i can hear it now

Dave you funny

I’m banned from sending emojis or memes in this chat
*are you not entertained *

Old school emoticons

Man got bare stickers

Only coit is more shadow banned ;)

I hardly even say anything

jus sharin for fun :)

ChatGPT suggested Tiered Fee Structure

"Consider a tiered fee structure where the first few asset issuances are free or very cheap, but the cost increases gradually with the number of assets issued. This approach balances the need for accessibility with a deterrent against spam."

I vote tiered fee structure 🫡

Fun fact - I have created 845 non-numeric assets since 2021

The token is the art

Insta ban

Self ban

Trust ban

So, what’s the best way to burn an asset in counterparty? That will get it acknowledged by all the standard burn metrics?

Send it to the 1BURNXXXXXX address or some other special address??

I don’t see a built in option for this in rpw, maybe I’ll have a look in free wallet

There's a burn function in FW if you are the owner of the issuance

Do you mean Destroy? That's how I would do it. It removes it from the supply entirely. And anyone can destroy any asset they own (except for BTC of course).

I mean, it’s a locked asset so no - I don’t think destroy will work

Yup called "destroy"

Unless it’s the same as burn.

All you can do once it’s locked is send it to a special address

Then sending to 1Burn address is the only option

From what I understand

Its a bit different. Burned assets aren't removed from the supply

Yes okay thanks

I take that back yeah it should work

I remember destroying locked assets before . Give it a try

Better use destroy cuz it completely takes them out of supply, unlike sending to burn addresses.

false

https://xchain.io/tx/3ae9ad35fdc97ca0b3b6713deb39619852bba372c1485bb804171ca5b4c4d4c5

Legendary example

Wow well I’ll give it a try

Thanks all

It’s the first night of PEPEAMCANI burns; I want to do it properly

“Destroy” removes the tokens from the supply…. Send to burn address n the supply still exists, just not spendable

Sounds like destroy is the clear winner unless there’s a certain amount of issuance you want to exist

But for PEPEAMCANI I don’t care. Anyway, I promised to burn/destroy one a day until only my 8 are left, starting today, and so I’m making good on that. Thank you all for the golden advice - and free wallet for the win again

https://forums.counterparty.io/t/idea-for-dynamic-fees-for-counterparty/2812

For heavy load transactions (like dividend, asset registration, and possibly the new multi send tx) additional XCP fees should be paid

https://forums.counterparty.io/t/idea-subasset-issuance-markets/3284

My primary reason for suggesting this was a discussion on whether numeric assets should be free. A good argument in favor of this is that new users won’t have to first go through the hassle of acquiring XCP to pay the fee. A good counter-argument is that simply paying a miner fee is unreasonably cheap.

https://forums.counterparty.io/t/official-counterparty-fee-policy/3297

The same principle applies to numeric assets, however no fee is in place here. Ironically, there is a 0.25 XCP fee on subassets while no squatting can ever take place since the owner has a monopoly over the namespace.

Subassets and numeric assets can be 1/10th that of alphabetic assets. Subassets don’t really need a fee at all to protect the namespace but a low fee is anyway good to prevent flooding the protocol with valueless assets.

Found some stuff not listed in Initial list

From what I've read, early stuff, seems like these discussions were taken place, fees would be added/highered/lowered where nessasary

But it's kinda funny we're having these conversations at a time where BTC fees are unreasonably high. So I still don't get how adding a tiny XCP would prevent people who are ready to pay 20-40$ to stamp a pfp from minting?

What am I missing?

That wasn't your initial question, that is another debate

We are having these discussions when numerics are being used in mass

Adding value to CP. Fee in btc add value to bitcoin not CP.

Agree, but the pitch is it prevents "spam"

Some counter argument is but it's anti squat, not anti spam (even if mentioned as anti spam use) on that argument of anti squat then if we pay fee for subasset where squatting can not happen, why not numerics

Yeah I'm leaning more towards fee for other reasons than spam

But I don't get any of the spam arguments

Stamp minters pay 20-40$ to stamp pfps

I think we are talking now, as they discussed many years ago, that fees should be in place for numerics because of mass use, is not just new users testing the waters and that is clear

Avoiding spam is done two ways.
1 pay with your money.
2. spend your money on energy to compute a hash.

You have to be very very naive to think that consensus, protocol, and security must be "free"

freedom is not free. somehow you have to use money to buy freedom

Can u refer me please to the paragraph/section where they suggested a fee following mass use?

They're paying 30s $ a mint though no?

That is the fee to record data in bitcoin. but the data stored in the CP db is not being charged a fee.

Well we pay for subassets and named assets, for antispam/squat, so because of mass use

Well, so your main argument isn't preventing spam. As they are already paying a lot. It's for them to use XCP and benefit the token.

I don't think it's because mass use

There's difference between mass use and spam

The argument as to why numerics shouldn't pay a fee like named/sub assets was because ease of use for a new user

I'd consider spam as a malicious attack

So named assets are spam?

Mass use is legitimate use with high traction

I consider spam a violent way of attacking people's freedoms.

If it were a payment fee I might feel different but this deflation goes nowhere

For 9/10 months stamps have not been classed as spam but named assets have if that is the logic

It’s not paying to use anything, it’s increasing value for large holders

It's CP

I tried to gather proof for that. Where do I see any proof by the founders that the purpose of named assets was ease of use for new users? That would make me change my mind

Or by whoever designed it

I just see that it says discussions were in place, and the reason not to have fee on numerics

Here

So us spammers are paying a fee, but numerics aren't spam so don't have, not a good look imo

But this feels outdated as it was suggested when BTC fees were low

And we still pay fee for named, that also hasn't changed

Fees have gone up for us as well

Ethereum jargon

Ive made couple stamps, should have needed to pay xcp fee tho

That's why, I'm saying, IF by design, numerics were invented as a free method for new users to mint without being charged to try the protocol, I'd completely understand and would say numerics are being "exploited"

But I can't see definite evidence for that

Yes new user, it is mentioned in the link I gave

I couldn't find the cip for numeric asset, saw the sub asset by jdog I think

That's JP speculating in that thread. He was asking questions. This is no evidence of policy

But so you see? We're deviating from spam issues now

Here

Never claimed definitive proof

But is looking to be the case

Fees should be on all assets, or none of them

Thing is I'm finding it hard to vote with 11k XCP without being 100% confident.

I agree with this...

How about just going to the horses' mouth? 2 of the founders have weighed in. It's anti-squat. But keep hunting for the "proof" you're looking for.

the only problem we have with no vote for fee is because burned fee doesnt solve anything

Here

You can't squat a subasset, but there's fees

Dude, you guys burned thousands of BTC to get xcp. After so many years, don't even come up with strange shit and say that the fee is not good.

Agree with this too lol

I'm not defending that. I'd say remove them off sub-assets

I think we moved on past that is it spam or not argument a while ago.

In my opinion , the question now is, listen to the community which is voting and saying they want a XCP fee on numerics, or ignoring them completely.

We have talked in circles on this issue for nine months … I’m glad that new people are showing up and participating in the conversation.

But I want it clear we’re past is it good? Is it bad? Is it spam? Is it not? …. We are at a point of listen to the community or ignore the community…. And it’s gonna be real obvious if the needs of the community are ignored by the people that are in charge.

And again , they have my support still, and I am confident that long-term they are the right choices to lead counterparty forward👍🏻

I say stay true to CP, keep and add fee on numerics ;)

long term this dont help anything to counterparty, just xcp holders, is not the same, burned fees doesnt pay for infra cost, dev work, performance maintainment, onboarding users and anything

Thing is when I went on xchain to vote, the main argument used is to combat the problamatic spam..

Problem, abuse, spam

Mark that words.

I guess we can have a difference of opinion…. I see all of this is great… people using the platform, and now being forced to engage and actually provide development resources to push things forward… I screamed at you guys for nine months help help please fund development support…. I was ignored.

So yeah, disagree with my method but the end result is you all got off your ass and started helping … too bad you’re not helping me and still villainizing me… but at least you got off your ass and you’re helping counterparty and the people that use it, not just your project and your tools and your community👍🏻

The "community" sees broken 3rd party tools, is convinced that this is a protocol issue which can be "fixed" by adding a fee and of course non-devs will opt for "add the fee" they have no understanding of the technical realities. This isn't community consensus. They don't decide. We don't let 5 year olds vote either.

Bro is speaking in binary

Looking through cips etc, lot of great work done for CP, again thanks @jdogresorg

Oh, Mike, you’re speaking for the counterparty community again!! Shocker!!!

I agree we need more block explorers and wallets … I’m glad you agree. Finally.

Too bad you had to throw your project into the fire and burn people in order for you to finally understand how decentralized projects work , and numeric assets are not free🤷🏻‍♂️

No I speak for myself. I don't claim to speak for anyone else.

And @davesta read a few of your interactions, good stuff

The community sees this, the community sees that…. That you speak for the community bro🤷🏻‍♂️

Let me help you out .

Mike and the stamps community field X

Mike and his projects feel like X

Stop saying community , it’s a generalized term that’s being gamed here

I’m here for the counterparty community in general, which is way larger than your project .

Words matter

@mikeinspace @jdogresorg I'll send a invitation to couple counseling...

husband and wife fighting

At least I’m asking the community. What do you think through three different polls… and listening to what they say.

You’re talking community this and community that , while refusing to engage in voting in two mechanisms, and telling your community to spam the other voting pole in this group.

Calling out the behavior as I see it … agree, or disagree… decide for yourself🤷🏻‍♂️

Wohooo insta ban

did you see this?

https://time.graphics/line/858561

Yh lol

Thanks for mentioning danks

never told anyone to spam the polls. In fact I suggested no one vote at all (but vote if you feel like it)

Ahh don't think danks on there, I read a written kinda timeliness, something similar but not visual

I see danks now, all good lol

No you're presenting a false choice and saying the "community" is clamouring for this. You created the polls. The "community" did not. Even the language used on the voting page is heavily slanted. At least try and present the situation in a neutral manner.

i love danks

True… I have not seen any comments by you directly saying vote in any polls.

I’ve seen many people say they’ve seen in your community say to do so , but you specifically have not said to abuse the polls…. You just refuse to engage in the polls, continue trolling, and speaking for community until someone stands up and tells you stop.

Speak for yourself and your community please 👍🏻

We know what the outcome of those polls is going to be. Voting just gives it legitimacy.

I understand that’s how you feel…

You also felt that all of your Bitcoin stamps was not a problem for counterparty and xchain being down was not a problem …… until it was down. Everyone in the community was upset and you were the villain….

Now everything’s back up and OK again because I’m calm and rational …

And it seems you’re back to the disingenuous way of engaging .

I hate that the fork and all this drama got you more attention , which is ultimately all I think you care about, getting your name associated with a project and being seen as a big, smart man.

Smart men figure out how to use the bathroom and tell their people not to shit in the sink 🤷🏻‍♂️

>> Everyone in the community was upset and you were the villain….

Those weren't the DMs I was reading. Believe me.

In the future it will exist in that timeline @jdogresorg and @mikeinspace have sex after having fought for months because of a CIP.... the fee was implemented properly, since Satoshi resurfaced to comment on CP and the consensus in CP.. end.

you know whats crazy i was just drafting that part

Finally drama circle end,nice

now i have satoshi joins the counterparty dev team on my 2024 bingo card

We should make a CIP for it to be implemented.

Do we?

We also knew that stamps didn’t rely on Xchain or freewallet….

So I guess nobody in your community is upset that they can’t see their stuff on Xchain or use Freewallet ?

Stop with the bullshit … engaged in an honest way, and stop trying to troll and manipulate the situation…

I’m gonna keep calling it out anytime. I see it in here until I have no admin powers.

Not to be disruptive , not to force me out of an admin position, but because I’m done letting people abuse this community and mislead them, and that is what I believe you are doing.

You really think this is neutral language?

So put up your own site with your own wording, and tell people to fucking vote… but stop trying to put it on me. I won’t accept that bullshit anymore bro🤷🏻‍♂️

Yeah people are upset. It's hassle to switch wallets. They are very thankful when I direct them to the many alternatives.

@mikeinspace @jdogresorg These two are the ones who will cause the most damage to the community if they continue arguing, and the community must realize this and stop them. Their relationship is already becoming toxic....

They are always trying to compare who has the biggest penis.

Seriously it’s time to STFU, you are both in timeout

I have lost respect for both of them...

You guys can’t change the past, so the battle is futile

Yup.. but still not thankful to XChain or FreeWallet for allowing your community to grow over the last nine months…. Still have the position that I’m causing all the drama and the bad guy.

So so sorry to take the position I have with your community which is …

Fuck you pay me ! 🤷🏻‍♂️

I’m focused elsewhere

Guess not lol

I simply do not respect those who try to be above the freedom of others with their whims... It doesn't matter what they have done in the past if they are bringing it down

I'm not even "battling"... my comments are respectful and I don't resort to name-calling. Despite many calling me derogatory things in this room. Cool and collected.

But still fighting to get the “I’m right… see… last word”

Nor should we respect those who make decisions and fight without taking into account the opinions of others.... none of you are willing to give in and recognize the way you have treated this matter.

Then focus elsewhere… why engage? Last word that important?

Fair enough. I'll take this opportunity to leave the room. Have a good night, folks. Really don't hate anyone.

They only need attention and validation... but in reality their opinion is no longer valid. They are willing to break into pieces and take the community down with them.

That behavior has a name. "Narcissism"

just tired of seeing more of the same bullshit false engagement from Mike and his side now that I’ve removed the pressure and brought xchain back up….. I take the highroad and do the right thing for the community and sacrifice again…. And he is back with the same bullshit, making it all my fault and ignoring the history of the last nine months.

Thank you Shannon as a core dev for speaking up and saying it is probably best that I disengage now.

I agree, and will do so 👍🏻

please mute me here for a week at least👍🏻

or remove my admin powers whatever you feel is most appropriate👍🏻

Adam back retweeted about mike in space and other some cryptographers and other OG, and that sparked their pride

Can I take away your keyboard? Hand you a blunt and give you a hug?

Just ignore mike. Dudes a troll, upping his dopamine in here

I’m less than an hour from being inside omnia with Shawn and friends…. Watching my hot girlfriend dance and I plan to get obliterated.

We good bro

last few were the best ive felt in days

What peace I feel here, 900ms have passed without discussions

Thanks pepito maradona...

I DMed them both saying “bro just chill.” seems to have worked.

I'll go to sleep after making peace here. If they start arguing again, just write to them "bro just chill" 10000% guaranteed 1000% success -10000% pride..

from my perspective those stamps at least kept the dead cat bouncing , no?

what do we have beside that? 500$ volume a day ?

another question from my side.

if numeric assets degrading site performance and were called a spam, how after donating money those assets going to become not a spam and not to degrade performance?

that banner in xchain looks like ransome to me

honestly.

10k assets minted and crashed CP scalability? i noticed jdog took a step exactly after stampepes mint

how after donating money it will help not to happen again ?

what scalability do we have at the moment? server can handle 100 tx a day? :D

10k was too much?

If you really want this, please confirm by DM and I will do so, if you think it can help you take a well-deserved break!

by the way

i have historical NFT

patchwork bitcrystals

it is first and only numeric HNFT

its gone now. anyone of you will compensate?

or that was a spam too?

also another story.
my friend came to test CP, he minted numeric (test reason). now that asset is gone.
test brought results : its shit.

well played.

blatant asking for money after shutting down numerics, thats how i see this situation

even if they will pay that money, i will never forget you tweeted its spam and that this is degrading performance

you called a spam something you created yourself
1. created numeric assets
2. people started using them
3. when the server couldnt handle 10k tx a day instead of upgrading the server and pointing the problem of the upgrade in need - numerics assets were called a spam by its creator.

That was the worst part. Created and called the product a SPAM. genius.

if i was in charge i would have pointed just server and scalability issues and would have never said that assets are spam. but all people are different.

btw another thing for the end. it would be very strange if bitcoin stamps would need another token but not bitcoin to mint it. right? thats why i wish for the stamps and CP to separate from each other. if i was them, i wasnt paying that ransom. just sayin

last: i can bet cards will decrease in value because everyone will start to dump them for xcp. there is never advantages only, market will show if the decision was right

its not your fault.
you took control of what you created.
but again, "full time donation" dispensers

you understand that all of your assets are still in your wallet right?

yes sure

but try selling it to someone lol

the value gone.

the asset will show up only if someone will pay a ransom

i am the poster child for that... but its a historic time... patience is probably the best course of action atm

ok lets be realistic

jdog made xchain and FW

he has 40k nfts

10% xcp

right?

so something he gave, played well to him?

on top he was asking donations and we gave them

did scalability improved on servers?

no, after 15k tx it was shut

well done guys

1%

sorry 1%

still a generational wealth

without US

he wasnt there

100%

every of you made him to be there

hey man... it get it... you are still on 11 about this
but after a week of this im desensitized

choose whatever path seems best to you

the path im choosing is letting the smarts smart... and while they get it sorted im gonna go have a Dannon yogurt and not doomscroll TG.

because im not a dev... i cant help.. and i dont have enough of a bag to be a sway voter

this attack is not on stamps alone, numeric assets were for years. and a single person deleted them from a single explorer

means centralized AF

Jdog can push the vulnerable code and nobody would even see or check (i am not saying he would do but saying HE CAN)

im honest. saying its centralized. the risk can happen

he could die too. anything can happen when talking about risks

Work is being done. Patience friend.

He isn't CounterParty

okay lets see how this will end up.

You have xcp.ninja

Also has a wallet for CounterParty assets

Rarepepewallet.wtf

Dankset.io

Its just bad timing that counterwallet is also down... but yes alternate choices exist and more are being built as we speak.

Wallet.xcp.ninja

i am using jpja to code the tx and using electrum to broadcast,
all this just because,there is no proper wallet, but it doesnt mean CP is not working, everything is working just fine.
but only if OP returns generated by myself
at every moment they were down, everything was working just fine because its on bitcoin. lets not forget

everything is working 100% , those tools they ask ransom for is not needed. they just gives an easy way of working and attracting masses, but not necessarily. in a lack of those tools, atm CP is for skilled people only. dont expect new comers for now

p.s. Jdog shouldnt be the single person who is getting money. does CP has bug bounties? NO of course not. why? good question. because if it had, there would be a lot troubles solved and we would go for the better for sure. so when thinking to send all the fund to the single person based on the belief that he will do what he said he will do - split the risk. create a fund of bounties and get some other people to work on CP for the better.

i still dont get of what "degrading performance" means lol. we have like 10 broadcast a day, 10 dispenses and few sends. thats all.
that many tx could be handled by note book and handwriting

p.s.s. CP is important to me. i love it and care it. i don't want it to fade away.

Yes, historical numeric assets are taken hostage. There is no reasonable argument for that. They are not even Stamps.

it's a spam man

:D

There are several valuable artworks tokenized as numeric assets, by Scrilla, Robness, Max Osiris and others. They are not Stamps. And it's not even spam art 😀 Some of them were created in 2020 to protest against the censorship operated on some ETH platforms. The situation is a bit ironic...

i was joking :)

you are absolutely right. now those tokens to protest the censorship are censored itself

reality of what we have. "most secure" wasn't that secure at all. that is an eye opener.

actually it does. and bounties exist for CIP's as well.

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/Documentation/blob/master/Developers/bounties.md

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/blob/cip21/cip-0001.md

though i will say much of the docs are out of date and exist from a time when the Foundation still existed

except for the CIP rules

those are pretty iron clad even post Foundation

CIP's continued on long after the Foundation was dissolved

I must say I miss Counterwallet right now. Certainly a basic tool, but generic and neutral allowing you to do simple things quite easily.

gold.

Where is howto for this?

there is not i believe and that is for more advanced bitcoin users, you have to fully understand inputs outputs and such. it would require time to teach someone. but what i wanted to say that even if explorer or FW is censoring my assets i can still use them or do what ever i want as before.

i think this is the JPJ howto >>> https://jpjanssen.com/how-to-reverse-engineer-counterparty-txs/

No howto yet. Time permitting, will write one next week

Updated - 5228 XCP available on verified dispensers

https://xchain.io/tx/acc6f2b74b045208432ab54c7135bfe66a47751300b3528bc71ee28c1d228b2d -- 0.00011700 -- 21 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/e1f50e05d287bf1c7abc8553ea9824f82c259853fe23f53bda83ab1b14a01399 -- 0.00012800 -- 32 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/d5d864043daf9d3b49311c3219e59bfbf2876a98f28eb7cab838c60e5fbaf0b5 -- 0.00014950 -- 500 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/60d72aa19edd43d61f8c115e9fc162e2cdcca1e6a6467aed8eb982fb96407b0f -- 0.00019000 -- 40 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/8f9a332d384d6b234352bb38f81e5cd1da0570d331b24dc53cd47c2b7631b0a6 -- 0.00020000 -- 195 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/28e80b51b31beeb5b0e38d27969b23e8cf5b603d6ecd0618ba64e64e36bcbb5c -- 0.00024500 -- 500 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/011aafed1604a8d730b07400cea94b23514545039359d0a2194eaebd2f31b324 -- 0.00027777 -- 1943 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/c98087b834e56d9446400482a6e0895e6fc0b041b7f464619d62b421925dbdec -- 0.00027900 -- 1997 XCP

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I think testnet is where ppl should fuck around ,,clogging up mempool to learn is spamming main chain

now the price makes it unattractive n a bit silly to test the water

freewallet n xchain has really great testnet support

tXCP is free too

Roger ver would say messin about with free assets just to test on main chain is killing babies

so much good info here ... read the api docs and the related advanced api options n it opens doors!

why these ppl doing this.. using counterparty as the protocol allows .. heretics

Did everyone quit using xchain now,so dead?

xchain is encouraging ppl to buidl

did you not see the block with thousands of broadcasts ?

https://www.xcp.dev/block/820674

spicy

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib/issues/1315

scailing

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib/issues/1318

LOL, typical @teysol tho.

I think perf, not scaling?

the terminology is not super clear. in some sense, scaling leads to greater performance (of the downstream application in particular)

so I just made the tag "performance", which will encompass scaling

So rares and all projects that create named assets, and all subassets can be classed as spam, worthy of antispam/squat xcp fee, but numerics are the only asset class that can't be classed as spam as per current CP position, nice to know.

come again

since when were rares called spam?

fakerares used numerics n that's a fact

None of its spam brother

it's all spam in Lukes mind

spam is a state of mind

Yh I don't dig too deep into dev terminology, but apples and pears

The founders of CP have already clarified that the burning of XCP with asset creation was to discourage name squatting. Not limit usage.

So why fee on subassets where squatting can not occur

Words/actions

Did the founders create subassets?

No

So this fee will be removed?

And all people refunded?

I doubt it subassets are named assets

Who can refund that if you are burning fees? LMAO

Mike

Tbf “fee” is a misnomer

It never was a fee

Call up Damian, he might be able to help

Subassets are numerics

they named numerics yes

All spam

Lol

restricted to named asset owners

only you can make subasset of your named asset

S1 OG Rares Subassets are a thing .. Theo been making them forever

I think even before the og directory closed he had minted some

that's how we roll

Yh I've bought, made, traded all asset classes, fee on all or no fee on all would be logical

I thought named assets were the spam

https://www.xcp.dev/asset/A17286581250176549000

2016

https://www.xcp.dev/asset/A7472184810161621000

2016

seems he just minted numerics back in 2016 as subassets came later

so using numerics for 'prime time' has been a thing for almost 8 years

I remember seeing lots of old numeric assets,7-8 years old

Xcpinata was one

Maybe a dumb question but where did all the numeric assets go from xchain?

yeah they long been used but we pretend they don't or are not for everyone just the cool kidz

@jdogresorg I'm happy to take over the ownership of the various official counterparty properties (domains, accounts, channel ownership, etc.) I know it's a huge burden to bear, and I want to thank you personally for the enormous amount of hard work you've put in managing all of that and more over the past years. 🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️

Awesome! Thank you @teysol … will begin handoff of “official” properties now…. Check ur DMs sir👍🏻

If I had all my numeric assets in FreeWallet where did they end up,where are they stored,we’re they stolen?

They still exist as normal, FreeWallet just isn’t displaying them

Ok thanks,what a shitshow

I’m glad they don’t show up.

The token is the art. Few

Anyone want to sweep a few addresses,can make a deal,not sure I want to hold any assets here anymore

I personally say you should just take a moment and check back in a week, no need to do something rash

Your assets are secured by Bitcoin, equally secure as Bitcoin.

It’s the equivalent of a non custodial Bitcoin wallet provider shut down.

You don’t lose your Bitcoin, you just need to use a different wallet.

Not if I can’t access them

Give a try to rarepepewallet

What’s the address
I may make an offer

Have you tried that wallet?

It’s insane, feels like a high quality iOS app but is web based

I have a rarepepewallet

Not yet is in my task list but I have seen how it looks and is pretty awesome also I trust the dev behind

You can see all your assets there ser

Oh really,I’ll have a look

https://rarepepewallet.wtf/

1BxY5C4kZ2vSe6wTanUPrkAt2xqjXDRsH7 I have this address with a few on it

13XMSZag6tmzMbPhJgHLB32fNksb5ZCzzj this one has a few more in it

Stamps in RPW

I wanted to update everyone that Juan (@uanbtc) has graciously accepted my bounty to get the counterwallet stack updated and working again! For those that are curious, here are the bounty terms: https://gist.github.com/robby-dermody/85ca3125ee1ce96cf1e780f50819c976

do you have any pepes?

https://t.me/Counterparty_XCP/226293

Stop bullying people gmoney

Hello beautiful 🌼 people

As a Counterparty user, I just want to say that @jdogresorg kept the protocol alive while the founders were too busy experimenting with some new flashy chain which proved to not be scalable.

So I’m really grateful to JDog. And if I had to choose between the creators who returned after years of doing nothing and the guy who did all the work to keep Counterparty updated and usable, it’s a matter of Proof of Stake vs Proof of Work.

No disrespect for Adam, but he must really prove himself with actual work. Which is something in which JDog has excelled even when only a handful of people were still issuing and managing assets on Counterparty.

Just my 2 XCP, as I’m the creator of Bitcoin Heads, Leftist Tears, some obscure tokens related to my podcast.

https://t.me/Counterparty_XCP/225354

They are doing really good improvements in performance, and maintance in such small time since they are back

So please be respectfully

Bootlicker.

Updated - 7252 XCP available on verified dispensers

https://xchain.io/tx/d1eaa13f2b6805d430025f4343ea31ade9441087519eb39caaa30ea41b4e953a -- 0.00014200 -- 49 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/6f1a857a0fd0a40ad4b324cfdeb9455f53ecadba86df621e6f94d2298566f97c -- 0.00018950 -- 500 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/8f9a332d384d6b234352bb38f81e5cd1da0570d331b24dc53cd47c2b7631b0a6 -- 0.00020000 -- 195 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/28e80b51b31beeb5b0e38d27969b23e8cf5b603d6ecd0618ba64e64e36bcbb5c -- 0.00024500 -- 500 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/3675e22e1253e432f3257b282c1724a29c71cdda79b003fc3d746d9a582392b5 -- 0.00025999 -- 2068 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/011aafed1604a8d730b07400cea94b23514545039359d0a2194eaebd2f31b324 -- 0.00027777 -- 1943 XCP
https://xchain.io/tx/c98087b834e56d9446400482a6e0895e6fc0b041b7f464619d62b421925dbdec -- 0.00027900 -- 1997 XCP

- As always just DM me if any questions or issues with these dispensers
- Dispenser owners, please DM me with a link to your dispenser to get reviewed/verified

Hi, what wallet should we use now?

What a ridiculous thing to say. None of us would be here w/o him (Adam), and he knows more about Counterparty than possibly anybody on the planet. And I'm speaking as a huge J-Dog fan too.

FreeWallet.io (Desktop version) is the most popular choice and is back to normal

I’m not denying merits, just questioning motivations.

Why did he return now when Bitcoin assets are hot and not 6 years ago when the protocol was a ghost town that needed help?

J-Dog has been here regardless of market action and volume. Put a lot of work and relied on community donations to make ends meet. But now we’re supposed to think he is the bad guy.

1. I don't care as its irrelevant.

2. No, we're not supposed to think that. J-Dog exposed an important problem with CP's infrastructure and has undeniably been a positive force.

I AINT A FAN OF MFERS FORCIBLY EXPOSING THEMSELVES TO ME

Thank you

i do believe it wasn't Adam who was collecting donations and asking funding to do that job.
i do understand that you are grateful. thats okay. i see this a bit different. man got paid for the job he did. thats happening billion times a day. every single day someone getting paid for doing his job.

this voting and discussion should have happened before the "switching off" but not after. because if you do that after- thats ransom.

"relied on community donations" . do you at least understand how much was that????

hate to see when someone talking like it was small money. it was tens of thousands dollars. per year , no? "relied"

me in person alone, sent 3200$ to that "full time" dispenser.
thats months of living. and there were many people who donated. like i said, minimum tens of thousands dollars. thats a good living not "relied" lol

so shortly. He got paid. He did a job. that simple.

JDog’s the fucking man. I’m happy for him and can’t wait to see what he does next.

I’d say 99% of the people here are ecstatic our founders our back and 95% DGAF what you have to say.

No disrespect, just my 2 XCP.

https://youtu.be/JxwvDZatBtc?si=gvPQZgs8NBZZTztd

I love it when a plan comes together!

looks like fees for numerics are winning every poll

all this shows is how contentious of a change this would be

It’s like when Trump was elected

Contentious as in, the swarm of abusive new users who have arrived in the past 9 months wouldn’t enjoy having to pay to continue to abuse the protocol.

contentious as in it would almost certainly create another fork

fuk your feelings Joe 😂

nothing to do with my feelings

its just reality

so do devs have any strategy here

The purpose of the XCP token was spam prevention. Numerics are now being spammed. So why shouldn’t the XCP token be used to prevent spam, like it was designed

that seems very logical

Let’s remove the xcp fee for named assets too then.

it hasnt changed from when jdog handed maintainer duties to me shannon and jp, we focus on db/protocol optimization

Let’s delete the xcp token altogether since no one wants to use it or allow it to fulfil its purpose

thats not true, its purpose was an anti-squatting mechanism for named assets

There were many mistakes made in the creation of XCP, but one of them was not charging numerics an XCP fee

I did not have J-Dog Executing the Fork on my Counterparty Bingo card for 2024

it has evolved over the years to include anti-spam

but numerics used as assets are not “spam” in any sense of the word, they are part of the protocol

its simply usage

The way it’s currently being used, that’s its ONLY purpose. Which is silly since all the top level names for named assets have already been taken. So then let’s delete the token and allow chaos to reign then

Since the XCP token doesn’t matter

Let’s prove this by induction

No there wasn’t. Zero mistakes. Greatest ALT ever created.

how about we just dont do any consensus changes that are contentious

It’s 2024. I can spin up a GPT farm and paint any potential change i (as an individual user) dont like and paint it as contentious. Another critical flaw with XCP - no way to establish consensus when your base token isn’t respected by the devs and doesn’t matter

for xcp holders, pls point to me how adding xcp fees to any area of the protocol over the years has increased its value

What XCP fees have been added over the years?

subassets and sweeps

I see. I maintain that xcp wouldn’t even have maintained the paltry few dollars it’s worth without those

As someone that once bought XCP for $90+ I fully understand why people want more fees

xcp value increases with liquidity not fees

dex usage

its an intuitive feeling that has no basis in reality or empirical evidence

When your base layer token has inherent value, the system that it supports tends to rationally take care of itself. When people work hard to ensure your base layer token has no value - you get fucked up scenarios like this one.

Like playing poker with fake chips. It’s like none of you brilliant coders understands basic game theory

more users tho equals more demand, create a stamps dex that trades in xcp and you’ll see a price increase

Liquidity is destroyed when exchanges drop the token because no one wants it, or wants to acquire it. Liquidity is a function of desirability as well. It’s a self feeding system, but it begins with demand

xcp represents a small subset of value within the system

feel free to spend 100k+ to get xcp listed on your favorite exchange

That a token should be required to interact with the system seems like such a simple issue. People are honestly arguing the equivalent of that we should remove BTC tx fees

no one is stopping anyone from doing this

No one spent anything to get eth listed on an exchange

counterparty is bitcoin

looooooooool

and joe lubin doesnt exist

Because Ethereum incentivizes its holders by requiring itself to interact with its own universe

counterparty is a metaprotocol, bitcoin is its base token, xcp is the platform token

There should be so much xcp in dex offers if people want it to have value and velocity. But people are sitting on it waiting instead of using it

Why should they ever use it? The token is useless. We should remove it altogether then instead of selectively applying it to only certain projects

what?

Remove it entirely from named assets, sweeps, etc

certain projects?

No xcp anymore. Anyone who wants to can do anything they want - like stamps can

"Counterparty as a protocol for peer-to-peer finance does support using Bitcoin wherever possible you can for instance create a new token without spending any xcp."

https://youtu.be/JxwvDZatBtc?t=691

Stamps pay no xcp, neither should named assets

Simple and elegant

i look forward to your fork that removes xcp

2014

numerics have been around for 10 years

I’m simply showing how ridiculous of an argument you are making

what?

And recently have been abstracted to subvert the protocol

true for most of crypto tho

Kathie should likely fork to follow the path she feels is better for a better protocol

who's following that? No one.

or maybe its added more users to the system...

i guess i’ll have to build a stamps dex to demonstrate

wild given the size of stamps community

Stamps users should fork to build what they need to enable their abusive protocol

ofc the other 2 votes are shoe ins for yes but surprised to see the poll siding yes also

7 loud people in this chat all having a 24 hour collective temper tantrum the moment they think their rampant abuse is going to get checked in the slightest

Such a vibrant community

they have everything they need in counterparty

they are part of counterparty

stamps is counterparty

Good then it can pay a small xcp fee too

Welcome to the party

this is like the maximalists arguing that bitcoin nft enjoyoors are not bitcoiners

srsly 5k in the chat could barely get 100 votes kek

This is like the maximalists arguing that BTC should not have a tx fee

Obviously BTC should have a tx fee, and so should xcp

lol

Just shared it in the STAMPs TG in case people were not aware

alot of push in the stamps chat urging folks to vote no also

I have not seen that

😝

“I called for a brigade because the strength of my arguments isn’t good enough on their own” ftfy

you dont want users to vote katie?

just that people should vote, also both sides will have people pusing people to vote yes or no

If we let every Reddit account vote whether or not BTC should have a tx fee; what would happen

Should that be put to a vote?

im honestly surprised gmoney doesnt like numeric assets

That’s how profoundly stupid this whole thing is

he loves numerology

yes i agree this poll and argument is stupid

The fee discussion is more about UXUI than the fee itself. Most new people were onboarded without the fee, and things like sweeping floors and minting would basicly not work anymore if there was a fee added without some kind of automatic mechanic

If numeric assets paid an XCP fee and contributed to the ecosystem, I’d honestly be tentatively excited about them

personally i do like them alot and own many - just of the opinion they should pay the fee as well but respect everyones opinion as well

There is only one reason open debate and conversation is stupid

“If we had to pay to shit in your sink, people simply wouldn’t do it anymore.”

you would risk a fork for that?

Basicly you are asking Stamp people "hey is it cool if we add a fee that breaks everything you built so far"

im just voting based on what i believe - i dont know about forks but would ofc be against that

On top of that, the "free" numerics was always a "see you dont need a shitcoin to use counterparty"

this is why the poll is not how we make consensus changes, for exactly this reason

xcp not a shitcoin its burned btc! Which made this all possible in the first place is my view!

Do you think we should charge patients extra fees because they are using prescription medication off label?

No one ever expected people would mint tens of thousands of numerics at once and grind the system to a halt.

thats the thing, the “system” has not ground to a halt

No one expected people to shove pictures down phonelines

It doesnt matter what people expected, nobody expected people to inscribe dickpicks into the bitcoinblockchain

the system is functioning totally fine

sounds like we need to just wait until the degens money dries up and they move onto the next grift

is the xcp vote over i cant see results anymore

If you make a hammer and someone uses it not how you like, do you add a fee to use the hammer?

thats why you can still use xcp.dev and memepool.wtf, its why rarepepewallet.wtf and rarepepewallet.com is running just fine

So the “system” can handle infinite amounts of stamp creation then? If millions of stamps are created per minute that will be fine? I somehow think not. Xchain was just the first dam to break

its because you dont understand these systems that you would think that

literally no other dev is concerned but jdog

This exactly. And a small anti spam fee will help usher that in.