responsible spam is a thing ?

10k in 60min sounds responsible

Jajajajaja

I get more confused as time passes

whose in charge of when its my turn to make a numeric?

Anyway your free to hold your opinion, and so am i

This is the real issue - “you will bleed xcp dry and move on”. The entire controversy is being caused by people who will happily spam the protocol into unusability for six months, make a few bitcoins of profit , and then move on and say - shame shame.

Meanwhile the people (namely person) who is doing something to preserve the protocol and protect it is being attacked and harassed - it makes no sense. Anyone who wants xcp to survive should quite obviously want the primary tools we use to interact with it to survive as well.

true ... I like to try n understand other ppl opinions but when its illogical I will ask questions

Counterparty has been working as designed perfectly well, xchain hasnt

How is it illogical, Mike in space agrees with me

I keep saying, you have a point, I'm not concerned at all, but your not "pure bitcoin" and you could have used xcp

I agree it’s mostly marketing. I work in marketing. I know psychology

that numerics are to be looked
at but not touched

if that was his position we would not be here

Should pay a fee like the rest of us, you want to claim to be btc only and not a "shitcoin" then build your own protocol

I not claiming anything

I got a xcp bag if that helps lol

We bootstrapped on counterparty because that was the quickest path to get to market particularly on zero budget.

but I didn't buy it just traded for it

I member we made pepes n traded em for fun ..times change

Most of the people spouting this stupidity weren’t even around to remember when the first primary xcp block explorer went down and never came back. That was scary as fuck. Suddenly you couldn’t easily verify asset transfers or ownership or anything. One maintainer has kept this protocol alive with arguably the single most essential service a blockchain can have, and people who have never built or maintained a thing for xcp are angry they can’t shit in his sink for a little profit and then laugh as they walk away

My only point, is I think there should be a fee on numerics, not bothered about all the politics

Is a shame that we have lost jdog, and we will all now see how that unfolds

I'm neutral in the XCP fee tbh, I find it useful for *potential new things* that may appear (I think first src20 design on top of counterparty didn't make much sense, there made sense), but in terms of art stamps I don't think it's very effective:

1. It's adding a $0.5 fee on top of something that costs already +$40
2. It definitely adds friction to new users that can come to counterparty through STAMPs.
3. Minting services could definitely take care of the XCP burn making it transparent for the users, so not really a big deal (majority of the STAMPs dev community wasn't against the fee at the end)
4. Unless something is designed to do with that XCP as was told in here (bounties, grants) the burn only benefits XCP holders, not the network
5. Art stamps are as valid in terms of protocol and tools as any other named asset

In terms of why they are not paying XCP fee, well protocol was like that when they appeared. Obviously that scenario allowed STAMPs to appear easily without friction, but those were the game rules at that point, so no misuse

If affective or not, we all burn xcp to create assets, no1 should get a free ride on mass use

The XCP fee is in place for named assets because they are finite, it is anti-squat not anti-spam. It doesn't make any sense to transfer this to numericals.

so you burn btc to feel good ? about using it ?

And the counter-issue with all of this is every time someone brings up - “well let’s incentivize xcp holders and stakers” it’s met with pitchforks because how DARE there be any incentivize to holding or valuing XCP. It’s like people are intentionally trying to create a tragedy of the commons and it’s stupid.

It’s the equivalent of getting self righteous when someone suggests that Bitcoin miners should be paid in bitcoins

or do you fre ride on my node?

Well it's been up for discussion for a long time, and everyone that's now spouting no fee, voted for a fee

Changed their mind with the times I guess.

Nice to see how quick people jump ships

I'm fine with incentivizing holders and stakers, but I'm not sure that's gonna go towards benefit the network and the tools as it looks it didn't do it all these years (not appearing any new explorer or wallets)

it was never about the fee . did you read the chat logs jdog posted?

Also in terms of growth also there's the question of what we want counterparty to become, if we just want to maintain the status quo definitely STAMPs are being reactionary as any new thing. But if we expect counterparty to grow and get to more people, 250k assets in 10 years is nothing when you compare to how ordinals has grown

Obviously growth brings complications, to infrastructure, to platforms and tools, that is important to be taken care of

can someone point to where in th spec spec/code it says only 1 free numeric per person per day?

2022 - .... though i have never heard of it - its kinda cool

def notable

I've been here less than 3 years and I haven't seen the level of development as near as I've seen with STAMPs, just my two cents

It's been all positive? well obviously no, cause new things always bring changes and I don't know any technical development that doesn't face challenges

It's net positive overall? I think yes

I think the proposal was debated and it was rational, I don't argue against the fee. But I also think that STAMPs (and/or approach to counterparty from new users, whatever the flavour) happened because the friction of getting XCP dissapeared

Positive for stamps yes

But is also reachability to named assets for new users

Now CP bends over to what stamps want, postoffice coin here we go

stamp lives matter ..is that what we doin now ?

a rising tide lifts all boats

wallets like leather integrated STAMPs, so they are as close to integrate counterparty assets (WE HAVE NEVER HAD THAT LEVEL OF EXPOSITION)

Not the British, they sink opponents

and platforms like xcp.ninja is a full counterparty explorer, or myself integrating them to pepe.wtf makes people who comes to STAMPs see the counterparty collections

being British and building dex app for stamps I find that nonsense

So a rising tide carrot makes no sense also

I get a feeling I may be only one building dex app for stamps

xcp dex app?

that is an untapped field - stamp for stamp trading

a progressive Web app in Js to trade some stamps on DeX

stampdex

can't help but open source it as its html js too

I'll get in trouble now for saying 'xcp satoshis' just watch

next thing ya know all projects will have custom wallets ...blame rpw

counterpart seed bip39 seed wif signature login anyway you like IDC

XCP.ninja seems promising if they complete the directory (images, etc.) and if we get full confidence regarding security in the use of the ninja wallet.

But whats the objetive of the fee its where there IS a disagrement
1. Reduce usage or "spam"
2. Pump token price
3. Use It for improve and sustain the ecosystem.

Once we agree here I think we can move on. But first come building the basic Open Source infraestructure that was requested by J-Dog for years.

To be inlign with how we've been creating assets for years, on the same argument you present we should ditch fees on named assets

Most of stamps teams where here at the begining because we were users of CP. So thats why we all want the whole CP to shine.

Yeah I think it acts as an explorer but flavoured, kind of more platform than explorer if that makes any sense (I would love counterparty to have an opensource explorer, neutral and not focused in revenue but then we need to organize funding for that), plus wallets should be ideally opensource (but I also wonder how many people have really checked ever freewallet codebase 😁)

And it is my understanding that numerics were for new users to get accustomed to making assets, not for freeloading 10k pfp projects

And if ever needed a fee would be implemented, well now is that time

testnet good for n00bs

it cheap unlike mainnet no one paying to fuck up

Don't know, but knew that would be ur answer, I see u gave some test net tokens away, seems complicated for a new user

"I hate to think" was a early stamp

Yeah, this wasnt the case when they started. And the reason why It market so well was because BTC only, believe or not.

I personally agree with the fee, but why not doing It in a way that keep the user friction as its now. And also use that to boost the ecosystem.

As I said before, I dont know why cant we use the fee to develope and sustain the Network + burn a bit if an important sector wants this.

A 2$ fee its nothing for Stamps. And the fee suggested was 0.5$ in xcp.

Shit in the sink and find out

If Leather does not limit itself to BIP39 and also accepts Counterwallet format, this is a possibility.

freewallet is same on test as main 100% except for burn for txcp

Well paying already 30-100$ in BTC...

How do you acquire the test net tokens?

burn tBTC for tXCP and use same

don't you dare make a free testnet numeric

Yh is a shame the btc play protocol creators couldn't create the protocol without CP, instead now we are where we are

We are working with them to onboard Stamps, we did the same with Collab Land... So New tools are looking at Stamps and thats one step Closer to all CP assets. I cant see why having a troyan Horse throught Stamps to bring New tools to CP can be bad.

How do u get tbtc, and you think new users know this?

I learnt that in school in thr 70s

I didn't say you

"New users"

we all new once upon a time

I like that It was done in CP to beging with. O wouldnt like a world with Stamps out of CP... Thats why Im not into Ordinals, also I like UTXO much better.

put some effort in

Nah, not into post office coin

like anything in life the grass is greenest where you water it

I help n00bs .. was a guy called Juan you may have heard he built xcp.dev

we stand on the shoulders of giants and are very grateful

we choose to go to the moon, and stamp some tings, not because it is easy but because it is hard

Spot on BOB

🙏

Integration would be a lot closer if stamps did not ignore aspects of the counterparty protocol and used fields as intended.

But STAMPs art is actually using them all, except for the fact of keeping the first issuance for the art (on their own explorers) not sure what differences are

src20 was a different story, but that's out of counterparty already

Like which one? Im not sure to get what are they ignoring. Same with using CP as intended, if its for the fee in numerics It wasnt done at the begining because It didnt exist, so IMO It used CP as intended.

Also there is a way to create stamps without CP, and It also help to do PSBTs in a much easier way. But most of us dont want to fully go out CP. So LOVE having this convers to try to see where IS everyone at and move alignining interest and POV of what we want for CP future.

This.

FALSE, cp was used because was free

I agree with that take either.

And then why we used Bitcoin instead of Cardano 🤣

Don't give Mike the best protocol creator any more ideas

XCP is burnt BTC, some think its a shitcoin - i think they need to go back to school

Stamps think it's a shitcoin, or so that the thesis

named stamps says otherwise

Mike says otherwise

he can say what he likes

I agree, but school people takes time and money, and there arent even resources to incentivate development. But I agree, this could be something to work with the general public, if this wasnt the perception of people outside CP we wouldnt be having this conversations.

People have been confused about ‘stamps’ from the beginning.

Not a true protocol. Not open source.

Fake and Ghey

Basically a half fork of counterparty.

Yes he can claim btc only protocol, and that stamps couldn't use the "shitcoin", I can also say as I want, and so can you

https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/e25bfec9161b23ae87d00c6e441f15b319f6f8b1fcdfe297b648393b257f5fc8

This is a counterparty asset (also a named stamp), identified as such in blockchain.com

How do you consider it a fork?

very true as well as OS tools we need good educational materials

aren't stamps more of a directory ?

bitcoinstamps is a directory

you can stamped named assets but no directory

Noun, verb, adverb adjective.

Hence the confusion.

no one is confused

Was the burn 1:1? If not, was it a static ratio or did it change over time? I don’t know the answers so I’m just asking to have a better formed opinion on the matter.

This. Not a protocol.

i think it was fixed but not as 1:1 we need a Pre OG to answer that or look it up in the repo

stamps are more of a protocol than a directory though

I have named made stamp

the token, or the protocol?

Confusion can create markets…

Rare Pepe Protocol: what the scientists admitted into the directory. A protocol is merely a set of rules

https://www.xcp.dev/asset/NFINITY
https://bitst.art/NFINITY

i dunno, but todays a big day for bitcoin, hope everyone has stacked as much as they could

Not in IT world.

are stamps a convention ?

ok

stamps are just numbers and letters

We last had this exact discussion before you were asked to leave the productive dev chat.

I wasn’t asked to leave I was kicked out thank you

Right

Is a hotdog a sandwich? That’s what this protocol discussion reminds me of

Is a pop tart a ravioli?

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/Documentation/blob/master/Basics/FAQ-XCP.md
it wasnt fixed it seems

Which one gets free ketchup

Ahhh… so maybe it didn’t retain the scarcity of burned vs new units

Each BTC was automatically exchanged for a number of XCP between 1000 and 1500, with more being rewarded the earlier the burn took place.

The reward bonus decreased linearily with the block index.

Each address was limited to 1 BTC.

Hmmmm…

I don’t want to be inflammatory but now I have a very strong opinion about xcp

is all before my time .. i just know proof of burn is said to be valid consensus mechanisim and i cool with that

We all await your great wisdom

ita not a pre mine - its not a instamine which was how shitcoins launched

eth was a premine

I will respect the room

It also wasn’t a 1:1 static ratio

Not like you to not stamp your opinion in our brains

xcp had ultility too thats why i educated myself on how to use it

Easier to read: https://docs.counterparty.io/docs/basics/what-is-counterparty/an-incentivization-token/#how-was-xcp-launched

TIL lol .. i dont think it changes anything

If I burn 1 sat and create a gazillion units on the other end, I don’t see how the argument that it maintained scarcity holds

Come on, tell us why some of us are wrong and you are right

Again...😂

back then people burnt whole coins - but yeah i know bitcoins dont exist its only sats and they dont exist either

Stamps are a hybrid collection (xchain green banner) that uses specific previously known techniques of creating a counterparty assets. The assets include data in the description (not new). In order to be in the collection, you must follow the stamp rules. However per mike, named stamps are not included in the collection (because he thinks xcp is a shitcoin etc). The confusion comes when the smart people in the room decided a named stamp was better, also included data in the description, thus creating a named stamp. I believe a named asset w base64 is the way. Terminology and wording is a big limitation to communicating the issues. Stamps specific websites are ignoring the counterparty native database fields for their benefit.

My mistake: I was under the impression that it was a 1:1 static ratio and that heavily informed my opinion of xcp all these years. I should have investigated myself rather than buying the meme

I just want to add in here, interrupting, that besides all the drama and chaos, I've never seen counterparty so alive and active with people, even with different and faced visions, discussing about the protocol and tools and wanting to take care of it. Sorry for the interruption, continue with the melee

https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterparty-lib/blob/master/counterpartylib/mainnet_burns.csv

not everyone burnt whole coins

If you did you should be called a ‘whole coiner’

Like you didn't know numeric assets weren't for mass use, "I'm the greatest but i don't know anything"

I think 2100 btc were burned for xcp

Let’s say I start a new shitcoin through a ceremony that burns a single sat. I guess it’s not a shitcoin?

Why you putting pointers in the description field. Didn’t you know that’s not what it’s meant for?

Depends of the usage

Depends .. does it have any utility - like being a native dex token or antisquat

Sure

Why we paying xcp for named assets, didn't for test

XCP was absolutely necessary at the start of Counterparty

Thanks to pepecash then dispenser, it became less necessary with time

What's funny is that most "utility coin" on ETH aren't that useful or necessary

Because you can use ETH instead in the contracts, and enforce its use

But you can't do that with Bitcoin

ok cool - i expect i would burn mint some if it was the first of its kind - but as its a copy of something i think i would seek the original one with most market effect

Counterparty without XCP wouldn't had worked

I guess it depends on one’s definition of shitcoin

Shitcoin = useless economic gimmick

The rationale that xcp wasn’t a shitcoin is that it’s burned bitcoin so it didn’t reduce the scarcity of bitcoin. But it seems more units were created than destroyed.

yeah seems it inflated btc units - by making some more divisible than other

Not only that.

The creation was fair

This is important part - shitcoin creation was to enrinch you and your team

I don’t care, I’m talking about those who care about shitcoins like maxis. I have no issue

But imo the most important part is that anti-spam and DEX "BTC"

You can't use correctly BTC on Counterparty DEX

So you needed an "ETH" of counterparty protocol

To a maxi anything not Bitcoin is a shitcoin

"fair mints" are a very recent technological development on the btc platform - they mimick xcp creation in that each "mint" has a limit

A toxic clueless bitcoiner

XCP is not Bitcoin :)

So all of them

Most bitcoiners I know aren't toxic lol

I’m on twitter too much. You’re probably right

I think it is fair to say XCP is born of/from bitcoin

They're just too vocal on Twitter yep

twiiter - lol

the real toxic maxis are on Nostr now a days i thought

It’s the No True Scotsman thing

I allways like a good ad!

And they also understand the basic need of a token for a protocol like Counterparty

(even if they like nothing but pure Bitcoin ^^)

Well they would argue you’re just shitcoining by making NFTs

they sure do - go on Nostr they hate NFTs

i think they hate nfts as much as we love em

It has become a parody at this point. Very embarrassing.

Particularly when it extends out to other aspects of life like diet and sunblock

sunblock nfts - too much twitter

The dex is so cool, I can’t believe we don’t make more of it

I remember going to a diner with bitcoin "maxis" a few years ago, I was the only one not taking meat xD

the real bitcoiners don't care about anything like this. People like Pieter Wuille are the real maxis

https://x.com/jdogresorg/status/1745433283369038133?s=46&t=o_EQdmm__U4ID_sXW2Hwpw

1. I am not a 'core dev' (btw for non-developers 'core dev' refers to the developers of Bitcoin Core. it's not a superlative for cryptocurrency software maintainers...). 2. no one owes you any explanation for how they spend their time, what they do, or why they do it.

If people spent 1/10th the time actually trying to accomplish what they demand others do for them for free, think of what a neat platform Counterparty could be!

No we just need to be like stamps and demand what we want, seems to work

And be abusive and threaten fork when told no

lol. they developed a standard way to parse data in the description field of counterparty issues and built a bunch of tools around it. afaik it required precisely 0 changes to counterparty.

Exactly this. It's better than anything that currently exists on Ethereum

What demands are you referring to? We are using the protocol as defined. We are not asking anyone to do anything.

We never threatened to fork. Were using the protocol

Welcome to post office coin, brought to you by mike

'post office coin' is a *particularly* unimpressive burn.

the equivalent of 'Stan Darsh', for any south park fans out there.

Messages get written to op_return. You are free to parse those messages or ignore them. You don’t own the Bitcoin blockchain

About as impressive as the current amount of xcp burns for numerics

You made a bunch of veiled threats, warnings that asset holders would be harmed if u didn't get your way

But I like it

We don’t have to get our way. Our way is to write messages to op_return which you are free to ignore, this is all a voluntary system

Your campaign has been effective, postoffice coin can now rebrand

I do think that things got a little heated and there were some threats of forking off... but you didn't. and your project doesn't control key infrastructure.

Sure, and nobody could ever stop that, but I'm not telling any lies

Things are ticking along just fine. I encourage you to check out xcp.ninja

This ... he replies to people on reddit too with good answers

Pieter is brilliant

I will say this - Mike got the marketing just right for bitcoinstamps, he used the Counterparty protocol exactly as it was designed

I’m a marketer by trade 😉

I no fan or src20 even tho they use a idea i helped to come to light

Maybe you can help me with my project ... i now know who to ask

Same. I don’t like them either. But the market does

How do I buy postoffice coin?

yep, very cool!

wtf is postoffice coin - bloomin degens

Transmutation. Alchemy.

it seems so - its solid tech they using

Since I can’t mint this here’s a freebie

this is an incorrect recapitulation of the history. the idea was, as with the btc block reward, early counterparty minters would get more xcp/btc than later.

don't recall but i think it decremented from 1500 to 1000

yep!

list of burns can be seen here:
https://host2.xchain.io/burns

Do we have a time for this, it’s not showing? Atleast for me I see no time.

Another one , right click save,

21:00 UTC

I also want to say @jdogresorg man i hope your good and feeling better .. we dont always agree but your work ethic has been outstanding. As i said in some less populated room I think you took on too much .. I think I understand what you were doing, I dont agree how it was done but I hope after some rest your back smashing it out the park. Maybe one day I get to see dispensers dispensing millions of tokens and will happily pay xcp fees for it!

yep Counterparty quite simply wouldn't be where it is today with Jeremy's work over the years. And he was right: too many things were expected of him.

So far, all I know is xcp.dev

Stamp companies and stampers using numericals and a random indexer have ignored counterparty database/protocol fields while using other named fields for other purposes They have already dug their hole, forged their side chain, forked their mother or whatever term you want to choose. I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop.

And freeloaded on CP to get there

To clarify, I had stamp #150 but the indexer got confused. So I’m waiting to see how rare I am in the stamp world.

no one's freeloading on anything lol. the btc blockchain is the most expensive database in the world

Xchain & fw down until the community self regulates the shitcoiners spamming the network

This does not stop the blockchain.

and the utxoset is the icing on the cake

Bob gets it.

We bootstrapped on counterparty because that was the quickest path to get to market particularly on zero budget.

Yall playing checkers 🤣 this is chess

i used to eat icing as a child - now i pick it off - oh how time n things change

xcp.ninja

Doesn’t work in dev fren.

But is the same as if any of the collection, Rare Pepes, Dank Rares or Fake Rares would have needed or expected to create their own protocols for the collection

When fee on numerics?

This is such a stupid take. They literally used the protocol as it was allowed.

People keep saying X with absolute no reasoning besides Spam!

We might need to if no frw/xchain

But there was, same case as stamps

But we paid fees bruv

Literally STAMPs has used the protocol cause it was able to do so, I cannot understand how there can be a question toward how it appeared, I can understand the talk about numerics now (or when it was taken post-stamps)

Yh the fee should have been implemented sooner

Shows the level of domestication in here. How many times are u going to get kicked in the nuts before you stand up

But pandering to stamps gets us here today, post office coin

STAMPs as collection doesn't ask for any fee, Dank Rares, Rare Pepes and Fake Rares do.

Only the btc you spend on minting

Maintainers like Joe Looney even agreed with this

So the goal IS to make It equal in price to other assets? To reduce "spam"? To pump xcp? Or what?

I’m not disagreeing with a fee, but regurgitating the same thing over and over is stupid when the protocol allowed it

fake rare literally wouldnt exist if not for rarepepe

No, no, I mean there is a fee to be accepted in the collection

PEPECASH - FAKEASF - DANKMEMECASH

which is fine, and everybody understands it

The goal is to implement a fee on numerics as now it is required, 10k issunces in 60 mins

ahh i was referrring to the fact it fake rares was a rarepepe meme

that dude with the jacket

I think he means development and infrastructure

Degenaracy

But we understand that will not stop the 10k issuance no?

I am fine with the fee, just to clarify

Abuse / freeloading same

But a 0.1 fee IS not going to stop It... We paid 2k$ + 0.1xcp fee the other day lol

Yea that’s 10,000 uses of the protocol in 60 minutes, sounds horrible people are using CP so much

Well adding fee to named assets didn't stop.named assets, but that's how we have been doing all this time

So then agree to the fee

I spent $14k minting these -> https://thepixelkarens.com/

Bought 30 XCP by then cause the fee was on the talks

And made it back right

You have a problem

Many

I agree.

burn xcp burn btc - do it with purpose is my motto

again, i'm personally somewhat in favor adding a fee to numeric issuanes, but a tiny xcp fee on top of the huge btc fee necessary to write to the blockchain isn't what would block a project like stamps.

Just use postoffice coin

This is where the problem IS... Not many people disagree on the fee.

So then get your stamp people to come together and cooperate with us

It’s not that hard

There isnt a mfer alive getting rich off 0.1 burn increments dawg. You gotta find a side hustle or something if you need the bag.

what is that a src20 ? i dont keep up with the degens

So why u mad then just do it

We are, already in many chats together.

this explains nothing

Put in a bit of effort son

We have to aling in the way the fee IS paid and how Is used.

lol

For me the fee is fine if there's a sense for it, grants, funding, I don't fucking know, but putting that dollar fee on top of a +$30 or +$60 cost is not gonna stop anything, neither benefit anybody rather than bagholders (that is not network, neither tools, neither development)

Not in pay the fee or not IMO

Had a beer with him and mandelduck in Tokyo a few years ago, the guy was really down to earth and smart without trying to be/look smart.

The fast he is from Belgium is probably related too lol. They know how to manage a country without a government there, they have patience 😂

which is fine, bagholders deserve to be granted perpetually for being early. CMON

Mandelduck another giant here .. takara anyone

If there is a proposal to use the fee to improve something, just please lets work on it

Sarutobi Island is his most impressive achievement imo

A game that was years ahead

The question is, what is the REAL goal of the fee for the people that defend It here (not Stamp people).

Stamps guys can still front run the xcp burn. This shitcoin hasn’t moved in ages lmao

But if not I just don't see why the reason if it's not gonna benefit or stop anybody

They can literally pump their own bags at the same time

i didnt play it much .. sarutobi was brilliant .. but for me takara was the best bitcoin app

putting nyan pepes in peoples gardens - pure magic

Sarutobi Island. RPG game with lots of crypto fun and where you could use your XCP assets to create monsters

Years ahead in the idea of what NFTs could be used for. And crossed game

the biggest argument *against* an XCP fee is that XCP is very difficult to buy. if the people who are demanding the protocol be changed in a backwards-incompatible way redirected their energy to getting it listed on a major exchange, that might help!

xcp easy to buy in dispenser

it's illiquid

IS funny, those that demands the fee cant say the goal they want with It. The fee proposed is 0.5$, I say that 2$ of a fee IS nothing for Stampooors. But lets share how this fee should be used. Then move on into implementation.

no comment on that - but its soo simple its unreal

So why are u complaining just do it

Because I saw you do It 😎

I'm not for a fee for numericals except maybe sub-assets (that are "too expensive" in xcp imo)

Named assets are too cheap in xcp at the same time

Used same as named assets, not that hard bruv

Agreed

You are correct but dispensers, as the very astute B0B Smith mentions, are very easy to use. There is even a voluntary maintainer of 'trusted' dispensers, @Niftyboss1, who does such a thing.

Plus the ethos of XCP not being listed on major exchanges is kind of pirate-like, and I like it that way 😅 not sure how many agree tho

Named assets should be like a domain, as a way to reference collections

What do I burn for postoffice coin?

lol that's all fair enough and I may have spoken out of turn (sorry @B0BSmith!) but I don't understand why people who are clearly quite invested in having XCP appreciate spend their time fighting here instead of trying to get exchange support for XCP.

Fair point

link me and ill figure it out

There's ya link

i still dont get it - i am retarded

Name asset already exists, where is the market? Where are the devs teams? If you have many you should be the one investing to build that market. I would do It myself if I where in your position.

Fake rares and dozens of collections? 😅

No you are not using the protocol as defined. We determined that in other chat a few days ago and agreed by your devs. Ignoring issuer field and description re: locking. ‘Running a different indexer’

You are the fork.

issuer and description are being used.

Lol

lol

Numerics already exist, Mike didn't create them, when you have 10k numeric assets minting in 60 mins, that's a sign that the fee discussion is long overdue and past critical point

That said named asset with art in it its way cooler! But for people outside CP It dosnt sound that sexy. So or someone invest in education or nothing.

Lol true, I was narrow minded talking about Stamps.

free numerics always seem like they had an expiration date once we matured.

time to put your big boy pants on

Yeah, fee was always option, then the main people voted for fee

the lack of expiration in counterparty asset name space is good thing

Fee for what?

Whats the goal

POLL RESULTS

XCP Fee on Numerics?
---
55% = Yes, 0.25 XCP
16% = Yes, 0.5 XCP
10% = Yes, Discuss
19% = No

XCP Fee on Numerics (YES/NO)
---
81% = YES
19% = No

What Should Fee Be?
---
55% = 0.25 XCP
16% = 0.50 XCP
10% = OTHER

Activation Block
---
790,000 = Current block
+ 1008 = 144 blocks per day x 7 days
---
791,008 = Activation Block

It appears that general consensus is to institute an 0.25 XCP Fee on Numerics at block 791,008.

@hodlencoinfield Agreed?

Imo, that's the main problem of XCP "pricing"

so fee should be .25xcp

Named asset are way too cheap

even better

Deffo

and fees on sub assets are too expensive

agree with that

Who let marketing into development?

named = 0.5 XCP for a lifetime domain

sub-asset = 0.25 XCP for a sub domain (normally 'free')

ya this could be .1

If paying fee in 6 months well be talking again because there are another 5 10k collections.... The only thing that the fee does based in what I read here IS to pump xcp, which IS fine, but It cant be the main reason. Because well have this conversation again and again every christmast.

Mike "The Hype" in space

Mike Satoshi

and named asset should be like 5 XCP

Nothing wrong with that

We would see XCP appreciation with the right pricing of named assets

Fees to be adjusted as relevant, supply price etc

still confused.
what impact does anyone think a fee on numeric issuances will have?

(whoa, there's a 'moderator' here - ha)

Cos its all about the Art right?

I'm not a fan of a fee on pure numerics, it's sub-par subassets

Then don't have numerics

If there's a cost attached to something, then a fee should be paid, not rocket science

we have already numerics with a fee, that's sub assets

But we are skipping the factor that there is not

I think the purpose of the fee is the limited nature of a namespace

agree with this too

Someone is talking sense

So one numeric pays a fee, another doesn't, discrimination

yeah one get a human readable label

you pay for having a recognizable name

something unique

No numeric discrimination on post office coin plz

Asset-ism

that you can put in a collection

subassets are hated on it seems n i dont know why

but right now, named numericals are too expensive

i think this changed w/FLOONEYBIN which has a beloved set of sub and sub-sub assets

(yes there are sub-sub assets )

they are too expensive. That's the main problem

They are cheap

why using a sub asset when you can pay 0.5 XCP for a whole new domain?

i dont think they are ..i found the multisig utxoset encoding was the expensive part when op_return too short - i am an op_return maxi really

no starting with A .. limited to 12 chars .. subassets have benefits

I expected a few years ago that subassets were used to create new artworks for example

ARTIST.my_art

but most artist just create new named asset

Sub asset of a rare has value, in future sub assets have value to older assets

I have lots of subassets but marketing not my thing

wrong pricing is the cause

You bring up a very good point

Here’s how I initially felt personally

I hated how Stamps did not recognize names

At the same time, they didn’t recognize XCP

The purposely excluded both

I’ve been here a longtime, unsuccessfully trying to grow XCP

Most of all of us have

We finally had someone who pulls it off and then excluded everything that made me love XCP

I always thought when someone hit it big, we would all celebrate together but that didn’t happen

FROK!

Fame over Family

I thought all pepes were frenz

My frustration on this was mostly the censorship of numerical assets that also had a name (called sub-assets)

Using Counterparty without using what makes the protocol interesting

this is history along with bad hair day in my book

Named assets are finite with words having a rarity of some quality, the point of the cost is to some degree anti-squat. However numericals don't. The same argument doesn't transfer over.

We are using a protocol without change the consensus so is not a fork

you are exploiting protocol as a hostile takeover

this. And sub-assets are numericals and infinite too

POLL RESULTS

XCP Fee on Numerics?
---
55% = Yes, 0.25 XCP
16% = Yes, 0.5 XCP
10% = Yes, Discuss
19% = No

XCP Fee on Numerics (YES/NO)
---
81% = YES
19% = No

What Should Fee Be?
---
55% = 0.25 XCP
16% = 0.50 XCP
10% = OTHER

Activation Block
---
790,000 = Current block
+ 1008 = 144 blocks per day x 7 days
---
791,008 = Activation Block

It appears that general consensus is to institute an 0.25 XCP Fee on Numerics at block 791,008.

@hodlencoinfield Agreed?

Bla bla

Ya we should stick with the voting xcp poll

Devs?

Yup, from dev chat

poll is somewhat useless

So is xcp, we only want postoffice coin now

lets vote on chain - its costs money then

postoffice coin is a pretty good name

How are they exploiting the protocol. They did what the protocol allowed?

saying exploit is like saying vegan sausage

more of a hack than an exploit

How is it a hack. We have the founder here who literally implemented this change purposely.

Not even

its a hack in the same way using a wooden ladder as a bookshelf is

SRC 20 were more of a hack

Fee was always option if mass use, now mass use yall don't want no fee, I get it, why pay if you don't need to

flooding the market with cheap chinese toys

using Counterparty in a way it's not designed for and just creating spam

agreed

All founders left pretty much, nice to see a return though

They are not cheap though

Can't wait for post office coin

Not for me

especially now

Wen white list?😂😂😂

but the goal is to render xcp useless takeover via fake adoption by bots and suits

Ask mike

who are the suits in this case?

i dont even see how this is possible

how do you render xcp useless?

Lmao they are the ones building the most

Not the goal at all. Also there are no bots in suits whatever that means

For stamps yh

Need to create a series of bots in suits now

who else builing a dex app at this time?

10K pfp!

Makes sense now they have funds after freeloading

utxobots ftw

will make stamps but it won't be credited as stamps as I like to use sub assets :'(

Wen postoffice coin ser?