Wait, there's another chat?

Come back in 6 years and find out

yall are so trolly

lol only one block explorer is forked

and yes you are in the right place wheeler

do you guys remember when Bitcoin forked and we all got to sell the bitcoin cash and convert it to bicoin? does anyone have a tutorial on how to do that with our forked XCP and Pepes?

you only get to double spend your xcp under certain conditions its not like other forks, there is only 1 chain

Funny because he already knew.

You arrived the day after a contentious protocol fork. Shit is still up in the air.

im having too much fun

that's why we are here .. jpgs are fun .. but that shit gets forgotten at times

protocol didnt fork, none of your wallets forked, only xchain

damn, i thought i was about to be able to dump my pepe bag onto the big blockers

lol no

who is bitcoin jesus in this situation?

and who is satoshi

Not exactly true

explain

You’re not in that chat.

lol

now i dont give two fucks about being in this chat you speak of

Actually you are.

In the chat

ok im done

Don't worry, there is no fork of anything. simply the protocol run on bitcoin Opscripts, if you want a real fork just fork bitcoin first.

yes xchain just doesnt want to hold all the data, the more times go by the less worried i am

I simply see in this group many devs wanting to become millionaires without working or providing real solutions.or if they are not looking to become millionaires, they are just looking for glory by trying to create their own protocols and thus be the "first in something" .

i simply see all talk and no posts on github

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/discussions

FYI... figured you guys might appreciate some clarity on why fork and how to move forward... just sharing my opinion, reject it if you want.

Block 770000 = 1/1/2023

1/1/2023
---
121,795 Total Assets
99,450 Named Assets
8,940 Subassets
13,405 Numeric Assets

Currently
---
229,498 Total Assets
107,187 Named Assets
10,196 Subassets
112,115 Numeric Assets

sqlite> select count(*) from assets where block_index<=770000;
121795
sqlite> select count(*) from assets where asset_name not like 'A%' and block_index<=770000;
99450
sqlite> select count(*) from assets where asset_name like 'A%' and asset_longname is not null and block_index<=770000;
8940
sqlite> select count(*) from assets where asset_name like 'A%' and asset_longname is null and block_index<=770000;
13405

sqlite> select count(*) from assets;
229498
sqlite> select count(*) from assets where asset_name not like 'A%';
107187
sqlite> select count(*) from assets where asset_name like 'A%' and asset_longname is not null;
10196
sqlite> select count(*) from assets where asset_name like 'A%' and asset_longname is null;
112115

As you can see, 9+ years of stable growth on named assets and subassets which support platform with anti-spam fee

In 2023, the total number of assets on the platform doubled... and over 100K "free" numerics were spammed...

These numbers only take into account the total number of assets created numerics vs everything else... it doesn't even really address the TRUE size of bloating the database, which is counterparty stores the full base64 image data in a table that is required on almost every sql query join... thats a separate issue

While everyone is freaking out about fork and worrying about what it means... I think we should all ask how did we get here and what is the core issue, as that is how to best move forward IMO.

Core issue is should there be a fee on numeric assets... up to the community to decide... I think it is abuse and have taken my stand...

Others in the community who run projects on this platform should take time to review these numbers and forumulate and voice their opinions publicly...

You may disagree with the fork, but IMO only way out of this is clarity on what community wants, and community members who have a large stake in the project (developers who actually run projects on the chain) should have their views heard loudly at this critical time.

Core issue is xchain is not well designe so when there is a bunch of tx in a block it stops working

And you prefer fork the protocol than fixing it bc you are focused on btns now

core issue is that your pepedevs farm becomes dependent on other people's technology

xchain is whose intellectual property?

who owns xchain?

or is it opensource?

lets stop with fanning the flames... if xchain was so unstable, you wouldn't have been using it the past 9 months... whats done is done... i'm focused on moving forward... facts matter now... not he said she said drama... that is in the past

Can we make edits public here?

Nm. Not dev chat.

I totally agree that I shouldnt be using it as it is not opensource I'm fixing my errors and contributing in OpenSource solutions that replace the needing for anyone who comes after me to fall in the same error

Why not Open Source xchain?

xcp.dev

Dark reader is your friend until dark mode is enabled

One of the many issues is that the “community” is a bunch of people with varying stakes in the protocol all talking randomly in different telegram chats while the 3 or so core devs who write code and make changes discuss things on GitHub after skimming through hundreds of telegram messages. How does the community go on GitHub and say “we want this”

Might be technically true... but Freewallet doesn't work as before (numeric assets are not displayed anymore)

one way is through use of the counterparty protocol, in different supported ways

because FW simply uses the xchain API

to display info

you simply make a github account and engage in conversation there

make sure to do some research first though, before github.... info was posted here: forums.counterparty.io

Sure, this is the technical explanation. But this doesn't help.

try using freewallet to make a numeric - tell me what happens (it will be visible in xcp.dev which is linked to the xcp database)

but not visible on xchain

Yes that’s literally how to do it. What I mean is at what point is the community well represented? When 50 people make accounts and agree? When 1000 people make accounts and agree? To me the overarching issue is not the platform, it’s the methodology of confirming a consensus

how can you represent yourself if you dont join the official place for dev discussion?

and how can you be mad about the process you werent aware of till recently? CIP's started 8 years ago

My question is still not answered, but I will pose it there

I just want to see and manage my historical numeric assets with Freewallet and this is not possible anymore.

XCP Jesus paid for the servers so we could sin

…it’s Jerm Dog

if you have nuclear blast glasses you can look through the xcp.dev data

or spf 99999999

im trolling too much today im out

The shit devs put up with so you all can play memes…

this isnt the dev chat I got booted from that one

but where are the Devs? theres 3 havent seen any of them say anything in awhile what is there stance

Change your settings in Freewallet to a different API. Problem solved.

It’s probably not in line with the official stance, but I’m not official enough to say.

Which API?

Working on the different API at the moment replicating xchain API in a OpenSource one so please give us some time

Yours

Do you have one? The blue one?

Is working too on the opensource alternative ser

You will need to wait

This contentious fork was advised with 30+ days at the moment of the advise we start working to have the tools ready for that moment but jdog in the last moment change his mind bc of the fever he was suffering and pushed the fork with 20 blocks of margin, not enough time to have all this work done, also he knows all the damage potentially being caused and he still laughing on it, you can see how many he cares for the community

kinda like when he said

"hey guys i shouldnt be the only one with a usable XCP block explorer"

"hey guys you shouldnt rely on my API"

for the past 2 years

—-

fighting by slurring his image doesnt build nuthin

meming him into spongebob memes though.....

This is not what told me when I asked him about relaying on his apis

but you arent doing 10k requests in a minute

60 requests in a minute seems fine to me as a normal user

This is how it was setted

.... well now it is

When the rate limit was imposed without any prior advice and the queries started to fail start retrying each 0.5 seconds

I wasn't at home at that moment so I couldn stop it

sounds like the community is being forced to build not relying on jdog

that is great news

sucks alot of people and systems were hit, but its needed

Yes that is the good part

imagine xchain just went down entirely and no word from jdog

that would suck wouldnt it?

sounds like we should be prepared for that to be a possibility

and everyone seems to be taking that very seriously now

But that was achieved with the 30 days limit no was needed a fork for that

consider all of us lucky he gave warning at all

Ser this is a dictatorial behavior

so dont rely on it!

From a guy running infra yes but not opensource

xchain never been open source.....

And I think you don't really understand the real implications of a hard fork

i think this would be considered a "soft fork"

if i am not mistaken.....

https://t.me/Counterparty_XCP/223344

This is not a soft fork

xchain ( a block explorer ) is the only thing that is forked

sounds HARD AF

There is not any protection against anything, is not prepared the protocol for the fork and opens more vector attacks

I have no idea about any drama, I'm just here to shill my cards 😇

So check out Bitcoin Heads collection, y'all!

You keep believing the propaganda.

which is?

If you don't understand or don't want to see the real implications of this fork is your problem and are your funds which are in troubles

ah, yes, i should be totally fearful

sorry JA, im not.

The ‘I was wrong’ memes are going to be even more fun.

you assume id care if a hard fork happened and i had two sets of BREITBARTPEPs

coming from a guy who loved his bitcoincash

gonna be a tough one

i feel like discussion in the github is useless

do devs even want that?

The results would be better in the end.

the more you believe that lie the more you hurt the community actually trying to engage in meaningful discussions in the place you are supposed to

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take mate

it's merely a feeling i have. time will provide the answer

This doesn't work like this..

lol like how 8 years of CIP's cared about your feelings

do yall not realize these devs have been here for a VERY long time pushing updates?

https://time.graphics/line/858561

and having one block explorer not include a data set to limit space isnt a contentious protocol hard fork.

yea i just joined today

It is

There are now 2 divergent ledgers and there are not any attack protection between the forks bc both uses the same prefix is matter of time an scammer realize how can he take profit of this and I see that you should know that bc you are actually in the group where we are talking about this

Well I think the hard fork only took effect today

that was from yesterday but founders say 'hard fork'

Xcp.dev works fine.

Yes ser xcp dev is great and well designed

there are xcp balance discrepancies

Xcp.ninja works fine

counterparty is technically not a forking consensus system but hard fork is a common blockchain term for a these kinds of changes.

2 Explorers for CounterParty

You have been decreasing the dark clouds in my living room.. please continue

Or I will be forced to take my anxiety out on kids playing oculus

yep created this numeric with a fee - https://www.xcp.dev/asset/A7485097868826551000

now my xcp balance is different on xcp.dev

paying the fee feelsgoodman

Now tell me. How do I use the new ledger? How do I make a numeric with 0.1xcp ? Oh yeah all the wallets still use the main cp protocol for broadcasting cp txs

You don't need to use 9.62 to create an asset in it if you have xcp in your wallet when issuing it is deducted automatic when the issuance is parsed in the block

I am not against burning xcp .. I say burn more xcp

but burn with purpose not to pretend it makes databases run better

And how simple would it be to simply revert back to the main cp protocol for Xchain when this issue is resolved using official CIPs?

This was probed yesterday with this tx the first stamp living in both ledgers

Since nobody is issuing numerics with the forked protocol anyway?

I'm an optimist but this seems most likely

Could be wrong though

But I won't be afraid

id bet on this

10 xcp on it?

im in agreement that it will happen

I just did

You wild fuck

Someone come get they mans

thing is, because there's no replay protection, they are, though perhaps unintentionally.

this numeric paid the .1 xcp fee - https://www.xcp.dev/asset/A7485097868826551000

Damn sounds like the devs should agree on a path moving forward for the main cp ledger!

Luckily since y'all hate Jdog.. he's not a maintainer

It's Christmas!

Santa got everything y'all wanted

burn more btc too while you burn xcp

Except for my present

When at least DARK MODE for xcp.dev

YA KNO?

this isn't a "devs" thing. nothing has changed on 9.61.x.

So if we use an old freewallet installer we will still see the assets?

No ser

Is an api thing

Will be

I'm grateful now I didn't buy a heap of sub assets, I had a few but some people had most of their savings in stamps, eventually it might rise again but for now they're screwed

Fuck off I cannot post links

Lol stamps aren't deleted mate

This one was the first in pay that fee + 2k$ to be stamped A6524912715479370914

You are wrong

Obviously but if there isn't the standard way of trading them then, they're screwed for now

That's not true neither

dex n dispensers are fully functional

Okay then let's see trading volumes of stamps now xchain has booted them, it's not a guess it's fact

Again wrong

JA, "argue with an idiot" quote comes to mind

if you don't know how to use dex or dispensers say that don't say they broke

Never said they were broke, if this is the general intelligence of the stamp community I'm understanding jdogs position

?

dex n dispensers are bog std cp trading tools

Ser i can't post links in this group I have not privilege for do that

I'm only going off what I'm reading here but I vividly remember it being something like

"30 days..."

"Yo... wtf... who spammed an unreasonable amount of stamps overnight?"

"Oh so nobody? Yes i called them spam.. when its that many. Not you huh? Who? So you can't even say this will stop happening... ok.. yeah deadline over..."

And everybody making a surprised face.

I don't remember him fevered up, having a hallucination with tissue in his nose unplugging modems to let the mice out... or whatever thing you said.

spam was a hardcore rave / jungle track from the 90s

You can call spam what you want but would be funny to see how 10k rarepepes were minted as I imagine that for you this is not spam and xchain were in the sames down bc is not a problem in the protocol is a problem in xchain

You can see it or not I don't mind

xcp dev shines too bright

1774*

N00b

I paid my dues

0.5xcp baby

Noob yes I'm not og but I understand pretty more better the protocol I am than you

btns mints took out xchain.. should they pay xcp ?

oh they not spam

What I mean is that if instead of numerics were named at same rate xchain would be in the same

btns not even assets n blew up xchain

Down bc Is a problem of the explorer not supporting growth

funny i dont remember you putting a CIP in for xcp fees for broadcasts! would love to weigh in on the github! sounds interesting

i assume you run a node and are frustrated with all the broadcasts?

Nodes can parse broadcasts and issuances without problems

Protocol is working good with high volumes of tx

Xchain dont

Xcp dev supported both of this "spam" attacks

And is OpenSource, a long term solution

my node used to live tweet the mempool in 2017 so yeah I have been known to run one

You should be worried to recover all your images from your rarepepes that point to non existing sites and thinking in a way to be replicable in the new explorers that will arise bc now your images are just in xchain

And when you look at it in the new explorers will be broken

lol i can update the decription of my rare pepe whenever i want mate

point it wherever i want

stamp it

love yall but ima go eat

This show how inmutable and valuable they are...

huh i wonder if someone wrote a CIP for that

Yes Is wrote

You can look for it

yup. Theo Goodman

And stop trolling with your lack of knowledge

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/commit/58268b60fb49a019955847ca8cedd034145d0948

luv u 2 bb

Look... I'm trying to have a positive outlook on all of this.

But I am fucking GRASS...

When the elephants fight I get trampled.

You don't really want my opinion on this.

There is not a positive outlook other than there will not need for relay in closed source software soon

Just it

I don't see anyone else spending bare multisgs but I expect they will, don't need a cip either

Make it a double fren... too much room in that glass

work is happening

https://github.com/CNTRPRTY/xcpdev/pull/5

I think if people donated to jdog and for it to be worth his time he would probably do it, a lot of people here made money off stamps and jdogs working his ass off to keep the platform alive largely for free, for others to make money. How about some of the artists who made large money off stamps actually give back? Why should @jdogresorg work full time for others benefit ?

I'd be saying "F**k you too"

I understand your point, i understand you depend in tools for build your art but the solution is not relay in closed sources bad designed and change the protocol because they dont work good while the protocol is working perfect, what jdog has done is break the growth in favor of xchain dont being down, this is not a solution, is a patch and really doesnt solves anything, idk what your use case is what i know is that if you dont let people transact counterparty wont grow, this has to be looked as a growth oportunity for new opensource tools to arise

why do free numerics exist if not to be used?

testnet is for testing n education n playing around to get familur ... mainnet is for real .. have you seen the tx fees is not for the feint of heart

he returned all the donations he received some time ago

What was it ? 9k some stamps have sold for more

Bro.... I went to public school

I'm retarded... ur gonna have to translate this

I imagine this is a very smart version of "we're on it... give us time"

And I am..

So I'm going back to being quiet...

I'm fine

yes ser work is happening

I was lucky to get to share a keyboard at school once week I need help to fully understand that github stuff but I see it

what is the current price for a 404 rarepepe?

high for sure, is a piece of history, but this dont exime for being a lost pointer to a website doesnt work anymore

Every user should post to GitHub?

id rather that than than nobody at all be included in the coversations, as jdog mentioned:

"You may disagree with the fork, but IMO only way out of this is clarity on what community wants, and community members who have a large stake in the project (developers who actually run projects on the chain) should have their views heard loudly at this critical time"

Well this is the middle ground

Devs obviously have a huge amount of context and roadmap for building stuff

But when stuff is out there then users will do what they do

There is not a great way to have 1000’s or 10’s of 1000’s of users just posting suggestions and demands to devs (via chat or GitHub)

Got to have some middle layer (part of growth and is not without cost - like everything else )

Not saying that I expected this to be in place. But if xcp has an increasing user base it obviously won’t work to have thousands of people just throwing demands around

true but at this moment and for the last few years we have had less interaction there and need more voices to understand and participate in the CIP process - one of which could be you proposing a new system that expects alot of new users

the truth is that a foundation can be this middle layer

Agree

Maybe.

Of course there are examples of small dev teams serving millions of users. But I’d guess that the successful examples of this are outliers

How does anyone know what a foundation is if a myriad of use cases cannot clearly be distilled

There’s actually - probably enough talent in this group to make a great decentralized thing

I think instagram only had 9 employees when it was bought out, Craig’s list, Plenty of Fish, all teams under 10

Exactly - outliers

Maybe start :

Wtf are the 3 primary goals for counterparty today? (This is an abstract ask as this chat represents some stakeholders )

Named stamps man. Upgrade your assets.

off the cuff:
create
exchange
explore

try to send xcp to dex-trade but deposit wallet start like bc1

and my wallet say not valid address

how can i fix that, need some help, thanks

don't use Freewallet mobile it's outdated... use the desktop version

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can i just sent to wallet like bc1 through desktop version

You are overlooking the letter after the 1

Bc1q or bc1p

Native segwit or Taproot...

its bc1q from dex-trade

and my freewallet desktop version generating counterparty transaction for around 30m, should i cancel it

Yeah that means not enough gas probs

Always put a bunch more, I do

i set x2 of high gas on set up

https://twitter.com/shaban_shaame/status/1745094416765710447

didn't it happen already?

Yes, within 24 hours of the backwards-incompatible release.

If the main declines to merge jdogs lib the only loss is the difference in xcp balance for those that paid the .1xcp fee for numerica, correct? With new official services his for could be disregarded and the entire community would carry on running official/main software if I understand correctly.

Simply making his fork a niche situation.

main CANNOT merge jdogs PR

it is already out of consensus

you cannot go backwards, only forwards

Whats the XCP cost at this time? We need to take no of numerics minted per day * 0.1 XCP ? Thats small fry compared to the value on Counterparty as a decentralised open source - we could crowd fund a symbolic burn to appease the xcp fee gods

its not even a solution to his problem

thats the most frustrating part

unless his goal is simply to neuter counterparty to the point where he doesnt need to update his own infra

I was sarcastic my /s comment got deleted. I expect it would be overminted x10 if made public option

TBF I don't think Jeremy has any idea how pernicious his hard fork was.

Understood. If his aims were to be included in a different PR, adding the .1 fee, this could force the need for dynamic fees to be developed and released too with heavy utilization.

Wouldn’t just pushing the need to create that secondary mechanism be a better use of everyone’s time?

this isn't how consensus systems work

consensus systems are unintuitive and the game theory of hard forks is nasty. the longer two ledgers coexist the more reason there is for the split to continue

"Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely"

again, this is why I think that jeremy completely overlooked the actual implications of forking off. in order to get back into consensus *even with numeric fees implemented on 9.61* jdogparty would need to do the metaprotocol version of a reorg and essentially by social consensus agree to invalidate all of its txs up to the block height of the chain split

(this is basically what @hodlencoinfield said — don't mean to take credit!)

I think from his perspective, everyone else would have to do the social consensus thing to come into alignment with his fork.

I think you're giving him way too much credit. He's not Lex Luthor; he's a developer who was having a bad day.

https://twitter.com/shaban_shaame/status/1745094416765710447

Jeremy, no one is disputing that you've made very valuable contributions to Counterparty, but the idea that this means everyone should support you attacking the network is completely unreasonable.

I know you think you're playing 4D chess to help decentralize Counterparty but you're not. You're just hurting people and causing them to lose money.

🤷nope... developer who been here for longer than co-founders who left many years go... maintaining it all myself... asking for help, screaming about need for more explorers, wallets, etc.... it is really shitty we are in this situation, and you can all choose to blame me for FORCING conversation and FORCING community to determine consensus.... sucks, but I didn't create this situation of everyone depending on XChain freewallet for many years... I didn't create the situation of being the only sole dev (everyone else left, John took over, I supported him for years. then my best friend died... and on that same day when I had to grieve the loss of my best friend, I had to think FIRST of Counterparty and its future.

I was left with a choice.... step up and bear the weight of CP myself, or let it all fall apart.

From my perspective, I did what I needed to do to keep this thing alive, as I have for many years.

This is a very nuanced and complex issue, so, easy to just paint me as the bad guy and say i've gone rogue...

I am fine sacricicing reputational currency on this hill of numerics being spam and causing problems for many projects in the space (XChain/Freewallet is just the most public).

I hope that we find a way out of this fork, and as I have told the other core devs, I am fine backing off the fork and going back to 9.61.1 on XChain as soon as we all agree on a method to determine consensus, and everyone agrees to abide by the results of the poll/vote/consensus... I'm looking for ways out of this hole, not to make it worse.

From my perspective, progress is being made on calling off the fork 🤷

My response to Shabans post… https://twitter.com/wasthatawolf/status/1745114542298824972

The way out of your hole is to stop digging it deeper

How can we have any conversation when you continue to run a hostile fork?

@jdogresorg if you want to get people to stop relying on your infrastructure and ignoring the question of changing the protocol, the correct response is to simply take xchain down, not cause it to return incorrect data. *even if* everyone suddenly agreed to implement your "v9.62.0" immediately, either xchain would have to rewrite history or the rest of the network would. the pressure would be stronger, your message would be clearer, and there wouldn't be any damage to undo later

i suggested exactly that before jdogs hostile fork

@jdogresorg I urge you to replace xchain.io's landing page with a plea to the community to support your proposed protocol change. then everyone will understand what's actually happening and there will multiple paths forward: implement your proposed change or stop using your services. as it is, there's no path forward... everything is just subtly wrong and everyone is rightfully confused about what's to be done

Ya'll left and JDog has been the only reason it's been functioning and now coming back to tell him what he can and cant do? lol

This is the most excitement in XCP in years lol

honestly nothing would force development quicker then just turning xchain off lol

rullish

Would it be possible to just have Xchain not show the numeric assets while running 9.61.1 ? Or is it more that maintaining those numeric assets on the backend would be too heavy/expensive. I’d still like the ability to move/see my numeric assets in freewallet, regardless if they show on Xchain. An xcp fee seems appropriate but the btc cost is already very high. Maybe an xcp fee just for sending or create dispensers for the numeric assets instead? That way issuance and user adoption can still continue unimpeded but xcp will benefit from further use of numeric assets? Idk just thinking out loud here.

so if jdog left no one would have done anything? thats insulting

he shouldered the load and we all let him do it, which is our bad

my bad Joe you have done some amazing things

ive always had jdogs back right up until monday morning

I think this rather fair overall and people don't respond to gentle tragedy of the commons open hat for donations but now that shit is fucked up suddenly we are finding a lot of people have money and want to pay -- it is kind of human nature

but i just cannot accept the way he deployed his hostile fork and fucked everyone over

honestly this all seems like a lot of kayfabe but I'm here for it

everyone that thought they had 30 days to update their stuff

its indefensible

lol jdog does play the heel well

Vegas should be fun bummed I'm gonna miss it lol

What about imposing a small XCP fee for moving a Stamp using Free Wallet? So as the OP suggested don’t show Stamps on XCHAIN but still give people the option to pay a small XCP fee if they want to move their Stamp using FreeWallet. Just like you have to currently pay a small XCP fee in addition to btc if you want to sweep an address using FREEWALLET right? @jdogresorg

What if we just kick back and let a new explorer or two pop up alongside a more modernized wallet of some sort and not panic while continuing on the track we’ve always been on?

In a time like this doing new protocol things sounds like more potential issues than simply adding new services.

Realistically any changes should take some time to be implemented anyway so why burn time on that when we can see time/funds used to get xcp away from dependency on these forked third party products/seevices

what has happened to my dspensers? they seem to be gone

freewallet no longer showing orders and dispenser on my end

same

The XCP fee for sending a Stamp could even go straight to @jdogresorg for development?

Protocol pay third party developer?

Terrible idea

He isn’t maintaining anymore

Fair enough

Just thought as people are used to having to pay an XCP fee to do a sweep using Free Wallet, they might be ok with paying one to send a Stamp

what is numeric asset mean?

Would be better if community created a bounty to help fix parsing issue

A1111FFFFF

Hi, I'm looking for some help, I'm new here, I'm getting affected by some of the changes happening, I'm supporting an older piece of software that used the xchain API to look up some data, I've created some numeric tokena because the alphabetical tokens cost 0.5 testBTC each to create? I don't know of anyway to get 0.5 test BTC for 6 tokens in a reasonable time frame. currently it looks like xchain does not support tracking numerical tokens anymore. I'm hoping someone can point me in a direction so I can continue validating features on testnet before doing deployments? would I have to find an alternative to xchain?

a not named assets .. its like A12341235412341234

whoo.. okay that makes sense.. thanks bob

You can buy XCP from a dispenser or dex-trade, it's pretty simple.

will that work for testnet?

testnet ?

You want testnetXCP ?

yeah you can burn tBTC for tXCP

what would be the best way to get 3 tBTC quickly?

ask lopp on nostr

i expect tXCP is not dispensed as it can be obtained by burning

looking online I get pointed to fuacets that procude a fraction of a tBTC per day.

ive sent many btc donations for xcp dev and will continue to do so - regardless of the xcp devs its going to(previously only jdog i believe) - I am in favour of a fee for numerics like all other assets have and hold a xcp stake along with tons of rare pepes/xcp assets/fakes/stamps - I hope we can support them all with fees and grow the xcp development (new wallets/explorers/etc) Its far to much for 1 guy and should be more decentralized

lopp on nostr?

yeah Jameson Lopp he has a company you may have heard of CASA he got a tBTC stash and will send he says

We were having the discussion to help jdog with that and the next day he decided to fork

You were there right before I booted you lol

Probably deserved said boot 🤣

i dont have his npub to hand but it may be on his Xitter - you could tweet him if you dont Nostr

If I don't success in contacting him, what would be my next 2 best options?

keep hitting up the dispenser .. keep asking around

I can send you a million tsats but dont have multiple btcs of tBTC

3 btc is a fuckton of testnet transactions do you really *need" that much ?

I need to have create tokens to test with, best I could find today that gave me an option for creating alphabetical tokens was freewallet that stated that it costs 0.5 tBTC to create?

i can send you some tXCP if you like ?

Would 10 tXCP help ?

I'd hate to inconveniece you like that. but I'd really appreciate it. my address is n2A4mYgB9HjFA1fLQTiKUsF8s6Hr5Soss6 4 will do.

no bother sent you 5

yay! 🎉

this is silly. we never took money from anyone, did not premine XCP and, furthermore shouldered a heavy financial burden to get Counterparty going. We *by design* didn't owe anyone anything, which allowed us to turn our attention to other work in good conscience. That other people in turn *voluntarily* decided to work on Counterparty does not entitle them to treat the project like their petty fiefdom

everyone's fixated on the personalities involved but the reality is they're beside the point. *People will lose money*.

Enough weird cults of personality. A hardfork was made by someone who didn't understand the technical implications of what he was doing. Period.

The non-technical community members seem not to understand that not only was the 'solution' forced by the hard fork unrelated to the problem it was meant to solve, but because it was activated with immediate effect it *couldn't* solve the problem.

why would he pull xchain down when it works perfectly fine for everything except the spam?

You don't understand how consensus systems work.

whose dictionary definition of spam is the community using ?

my jpg is more valid than your jpg

the definition he clearly made known prior to doing what he did

a backwards-incompatible change was made; there are two ledgers. xchain running 9.62 is *especially* pernicious because 9.62 does not implement replay protection and therefore the ledgers, while completely distinct, vary in subtle ways.

free assets do not live in glass viewing boxes

it's his block explorer and he can decide those definitions

they are for all to use

why was Joe's freeport free assets not the end of the world ?

why do free assets even exist if not to be used ?

i keep asking this and no one answers

frankly, fixating on this confuses matters

I have only been following this for the past couple days but it seems like he made his intentions known to all of you months ago and yet nothing was done to compromise or build new infrastructure to handle it. So not sure why everyone is acting like this was abrupt.

again, you don't understand how consensus systems work.

that is exactly not what happened

the change isn't the only thing that matters; the activation block is the really important thing.

fair enough - but people think and or have been told paying xcp fixes a database

did anyone offer to pay his server fees for 10K to keep xchain going?

jdog collected hundreds of thousands of dollars of donations.

but that's beside the point!

I deleted my previous comment.. but this is tough

I remember a year or more ago he was paid to work full time on counterparty for the year - was it supposed to be forever? I don't know these answers so just asking

The chaos entailed by this hardfork is in the *technical* details. Being "team jdog" or whatever makes no sense.

neither jeremy nor anyone else signed a contract to work on Counterparty. as with all cases in which money changes hands I am sure some work he did was applauded and some was not. that's not the issue. the issue isn't even the adding fees to numerics; it's the activation block, lack of replay protection and the way critical services are deploying the backwards-incompatible update.

I don't understand enough for a nuanced take.

Feels bad man

nuance is the *only* thing that matters here

he posted on X this morning clarifying that no hard fork was completed on the protocol just on xchain - i'm not sure how he wouldn't understand the differences that you are bringing up.

Sure, but who's gonna do it? I think the same question had happened since 2017

the specifics of the backwards-incompatible change are totally secondary and by fixating on them you give credence to the idea that 'what we have here is a failure to communicate'

this is a distinction without a difference and even though I think Jeremy did not understand the implications of hardforking, he absolutely does understand that this is disingenuous.

If they do it, for free or want payment? If payment then we need vcs and some scam tokens for them to lock up a ND dump? Or just issue them new scam Inscriptions? Call them ordinals 3.5?

For me dude looked after so much shit for years, I'm not caring the changes as long as I can still use freewallet,.make and sell assets, move shit, and use dispensors. I didn't read the differences here or Twitter so I don't know what features I am losing yet.

based on what jdog has said, you just lose the ability to spam numerical assets without paying a small fee.

Understood n thank you for your time at this time

If this is true I 100% support the fork. For years ppl have said "plz make token BUrn. Plz for the love of God make a way for xcp to have real utility"

So is this is now???

@B0BSmith ☝️this is why you shouldn't fixate on the specifics of the change. people don't understand hard forks, believe that this is a philosophical difference and will very likely lose money because of the way the hard fork was done.

What is missing in backwards compatibility if only asset few for high vol sends? Ppl CANT move anything without the .1 xcp fee now?

What are the hard fork implications I am wondering about?

I've gone through this too many times in the past 48 hours. Can someone else please explain.

It should be a pinned msg here why it was done and what is it.

Can u link the msg?

I was reading caus it was like 300msg since yesterday

check his x / twitter

Then just sipped to now.

O ok

this is *for all practical purposes* completely incorrect.

I understand, it takes a lot to get your head around all of this as its not intuative. The xcp fee was sold as fix to the problem when it as you again have pointed out it is not

Let me edit it

I say burn more xcp I am not against burns, far far from it

Burn xcp & Burn btc & do it with purpose!

No one else stepped up man. I can proudly say I was the one guy who instigated the last xcp election when I asked jdog what happened to the foundation etc. I think that was 2018. Anyway again I think it sorta fell apart and few did much, I didn't run or do anything
But he stuck around and held up the weight of everything
@jdogresorg

ibid.

Hmm

Your wallet will be writing to and reading from different ledgers because xchain is running 9.62. again, stop fixating on personalities and the question of fees on numerics and look at the actual problem.

this isn't the problem that people are trying to solve

Could also be viewed as there was a vote in dev chat in favour of fee on numerics, then CP should have b4 any fork updated to 9.62?

why can't folks just create a new block explorer and move on?

because it's not a matter of just 'creating a new block explorer'. people have to *use* different block explorers.

In my opinion XCPs most valuable utility is as the native DeX token. It also functions as antispam for certain functions. It has multiple utilities

including, importantly, the several wallets that rely on xchain for balances and which most of the community uses.

Periwig - who are you exactly? and how do you claim to know more then jdog who has maintained the protocol for years

*stop fixating on personalities*

Hmm exactly. So the whole system dependencies are currently messed up. Or at least CAN be

I could care less about that - just asking what gives your opinion more weight then the man that has kept XCP going for years.

'my opinion' isn't relevant here. I am telling how a hard fork of this type will play out.

okay - so you're talking in circles now.

Always say, the CP founders did all the work and had to pay their fair share like everyone else, the biggest losers out of anyone.

XCP is the greatest alt ever created.

oh no, I'm in an infinite regress, whatever will I do? You bested me, @honkhonnk

Xcp is currently only burned as asset makes. Not for other things

xcp is burned for sweeps and dividends as well as registrations

All I asked was for you to identify why anyone should take your word over his and you seem not to be able to relay that

he has the "co-founder" badge, i guess you missed that

for one, they are one of the few here actually saying something that isn't nonsense

Xcp.dev
Xcp.ninja

A choice has to be made dev will have to bow the stamps spam or bow to JDog.

No - i saw his badge - but still asking for reasons that we should jdog is maliciously destroying XCP

again *malice* isn't being attributed

the *fork* is hostile.

read up around here

https://t.me/Counterparty_XCP/223672

Stamps are more hostile

*Stamps are not a fork*

Stamps are a spam attack

Antispam meet ccp

I get it, some people don't like what they perceive as abuse of free numerics. there is a real discussion to be had there.

I guess it really was time for XCP the hobbist venture to pass the torch to Stamps now it seems -- stamps initially being birthed out the XCP ethos at least will now consume XCP and the process will be complete

Wasn’t the free numerics always something that would have gone away once xcp matured

I can tell you the original intent but I don't think it matters

I’d love to know? About people learning how to use id assume

sure, it's pretty simple: whereas name squatting is a real thing, number squatting isn't; therefore, named assets should have fees and numbered assets shouldn't

that's it. it's not deep.

testnet free and great for educational use

it can and maybe even should be revisited.

So it’s original intent was antispam

Which is what we are dealing with now

Saving data on the Blockchain can be done without CounterParty...

I mean stamps guys could have built their own ecosystem but leached onto ours to grow. Parasites

Just as XCP leeched off of BTC ?

Src20 proved this...

Fees on adoption, 10 years later not going to help grow CounterParty

bitcoin was burned to create XCP - not really a leech similar to stamps

Accept stamps as a valid asset "not just some spam"

And build out CounterParty