There are people that are building infrastructure for stamps

I would love to keep numerics free

they will eventually dry up they always do

temporary pain

I posted this too .. he comments on numerics

and since they used the -existing- rules, the infrastructure functionality depends on them being free

great im glad we all agree

So what’s the limit then. OP_Return is limited in size. You can’t sit here and tell me that we can create an infinite amount of stamps and it’ll be okay.

you are limited by 1 block every 10 minutes

this is the way it has always been

So stamps pay 10,000 BTC tx fees to mint 10k stamps?

that would be wild

Somehow I doubt that’s true

my vote states put the fee in

seems you cant even agree with yourself

Exactly. Theres spam prevention on the BTC chain. But not on the protocol they are using.

"Counterparty as a protocol for peer-to-peer finance does support using Bitcoin wherever possible you can for instance create a new token without spending any xcp."

weird state to be in

There isn’t a tx fee coupon

btc is spam prevention on counterparty implicitly

u guys did a good job the kayfabe is next level kek

Doesn’t sound like anyone even knows how stamps work honestly, nor even what the upper limit on their creation is. All we know is some of the xcp rails already broke, and who knows what goes next. All the while the stamp stans will be screaming they have a right to do this

What's wild is that they already cost more than 4x as much as ordinals

I’ll wait for someone to tell me what the upper limit is on stamps before xcp itself breaks. And no one seems to know - or care.

STAMPs storage mechanism is the most expensive storage in bitcoin until somebody proves the contrary

Don’t worry K, you’ll be able to sell your Pepe’s

The fairest compared to ordinals

Cause the pay the whole bitcoin fee to be stored

If you can honestly explain to me how infinite amounts of stamps can be created and never interfere with named XCP assets, then sure - I’ll be willing to listen. But as it is, named assets are now secondary citizens on the protocol that they paid to exist on

there is no limit

yes we know how stamps work

rails, are private infrastructure, of which there are people in the stamps community that have already built and are building more infrastructure

LMAO no, counterparty main value continue being a unique limited spacename. Numericals are far from being limited

explain to me how infinite amounts of bitcoin txs can be created and not interfere with other bitcoins already mined

Why should named assets pay when numerics don’t? Remove all XCP fees and delete the token then. If stamps aren’t spam, then nothing is. If the number of possible named assets runs out that’s okay - we will just all move to numerics it seems

So you haven’t even researched the inverse of your opinion, noted.

this is nonsensical, as is your comment

They forgot to sacrifice. They paid miners

xcp and bitcoin ect are a tool, you can use them how you want, you can screeam that they are using it wrong, if you want

Counterparty has zero fees

Going directly to the bribe while skipping church service, that would be a point I could understand 😁

Sacrifice is required

A mistake that has haunted it since inception. Why does BTC have fees? What would happen if BTC tx fees were removed

The network would stop

Or let’s take a different example, something that doesn’t require proof of work - What would happen if Ethereum removed tx fees entirely.

demand .. btc was once free to send if >=1.0BTC

Don’t care

“I choose to reject evidence that shows I’m wrong”

I'd see ethereum removed entirely. That would be dank. It's coming

Counterparty doesn't have miners but node runners who only read the chain, they haven't ever been rewarded, neither anyhow by XCP

If Counterparty had fees and XCP holders could earn those fees, it would be a vibrant community full of projects and would likely be a network worth hundreds of billions by now. But because BTC maxis didn’t want to dare create anything that might challenge the value of their bags / they crippled their token intentionally, then abandoned it

Xcp is a mind fuk. Just deal with it

the only benefit for pumping XCP is the benefit for XCP holders and to bring more degens cause the price go up. Then you will complain about degens

can anyone here tell me how many miners needed to signal segwit prior to that bitcoin upgrade?

I can see how you haven't been here since 2016

- every BTC maxi since 2017. Sure grandma, let’s get you to bed

What annoys me is people go missing for years on end, all of sudden find out some tokens they hold are valuable, come back and all of sudden have a loud voice for what’s best for XCP.

i’ll give you a hint, it was > 90%

THIS

the UASF

you look beautiful today than the last time I saw ur bodyguard posture pfp what happened?

sir that was segwit2x, segwit activated prior to that

95% is the answer

Admin please pin

Those same people would have been spending energy and creativity in the xcp ecosystem if there was a compelling financial system underlying it that incentivized development. What annoys me is the one guy who WAS supporting this chain benevolently for years is ignored and treated poorly by those who haven’t done nearly as much as him. The only way to interact with xcp for the past seven years has been benevolently because other chains have leapfrogged it

and important to note, that 95% was not a vote but miners signalling that their nodes were ready to upgrade

I recall a website with lots of green squares showing the blocks now I think about it

katie this is insulting to everyone else thats been here for 10 years

Mysterious aesthetic gets a pass, because he’s built shit and I have a lot of respect for him. It bewilders me you’re on the side of the stamp people but so be it

It's not about money, you fundamentally misunderstand the foundation of Counterparty as do most. It's about the end of money

POWER

Not talking to you.

are you saying adam has a shitload of xcp?

because they’re counterparty users

End of the rigged system

I think he was refering to Kathie

The person who found the BTC duplication glitch was a BTC user

Literally you cannot put as many stamps as you want on a block is limited by 2 factor sigops(80000) and block size(1mb)

😂

is that why bitcoin doesnt work anymore?

100% different

They put in a fix to stop the abuse. I’m glad we agree we need a fix

turns out there is no abuse and no fix is needed

So it all comes down to BTC tx fees then? And stamps and XCP users both would be bidding the same fees to be noticed and included?

always has

do we pay xcp fees to send assets?

to do dex trades?

to buy from dispensers?

XCP was actually referred to as an anti-spam mechanism pretty early on by Adam, probably even before this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.msg8142280#msg8142280

Its used in the creation of an asset, a numeric is an asset, ergo...

I’d guess the value of XCP Adam holds has practically zero impact on his net worth

The dude launched the fairest ALT in history and could have easily filled his pockets instead

I somehow doubt that most of
The BTC maxis and devs would be preaching this level of “faux enlightenment” if they didn’t have massive bags. I wish every BTC dev and baggie would go work a minimum wage job for 12 months, wash some dishes again, sweep some floors - then let them come back and preach about “the end of money”. Such self righteous objectivity is a luxury most humans don’t get to afford. And it’s quite laughable when their each have a net worth in excess of 1000 bitcoins.

If the unnamed assets are bloating and spamming and they're just for testing then limit the allotment of tests. Delete it and start over also. Kek

you guys need to look at this in the context of how it affects the network as a whole, you can be philosophically opposed to something thats been in the protocol for 10 years but would you maintain that its so important that a fork is necessary so that you remain on the righteous branch?

Thank you for that

yes like i said it evolved

Just because he altruistically launched a game doesn’t make it a flawless game immune from criticism. Yes if we were all rich like Adam then our motivations would be different. But most people are not rich - a system has to cater to the greedy and self interested rational actors to work in the real world

Good I’m glad we can agree that xcp should evolve

Now - we need to evolve that XCP fee for numerics

sometimes we dont always get our way

i was philosophically opposed to subassets being part of the protocol

we bastardized numerics to get them, its a bad implementation imo

i even wrote a method for doing it outside of the protocol

but you know what?

i lost

This 🤣

and i accepted it

and i moved on

because it wasnt so important that i would risk a fork

subassets pay a fee tho

jfc

I am prepared that XCP might not go in the direction i want it to. If that happens i will be grudgingly still use it, but will likely spend any creative energies i have elsewhere. Others may feel the same. What im arguing for is i would like to see a protocol that shows it cares about its own future instead of just being a legacy thats maintained only for historical reasons.

Though i suspect BTC will eventually become the same as well

Once BTC fees eclipse the block reward, bitcoin will become a legacy chain that only exists for historical reasons

Have fun losing

i have more incentive than most to ensure counterparty succeeds in the long run, and it will

You are like a *this* crossbow i swear. Yes, exactly

have a great MLK day everyone

Least bratty stamps user. As you can see, they don’t care about the protocol or long term anything. They want their tribe to win, and they represent the rational actor who will abuse the shit out of something to make a buck. They won’t be the last

I don't stamp

has happened on many blocks n the world did not end

Eth will merge with xrp to be the world banks cbdc. Then it's going to zero

You'll comply

Bitcoin is an open protocol anyone can use as they wish, Counterparty is too thanks to free numerics

Ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, today I stand before you to share a vision, a dream deeply rooted in the revolutionary spirit of blockchain technology.

I have a dream that one day, on the digital plains of Counterparty, every asset, regardless of its nature or origin, will be valued equally, contributing to a thriving, equitable blockchain ecosystem. This is a dream of fairness, where each asset, each token, pays its fair share, strengthening the fabric of our digital society.

I have a dream that Counterparty, this powerful BTC asset layer, will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: to offer a decentralized platform where every token, every asset, stands shoulder to shoulder in unity and strength.

I have a dream that one day, the holders of XCP, the core token of Counterparty, will be able to say with pride and confidence that their faith and investment have borne fruit, not just for themselves, but for the entire blockchain community.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day, all assets – be they tokens of art, of utility, or of promise – will be united under the banner of Counterparty, forming an unbreakable chain of progress and innovation.

This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the blockchain with.

With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair, a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our blockchain into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood.

So let freedom ring from the mighty servers of Counterparty. Let freedom ring from the code of each smart contract. Let freedom ring from every byte and bit of our blockchain!

And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, stamps and named asset users, Jews and Gentiles, rare pepes and common ones, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old spiritual, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank Satoshi Almighty, we are free at last!"

all tokens are not valued equally

saying words does create facts

If we simply added a small anti-spam fee for new genders then yes, people would be able to create new genders, but also we wouldn’t be so flooded with them that nothing made sense anymore

the art is the token

stamps guys - a124gfy111333444777777111111 is art bro

If xcp holders build a mechnism that makes regsitering named assets possible in one TX, I think people will use it. The trouble of buying xcp, then buying a named asset is REKT and it is the main reason it is not used.

with stamps the art lives in the utxo that created the token , that is not true for most non stamps

its not because of "free" I dont think people give a fuck about 1-10$ extra, they give a fuck about it being a pain in the ass and horrible UX

Also the idea that someone in 2016 spent fifty cents in xcp and now owns REKT forever is a pretty huge protocol flaw, and you’re silly if you don’t think that’s true .

they literally don't understand any of it hahaha

How much XCP do you own?

The lower the friction, the higher the liquidity

Got REKT in 2017 by buying 1% of the supply at like $40 each. Ended up selling it in 2019 to buy ramen with and pay rent

I should never have invested in a token that refuses to invest in itself. My mistake thinking that the quality of intellect and creativity in an ecosystem automatically translated to its value as a token. Meanwhile Ethereum was being ridiculed by the XCP community at 60 cents each, and i joined in the laughter. I think the core difference is they had their BTC bags to fall back on

So none?

With more users, including stamp users, it should flow into more people using the xcp token, however, if there is an adversaral approach, this bridge can be burned

It's proposed I believe

It doesnt need a proposal it needs someone to build it, I can not build it

I can map it out

As in its built or wants to be but is not implemented

Also

According to jdog space

an indexer that indexs named assets, think someone is working on or it exists

The thing is XCP is a true utility token, in every sense of the term. Initially, everybody got them through the exact same way. So its near impossible to pump. Way moreso than BTC, even.

been n gone n back again

So you sold a bunch of Pepe’s for a bunch of money recently, still selling, came here to confess your love for XCP but have bought 0 XCP since selling those said valuable Pepe’s?

be fun to see pepe.wtf use xcp as its default value display

Im all for dispenser price

dispensers only accept btc

Why is that a problem?

There is so much friction for new users to get xcp, that extra step is the issue

it's not a problem

Till the point that the two biggest events in counterparty for adoption in the last years were Emblem Vault (ETHEREUM) and STAMPs (NO XCP FEE)

True

one click named asset mint, is the key

FACTS

oh so easy to do too

There is an auction today

instead of bitching , I propose BIDDING

Many named assets

and even some stamps too

Everyone should bid in xcp

Convenient

No, someone accidentally sent me like $500 in counterparty six months ago. In return I sent him a basilisk tho, so fairly traded

I no idea what an xcp costs these days, I just use it as n when the mood takes me

Why would i buy a token that has no interest in increasing or even maintaining its own value? I am not wealthy enough to own things benevolently yet, maybe one day. Until then i need to aim to own systems that encourage rational actors. This isn’t a fucking church

Few shillings

XCP should fork, and all named assets should convert to a numeric asset unless a small recurring annual fee is paid in XCP. Now that would be fair. And then yes, no fees for numeric

How about that CIP

So why are you coming here spreading gospel for a coin you barely own only by luck and have no desire to own apparently.

this is called namecoin

Named assets shouldn’t be registered forever - a simple change i think we all can agree on.

again namecoin

Look how that(namecoin) ended up lmfao

Because it forms the backbone for some of the earliest nfts in history - of which i happen to be the creator of some.

So it’s future is actually rather important to me, and since I’m already paying attention it sure would be great if xcp decided to actually try to become a full featured asset layer that incentivizes users to trade for, and own, its own base token. Otherwise why would someone use the xcp dex to acquire more xcp?

The dex only works if XCP is a token that’s actually desirable.

How many NFTs do you have for sale on the dex?

No, the things for sale on the Dex have to be desirable

Because she found her Rare Pepe now had demand, so she came to shill and sell. But in her opinion the co founders coming back to code and contribute is oportunistic LOL

Why would i sell nfts for a highly illiquid coin that has no utility and that has no interest in becoming more valuable?

Now you’re getting it

With the exception of mysterious aesthetic, when i came back to counterparty every single tool i used was authored and maintained by jdog

when did you came back? december?

and in two months there are wallets and explorers in the build

that's amazing

Yes, the dex should work entirely on BTC and XCP should be abolished. Good talk. Your argument reduced to silliness

The dex does not work if the core financial unit isn’t desirable. The NASDAQ market does not function if no one wants US Dollars.

I love JPJAs tools, n rpw & rarepepewallet are so cool, you should try em out sometime they fun

*every single tool YOU USED

It’s just pointless worrying about xcp(the token)s value and this chat isn’t the place for that kind of speculation anyway

hopefully when Counterblock is back we will see explosion of new tools

The main XCP block explorer recently temporarily collapsed because the XCP token refuses to accrue any value.

So you hold basically zero XCP, have no desire to acquire more XCP, but want to tell everyone how XCP should be used.

kek

Stamps community doesn’t know how to refute or argue the core point - they simply can restate their flawed positions louder and when that doesn’t work they will go on the personal attack and team up to ad hominem you until you’re too exhausted from personal attacks to continue. It really has no place here. Argue the core point, do not attack other users.

I know that’s a challenge for the stamp stans, but please try to remember it

I'm in counterparty community and stamps community

Again, you don’t have a core argument - so you resort to personal attacks

stamps stans are counterparty stans

I have one of the largest wallets of art by number of assets in both

ser gift her a karen she deserves it i can pay for it to gift her

I stated facts.

Again, because stamp users think that math and protocol doesn’t matter, they believe that all arguments come back to “who they are” and insulting you. It’s the most toxic form of argument.

Please refrain from personal attacks and try to focus on why stamps should be allowed to use xcp 1000x more than named assets without ever paying an xcp fee, while xcp users and maintainers should have to spend actual $$$ to support them

Why don't you make your own op_return prefix if you dislike this one so much ?

KARENPARTY prefix is free

Is the economic thesis of counterparty that it must be used and maintained benevolently in order to continue to exist? Does that make for a censorship resistant and decentralized protocol?

How is gonna XCP help me maintain my node or my projects?

How does ETH help etherscan dot io to continue to run??? Think on that

I'm not expecting it to do it, that's what I mean

But looks like somehow that's the reasoning under the fee

They have traffic and advertising their business model isn’t funded by ETH

Obviously you don’t care about xcp, so long as others pay to support your projects while you give them nothing and continue to spam counterparty relentlessly. That’s the entire point, it’s like BTC without a tx fee. Of course no one’s going to secure the chain or care about it in such a scenario

I'm just saying that at this point I still haven't seen any argument beyond somebody thinking numerical assets should pay fee (personal opinion, but that's not a real reason)

Then why don’t they run a counterparty explorer instead? Why do they run an ETH one

Because without the arbitrary eth burn to satisfy "ultra sound money folks" then there is no etherscan cause there is no eth value. This is why every eth transaction costs more than it should arbitrarily burning an extra amount. It brought investors, a funded foundation, etc all of it

They did

So I've been building, creating, collecting and contributing but I don't care about Counterparty?

@al_fernandz ignore the haters. We all know you care about Counterparty!

most stamps artists are also pepe artists

I still have the hope of Kathie debating from a non blocking point 😁

How much counterparty do you own? What block explorers and open source wallets do you run?

its almost like they’re all counterparty users

Why are you so passionate about this ?

I run one node currently

@hodlencoinfield yeah yeah yeah but wen moon

That’s what Katie is missing, a bunch of counterparty users wanted to stay with counterparty and not play with ordinals

Are you ok?

Gonna be my exact response next time a stamps user tries to attack my character for caring about counterparty.

This is xcp community, they are just making a different thing in the same place

But have you contributed, built, created or collected since 2017?

that venn diagram is just a circle

Probably will end up building and creating a lot more than you once you’re forced to pay a reasonably small fee for using the protocol. If i could create Ethereum nfts for free I’d go wild on that opportunity as well.

LOL WTF JOE

check out thewojakway.com

pure gold over there

good grief the hits keep on coming!

I would argue @al_fernandz pepe.wtf site has had one of the largest positive price impacts on XCP value over the past years as it allowed people to more easily see arbitrage opportunities between opensea and the DEx facilitating usage and price support for XCP

The core issue is whether a.) counterparty should be a self sufficient system with built in incentives that encourage artists and developers to spend their time and energy maintaining and expanding it or b.) a legacy system propped up by benevolence and centralized good will that doesn’t intend to grow or sustain itself

stamps has brought in more devs than any other counterparty project

yeahhh sorry Joe is just correct about this lol

there are more devs actively working to build on counterparty than ever before

we are at peak dev right now

Al, didn't realize you created pepe.wtf. Legend!

stamps has brought in more devs than any other counterparty project, so far

+1 for Al being a legend

the fact that .wtf has been normalized as an acceptable domain could only happen in crypto. Love it.

I will bet any amount of money you'd like that you will never build anything 1/10th as valuable as what @al_fernandz already has for Counterparty. You're the Dunning Kruger effect personified.

Stamps user: core argument isn’t working. Let’s resort to the personal attacks!

I own zero stamps

To me is funny that in US everybody pronounce as double-t-f while for me has always been what the fuck 😁

there's no 'argument' lol, this is a complete red herring. stamps is in-consensus. changing the protocol is what requires not just an argument, but economic consensus. it's really, really hard.

oh yeah, and it was tried less than a week ago lol.

https://counterparty.io/news/why-proof-of-burn/

"Why Proof-of-Burn"

"One of the most striking things about Counterparty is that its native cryptocurrency, XCP, was created and distributed by destroying bitcoins in a process known as “proof-of-burn”. All XCP that will ever exist were given out proportionally to those who recognized Counterparty’s value and were ready to “burn” their bitcoins to participate in Counterparty."

"By opting to distribute all XCP by proof-of-burn, the Counterparty developers eliminated any speculation that they planned to get rich quick or redistribute risk unequally. On the contrary, they put themselves in the same position as everyone else, backing their ideas with destroyed bitcoin to obtain XCP in the hope of eventually benefiting financially from their own project and hard work."

"Obtaining XCP through proof-of-burn is ultimately equivalent to mining bitcoins

If burning bitcoins for XCP still sounds strange, consider that Bitcoin miners also destroy one resource to get another. Miners use electricity (which is ultimately burning fuel) and receive newly minted Bitcoins in return for processing transactions and keeping the Bitcoin network secure. Those who burnt bitcoin to get Counterparty XCP coins did the exact same thing, except the resource they destroyed was not more fuel, but bitcoins. The result achieved was establishing Counterparty’s legitimacy, as we have already discussed.

In a very real sense, the original energy used to create those bitcoins was repurposed and used to create XCP."

BTC dupe glitch was in consensus as well. The DAO hack was also in consensus

I mean I don't know what to say to that, you're comparing three totally different things

It’s impossible to even debate the issues at hand because every time someone tries to argue about incentives and what should be done, people stomp their foot and scream “how dare you”. The strongest position in the room doesn’t need to resort to personal attacks every time it’s challenged

Hi guys please may I ask for your advice

What would be the ideal nft px size for a card and size in kb for xchain ?

the action taken after that created ETC wasn't

i mean i don't know how anyone who has sufficient willpower to read through the chat logs over the last few weeks could possibly argue that there hasn't been any debate about the numerics fee issue lol

Haven’t heard anyone bring up subscription fees yet !

Al definitely the man

the magic template is very popular

those are for postoffice coin

It seems like the ideal solution was to let XCP fork then, since the vision for stamps is different than the vision for what named assets want on the protocol. Seems logical there should essentially be two protocols then, and the named assets shouldn’t need to support the numerics. Maybe that’s the core issue is XCP is trying to do too many things at once and can’t even incentivize either of them properly.

'let XCP fork' is ungrammatical

forks are precisely unpermissioned

anyone can do it

please before fork it change the prefix

there are technical and economic reasons why it's incredibly destructive and those won out

There was a concerted effort to bring jdog back and prevent the fork from continuing, no? Lots of OGs wrote impassioned speeches about how wrong it was, no?

that's got nothing to do with coercion

again, the reasons not to fork are nuanced and technical

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/11/43/5f1143a666960e4769d2c6cc7457b549.jpg

joe Looney Bin

I agree. It was incredibly destructive in the short term for America to “fork” from Britain as well

lol

well, QED

Thank you for the help sir

In the long term it was realized they both wanted different things and it made sense to be allies instead of under the same government

i had no idea, that's cool

wasn't there also something about dumping tea into a harbor?

51% attack

Looks like it was a 49% attack

FYI... xchain poll statuses have been updated.

https://xchain.io/numeric-consensus

XCP Poll
- YES = 49,085.66192717 votes
- NO = 0 Votes

Project Polls (53 projects)
- YES = 14 Projects
- NO = 0 Projects

Telegram Community poll (easily manipulated)
- YES = 51%
- NO = 49%

Just a friendly status update on the "polls".... Certainly looks like the XCP Stake holders, and OG developers who have built projects on the platform are voicing their opinions. Spin it however you want, say this poll is not official or not needed, or rogue, or "this is not how consensus is done" etc. But, ignore the results at your own peril....

Everyone here seems concerned about not having another fork... IMO Here the community is speaking, loudly, you can continue to ignore if you want... but IMO, its clear there is desire for a fee on numerics, by many, not just me, and refusing to listen to those voices are most likely to result in the fork everyone wants to avoid... I wont be running the fork, but, perhaps someone else will... pretty easy to do now.

Anyway, the voting is all public, and if you refuse to listen to the XCP Stake holders and developres who have been here building projects for many years.... over one loud new project, that is fine... but the decision is not mine, it is clear the majority of the devs and ppl here building on CP want an XCP fee (my perspective)

Anyway... will slink back into the background now... properties are being handed off to Adam as promised... just posting an update here to let ppl know, projects been reaching out to me to ask me to update xchain to indicate their support for Numerics.... including the following projects :

- XChain
- FreeWallet
- ATOMO
- Mafia Wars
- Modern Relics
- Rude Relics
- The Pepe Project
- CrystalsCraft
- Diecast
- Spells of Genesis
- Skara
- Force of Will
- Gameicon
- Dank Directory

majority abstentions on first two polls then

yup... and respected devs coming down on my side too... so, maybe not crazy... or maybe so... up to core devs n community to decide 🙂

Thank you for your service 🙏

There is no side you wombat they just want you to include a fundamental feature of counterparty on your counterparty explorer

Fork it I’m ready

Let the degenerates eat themselves 🤣

Let’s go. Fork to XCPN (named assets) and XCPN (numeric assets). And let natural selection do the rest

Natural selection is a helluva RUG 🤣

ill scan your XCPNPRTY op return prefix

what about numeric assets inside collections?

XCPCN Series X

XCPCN is XCP CHina?

okay let me ask this - is there *any* fee that the stamps community would agree on as reasonable? No matter how small?

cause there are a lot of STAMPs collectors from China, just saying

if op_return like XCPNPRTY% > /dev/null

Imo is not about the amount, but about a part of the space not considering the other counterparty valid for some terms, "abuse", "spam", "oportunistic"

Chyyyna

ChynaParty

Why don’t people abuse and spam named assets?

I feel like GMoney and K would make a hell of a couple

we stamp them too

Xcp ++ 🤣

First keyburn stamp ever was named

SPENDME

A proposal on par with the original Bitcoin whitepaper; you’re welcome

we then made a 'bitcoin stamp' but only after named was done

we love counterparty ya see

Hell If stamps were a side chain that stored the entire nft inside of it and used XCP to point to its location on the side chain, securing an asset using Bitcoin but storing the asset data in a separate chain, I’d be euphoric for it right now

But then, it would be xcp++

Thinking I need to setup a xcp dex order 🤔

bob, it's called postoffice coin

What actual consensus looks like

Stamps are the xcp bcashers

I love how Jdog counted himself in there atleast twice lmfao

Proof of work

one vote for each project... just like shabane and his 5-6 projects

Wheres yours? Kek

I see 4x

i know people are trolling and i assume (hope) it's in good fun but to be clear, bitcoin cash hardforked from bitcoin, so the analogy doesn't really work.

Update with fee make them fork

Easy 🍿

the abstentions are making the most noise

Chyyyna abstentions 🤣

So a better analogy would be XCPJV for jdogs vision forking off XCP

The noise in itself is pointless as the devs involved in the handover don’t agree with you

noise to signal ratio is high

The funny thing is no one really owns that much XCP.

Largest individual holder only owns $200k at current prices.

Next in line is $100k

And it really starts diminishing to just $1ks very quickly

I think we all just like to troll each other

that's not really fair to jeremy. consensus is emergent; hard to game it out before. especially when the hardfork is activated and used < 24hrs after it is released.

This is why my vote changed from support to no confidence

To clarify the not agreeing is on how everything is going down. Not the fee itself.

Wouldn’t it be nice to have a token that people wanted to hold and trade things for.

https://xchain.io/asset/RAREPEPE

Sorry, never miss an oportunity to shill rare pepes

WTT 1 KEKSBASILISK FOR 1 RAREPEPE

https://xchain.io/asset/IHAVEADREAM

Token is the art

I respect your hope

WTT 1 NORAREPEPE FOR 1 RAREPEPE

I’ll be patient, no worries

pepe.wtf/asset/DASHPEPE Holders pie chart is borked

WTT 1 A1691691691691691 for 1 RAREPEPE

Counterparty data is KO, working on APIs 🫡

The future is stranger than you realize. By 2035 the value of 1 KEKSBASILISK will exceed 1 RAREPEPE.

I know that feeling

on the fork I had to disconnect from xchain APIs (thanks Jdog for all the data service during all this time ❤️ ), replaced the links to xcp.dev at that moment, now I have my own node and filling the gaps of all this to have counterparty data again for Counterparty assets (named, subassets and stamps)

Positive after all

awesome. btw did you see that juan will fill robby's bounty to get counterblock (and counterwallet) up-and-running again? https://gist.github.com/robby-dermody/85ca3125ee1ce96cf1e780f50819c976

Again, I know this channel is mostly for trolling but I figured some pertinent good news might be of interest to people

stop trying to make fetch happen

Quick question. Is a “stamp” just an asset with a base 64 string for the description?

yeah ... it has to be stamp:base64

but there's semantics to the base64 string too, yeah?

can be named or not upto you ..bitcoin stamps can't be named but named assets can be stamped

No, basilisks are very much already happening. Regardless of what I do. Good luck trying to get one for less than 0.1 BTC; likely impossible anywhere.

The one I’m trying to make happen is PEPEAMCANI. Now that’s a fetch. But I think i nailed the incentives on it pretty well - we’ll see if the market has the appetite though

Ok cool. I feel like if people are excited about storing data using this base 64 description it may be good to change some of my asset descriptions to this instead of image pointers

Creating a good distribution is a difficult game, but crucial. We’re getting there. I actually would list some on DEX if i thought anyone would buy. So far every purchase has been through Ethereum

Ought to do it as an experiment.

You could store image pointers in utxoset if you wanted to, Counterparty doesn't mind

if your urls are not long enough force that multisig

its not hard when you give em all away

Have raised over $10,000 in ETH for amcani in the past couple of weeks - hardly giving them away.

weird flex but okay

And now I am destroying one a day from the issuance address, until i get down to the 8 i will keep

You: posts blatantly untrue info
*gets corrected*
You: weird flex

wen named asset fake rare?

I didnt say you gave them away, I said giving them away is an easy way to get a good distro

*got corrected there*

Then my apologies

Also expensive at $20 a fucking tx

Though i know there’s some way to do dividends and bundle it

the only fair way to settle this dispute is by a duel as mentioned before to Space Mike. I challenged him but he ran away scared. The winner chooses the direction, we're either post office coin or a new and empowered XCP moving fw.

Haven’t done it yet myself but nice to have the option

MPMA pretty easy for sure

nice tool

How nice of you to sell them so cheap

its not that bad lol

I DEMAND… PROTOCOL BY COMBAT

Ironically they have no value until they are distributed well. If Satoshi owns all the bitcoins in the world, bitcoins are worthless

How many you own?

lol imagine everyone who voted yes on the poll was all in here making jdogs life pain and filled with drama saying how much they didnt want a fee

I kept 7 of the 144 (of the basilisks). I think that’s a fair amount for the creator to keep

i used to have ~1%, now almost 0, moved them all to rarepepes, when i shoulda sold it at 140k a couple years ago lol

i thought this was xcp talk

While funny, it's something that dooms the site which explains why US users say that. Even if it's subconsciously. Fuck is a weak word. You should change it. Unless wtf came to mean something other than what fuck, it's never gonna make it

Of the pepeamcanis i will end up keeping 8.

I think a creator (and any whale) should keep no more than 2 to 4% of their creation for ideal distribution

maybe we can vote to fork it to pepe.wth

Of course that’s not how you artificially moon an asset, but in a truly well designed infinite game i have found 4% seems to be the largest whale sweet spot. I can’t seem to find any good papers on this though - it should seem to be a solved problem in game theory, but maybe not

A deviation of the pirates treasure problem

I thought WTF was We Trade Frogs

I have a dream that one day people won’t just own xcp benevolently.

Now rare pepes, that’s an asset even a rational actor could get behind.

I don't like saying fuck out loud unless I really mean it.

Lol

wtf what the fuck .. like whatsappaning

This is good thinking

@al_fernandz you really should use this in your marketing

Twitter banner

need dex wallet on pepe.wtf

I got some javascript I had been working on ..awaiting counterblock to complete it before I open source it

For frog trading

but seems rpw does it without couterblock so am gonna look at it again very closely

I take back everything if it morphs to we trade frogs

It actually already worked on me

started a section for showing trades you can jump in with the cards you hold, that linked to the wallet would be 🤌

dex wallets makes sites very sticky I think 👍

i'm fine with a fight in the boxing / mma ring settling this... lol... give Mike n I a month to get into fighting shape again and i'm down.... celebrity death match crypto style (in seriousness, this is not how we should resolve things).... but if the community wants to see it get physical, in a stamps vs j-dog fight in a ring, i'm down... wont resolve anything, but Mike n I can punch on one another to get out feelings out... n community can enjoy watching whoever they support get beat up, or win.... pure entertainment.. ;p;

https://x.com/wasthatawolf/status/1746965484400947609?s=20

This would be gold

JDog vs Mike is the new Elon vs Zuk

If you read Elons biography, Jdog handled this exactly as Musk would of 😂

get xcp betting system up in time for it as well

he's a wizard

Even funnier, a horse with red eyes was in Musks book

Xcp auction system. Nardo marketplace. Physicals. Plz thx

Psyop

was thinking the Denver airport lol

kayfabe

We are finally discussing the things that matter!

Lol

Elon would have already forked Dogecoin if he understood what a blockchain even is. He has been insulated from his own incompetence for a long long time and that veil of PR finally lifted enough for the world to see.

Nothing was worse than the musk spam on Reddit in the late 2010’s.

If jdog would have handled this like Elon he would have called Mike a pedo already, and bought all of counterparty for $40 billion only to charge people fees to be able to see the chain, and then only through his proprietary app. Suffice it to say - unfair comparison

trade you for a JDOGPARTY 😂

You’re an idiot if you think Elon doesn’t understand blockchain

Have you read the book?

srsly Elon playing games with everyone lol

Elon's first mention of an NFT was 3/15 and a vid of 2:20 long lololol iykyk

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1371549960030842893?s=20

LOL

50% discount then

No wonder this chat is so heated…

It’s completely divided 😅

go back to solana bro

Wow good one

Question if I’ve blocked and muted GMONEY why do I still get his crappy playground messages? 🤷‍♂️

Kek

Ohhh another unofficial poll that doesn’t mean anything.

boomer lol

That’s how I picture you lol

Well a bit more of a stressed out version 😅

how we picture you

I’ve got him muted and blocked why do I have to see his messages still, it’s like being back in the playground

Too old for trolls like him 🧌

imagine being in his channel... phew no thanks

go back to stamps chat

That would be a living hell 🔥

a channel moderated by a troll

Noo typed such a nice message

As if I’m gonna listen to someone like you telling me what to do lol

exactly why we dont want vaxxed degens like you

i start copy the message before sending... is annoying being deleted all the times...

Wonder what word did I use that bot doesn't like

Hell yes

GMONEY the Counterparty gatekeeper hating on new Counterparty users since ‘22

I just call out shitcoiners for fun my project has onboarded many

order is up

on it

Lmao

Ok wait I have a plan

https://xchain.io/tx/9e38c5b5c9c1553811c3c0074b540ab304adac97a4bab768bbc187de8fc6a454

imagine trading a1111fyourmom233333777 for a111777fakeghey7788888 😂

https://twitter.com/CryptoFightWeek

I wanna see mike vs jdog in dubai