese NFTsBitGirls is a special NFT collection that’s linked to a real TV show in 2016. The show itself ended a long time ago, but its unique token system and the concept of making blockchain collectibles based on real idols still fascinate.
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There was also a super high issuance group of bitgirls tokens that were trading at Zaif. I have a few hundred but they don't provide a way to export them from Zaif.
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I think you vote with your bitgirl pepe
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This is getting ridiculous now. -
Consensus has been reached by the current active dev team; those responsible for making the changes.
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there was only ever one node out of consensus
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amazing
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AFAIK, JP inscribed the first Art with a broadcast
https://www.xcp.dev/tx/627ae48d6b4cffb2ea734be1016dedef4cee3f8ffefaea5602dd58c696de6b74
I created CCSATOSHI, which was the first to use base64 in the token’s description.
https://www.xcp.dev/tx/4c19b8f1b4dcefa27490d2a8d4b5afea2350d0b75640e402519e8aa2a628397a -
I’m liking this idea
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Depends what you define as “digital art” - an image? Code? Intent? Conceptual? Etc. -
a still-functioning Bitcoin project that is 10 years old is a big deal indeed. welcome back
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10 years of spam on the blockchain 😅
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as we continue to argue here what is or isn't spam... its fitting really
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cope. admitting you have no real community its all fake and ghey 😂
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we are consensus... weird how you guys have 4K + members in your chats yet no actual community lol
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lol. We have 250k stamps and no community 🤷 -
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if you really want to get down and dirty I'd argue Satoshi minted the first "art on the blockchain"/NFT with the genesis block header -
Many definitions of what an "NFT" is are indeed used out of convenience or bag bias, so its hard for everyone to agree, but I tend to go with @jp_janssen's OLGA as it is the 1st 1-of-1 Counterparty token, and nobody had thought to make a 1-of-1 on Mastercoin at that point, or even NXT, as far as I know.
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Namecoin people would say it was earlier & over there, d/bitcoin or something, but the term "token" wasn't applied to Namecoin assets until 2021... it was retroactively applied after NFTs became all the rage.
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Namecoin is like “accidental art”. Is someone’s Facebook avatar really “art”?
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Haha don’t tell the NMC people this
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🤷
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Yeah I prefer collecting stuff that doesn't expire... Its like if you have a baseball card, but you don't register it every 8 months, it disappears...
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haha no, but it would be honest
I don't think d/bitcoin ever expired. At one point, the owner, who is one of the original Namecoin devs, was offered $1 million for it, and he refused. -
He's holding out for... reasons
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Thanks for all your support over the years, and making sure that only people who have proven they can code, proven themselves able to think under pressure n act rationally towards solving the emergency when everything fails, have repo access over the years. Few truly understand the pressure of the whole project riding on one person, and I know you do.
I agree with your decision, am seeing Adam return and engage in a way I respect, he clearly has the technical skills to manage and code on Counterparty.
I think the community is strong enough now (devs n users), n CP is best served by us stepping away after 10 years, and I support your decision, the core devs decision, and think this is the best case scenario I was working toward the last month 🥳❤️
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How many no fee xcp votes onchain? Zero? Kek
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Would be nice to see a per address vote tally too
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its been available since the polls started... here is the URL to get the breakdown of votes, by address, n what is used to determine that over 1% of CP has said YES to fee (42,000+ YES votes) and 0 NO votes.... just giving info, not trying to push in one way or the other, just facts... everyone who is voting is saying YES.... and no real "NO" votes... if you refuse to participate, that is cool.... but i looks to me like there is a loud YES from stakeholders and projects saying to support fee.... and only opposition I see is the poll n some chats here... which is just ONE aspect of the data gathering.... so, the easily gamed poll (here) says no.... everything else where ACTUAL stakeholders in XCP and Projects, seems to be saying YES to fee.
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Ignore at your own peril....i'm off to vegas... l8r gater
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That poll says that all the people that hold the token wants to pump It. -
Voting entirely for self interest, which is completely understandable and not unexpected at all. -
So dumb asking token holders about a mechanism that will make their token more scarce
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It’s bias from the start and a nothingness to everyone else. Not even worth a vote
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Yup. Told people not to vote. Hope it remains at zero.
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I see it as XCP stake holders and ppl who been here since the original burn, and invested in the platform are speaking... again, interpret the data how you want... but, ignore at your own peril... if community screams YES in all polls... n ppl decide to ignore, that can be fine... but, at least it is going to be made clear, community wants something, tried to communicate it in many ways..... and core devs ignored it.... which is fine, but all decisions gonna be public now... its best for CP
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What % of the supply do you have?
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awesome... thanks mike... so, tell ppl NOT to vote where it matters (XCP and proejct polls).... but tell them to vote no here, cuz its easy to game... got it
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I see you mike... no more games... .calling out what I see as BULLSHIT from now on ... loudly... its a new J-Dog... buckup bro!..
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Haven’t told any one to vote anywhere
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The Counterparty logo literally links to coindaddy on the vote page. May want to fix that
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talk technical like you know what your talking about... till someone pushes back on ya... then "Just here for the memes, i'm dumb"..... pick a side... your understand everything and want to speak on it.... or your a dumbass who knows nothing and is just throwing shit into a fire n watching it burn for LULz.... which is fine (go cypherpunks).... but, OWN IT.... your an anarchist clearly... but are you really smart or really dumb or just here to get your name in big lights..... it remains ot be seen.... but i'm done hearing you talk like some prophet.... you had an idea (unoriginal) to spam stuff.... it took off, you ignored ppl... damage was done... .YAY, your famous.... BOO... you shit all over the community, caused this drama... and why... cuz MIKE WANTS TO BE FAMOUS N INCHARGE OF A BIG PROJECT.... MIKE is CP... ROFLMAO... what a joke
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big projects come with big costs... think your finally starting to understand that... but remember "we don't rely on XChain, J-Dog is over-reacting, J-Dog is not CP".... your words... stand by them, even when they are proven to be lies (you dont run on my shit, saying taht nonsense for many months)... tho, soon as I just RATE limit my stuff.... prettymuch 99% of the stamps ecosystem stops dead in its tracks... maybe next time keep your arms around the project, keep the standard open, and keep control of the devs related to your project.... then maybe you will have a better idea of if you TRULY depend on things, and are just listening to YES men..... cuz, from my perspective... you look REAL dumb for 9 months saying no problem.... it took me like less than a few hours to simply rate limit my stuff and stop all of your "We dont use your shitty infastructure" argument dead in the tracks..... sorry to vent.... wont take it out on everyone... but, best believe I am speaking my mind going forward.... So... you keep doing you... and i'll keep doing me.... as I said when I walked away... I'm fine with history deciding if I was right.... I put in 10 years n carried CP on my back, alone, for a large portion of that time.... You got a hot project that got attention, but end result.... annoyed and frustrated the ONE person working on stuff so much, that he decided to move on to other things..... I think it is actually TIME for CP to grow... so maybe this is a good thing... but, having one project abuse the shit out of what I have built, almost burn it to the ground, and then make a hostile power grab for the codebase is NOT how the transition of power should have gone...... Think I am a crazy person all you want.... my history speaks for itself, this was all a step by step approach to achieve the goal of not making this my problem anymore.... and now its not
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Hate me if you want... you got a big project with millions of dollars supposedly.... you got options to solve the problems in front of you.... keep arguing against fee if you want.... but, I gave you options to get what you want.... your choosing to just continue with more of the same nonsense.... cept NOW I am able to call it out publicly, and higlight it, by being the "crazy dictator" role.... insane or sane... left up to history to decide
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but sure seems like transition took a week, and is wrapping up 1 hour before I get on a plane to vegas..... could be all coincidence... or COULD be a sane plan, to act crazy, to get out of control, and it has been executed.... perfectly no!.... but, end goal is achieved... i'm out, Adam is in, lots dev interest n building happening... Hate me if you want, but I choose this outcome and put CP on this course.... just had to make sure ppl coming back would engage in good faith.... and they have, so they have my support 🎉️️️️️️🚀️️️️️️❤️️️️️️️
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Someone grab this man a shovel
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if i'm leaving, best believe I am firing bullets (verbal / reputational) at people who I feel have made my life infinitely more difficult, and who tho they SAY they are here for the community, have (to me at least) proven that is not the case.... so yep... dig away.... tho notice... this ROGUE dictator... only has really fired at 2 ppl... @krostue and @mikeinspace .... everyone else here, EVEN THE STAMP DEVS, are working to build CP up... might have different motivations... but these 2 really made my life hell the past year, so saying it loud n proud
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Really shows how junkmail people have no community. Sad and pathetic but mostly pathetic
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I Ain't Reading All That
I'm happy for you tho
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btw, how much longer are you going to be admin of this room? now that you stepped down and all. Also, are you going to give the domains back to Adam now, or... ???
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Read the chat, history, bro…. I tried to give up all the properties said here take them core devs and they said no we don’t want the responsibility you keep holding and running everything….
I also on my chat yesterday clarified that I will keep running all counterparty properties on counterpart software as I have done for 10 years
But yeah, don’t read anything. Say I’m the bad guy you’re in touch with the community. Ignore me. 🤷🏻♂️
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When you say you will does that mean
I’m happy to do so
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Sorry bro… not handing off properties to people who are just now stepping up…. Got approve yourself for at least a couple years…. Or be a founder and ask for them back publicly loudly and take full responsibility for running everything official for counterparty.
As you may have learned in the past few days … when there is conflict, there is no consensus, so the best path is to do nothing and wait for changes and reevaluate in the future.
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"waiting" is often the best way to manage things, but most people think everything needs to be "resolved" fast -
And some people are of the opinion that 9+ months is too fast I guess🤷🏻♂️😜
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Block: 820674 (56.40s, hashes: L:256c4 / TX:8dc70 / M:49e46)
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i didnt see any block full of stamps that takes so much time in parse mostly bc a block has a max number of stamps that fit in it
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Got a very bad phase with my startup last year, the BAs wanted to fire my co founder because they were angry. Didn't followed and made them wait, preferred focusing on rebuilding than unnecessary fights
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Now things are different
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It's never a good idea to act in the moment
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(and to fight instead of searching consensus)
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But if your cofounder ragequit would you let them continue to hold key business property?
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If jdog feels fully ousted (already is) I’m thinking we end up with a bitcoin . com situation
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Not far from what happened. I waited & discussed
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I don’t think Jdog is trying to destroy us but make us stronger and doing what he thinks is necessary.
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Wow, talk about spam! Might need an xcp burn requirement on those broadcasts. Imagine if we had actually transitioned src20 onto broadcasts… 😵
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Mike In Space (@mikeinspace) on X
@CMYKRevolution Some of the original counterparty founders have made it back into the Telegram chats. We’ve discussed how the xcp fee on mints is actually an anti-squat mechanism not an anti-spam mechanism. This is why it only applies to named assets (scarce and squattable) and not numerics. The…
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So all for stamp imfrastructure adding on bitcoin fees for gain, but not xcp burn for the culture -
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POLL RESULTS
XCP Fee on Numerics?
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55% = Yes, 0.25 XCP
16% = Yes, 0.5 XCP
10% = Yes, Discuss
19% = No
XCP Fee on Numerics (YES/NO)
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81% = YES
19% = No
What Should Fee Be?
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55% = 0.25 XCP
16% = 0.50 XCP
10% = OTHER
Activation Block
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790,000 = Current block
+ 1008 = 144 blocks per day x 7 days
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791,008 = Activation Block
It appears that general consensus is to institute an 0.25 XCP Fee on Numerics at block 791,008.
@hodlencoinfield Agreed? -
And because of that I vote no confidence, there are repercussions to rash and emotional actions
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Activation block is in the past? 825,660 is current block
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Yh, was consensus b4 all this BS, seems like your opinion/troll/threats worked, now yall singing of the same hym sheet it seems now
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Give an inch, take a mile
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That’s not how consensus works, we have consensus
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Yh you've trolled for 9/10 months now the current maintainers agree with you
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But they didn't last month, you paid them off?
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Yes. In sexual favours
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Doesn’t seem applicable here
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Nice loosing speech
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STAMPSLUT was just minutes from being minted last night and now she’s 15,000 deep in the queue.
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Where - isn’t everyone a free rider engaging with the counterparty protocol , by design?
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Do you trust Adam, Looney, JP and Shannon? Because it’s not 1 persons vote anymore.
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The Great Tusk Paradox seems much more applicable here
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Yes - seems like a good thing
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I dunno if it ever was or ever shall be this serious. I just wanna enjoy my frog pics with my frens
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What counterparty infrastructure was jeopardized ?
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I dont run the telegram chat
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"Using the shit out of it" 😂 yeah we can't have that
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People confuse the protocol with a 3rd party service (which is not unreasonable given how intertwined they’ve been all these years). That’s not good. Devs are working on needed optimizations.
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You’ve characterized it as abuse, I don’t accept the premise.
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“When did you stop beating your wife?”
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Never accept someone else’s framing
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is being lost in the conv so i resend it again
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Block: 820674 (56.40s, hashes: L:256c4 / TX:8dc70 / M:49e46)
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i didnt see any block full of stamps that takes so much time in parse mostly bc a block has a max number of stamps that fit in it
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Cognitive dissonance.
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BTNS is soooo much worse than numerics.
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so please every time someone tells stamp is abuse bc they dont pay fee read this
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I’ll create a vote!
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oh hello
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xcp fee wont solve the issue
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code optimizations does
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that was the block that blew up xchain very recently
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is not one block is just an example i have seen so many of this with broadcast in it that takes more than 50 seconds
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none with stamps that takes more than normal
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Still haven't changed my mind
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Right because you’re not swayed by technical realities. This is a religious fight to you
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we doing it in btc, so we move on?
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or trying to chase them away with a $2 fee.. what is that $2 going to help?
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going to parse the block faster?
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Anything bc also they are burned if was used for other thing could help to pay devs and infra but how is burned just help bagholders
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🤷🏻♂️ the current rules of CP allow it, just like numerics, so maybe it’s not abuse🤷🏻♂️
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Sir, can you explain how the fees will optimize the code? I gotta be missing something here..
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Numerics doesn't make the counterparty protocol lag BTNS does this is the big difference and both of them brokes exchain
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I need the science!
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Troll question -
No because I have no financial interest if/if not fee is added.
I believe that if u want to spam 10k pfp projects using CP assets you should have xcp associated fees like normal assets.
I have heard why you used numerics, free, you had no money for infrastructure
I have seen you admit what your claims to be false, but is advertising
I believe, that if you want to make as many assets and more, and devalue the 10 year history of assets made, then at least pay the xcp fee.
I believe that the fee should be implemented and was consensus prior to recent events
I have read the chats, and your clan have not acted in a respectful work alongside manner
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There's a poll of $xcp fee bag holders... -
not at all, how is a $2 fee going to stop anything? I was paying $600 fee's last bull run and didn't care
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It's not a fee. It's community sacrifice
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a sacrifice isn't going to make blocks parse faster
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Ok
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I’m in violent agreement
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who;s the troll here?
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xcp fee burned does nothing in long term viablity
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I dunno who you are but there's no need to be a twat, I'm asking honest questions
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It wasn't honest. That's why I spoke up
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its 100% honest, I'm not understanding how this will help.
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and not one person has given me an answer
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I’m not of the opinion stamps will fizzle out. We are working hard to make it as successful as possible.
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You know the answer, that's obvious. It's a fallacy
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lol, I haven't been awake long enough to be in a discord chat.
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Is the murder weapon where you left it?
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You can look at it another way.
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It doesn’t make much sense, and when they realize the fun of names, XCP will be in high demand
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If you ask Mike if he prefers named or not, he would probably say named
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@jp_janssen what do you disagree with here?
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Feel like there needs to be a generative ai bot just continuing this circular convo here. So much easier
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Named certainly have their value and I’ve utilized them in many projects: Phockheads, Rare Shadilay, Punycodes, Drooling Apes… Stamps is a different thing where emphasis on the name wasn’t necessary and, in fact, would cause “analysis paralysis” as well as the other frictions that have been endlessly discussed. Removing friction was the #1 priority.
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Yup, not sure anything of value being added at this point. I’d probably do myself a favour by leaving.
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Is quite sad to see, that CP and Stamps devs are working to put solutions to all the issues detected, plus to develope CIPs that where written but not implemented in many years.
And people here that claims that are protecting CP dont want to see It, even do they have reade It over and over again... I wander why not many devs are talking here.
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You want no fee
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I wonder should 'anti spam' fees should be removed
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Instead yall here trying to convince the people that do want fee
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Fat finger lol. I meant thumbs up -
Dividends n sweep anti spam fee
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This is a retconned narrative. The controversy at the time was src20 that got migrated off cp. JDog has not been yelling for “10 months” to put a fee on numerics.
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So your love for no fee shows, at least admit it
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Bro, this is the best spot CP has ever been. We have the founder back coding, looney, JP, Shannon, this shits awesome tbh lol
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I agree
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word
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Exciting times, not sure why we still fighting for 0.5$
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they do .. subassets are named and numeric
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Cuz you get a scarce name. It’s an anti-squat mechanism
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By putting a fee on numerics it’s like saying named assets have no value above a random string
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Seems like that makes sense and community wants it too. I think both will pay the fee eventually
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It doesn’t matter what we say here lol
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Is that why the consensus was half that of named asset fee?
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A sentiment poll on behalf of the “community” using counterparty logo to confer “officialness” is not “consensus”. I’d call it Astro-turf.
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I'm talking about when the maintainers position was yes fee ser
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How you view consensus
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I’m not them. They can speak to their own motivations
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U seem to be speaking alot as to why no fee
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I speak as an individual and long-standing member and creator within the cp community.
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Do you know so far, the argument against? Because I know why you want the fee..
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Didn’t the devs say database optimization is the real issue?
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So when it suits narrative, yes, when u have no answer, not me lol
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Has any stampers donated for the beloved freewallet/xchain?
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Or they never cared?
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By the way I just did some calculations. If the > 60k art stamps has done the 0.1 fee. That would have increase the market cap Up to 0.0023%...
The funny thing IS.
1° that this measure its not going to prevent spam
2° its not going to help to maintain infratructure or incentive development
3° Its not going to pump your bags.
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What does that have to do with database optimization?
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Just shows as clearly as they state, here for a free ride regardless the effects
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Getting us a new shiny toy lol
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Welcome to post office coin
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Still 10 minutes lol
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Again you confuse services with a protocol. We write messages to the Bitcoin blockchain. That’s all. Early on donations were made, then the src20 hysteria caused JDog to send those donations back. Given the current hostility towards stamps community I’m sceptical of further donations to this particular service.
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I confuse nothing, you had no funds/brains to be btc only play, u used CP and surrounding infra that we all use to the point of collapse
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Anyone can buy XCP at the same price for basically the last 10 years so most of us feel like our bags will never pump lol
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Yh leaders left during ATH
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But I think there should be an xcp burn out of respect, not bag value
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This should really concern you. The fragility of what you are reliant on if it collapses at the slightest amount of “usage”
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We can keep going round in circles, seems like things are been done on CP side, and now you can donate to help with costs on FRW/Xchain, doesn't swade my decision that I think we should have an xcp free on numerics
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You are free to fork off at any time. That's how this works. No one is forced to run a ruleset they don't agree with
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I thought this (CP) was all something different than it is.
I was wrong... I can openly admit that
This is survival of the fittest...
I'm used to that... unfortunately
I have to go make sure my project is fit enough to survive in this environment.
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Lol, nah if this continues you keep post office coin to yourself, if I'm minting 10k pfp projects I may as well go to eth
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well I'm glad you just came out and said it. It's really about not wanting "usage" at all. 10K PFP projects are well within the scope of "NFTs" and to be a platform that turns up its nose to such a popular usecase explains alot about the platform's current predicament.
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10k pfp projects that pay no fee to be clear
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I've said it a few times now lol
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U like to go round in circles with your logic
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this whole room does.
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You agree to use the fee to cover infraestructure, pay New developments, market Counterparty or nah... Just Burn It?
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Just to be 100% clear here
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Either, personal preference burn but happy with either
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You think no fee to be clear?
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Woow Im glad to know this. Didnt think you tought this way.
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The xcp we use to create assets gets burned, I came here to do like has been done
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1° Current scenario where devs are focusing on solve scalability and descentralization problems in CP.
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Well as far as I recall they are free, they allways been
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? Please digest?
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Another circle?
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Plus you didn't answer so....
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Shall we troll or speak honestly
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I like to speak honestly, I´ve to go out. But I´ll be back in 20 mins
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But I have express here my pov before
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U think no fee religiously?
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will share it later
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Yes/no will do
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Tbh I don’t give a fuck about fee or no fee, I’m just happy shits getting done
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I like the fee idea, paid in btc (at least for the end user). And used in the major % fro infra, grants and education. And maybe some minnor ammount to burn to reward long term holders. But once main issues are solve.
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Xcp fee, yes/no
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Not conditional
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with all the respect sir, but without conditionals I say no.
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Well with out conditionals I say yes
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its an anti-squat mechanism. Its just not appropriate. You keep asking, "can I use this hammer to change this light bulb?" and we're saying that's not a good idea...
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Bla bla bla, replying to a yes/no question with a paragraph
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More of same repetitiveness
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But please continue to try
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I defer to the devs who understand the challenges and scaling solutions.
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So your gonna stay quiet? I doubt so
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I feel the community is divided kek. Maybe that's why it keeps going around in circles.
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I do agree. More important things to do. Later.
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To me the only reason I understand adding the fees is everyone's personal choice between if they should or not from a personal understanding of counterparty.
In terms of "spam" I think is useless, apart from the fact that it could be made transparent to the 10k mint users by the minting services (re:"spam" - the "10k mints" assets are completely valid assets in every sense, the only difference with the majority named assets is they have json data instead of an exterrnal URL, both can do both obvs), is the fact that what was being hit wasn't counterparty, was xchain. In terms of protocol there wasn't issues, but new use cases that we may want to embrace or not.
An ¿8GB? database that gets updated once every 10 minutes block shouldn't be the reason (I know is not as simple as that, but database size and management looks like has been the real big issue) to be afraid or blocking all us to grow (How many counterparty vs ordinals assets do exist...?). Should counterparty seek and face improvements in the overall infraestructure (both for the protocol and ecosystem), as to not rely in a closed single explorer, to have more and open source explorers, wallets, etc... Please yes. I think the fork has pushed this further, in terms of active people working on/to/for counterparty is more active than I've ever seen (even founders and original deverlopers are around), it was bigly in part thanks to STAMPs, is now even more due to the xchain fork.
There's also the fact that if the biggest problem for xchain were those 10k PFP minting, lets not forget that BTNS caused the same. And as I'm happy to see src20 currently working out of counterparty, I don't see the need of BTNS either.
I voted no because I don't personally see the need neither feel that numericals should pay a fee, I don't consider them equal assets, named assets are limited, you are paying to own a unique name in a limited namespace. Plus I also believe that STAMPs, that undenniably has been the thing with biggest traction in counterparty in the last 3 years, happened precisely because of the lack of friction with XCP. I consider STAMPs net positive, they have brought attention, builders, artists, collectors, tools, explorers and liquidity.
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Completely agree, but I was compiling that unsmokable piece of text, was not gonna leave it unposted
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😂
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I'm glad to have been using CP assets instead of ordinals,eth and any other platforms that come/go
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I say respectful to add fee on numerics
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The vote is also a good thing, shows what the commons/xcp holders/projects think
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Cool we weren’t sure what you thought
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It seems so, people still asking
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+1 to this
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What is your official position fee/no fee? I've only seen flip/flop
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Any asset can have a json data attached
know xchain also hash to refresh those jsons for all assets all the time as the jsons can and do change, only ipfs ones can't -
iknow most people don't change their jsons .. but some jsons change over time .. but which ones? like pokemons gotta catch em all
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stamps are nice as the 721 data won't change
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I stopped yelling cuz no one seemed to care…. N asked for leaders I trust to step up🤷🏻♂️
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Gm 🐑
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This guy gets it
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Disclaimer: I usually don't get anything
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Who am I to tell Adam, Joe, JP and Shannon what’s best technically for the CP network.
I want to be on team JDog lol
And everyone but Adam is Jdogs hand selected team lmao
Great choices, love it -
A stopped clock is right twice a day 🐸
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No not team, not technicalities, all trolling and BS aside, if you was behind a curtain and had to press yes fee or nofee, what would you press
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No the devs have technical solutions and we need battle test the protocol
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If devs didn’t, yes
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Was gonna say flip flop answer, but you answered politically then personally
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I respect those that vote no also, when not demanding/trolling/Bs-ing etc
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I’m allowed to change my position as the situation pans out while learning new info, situations change so do opinions sometimes
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See alot of let's shit on CP just because
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And frw/xchain etc etc
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if I say, yess with not conditions. And we just focus on putting a fee, we´ll have this conversation again in 2-6 months. As the issue will persist... not sure why is so difficult to understand this.
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We’ve been waiting for a fee on your shit for 9+ months🤷🏻♂️
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welcome to my pain… sit in it… you’re gonna be here a while, buddy… just like I was
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But as the fee it´s not going to solve the db problem, even putting it it won´t stop what you call spamming... so what for?
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Love circles
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Fees because ‘just because’
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Fees because fuk your feelings
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You guys have had months to make a FEESGOODMAN and totally blew it.
Bet I can still register -
Good one
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U slept on SHITTERFULL
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Gonna put Mikes face on Eddie with stamps coming out of hose 🤣
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That one isn’t really good
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Ya just for the keks
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great question:
https://time.graphics/line/858561Counterparty Historic NFT Timeline - TimelineAll events are represented on the interactive timeline and can be visualized. You can review all the cause-and-effect relations of timeline
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Gimp in Space been silenced yet?
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Nice volume on xcp dispenses looks like frens accepting future fees then?
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i vote no fees on xcp period but ill take what i can get ;)
overall i believe all infrastructure’s power and innovation on efficiency and performance should be pushed to the edge long term.
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i keep seeing Mike and those guys speak about broadcasts and adding a fee to those.... though, I don't see anywhere in the github for a professional and 'by the book' Counterparty Improvement Proposal on adding fees to broadcasts?
am I missing something here? if you truly keep bringing it up, why don't you point to a CIP?
kinda seems like you guys love to bring it up, but are not even 1% serious to bring it to the table and have dev's discuss it and the place you are supposed to.....
on the OTHER hand, all discussions on the database data restructuring, fee for numerics, possible fee in bitcoin, pbst and so many others are on there....
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CounterpartyXCP/cips · Discussions
Explore the GitHub Discussions forum for CounterpartyXCP cips. Discuss code, ask questions & collaborate with the developer community.
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Oh my God!!! you guys see the potential to abuse counterparty through broadcasts?!?
Sounds like you guys should bring it up with the devs, start writing some simple code to add the fee, and rally your community and counterpart behind that fee…. Though going to be pretty tough since it’s not causing any problems to counterparty currently. 😜 -
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And I already said, I support a fee on broadcast if they became a problem.
So good luck painting me as a bad guy who doesn’t want broadcast limited when I said, I’m already open to it🤷🏻♂️ -
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But I for sure think we should sit around for nine months or more and debate it…. I mean BTNS has a lot of potential…. It’s an open fair mint system as well.
Sure would be a shame to show favoritism to one open fair mint system over another one that just happens to be brought to the table by a rogue developer🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Same rogue developer who showed patience for 9 months while you shit in the sink .
As I said , I had a plan, I executed it, and now I can speak my truth, and call out all the bullshit arguments statements that are coming from people I disagree with🤷🏻♂️ -
and im just sitting here seeing DerpHerpenstein draft a CIP for PBST
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PSBT API support · CounterpartyXCP/cips · Discussion #131
CIP: XXX Title: PSBT API Support Author: Derp Herpenstein Discussions-To: ?? Status: Draft Type: ?? Created: 2024-1-12 Abstract Add the option to return transactions as PSBTs in the API Rationale C...
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Sidenote… I think SRC 721s are really cool…. I disagree with the spamming of numerics… but I for sure think that this is how you should do 10k PFP collections, if you want to do them on counterparty…. Just want them to pay the XCP fee, everyone else pays, and then we’re back on the same page, cooperating, working together, and drama goes away.
Or ignore the issue.🤷🏻♂️
While I got much love for the core devs still, I don’t envy their position.🤷🏻♂️ - 14 January 2024 (370 messages)
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Wanna get the last missing piece before I cast my XCP vote.
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From my perspective, which may be wrong, numeric assets were added to counterparty, to allow people to try out counterparty and its features, without requiring a xcp “shitcoin”.
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Can the founders confirm this? If this is the case, then to me they're being used not as intended. If the main reason of designing a separate free naming standard just for "demo" then it's a very important point and would settle it for me, regardless whether it prevents spam or not.
It could have been 1 standard with fees and we probably wouldn't be having this convo.
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I was always led to believe they were to work as high use serialized units and not free 'testnet on mainnet' assets
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The original thesis was stock market and shares type usage and not art tokens
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Aha I see, makes sense.
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https://forums.counterparty.io/t/numeric-assets-sub-assets-and-unique-descriptions/1713
https://forums.counterparty.io/t/fee-on-numeric-assets/6601
https://forums.counterparty.io/t/xcp-fee-on-numeric-assets/2445
https://forums.counterparty.io/t/some-true-statements-about-assets-alphabetic-numeric-sub/2684
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They also say bitcoin wasn't designed for jpegs?
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I'll take a look
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the fact that numerics begin with an "A" has ALWAYS been in contention in the community too
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CIP Proposal - Open the 'A' Namespace
This thread is about a potential CIP that would allow for non-numeric ‘A’ asset names. I have some code that I think covers most of it here, for review and feedback: Result: Non-numeric asset names starting with ‘A’ are valid. Check that assets are numeric rather than “Starts with ‘A’” Todos: Testnet tx fixture for parsing.
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Telegraph lines were not created for voice transmission
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subassets too!
https://forums.counterparty.io/t/subassets-a-proposal/1690Subassets - A ProposalHere’s a proposal on how subassets may be implemented. This is just a first draft. I’m sure there are better ways, just want to start the debate. Let’s define ASSET as an alphabetic asset issued with the current naming rules,e.g. MYASSET. Let’s define SUBASSET as an asset with name on format [ASSET NAME]-[EXTENSION], e.g. MYASSET-ONE. To issue a SUBASSET you must be the current owner of [ASSET NAME], e.g. only the owner of MYASSET can issue MYASSET-ONE. There is no XCP fee for issuing a SUBASS...
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Not mocking, but even phonelines were not created for TCP/IP
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i thought it was designed to put the KJV translation of the bible in btx tx memos?
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