- 08 January 2024 (1209 messages)
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The reason this is so frustrating is because it’s like you’re shitting in the sink because you can’t figure out how the toilet works
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And jdog is saying, hey you need to start paying to use the bathroom if youre gonna keep shitting in the sink
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The Stamps folks should have this messaging handy. If it affects anyone, it'd be them.
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yea
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sounds like BTNS now. we got the message that spam was not needed here and it was rectified. Now only art related assets on CP with the exception of btns.
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I dont think it was ever about art related or not, as many xcp names have nothing to do with art
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I mean, there is already a system to make fungible tokens right there
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but now we have src and btns
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and xcp
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and numerics
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which is cool, many ways
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there is a sink, a shower, a toilet, and even a bathtub
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Nobody knows what you're saying.
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I'm legally Nobody... tag ELIx11AV Noone... father paid for me not to exist in 2020 new river valley VA... long story! Been online since 92, by 2012 I said am here to pay it forwards for abundance sustainability programming via blogs... I'm talking inside right now the depths of an iceberg, about what the top should look like.
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I am not on drugs
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This is just like a movie
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Time for stamps guys to walk the talk and built useable infra
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What if the sink identifies as a toliet
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lol
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then shit in it, but dont be upset when they close the bathroom to all
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i have big opinions but ultimately if jdog and mysterious aesthetic agree on something, i also agree on it due to liquid democracy and me recognizing they have done an infinite amount more work for xcp than me or you, and so therefore deserve to be able to throw their weight around. if you want to make your own xcp fork, sounds like a good idea for you to do. for example, i may go make xcp++ with its rich feature set and its hypothetical superior usability
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Good luck.
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Get well soon J-Dog, all the best mate.
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Thanks bro... muh girl came over last night n made me some chicken soup... gonna heat it up n gobble some down now 🙂
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FYI... deleted the XCP numerics poll cuz stamps guys just telling their commuinty to come here n spam votes... so, not truly a vote of general CP community... plus, features not determined by votes neway, so silly for me to create poll in the first place 🤷️️️️
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They r so ghey
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Was high in favour for fee prehand
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yeah, general community is... but not gonna have a poll which can be manipulated n then pointed to as "See, we dont want XCP Fee"... cutting that nonsense off
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if this is the case :
"Freewallet uses api.counterparty.io to generate txs.... api.counterparty.io is load balanced between api1 and api2.counterparty.io... both of which will be staying on 9.61.1.... TLDR, Freewallet generates txs using 9.61.1".
then it's not even possible to create a numeric issuance WITH a fee in freewallet correct? -
That’s so lame, poll wasn’t going your way so you remove it who are you PUTINPEPE? 🐸 The Stamp community are users of Counterparty now so who are you to say they shouldn’t get a vote? You’ve really lost the plot this week JDOG.
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Correct 🤣
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Oh, right. Good.
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Stamps users are parasites
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You can make the same argument to get rid of fees.
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perfect. that's all i needed to know. One sec we'll start getting some fee paid numerics
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I know.
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Burn that xcp baby
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damn straight! at least we agree on that
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best thing to minimize damage to your project is to just throw some XCP in your wallets that are registering numerics... that way your numeric will exist on both ledgers regardless... if CP community decides to not go with my 9.62.0... you get your XCP back
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Fair enough.
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just skip to 9.63.0 with fees at 0.5 across the board and on broadcasts is ideal
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From what I read stamp people also don’t have problem paying 0.1xcp for the minting right? So then we just continue with @jdogresorg new version , make it part of counterparty and we carry on happy with only 1 chain and no forking? Or am I getting it wrong. We all need to stay united especially as people talk about other narratives going and counterparty almost forgotten many times in all other debate and what exists on BtC - this has been a fantastic community - let’s bury the hatches and carry forward. Also I would like to hear more from the new people who are carrying forward working on CP @hodlencoinfield @jp_janssen others as well please. I think 0.1xcp is pretty harmless and hopefully if it can be automated won’t be painful to all the people minting stamps as well and they will just pay a little more fees
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I like how you constantly tell someone how to run their products lol
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U said u not a troll, go build
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Yeah, sounds about right.
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why? it's already out of consensus from the core XCP bits
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Playing a game of chicken sets a bad precident. I'm not sure it would make sense to follow for that reason alone. It's always going to be a hostage situation.
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ok with the fee, but cant retroactively implement that fork. happy to add it in the future however.
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What do you mean ?
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@jdogresorg is it possible for you to delay the fork a few days so it can be implemented directly to the protocol
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jdog chain is out of sync with the core CP code. So if we implement the fee even tomorrow (i propose a higher fee) there will still be two forks
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It deployed already
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Right. A clone of J-Dog's PR with a new activation block.
Then J-Dog merges core. -
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I thought you left.
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It seems there is decently good consensus to put some fee on , perhaps even standard 0.5xcp and if there is any way to merge the two chains (if they exist) quickly and swiftly that would be great. Perhaps we reverse the set of transactions between the two time points if possible 🙏🏼 I really want us to be united
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If this is clean enough we do this - @jdogresorg and others to opion if possible
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Stamps is still on the consensus fork as of this moment. There's nothing for us to do. Counterparty community will decide for themselves if they want to play chicken with the protocol or not.
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Ding!
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Yes to both.
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Yes - sort of anti spam measure - so no one could potentially just load up the chain with a bot with no loss to them (in the future too)
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except for the much higher bitcoin miner fee acting as an anti-spam mechanism
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How does that affect src 20s?
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Good idea. You should write a blog post for us then we'll read your suggestion.
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The entire reason for xcp was anti spam. Looks like its working as intended
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Of course you make a great point that we need funds for development too but I don’t know how to address it right now
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none
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NOt at all. Completely emancipated from CP
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put him on quiet time for 1 day... chatGPT ramblings can continue tomorrow... serious talks here now 😛
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New fw allocates donations in the tx fee to help fund devs
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at this point, no.
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except the confusing part about it all being a "Bitcoin Stamp" stilll.. and confusing messaging on if your ON CP or your own thing
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but clarity is coming i'm sure 🙂
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Should have used numerics responsibly imo
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OK, yeah, you're done.
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But I think unfortunately not everyone pays it and I don’t know if significant amounts have raised from it - it will make it more explicit I assume, if we had a approach to pay for small amount automatically for each trade on any trade similar to how an exchange operates. Of course @jdogresorg could potentially share if significant payments have come via the fw donations from new version
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or maybe left support open for "Named Stamps" in the beginning... but they painted themselves into a corner n doubled down with their "free" numerics.... we are seeing, they are not free, there is a cost, which the CP community bears
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Named Stamps exist. You even created a directory. The market decided they weren’t very valuable.
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Tbf no one wants a bunch of spam broadcasts either
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Where do we go from there
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named stamps are supported too at the new indexer
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Named Stamps might have even caught on had the directory not disappeared.
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Yup: Cursed
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Going by how hot Cursed Inscriptions are, I think they might be a hot commodity
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I have automatic donations in freewallet for the past year or so... got about 10k donated over that time from CP community.
About a month ago some chinese ppl discovered BTNS and spammed txs to mint out a token... spammed 50k+ txs... spent over $400k in BTC on miners fees in 12 hours... and I got $10k in donations from freewallet.
Seems pretty clear there is demand for BTNS, as they paid me as much in 12 hours as CP community did in 12 months.
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Sorry we are digressing from the key topic - which is the forking right now.
As I said earlier given there is broad consensus on having some fees, shall we determine how can we merge the two together as soon as possible so no transactions need to be reversed or minimal so we can maintain common face on the twitter and other forums. As @theo also said we need to avoid any confusion as has already started to twitter and other places. Guys let’s just leave the differences between us for another day -
Mike you were bragging in the chat last night about making "way more" then 20K on stamps so your inputs seem disingenuous at best. The argument at hand is what protects XCP in the long run. No problem making money but you seem to be short run focused.
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All good on you moving on, no need to fork and run in the process
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not running... and, fee discussions have been on for a long long time..
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I'm done talking now... i've made my decision and forked... CP community and core devs can decide what is best for "counterparty" and do whatever they feel is best.
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Has it ever been posed that way?
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Paying a 0.1 $XCP fee isn’t going to stop people “spamming”. Let’s just be frank, adding an $XCP fee is just a lame attempt to bring unnecessary friction to Stamps, in the hope that it will slow down Stamps success.
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No I think focus is currently just to have it as an anti spam measure
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Art on Bitcoin goes for thousands of dollars, a 0.1 XCP fee isn’t going to stop it happening. It’s just adding unnecessary friction.
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XCPs friction does act as a spam filter though
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Correct
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Possibly. But, if anything, it patches up this here fork.
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I respectfully disagree. It is an added friction and people can’t just load tons of assets with no cost of the asset creation
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If developers buy XCP, hold it, develop, it does
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agreed, its a very effective antispam
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Meh.
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There is cost in asset creation, miners fees
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It’s so lame you lot still calling stamp art “spam”
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So frog jpgs with a link = fine art
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But stamps = spam
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That's what I wanted to be clear
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Thank you.
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You lot are just old dogs who don’t want to see new tricks
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So be it.
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you said u were the old middle aged man with fat fingers kek
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Wanted to bring the discussion back to this please
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They always have a high miners fees to pay
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I’m not pretending, if you build a company, you would want to hold those shares so when the company grows, so does your wealth.
It’s just common sense -
ya the stamps guys agreed with the fees so where are the devs
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This might have been the case with OP_RETURN pointers, but STAMPS ARE FUCKING EXPENSIVE TO MINT. Like REALLY FUCKING EXPENSIVE.
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Sure. But let's not frame it as somehow going to development specifically.
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It's just going to holders.
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Then let’s just implement the fees, and go on with it?
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Yeah I'm sure they will take well to being bossed around.
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CP community will decide if they want to take that upgrade path.
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Def not my intention
The needle to move XCPs value is minimal compared to ETH
Not saying it’s easy, but Stamps developers seem like they could easily move the needle on XCPs price
So the solution is to hold XCP and move the needle to capitalize off of XCP -
Thanks of course - but I think we are the community. Of course the core devs should opion here as there judgement and views should be very important
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exactly
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thats the thing tho... they desperatley dont want too cause they know its a losing game for them
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I don’t think that’s the case at all
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Losing game? Lol
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It can.
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What's the losing game? Dude if you had any idea of the calls we're taking. We'll be just fine.
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Stampchain I think is proving exponential growth to the point some are desperately trying to anchor on
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If JDog told you a month ago of his intentions why are you all so mad and acting surprised? Why has nothing been developed or built?
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you'll find out lol
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Index and wallets on. Stampchain continues on
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I’m not mad. I’m chilling 😎
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Tbh I’m not gonna waste anymore time in here, putting up a poll and then deleting it cos it wasn’t going your way is literally the furthest you can get from the ethos of decentralisation that we all love. Old counterparty users saying new counterparty users don’t get to vote on what happens with counterparty, is just SO narrow minded and lame. You old dogs would literally prefer people not to use the chain, and just keep it to yourselves, how lame is that. The sooner the new team of devs steer the Counterparty ship back towards a decentralised protocol the better. This has turned into nothing more than the older year kids at school on the playground keeping the football all to themselves. It’s pathetic really. We’re meant to be adults.
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Some of the Stamps guys agreed on adding a fee.
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degens. you can literally tell by just their avatars
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Capitulating to a game of chicken is not the same and I hope you understand why.
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Sure I do. But here we are.
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Sometimes you need to lose the game of chicken, go back home, build energy infrastructure, become energy independent and then avoid future games of chicken.
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Dump the farm and move into the wilderness, might even go vegan
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But it IS a large enough fee for us to patch up this here rift.
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xcp has much less liquidity wont take much for liftoff
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Which is why burning is stupid.
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If we were discussing anything else GMONEY, you would be calling scam for just playing games to pump a token
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It's anti-spam in the sense of nobody knows how the fuck to buy XCP.
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so many of you missing the special godlike qualities in the sacrafice made through proof of burn
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The ents of counterparty. After nine months of deliberation they have all introduced themselves
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It’s not anti spam, it’s anti Stamps. It’s just a lame attempt at slowing down Stamps success. One man’s spam is another man’s frog jpg.
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No stamps is anti fair use of numerics
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the trap was set long ago with free numerics... bait and rug
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You’re just JDOG’s lap dog 🐶
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... Where poll?
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They removed it cos they were losing
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This.
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werent the free numerics to aid in the intended ease of creation and trading in 2014 much like a serialized unit?
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Ser, this is Counterparty.
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now its an issue because too many people using it put a strain on specific portions of third party infrastructure but as far as i understand counterparty itself is having no issues with the assets
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If you find yourself removing polls and trying to say who is and isn’t allowed to vote… you’re probably the baddie lol
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Nor does keeping the fork going.
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basically we are griping about thirdparty software in a protocol based chat
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We’re just asking you to please stop shitting in the sink
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Your right
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That's exactly what Luke would say about putting an image pointer in OP_RETURN. If the protocol allows you to do it: you can do it.
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Well, we're griping about the third-party software that has an essential monopoly on the usage of the protocol with no backup because we done slept.
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we can still shit in the sink, we just cant shit in jdogs sink
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I’m glad you agree we need to implement an xcp fee. Sounds like the debate is solved
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huh?
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Nah we just double teamed your mom 🤣
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Mile high club
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Yeah I never agreed to anything. Fortunately, I'm not in charge either. Stamps is a decentralized protcol
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I will point out ive told people in chats for years now, getting independent wallets and explorers was the priority for the growth and onboarding of larger userbase
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No pilot needed
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If the protocol allows you to shit in the sink, you should be able to. This we agree on. So now we need to change the protocol so at least people are paying for the privilege
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Great. Thank you.
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does the sink shitting hurt the protocol?
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or does it hurt third party software?
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Go for it. Anyone can fork off at any time
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If I can’t use XCP to see my XCP assets because you have coated every available inch of the bathroom in shit, then yes
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Autopilot 🤣
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For me xchain is the only way I know to easily browse xcp. If it falls, most of the xcp infrastructure falls. And you’re no supporting either of those things. You’re not paying tx fees or supporting xchain directly. Why should anyone care what you want?
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you mean if you cant use third party software to see your xcp assets. And it is potentially possible that other third party software might not have the same issues
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But soon your stamps will be able to pay tx fees and be treated like the valuable traffic they are. Win win for everyone
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Remember though, this change won't help pay xchain or anyone else to run infra
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The Counterparty OGs such decent folk.
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He's not an OG.
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I still find it hard to believe that people smart enough to create stamps are upset that their insane bloat makes everything else unusable and they are mortified that the people they’re shitting on don’t want it to go on.
It really does encapsulate the anarcho cap hypocrisy at its finest. A privileged house cat enjoying systems well beyond their ability to replicate or even appreciate, scoffing at the maintainers of those systems and believing they are above it all -
This proposal doesn't pay for it though
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Well I’ve made a proposal that would and no one seems to enjoy it, so I’m done spending good ideas on brick walls
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This proposal stops xcp from being unusuable.
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Stamps people need to pay their own way
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All of this is solved when stamps build their own websites and infrastructure that they can support and shit on all they like.
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Back in my day we paid 0.5 XCP for our assets uphill both ways in the snow
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isn't this what is currently happening
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No, not possible. The stamps teams had collectively spent over 700 man hours *today* being angry in this chat that xcp won’t continue to host their bloat. Leaving zero left for dev work
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You’ve mischaracterized the whole situation. We are still on the Counterparty protocol. We didn’t fork. We’re building. Not mortified in the least. Anyone is free to fork away from consensus at any time.
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It doesn't
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that doesn't seem accurate
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0.5 XCP across the board.
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Hilarious this discussion is being had. With little to no input allowed from Stampchain devs or community....
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Agreed. I’m paying $20 in BTC each fucking tx for instant asset transfer or $10 for delayed. Another few bucks won’t hurt me
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Getting rugspensered might though.
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Which stamp wallets/eplorers can I sell/view rares
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Go for it. I endorse this message for anyone interested in forking away from the consensus.
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Rarepepewallet
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xcp.ninja
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Xcp.ninja
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Ask Roger Ver how his fork is doing. Maybe you two can work together
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Xcp.dev
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Dankset.io
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The consensus is what the devs build, since you’re not mining nor providing anything of value to the community.
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I welcome your stamps fork though
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Wallet.xcp.ninja
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We got more devs.
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I know when I have more devs I spend all my time complaining in the chat room of the protocol I’m leaving instead of building things
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Undermining Stampchain development is lol
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Oh I’m not a dev. I can’t code lol
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Ahhh a fellow ideas guy
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i think you keep missing this point, stamps have not left xcp or forked
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Just a normal day
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Also Stampchain has opened doors to major wallets such Leather, unisat, okx, math wallets
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Which major wallet is in this room even discussing CounterParty
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Stamps team is furious that xcp users want to be able to use xcp named assets. They claim the future is them jamming the rails so brutally that nothing but the occasional stamp spam makes it through. Also. They en masse are complaining about any solutions which prevent free spam from clogging and destroying the xcp ecosystem
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Same thing as 24 hours ago
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When will we find out of CP adds fee, 28 days or so?
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this is the wildest interpretation to date
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To me, this isn't a stamps or anti-stamp thing. I'm opposing a change to the protocol, adding fees supposedly for anti-spam, that very obviously doesn't do what they are intended to do right now. What fresh hell are we opening ourselves up to, if protocol changes not only aren't throughly reviewed, but don't even have to work to get accepted
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This only predicament effects freewallet and Xchain...
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The PR was proposing today 😁
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I made both xcp assets and stamps am I contributing to the spam? Or
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Other then that CounterParty and stampchain are fully functional and have the necessary tools
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JDOG finally started a poll about whether a fee should be added to stop stamps… I mean spam. But as soon as he started losing the poll he took it down and said only people that agree with his opinion should be allowed to vote ☺️
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The same hell you accepted when you agreed to a dumb “let’s burn and set arbitrary fees” scheme in 2014. XCP is inherently flawed because it’s based on burning (dumb) and doesn’t incentivize its own token (also dumb). But it’s what we had in 2016. It’s incredibly centralized by design. We are now seeing the results of that centralization
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You are a criminal
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And lots of us have a lot of value and history stored on the chain - we want to make sure it’s still around in 10 years
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Yes you wouldn’t be eligible to vote on counterparty future sorry
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You do realize that Roger forked off, right?
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This isn’t a democracy
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Migrated to solana
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they are there but hidden
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At pilots moms house
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Can i get robo nft then
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10 Assets in 3 days
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Ouch
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Clean
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I agree on both your points
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Sad anti adoption is the way of most of CounterParty
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All paid the fee
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We all pay Bitcoin fees.
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So we have numeric assets that paid the fee in XCP, but still not on xchain. That's cute.
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Bitcoin is the source of truth
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what the fuck is solana? did you just make that up
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Hillary Clinton’s 2024 campaign
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burn baby burn
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Made b4 stamps
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Honestly I hate stamps but the fee should be set up in such a way that if stamps pay it, they get back on xcp. If the fee doesn’t change the fact that xchain will still choke on stamp spam, then I agree / the fundamental issue with counterparty is that the token is fucking valueless. It would be like trying to run a decentralized historical ledger with the core token not having any value.
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And any attempts to create value for the XCP token are met with the staunchest “WE COULD NEVER” imaginable
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So here we are
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XCP holders should be incentivized to hold and earn XCP in such a way that Xchain should easily be able to sell some of the XCP its earning to pay its server / upgrade bills so it can handle the increased traffic. That’s the future I dream of
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xcp is useful .. its the native currency of the DeX as well as being needed for certain network functions - non numeric issuances dividends sweeps .. safest way to trade a rarepepe is on the DeX - we have had over $200,000 of stolen assets due to people not using the dex
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Deflationary also
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Group A wants XCP token to have no value at all save for burning it uselessly sometimes, and they are unable to see the eventuality of that will destroy the protocol.
Group B wants XCP to be complete feeless and free to use as intensely as they want with no anti-spam measures nor any guard against clogging the rails at all.
Both groups are wrong and annoying enough on their own imo. Infuriatingly enough some people seem to belong to BOTH at the same time -
The Short Circuit II montage of this is absolute fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMm7QA7icbsI Need A Hero - Short Circuit 2Johnny 5 saves the day as he chases down that bad guy Oscar.
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Nah, the montage isn't that complicated.
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CounterParty stays the same. Optimize backend.
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my only question at this point is - who the fuck is buying all this stamp spam? I think a lot of the demand is artificial and just a way to rope in dumb money.
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you'd be wrong
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game of hot potato - who can flip the fastest to the next sucker hoping to flip for more until all liquidity dries up and it goes to zero.
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I initially thought we would run out of xcp by registering assets, then i heard that the fee can be reduced as supply reduces - so the burning of it pretty much has 0 effect on its price or its utility .. its utility remains the native currency of the dex, as well as being required for sweeps dividens and registrations according to the current rules
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there's 1200 members of this chat - would need a lot more then that to keep the stamp ponzi going for more then a brief time.
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only degens and VC's
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There's approx 10k members across the rooms.
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Zero vc funding for all of 2023
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what happened to phockheads and munchkins and most of the other fake rares? most are worth zero.
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Ha! why on earth would anyone need VC funding for this crap?
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Nfa
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Most rare pepes are worth net zero too
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I could care less if people want to make art and sell it but just realize that RarePepe was lightning in a bottle and it's not going to be recreated. Trying to hype and pump and dump all this newer stuff just looks scammy and like a money grab. It just won't work long term.
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wen all of this discussed in the place where Counterparty Improvement Proposals are drafted and reviewed?
https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/cips/discussions
Counterparty has had a place and way to make improvement proposals for almost a decade.
If anybody in the community is not using it and just posting their opinion here is literally spitting into the ocean.....CounterpartyXCP/cips · DiscussionsExplore the GitHub Discussions forum for CounterpartyXCP cips. Discuss code, ask questions & collaborate with the developer community.
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I'm not sure how you figure that - it's not a highly liquid market but there will always be value in rarepepe.
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slow and steady wins the race
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I used the same math to work out the net value of fake rares, danks and the like and concluded the same net zero value
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they are in xcp xhain is not xcp
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Enhancing the XCP Ecosystem: Towards a Stakeholder-Driven Network · CounterpartyXCP/cips · Discussion #129
Introduction: This discussion seeks to propel the XCP ecosystem into a new era—one that prioritizes longevity and prosperity of the entire ecosystem. Beyond transactional interactions, the aim is t...
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Keyuno is doing some amazing testing for Atomic Swaps
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Add 0.10 XCP fee on numerics by jdogresorg · Pull Request #1298 · CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib
This pull request puts a 0.10 XCP fee on numeric assets and activates on block 829,020. Activation Logic 144 blocks/day x 30 days (1 month) --- 4,320 blocks 824,700 current block + 4,320 blocks -...
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Heavy hitters weighing in on JDOG's PR going against
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Require supply to be issued in first numeric issuance · CounterpartyXCP/cips · Discussion #91
I’ve been thinking about ways to limit what I consider “abuse” of numeric assets. Named assets and Subassets pay a small amount of XCP as an anti-spam mechanism. Numeric assets have no such XCP ant...
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Asset Issuances paying only BTC · CounterpartyXCP/cips · Discussion #92
Currently in order to issue a Named asset or Subasset, an XCP anti-spam fee is required. One of the primary complaints I have heard over the years is that "Counterparty requires a shitcoin (XC...
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Fee on Numeric Assets
I suggest adding a 0.01 XCP fee on every issuance (initial and subsequents issuances alike). Also, invalid issuances should be ignored and no longer be stored in the DB. I am against the planned 0.25 XCP fee on numeric assets. Why fee on every issuance From my understanding, the problem lies with the issuances table. Many use cases, like data storage, should move to broadcasts. To encourage this, a fee must be applied to every issuance, not just the first one. Otherwise you can issue an asset...
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XCP Fee on numeric assets
A topic of discussion among the community the past few months has been wether or not to enforce an anti-spam XCP fee on numeric assets. For those who would like to know more about this topic, Bitcoin Uncensored recently discussed this topic here After much discussion with many members of the CP community, it seems that the majority are in favor of adding an XCP cost to numeric asset registrations. This thread is to discuss the following topics. What is a fair price for a numeric asset registra...
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i expect anyone here truly interested in Counterparty Development to:
1. Research the Counterparty Forums and Counterparty Github
2. Understand the CIP process and its history
3. Engage and start to be apart of CIP discussions
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If you did that, you’d learn that JDog has by his own effort and design secured his position at the center for so long that Counterparty is like a personal possession.
An appeal to popular opinion or process under a “dictatorial” system is dumb and naive.
It’s whatever JDog wants to do and maybe some other people will be able to pick up the pieces.
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he aint the maintainer anymore bub
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The irony of one type of jpeg enjoyer saying another type of jpeg enjoyer is "dumb money" lolololol... do you even hear yourself?
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Read what I wrote right below this comment.
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The sacrifice makes it special. So many not understanding first principles
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@mikeinspace
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yes, you were arguing that counterparty should have just shut down in 2017 after the run of Rare Pepe because everything else is a scam
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No I don't think that at all - just the nature of how the stamp folks are going about there "art" is not organic and looks very scammy.
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'scam artists' if you will
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Its very organic. I'm not sure what you're talking about. This isn't like Yuga labs, where the art comes down from corporate, community members (many of which are counterparty artists and Rare Pepe alum) make them
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How?
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there is a fake rare that is also a stamp
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There is Fake Rare Numeric Stamp
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maybe but there's some guy in chat talking about "VC money" and how things are really about to take off, whatever that means
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You guys brought up VC money... I don't think we did... but sure we'll play along if you're going to paint us that way. We've taken serveral calls.
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what is the sacrifice??
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BLOOD OATH
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One was the investment arm of Bitcoin Magazine. Not gonna disclose the others.
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no
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So u guys are just retarded? 🤣
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i'm in Nashville where they're based out of I think, might drop by there office and see what they have brewing.
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Im in Nashville too!
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For taking a call about a possible investment? If you say so. I take at least 2-3 calls a week. Some don't pan out, its about networking and building relationships
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I'm kidding man, I don't care about all of this stuff that much. Just here giving an opinion.
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I was responding to GMoney claiming it was retarded to take calls when building a company
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Things don't just happen, you have to make them happen. Set-up meetings, take calls, follow-up, pitch decks, build relationships...
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Counterparty buy out offer: 1m BITCORN.
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ha! the guy that got muted is still putting emoji's on everyone's comments.
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Call me
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What is the xchain BIN, call the VCs
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Solve the money problem with money
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who has been muted?
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look at the comments and its the same guy putting emoji's - I don't think he can talk because he was spouting nonsense
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Oh wow come back @jdogresorg
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Yes and I'm thankful for his work
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"Is lightning in a bottle" it's just more historic art pieces now , but man it's still So cool. Shit forever on the only chain that matters.
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Did anyone see what decred, thorchsin or something else that can integrate with xcp for some kind of liquid btc dex, or does that go into something else about lightning?
And when is mandelducks games coming out?
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This is why I stepped back from CP dev.... the false narrative that I am a dictator forcing changes rather than just keeping things alive... looking forward to being just another community member who can scream and whine about decisions others make.... all I am forcing now is the community to make decisions on what they want rather than endless talking... and forcing the CP devs to get off their ass and take control of the protocol.... Hate me if you want, but i'm done being painted as a villian... so I'll lean into it... big bad J-Dog Forked the chain... guess you guys better get off your ass to do something.... or, buckle up n come along with me... I got a bunch of cool improvements I would LOVE to put into Counterparty... figure it out and come to consensus fast, lest the features and ledgers between forks differ even more 🤷️️️️️️
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If u forked it all good, I bullieve in you bro (maybe cause I still got all these frog pics and always like CP)
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FYI... clear message up on xchain now... not trying to mislead anyone.. i'm the fork
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5 point harness secured for extra turbulence
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Your right, I made the choice to keep CP alive for 6+ years when everyone else stepped away, and fund it myself... YES, I put myself on that cross... but best believe, i'm off it now!
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I think this is fine. We need something to stop spam. We arnt ducking Jeff garzik with that shit of "filling block space for money"
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And heeere we go
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Okay guys, I’ve pivoted. I’ll now be polluting Twitter instead of Counterparty: https://x.com/alechp/status/1744488606943862874
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good luck reproducing an accurate ledger on reparse with tweets being deleted n all 🤷️️️️
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I’m just the idea guy… it’s up to the devs to figure that shit out
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Shitting in the sink again 🤣
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Let that sink in
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X Stamp #0 on sale for a limited time at just 1 BTC: https://codepen.io/mikeinspace-the-styleful/pen/rNRxooEX Stamps
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One question. Why is this called Counterparty-lib-9.62.0. when that is not a valid version in counterparty-lib release?
https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib/releases
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it is a forked version of counterparty-lib... i've linked to it, and pointed out it is a fork... I've learned no matter what wording I use, no one will ever be happy... especially if you use the word "official" anywhere... thankfully i'm not using that word anywhere on xchain 😂️️️️️️🤷️️️️
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Remove the word "official" from social media · CounterpartyXCP/cips · Discussion #97
Lets promote decentralization by not claiming to be the "official" source of data for anything other than the PROTOCOL repository. Looking specifically at: t.me/CounterpartyXCP But then t...
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Wow u guys are terrified
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meh just getting clarity for everyone. that's fine
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1 BTC?! are people really paying this kind of coin for this nonsense?
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IVBO hitting that fork block available now for 2.1 XCP per
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Okay, fuck. So someone just bought a rare pepe from me and I sent it on rpw.wtf..... did that tx happen on the JDog fork or on Counterparty Classic
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both... unless they bought it with numerics
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Now I'm worried that I may or may not have sent the asset someone paid a shitload of money for.
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Named assets unaffected
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Okay wow
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wait
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OH WOW
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JDOG
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All I know is all of this is not bringing together this community but driving wedges between individual people that have differing views and that’s frustrating because when we are getting new attention it looks like nobody knows how to fuck a football
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Thank you for not making things painful for us rare pepe slingers
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how does one fuck a football exactly?
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it may look that way... but decentralization is messy... centralization is easy... counterparty community wants decentralization, this is what it looks like
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The fact that the process is invisible for named xcp assets makes me extremely happy; damn I was sweating for a second
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Decentralization of a protocol does not equal fracturing of a community imo and this looks a lot more like the later than the former
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Most of them use blur or looksrare
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Honestly the stamps losers are rarely in the other xcp chats
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when you decentralize a protocol yo do it on a organized day dont wake up a day and says lets go fork this and decentralize it
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My buddy looks exactly like this and had a huge hernia that nearly killed him, was in the hospital for months
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